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Hello,

I'm wondering how Satoshi has managed to remain anonymous. Governments and high-level institutions have expressed interest in knowing his identity, and some have even tried to employ significant resources to find him, as evidenced by certain news reports.

However, Satoshi did use an account on this forum, along with an email address. All connections to this forum logged his IP address/user-agent and other digital traces.

His emails also surfaced during Craig Wright's trial. How is it that the email provider does not have IP and other information? Even behind a VPN, I believe that major institutions have the means to request the real IP from the VPN provider.

I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Forgive me if this topic has been covered or if it seems silly to you, but I am amazed by the myth of Satoshi

Yes, the cybercriminals get caught because they are criminals and they do something which harms others while Satoshi Nakamoto made something that has changed the world and that's why he's still safe from anyone's hands.

Satoshi was a true geek and he knew everything about the privacy, and anonymity, and when he created and released that anonymity and privacy he did it carefully so no one could actually know his true identity. I know that each organization has some predictions about him but no one actually know who Satoshi was.

I totally agree. But Satoshi's technology challenges financial institutions, and I believe they employ the same, if not more, resources to track him as they do to catch criminals. In any case, this story is fascinating.

They won't be able to track him because he hasn't left any trace of his doings. Anyone who's a cypherpunk knows how to doing getting caught and such a person would try each privacy enhancing mechanism to avoid others eyes.

He was truly a genius and that's why I don't think that anyone despite spending millions of dollars will be able to know his true identity. Even many cyber criminals who did wrong are still not caught, those aren't cyperpunks but Satoshi was, so now you should think on it yourself to see the whole picture.

We know that he/they was/were using Tor, shy, cautious, and had enough experience to hide his identity, and what helped Satoshi is that talking about Bitcoin and interest in it began in 2013, 3 years after his disappearance, and it is difficult to find a service that records junk data for 3 years.

It was 2009-2010, not 2024. If Satoshi started Bitcoin today, it would be difficult for him to hide his identity.

I believe Satoshi had all this planned out, that there would be a time when people would like to find out the brain behind the bitcoin creation, however, staying anonymous would be best for him to disappear without a trace.

As it is, nobody or the government has been able to trace who is Satoshi for years. Anybody or organization that comes up with the puzzle of knowing who Satoshi is, has to convince every crypto believer beyond reasonable doubt that he has found who Satoshi is. First of all, let Satoshi sign a message with his wallet(doubt it will ever happen). That evidence alone will be difficult to come by. Even if Satoshi revealed himself to the world tomorrow, people would ask him to do that. For me to do that, he's bringing himself into danger and questioning because bitcoin is meant for one to stay anonymous via his or her identity

I'm not so sure that anyone knows Satoshi's actual IP address, if Satoshi knew what he was doing, and he most likely did, his actual IP address was hidden by many layers of obfuscation, including TOR.

And IP address is not the same as identity. It often links to identity if someone is using the Internet from their home, but if a public WiFi is used, IP won't reveal much,

This is what I also think, of course, as Satoshi will not rashly use the internet from his home to access anything.
And see how in hacker movies like Mr. Robot etc., all their access comes from cafes or public Wi-Fi, or they also use a lot of IP that will change in just a few seconds.

But I don't know how Satoshi could disappear without any trace, he had thought well about it not to leave any marks so he remained anonymous.

He basically knows how to hide his identity unlike most of the users of tor. He probably got that covered even before considering using it as a means to hide his IP. With the way he crafted bitcoin, and based on what others have stated regarding its code, it's pretty evident that Satoshi has a very deep understanding of the internet and computers, so its highly likely that he also knows he's literally untraceable despite being seemingly 'close' to getting discovered by some of his close associates when he was still actively working in bitcoin.

I think and believe that the strength of bitcoin is in satoshi identity and his silence os what have given bitcoin all it current values and position in the cryptocurrency Industry today,  so sure his hidden identity have helped the entire bitcoin ecosystem.

Nonetheless satoshi is just anonymous and since his development have not hurt anyone negatively the government won't be on the look out for satoshi.

All investigations follow clues.

I'm sure that you heard about many murder cases that were never solved and missing people that were never found. Why is that? The answer to that question and the one you asked is the same. There were not enough clues left.

Many suspect that Satoshi died in an accident, so maybe one day this case is solved once and for all.

I know you are curious, but i don't like new posts asking about Satoshi's identity, it has been discussed so many times and should be put to bed by now. Satoshi was very knowledgeable in how to keep his identity hidden and a mystery for a long time, so we as bitcoiners should respect his decision to stay anonymous and forget about it.

If Satoshi is still alive and decides to actively return to the community, then we can ask him questions we have been eager to ask, but until then, let us contribute to BTC in our own way and leave Satoshi's identity be.

When using the internet, interaction occurs between the browser user and the server. But make sure the difference between using a public IP and a local IP.
I don't know how Satoshi actually did it so that until now he has not been revealed.

Rarely does one pay attention to that now as long as the person is comfortable with online activities using the Internet. Another very frequent convenience of using mobile data.

This stuff comes up all the time, to the pleasure and excitement of Theymos no doubt lol, but I forgot how much of this info was in the book Digital Gold.  I read Digital Gold right after "reading" (if you want to call it that) Mastering Bitcoin.  Before ever even thinking about owning any btc (I study too much sometimes).

What's so cool is I was talking to a buddy last night about the book, we just really kinda met in the past few months so talk about a lot of this stuff I talked about years ago with most buddies here..but I realize how little I knew at the time of reading that book. Going back and skimming some pages and highlighting some things to send him to show him some examples of what the book is all about, it discusses all this stuff.  Lot of talk around people I ended up getting to know, getting to chat with, being yelled at (hey Nick Szabo lol) ..just such a fun look back at how little I knew then compared to what I know now.  And becoming buddies with some of these pioneers, and even just having slight interactions ..just so happy to be a tiny speck a part of it.  I think we all are, or at least those who are here for more than just sig money and bountys and whatever else that's money involved.  Sure I'm here for that, but that's secondary.  

Anyways, pick up the book Digital Gold, you wont regret it!  (oh and I always thought Satoshi registered bitcoin.org and that somewhere a company had his real info, but it was Sirius who did that at his request.  Satoshi thought of freaking everyting!)

That's just the truth. He, they knew too well the verdict and decided their fate way earlier than anyone realized what they did (even though it was a good project). Why did SATOSHI suddenly disappear just when everything was set to run for the next decade?
You know what? I always feel he's/they're still at the corner - maybe with different identities entirely..
^{It's a shame that the governments are all out for any project that either grant a user's freedom maintains their privacy.}
TOR onion browser is already a privacy guarantor...enhh, but they could also be curious to know him/them? Unless they didn't even care about the users personality as well.

Satoshi has seen this coming that’s why he’s smart enough to plan all these things ahead in time. And by staying anonymous and out from the spotlight is part of his plan. Regardless of what the government is thinking about him, but the fact that he’s innocent and has not done wrong any criminal act, then there’s no reason that he’ll be force to show publicly. However, thinking if he has remain alive or not, that’s until now is still uncertain.

My best guess is that Satoshi used a pseudonym that is not connected to his original identity along with other documents like email and other accounts that does not directly link to himself. My biggest Q, however, is not how he managed to do it but how he knew that he'd have a target on his back for launching a novel technology like every other founder that has exist before him. Based on how hard it has been to decipher his identity, I'm pretty sure he planned it from the onset and not like it just happened halfway during Bitcoin's launch.

At this point in the game it is in a way a lack of arguments to ask those questions, it is like entering a church and asking why Jesus is on the cross, there is someone who does not know, or perhaps someone wonders, Messi, Michael Jordan, etc. They're the bests players, really, how they did it... (  ;). )

Anyway, one of the intrinsic values of bitcoin is Satoshi's anonymity.

Satoshi Nakamoto new what he wanted. I am writing under the assumption that "he" acted as an individual and not as a "group". Nothing in his email to Hal says that he were a group. If he was, he wouldn't need Hal's help with the Bitcoin code. He would have sorted it out with his team. This is another reason why staying anonymous and disappearing from the scene worked effectively. If they were a team, one team member would have rattled them out for few hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Stop spreading this lie. TOR with default settings doesn't protect anyone from anything. TOR nodes can be easily monitored for traffic, thus de-anonymizing anyone who hasn't set up TOR correctly.

We need to move away from .onion routing and use I2P.

Satoshi's anonymity primarily stems from the fact that people only began to care and search for the identity after the fact. Initially, when it was just an idea or a meme internet currency worth very little, no one paid much attention to the identity. By the time the majority wanted to know more, many clues had already been lost to time. Additionally, Satoshi's privacy knowledge further contributed to maintaining anonymity.

In other words are trying to say that no one can remain anonymous in the Internet now a days again the use of cookies, tracking IP addresses and the use of Google pixels? Though looking back from 2010 till now, a lot of improvement have been put in place for easy navigation of the Internet and even now that we have modern technology like AIs and bots that gives accurate information on the Internet it will really be difficult for one's identity to be completely hidden from others.

There are some very strong suspicious about Satoshi's real identity, I remember time ago I read about it on Reddit and, based on what I read, everything was pointing about an American living (and studying? Don't remember) in Belgium. They compared the way he wrote, the hours he was posting on the forum and on his personal Twitter account (of course not about bitcoin), and other things, and to me it all made sense but of course there is no 100% guarantee that it was him.

It's been decades and there's still no sign of human existence of Satoshi, we pressure he's a man. Satoshi chooses to remain anonymous because he specifically knows the risks involved and have to do everything to ensure calmness ruled his activities in the market. Remember, people can not ruined what they don't know or have a good picture about. Staying anonymous is the best choice for him, keeping him out of the range of the top whales and developed countries.

 ??? :o ??? :o  died??!??

The government does not have any business tracking down Satoshi. He has not done anything illegal that would require the government to track him down, that’s why. They are only curious but that is all there is.


Knowing he’d disappear, he probably took extra steps to conceal his digital track.

Satoshi's probably kept anonymous thanks to solid encryption, Bitcoin's decentralized setup, and their tech smarts.

The answer seems obvious to me. Bitcoin was created as an experiment, and to exploit the creativity of the creative programmers. It was given to us with various caps and restrictions to prevent it ever becoming the dominant payment service in the world. The creators were the central banks and financial elite, and they kept back a million Bitcoin as a security for future manipulation and control, or maybe it was just an investment. The project has been massively successful, and is now being used by the financial organisations for their own purposes. We are lucky to be riding on the tail of this success, and will be able to reap the benefits as it starts to find  its planned level.

The reality is, no one actually knows for sure.  Perhaps Satoshi was a single person, or maybe a group of people working together and  they might've used some pretty sophisticated methods to stay anonymous online, or perhaps they simply got lucky.  Regardless they disappeared like a digital magician.  And that air of mystery is part of Satoshi's whole mystique.  However, don't believe complete online anonymity is truly feasible.  Theres regularly some kind of digital footprint left behind, however faint.

you know? even I sometimes wonder how he is able to hide his identity since 2010, you know that? it's like he really planned what he had to do because the actions and concealment he does are clean. as you mentioned, the other criminals are caught using their IP address, that's because they did something bad so I don't think we should look for Satoshi especially since he didn't do anything bad, it's better if we should let him go if he doesn't want to show up but I believe he's just watching this forum using a different account since now and then.

Satoshi never revealed himself and he has also maintained anonymity till date.Ultimately,there's no real evidence about the identity of bitcoin's creator,whether he'll appear from nowhere and reveal himself to the world still remains unknown to us all.
And there's still no possibility of finding his true identity.
If Bitcoin's creator identity is eventually revealed,it could trigger a lasting change,or withdrawal from users or even lead to furtherance losses.

Although the government and some other investigation/research institution are worried about the disappearance,and its because sato shi has no illegal record or activity that could justify the crimes.
Mind you,satoshi could read all of these threads in the forum and just smile to himself😊I mean that guy was deeply aware and intentional of his actions all along by leaving no traces behind...

Excuse me? Is he wanted? Or do you now know that invasion of privacy is a violation of one’s right? Satoshi is not a criminal group. And I believe that they prepared to be anonymous which makes sense as to why they can’t be found. For a group of people who developed a cryptocurrency without having to copy someone’s idea or codes (like we see with Altcoins today), I believe they are really smart (it’s makes sense that they can’t be traced).

The authority may already know his true identity but decide to keep it secret. Personally, I believe in the "deep state" and they are not always carry ill-intent.

You are aware that everyone who uses I2P has their IP address displayed to all users of the network, right? I'm not sure its actually better than TOR in that regard.


As far as conspiracy theories go, this is probably one of the better ones I ever heard.

Additionally, TOR itself was created by the government, as was SHA-2, so its not entirely a far fetched idea to think that Bitcoin itself is also a product of the government.

I totally agree with SamReomo that Satoshi is a true geek and he knew about privacy and anonymity he probably still alive right now and still watch bitcoin goes up and down but he decided to stay hidden, If I were satotshi Im would do exactly the same like this by watching the world pace forward while keeping the distance I mean there is no really benefit to show up right now and maybe there are people know about this satoshi but they also keep their mouth shut.

Even tho Government has a tool to reveal the satoshi and then what he is not a criminal so why bother ? Right?

You need to read these
I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0)
Should speculation about satoshi's identity be subject to doxxing rules? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488566.0)

The second topic raises an opinion that trying to find identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is like doxing the founder of Bitcoin in my understanding of forum rules.

this was discussed by my lecturer in a lecture where he said that satoshi was impossible to track because he started his project in 2009, which was when internet technology was not as sophisticated as it is today. he explained that satoshi was very skilled in computers and very skilled at hiding his identity on the internet because he was not only good at computers but also at cryptography. therefore, because of this, he will never return to the world of bitcoin, because in the fraction of a second he accesses the device or wallet he has today, his location will be immediately tracked.

I doubt this very conspiracy theory, i believe if the the U.S government knows who Satoshi is, they would have made it public and tried to use it in one way or another to attack BTC and maybe discredit it. I say so because that is what they love to do, just as they are going after BTC through its privacy solutions and privacy enhancing wallets right now, claiming that they are all being used for money laundering.

Satoshi already knew about privacy and anonymity and had been using privacy techniques to safeguard himself.
On top of that, it has been so many years after his disappearance that people started to find him.
Even the logs would have been delted by the time and since he had been using privacy techniques, it made it very difficult for others to get hold of his identity.
He was truly a genius indeed.

i don't like this theory. I prefer to think of Satoshi as the genius that most people say he is.

Or maybe we can apply Occam’s Razor here.

And simply put, he can't really be identified even if we know his ip address, his well known email address, or what time he post here in the community, or if Satoshi is just a single person or group of individuals.

I guess that the main reason why he still anonymous is a few years between his dissepiar and interest in his person. All logs was deleted by that date

Privacy is a significant part of Bitcoin, even though it's not a fully anonymous cryptocurrency. Satoshi seemed to want to stay private, and that person was competent enough to not disclose private information. Perhaps the governments got interested and noticed Satoshi too late, when Satoshi has disappeared, so it wasn't possible to uncover Satoshi's identity. But maybe no authorities were interested enough and resourceful enough at the same time to learn who that person was. Right now, there's probably not enough interest in it, as Satoshi doesn't actively influence any decisions nowadays. Maybe there's a taxation angle, but maybe not, and maybe it's not worth pursuing.

I2P would be a better alternative but it offers very little functionality compared to TOR.

And I would not say that TOR nodes are easily monitored. Otherwise every illegal Dark Web website would be seized by now. The ones that do get seized are because of bad OPSEC in what feels like 99% of the cases.

But either way, it would take government-level resources and pre-planning to track someone on TOR. the government was not looking for Satoshi back then and he is no longer connecting or making connections to his old persona now. If he were to use TOR and identify himself as Satoshi now, then he might get caught.

Yep, there is usually some slip up - no matter how minute - that brings them down. I remember when AlphaBay came back under DeSnake, who was a co-admin of the first AlphaBay, he said he believed that Alexandre Cazes - the founder of AB - was uncovered as a result of "illegal spying" practices and that the government engaged in "parallel construction" of a case that supported their discoveries as a result of the spying. Like, they said they discovered who he was in one way but actually they had "illegally" mined Google or Hotmail data or whatever to figure out who he was.

I just assume the government knows who I am and what I'm doing all the time, and just try not to do things that they might care so much about. Usually what they do care about involves massive amounts of untaxed money, so I'm pretty safe in that regard.

Yes, maybe Satoshi has a higher knowledge of data encryption so he becomes very secretive, unlike criminals who don't do it as well as Satoshi.

Satoshi is not anonymous as other commenters profess to believe.

Satoshi is Craig Wright, didn't you peasents know?

Satoshi has returned, flipped his previous years of maticulious privacy and security measures, and has decided to make a loud bozo out of himself in a courtroom.

Craig is the real satoshi, obviously.

case closed.

Even Satoshi cannot change anything on the bitcoin network without community consensus. The government knows that so they don't want to spend too much time and money hunting him down because that won't help them change anything on the bitcoin network. Only long-time bitcoin investors or maximalist bitcoin investors with their curiosity always want to trace his whereabouts, not too many people are interested in who Satoshi is. If we ask new investors entering the market this year, they certainly will not know who he is and will not care about Satoshi's identity. What they care about is how to make the highest profit when investing in bitcoin.

How sure are you and what prove do you have to show that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto? Though he can come out in another identity but may not also want to make it obvious that he is still around because with the kind of mad technology that is in place now, if anyone brings convincible facts to prove they are Satoshi Nakamoto like bring a solid proof of ownership by signing any of the Bitcoin addresses he used in the past before his disappearance he will not be as smart as before to abscond the government this time around because they will do everything necessary to make sure his true identity in reality is known.

But with the level of creativity and high level of intellectual capacity that Satoshi Nakamoto possess, he can still manipulate his identity to make it difficult for anyone to know his real identity because with the high sensitive technology that have been in existence since satoshi left bitcoin development for over a decade and to see that none have been able to trace his real identity is some kind of misery of the highest.

Another important factor is that those that pursue anonymity often lose it when they want to convert their coins to fiat, so we have seen cases of hackers which got caught as a particular set of coins was linked to their real identity, but Satoshi has never touched his coins, and as long as he decides to keep this policy it will be very difficult to catch him, besides even if security agencies around the world gave their attention to bitcoin back then, it is unlikely they thought it was as big of a deal as it became, so the investigation they did at the time may not have been as comprehensive as we think, and a lot of information which could have been used to identify him has been lost forever.

how can you be so sure? the trial was last month and he turned out to be a liar! he couldn't prove it.
The group’s expert witnesses said they found hallmarks of backdated edits, created or altered using versions of software that did not exist at the time the documents were supposedly made. One document contained traces of the involvement of ChatGPT in its creation, despite the fact that the software did not exist until years after the document was supposedly written.
the original document describing bitcoin had been made using OpenOffice software, while the version provided by Wright had been written using a tool called LaTeX.

Thousands or hundreds of people want to know the figure of Satoshi Nakamoto but to this day his identity is still not revealed to the public. No one knows other than himself how to hide the identity and he managed to become anonymous or even until he died.
Cyber criminals may commit crimes so that they are hunted in various ways, it does not mean that Satoshi Nakamoto is not hunted but he has the ability to hide himself. Let's just say he is dead or has lived in an unhabant debt because discussing his identity will not give any results now.

This kind of topic has been discussed so much, various assumptions were born with their identity, but no one knows its identity now. He is a supernatural man or may be able to disappear in seconds. Who knows?

Please read that again, it's sarcasm and he isn't proving a point with it.  ::)

Anyone with their senses in the right place would know what a clown Craig is and how he has been trying to gain attention and popularity using Satoshi's name and to be honest, he has been quite successful with that, not gonna lie. We have been seeing him and his name everywhere for as long as he started saying that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, and since we have been giving him what he was looking for, it's been a mission successful for him, I guess.  ::)

Anyway, that clown would barely be able to code a "Hello World!" application in Python and still try to prove that he is someone who is one of the smartest people of our era.

I've read that Satoshi used six or seven VPN's in series, every time he emailed. At the time, the NSA wasn't set up to trace things like that, yet. Now that the NSA has been given both, control of the Internet, and much bigger, faster computers, if Satoshi tried it now that way, they just might be able to track him down.

8)

It is impossible to find someone you yourself (secret government services) lost. ;D


Now even those who write the code in the apps (the creators of tornadocash and samurai wallet) are called criminals, accusing them of money laundering, illegal transactions, etc., but we know what the true reason for their persecution is (the fight against confidentiality and privacy). Purely technically, Satoshi can also be accused of such “sins” and this would be a good reason for government organizations to start hunting for him (the legal right to initiate a criminal case allows them to begin searching for and determining his identity closely).
 
There are no perfect crimes actions on the Internet, and Satoshi could have made a mistake somewhere and left clues for his de-anonymization.

I have no qualms about paying my taxes, either. But then again I live in a very good country. Can't say the same of people living under the boot of a dictator like in NK :-X.

What if the people in NK are the free ones and you inside a western democracy are the one enslaved?

Watch this film produced in NK to gain a much wider perspective on this issue: https://www.bitchute.com/video/xVdNPKAoxbp8/

Satoshi Nakamoto, was or is a genius, and before creating Bitcoin, he knew that he was going to disappear and remain anonymous, so from the onset he must have been erasing every tracks that'll reveal his identity. Bitcoin, just like this forum is all about privacy and that is what Satoshi, is all about, and I hope that he's true identity is never revealed, because it'll end this fairytale about who he truly is.

A guy was joking about Satoshi's disappearance, that he probably was a very rich fraudster, who did something good by creating Bitcoin, and going under with his wealth, that it's probably why he didn't want his identity to be known, so that the authorities will not come after him. I told the guy that he's entitled to his opinion, and no matter what anybody thinks about Satoshi Nakamoto, he has created a legacy that'll outlive most of us that are alive today.

I have seen that video already. A bunch of what-aboutism and emotional finger pointing. Of course every country has done something bad in their past, but we need to move past that or remain in a perpetual Quid-Pro-Quo situation, which is counterproductive.

Let me update you... Craig Wright wasn't able to prove he is Satoshi and he lost the case: https://cointelegraph.com/news/uk-court-craig-wright-bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto "UK court rules Craig Wright not Nakamoto, ending long-standing drama" it's ok to be wrong mate, some of us makes mistakes ;)

And answering to OP, there are ways to be anonymous, and one of them is ToR, and it's name say, The Onion Ring is a multiple-layer proxy system, it means you are not only behind 1 proxy, you are behind multiple proxies until the point where tracking becomes impossible. And that's why the deep web still a thing nowadays.

I have two things to say about Satoshi's Privacy and Anonymity.

• Satoshi used the power of preconception: Satoshi did not in the middle of bitcoin project decide to be anonymous. He already thoughtfully strategized how to remain anonymous even before writing a single line of bitcoin code. So, nothing took him unaware. He was prepared from onset.
  
• Satoshi is still using the power of controversy: Even if the real Satoshi surfaces today, he won't be believed easily. So, the more controversy over his identity, the more impossible it is to unvail him.

You can't do much with an IP address. It could be the IP address of a Tor exit node. Or perhaps another pro-anonymity protocol. Or VPN. Or maybe Satoshi just used to go on coffee-shops with free Wi-Fi to code or/and write forum posts. Or a combination of everything mentioned.

He probably just used Tor though. That's the safest approach.

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By the way, Satoshi is not the only person in the cryptographic community who's remained anonymous. Monero's core development team is mostly consisted of anonymous people, like van Saberhagen and thankful_for_today. Today's anonymity protocols probably provide sufficient anonymity.

How do you believe Bitcoin creators don't know how to prevent themselves from being traced by the government or any other agencies? He created Bitcoin, which is truly decentralised; if he can't hide himself from tracing, then the idea of true decentralisation won't be true. Even nowadays, it's hard to identify a person by their IP address when using the public Internet and Tor. Then Satoshi was more intelligent than us. He cares much more about his privacy. I think anyone can't reveal him unless they want to reveal themselves. 

I believe its because he/she/they practiced forward planning right from the first
piece of code! They knew exactly what had to be done.

For someone who could create the entity that is Bitcoin there were added considerations
namely to remain anonymous. Because Bitcoin was going to be disruptive and revolutionary
it was prudent to remain anonymous and to walk away from the project at a certain time.

Everything to date has remained successful for Satoshi.

Wow lot of opinions. I personally believe Satoshi's identity has been carefully planned to remain unknown when he thougth his plans. But we gotta be real and say no one is anonymous online nowadays.
Using 20 VPNs in sequence along with Tor from a cybercafe won't change nothing. If someone really wants to find you and has enough ressources, he will.

So i guess Satoshi's anonymity is partly due to the fact that he was active way before he became known -- and potentially searched --
Also no one wants to engage so much ressources and money just to find him, but with an unlimited amount of money he could probably be found.

I also have same assumptions because immediately he saw that he was becoming a center of attraction he just stopped being active and said he is moving on to other things because if he had continued there is no way he would have stayed till now without his identity being revealed.

Do you really thinks no one is interested to find out who Satoshi Nakamoto was? And you think probably because they don't have enough resources? I don't think so because it could be that the data they would have used in tracing his identity is no longer available.

Maybe the data is no longer available. But it not easy to completely erase data. Formatting an HDD doesn't make data unavailable. Experts can retrieve the data. Satoshi probably knew how to totally destroy data, but it seems strange to me that all the services he relied on, such as the mail provider, or the domain name registrar, have had their data erased in a proper manner.
I remember a documentary showing how specialized unit could retrieve some sensible data from a HDD that had been 0-filled and physically damaged, by rebuilding pieces of pieces of data from magnetic residues, along with forensics investigations. Crazy thing.

Mail provider, domain registrar, web hoster. They probably could retrieve the IP that registered the domain / created the email ... by employing experts into data retrieving and search for days into old HDD.

So i guess with enough ressources it would be possible.

No else because theymos confirmed that Satoshi Nakamoto always used Tor during his active time in the forum and Bitcoin community.

It's indeed a fascinating topic! Satoshi Nakamoto's ability to maintain anonymity despite the immense interest and resources dedicated to uncovering their identity is quite remarkable. There are several factors that may have contributed to this:

1. Technical Savvy: Satoshi was evidently highly skilled in cryptography, computer science, and networking. They were able to develop Bitcoin, a groundbreaking technology, which suggests a deep understanding of anonymity and privacy-enhancing techniques.

2. Operational Security (OpSec): Satoshi took precautions to conceal their identity from the outset. This likely involved using pseudonyms, such as "Satoshi Nakamoto," and employing methods to obfuscate their digital footprint.

3. Decentralized Nature of Bitcoin: Bitcoin operates on a decentralized network, which means there is no central authority controlling it. This decentralization makes it difficult for any single entity to uncover Satoshi's identity by tracing transactions or network activity.

4. Use of Common Tools: While Satoshi did use forums and email to communicate, they may have taken steps to mitigate the risk of identification, such as using generic email providers and possibly masking their IP address through tools like VPNs or Tor.

5. Community Respect for Anonymity: The Bitcoin community has generally respected Satoshi's wish for anonymity. Despite curiosity about their identity, there has been little concerted effort within the community to unveil it.

6. Legal and Jurisdictional Challenges: Even if governments or institutions were interested in unmasking Satoshi, legal and jurisdictional challenges would complicate any investigation. Without clear evidence of wrongdoing, the legal basis for such an investigation may be weak.

It's important to note that while Satoshi's identity remains unknown, their creation, Bitcoin, has become a transformative technology with a vast ecosystem and community built around it. The mystery surrounding Satoshi adds to the allure of Bitcoin and underscores the idea that it truly is a decentralized and global phenomenon.

This is exactly why ChatGPT copy/pasters should be banned from the forum:


Uh, no it does not. The blockchain is a public ledger and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anonymity.


Hah. Members of this forum have spent a combined hundreds or even thousands of hours investigating who Satoshi is or might be.


It's also important to note that any post that ends with the phrase "It's important to note" in the last paragraph means that the post was written by ChatGPT.

Satoshi's identity has not been revealed until now. You can imagine that Satoshi is someone who is such a genius. How could it not be that when Satoshi created Bitcoin, Satoshi was already thinking about hiding his identity and what is very important is the content of Satoshi's thoughts, how will the next generation develop and be able to protect his wallet? Until now, no one has can hack it

Yeah and Satoshi won't be called as the legendary founder if he/she/they just feed us all with his/her/their credentials and identity. He has been active here on this forum then hes gone through silence. I know a lot of people are trying to track the legend but I don't know if they successfully made it but seems impossible as there is no revelation yet. Though some fake guy appeared but cannot provide solid proof of Satoshi. I am also wondering why the heck does Satoshi need to appear if it's appearance would endanger his entire life including his family?

You don't want his identity to be revealed op, but you are asking why his identity is not revealed yet, Satoshi Nakamoto plan everything well because he knew that things like this will come up for people to be seeking the down fall of BTC, which is what many people are looking for to know Satoshi Nakamoto identity. 

I know you want to know some things about Satoshi Nakamoto history, everything you see around Satoshi Nakamoto was well planned to make sure BTC fulfilled her purpose on earth, which is the evidence we are seeing around the world.

All the power is in the hands of Satoshi Nakamoto, to destroy BTC and to make BTC stronger in the world because no governments or countries have the power to control BTC which are some of the foundation Satoshi Nakamoto has lay in BTC for you and i to enjoy the benefits of BTC.

Don't you know that if the identity of SATOSHI is eventually revealed, it is going to affect the price of Bitcoin and other cryptos in the market. He is quite a genius which and he was able to hide his identity so that people would have more confidence in investing in the cryptocurrency market. This has brought huge confidence to the entire market that people are now ready to keep all their investments in Bitcoin because they know that it is going to be profitable for them in a long run.

The fact that governments and high official have looked for all possible means to track Satoshi Nakamoto but haven't been able to reveal his true identity is really amazing.Satoshi Nakamoto knew well to himself that his identity won't be known to the world before the invention of Bitcoin.Satoshi Nakamoto is a man of wisdom,he made the platform a decentralized one and that wasn't enough he remained anonymous.Don't you think if Satoshi Nakamoto reveal himself to the world Bitcoin wouldn't have been till date because the government might tell him to terminate his invention,so his state of anonymity is of our benefit.

will just by hiding your identity the price of bitcoin go down? I don't think that's what Satoshi's goal was, there must be another, more important reason for Satoshi that his identity hasn't been revealed until now. I even thought about the name Satoshi, whether it's a person or a group, maybe the group that created Bitcoin and named the inventor Satoshi, mysterious...

The account wasn't that active for long and most of the posts that he's got came from the original forum before this one, I think it was sourceforge or something like that, he's basically not present for long when this forum was established. The reason why his identity wasn't revealed is probably for the reason that he's smart and he knows how to hide his tracks on the Internet at that time which is pretty easy to do if you know what you're doing. Another reason that I can think of why it's never been revealed is because it's a legacy thing and the people close to Satoshi are probably the right people that respects that legacy and they don't want to reveal who he or she is because they know that once it's revealed, it demystifies everything surrounding the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto which most often what happens to mysteries getting solved.

Forget this, no one will find nakamoto ever again, he isn't a criminal after all, if he was do you think that those fake Nakamoto will come out and pretend to be the original? Who tried to come out in the open and claim that he is a criminal? These fake people are trying so hard to be the real Bitcoin creator because what Nakamoto build is Outstanding.

Satoshi Nakamoto is from the future, he knew how to stay out of sight and leave no traces behinds, criminals are criminals and he isn't one, he created something very useful for the world is all.

Satoshi Nakamoto is the true decentralisation practitioner that I know, if anyone wants to build a decentralisation system on the blockchain or somewhere else, they need to leave no traces behind, just like what Satoshi Nakamoto did, this is thr only way that decentralization can work in this world.

You have to put yourself back into the time when Satoshi was still around, to understand how it was back then. The people working on a new currency, did this in secret.. because governments hunted them to arrest them.

Those guys were not your average script kiddie.  They are experts in Cryptography and they operated on other forums that did not track people and also kept no logs of their actions. (That was before Bitcointalk.org were used)

Satoshi only raised "red" flags.. after he posted the white paper and when it became evident to the 3letter agencies that he was succesful with his attempt to replace Fiat currencies.

The general public still don’t have that information but somehow I believe the US government already knows everything about him. The thing is, sharing that info with us won’t benefit them (for now) so they are keeping it secret. The gov owns all the domains and the internet infrastructure. It is impossible to stay anonymous against the gov forever.

Maybe one day we will learn who satoshi was but when that day comes, they’ll do that to achieve something else. Maybe create panic in the markets? Destroy bitcoin? Dump and pump? I don’t know, but something important will take place when it happens.

do you think they also got Satoshi's stash?

i have to believe if the US government knew him already then he could be under their watch all the time or he must have been detained underground already or buried under the desert. for the US  government, the world is just too small not to see everyone actually. the world is just like their small village with 7 houses.

But I want to ask you, what is the purpose of the United States government burying him underground or keeping him in the darkest places on earth? Why do they do it when it doesn't benefit them? We should stop under the illusion that the US government is urgently hunting him down or will torture and execute him if Satoshi's true identity is discovered. Because that brings no benefit and changes nothing for bitcoin. Satoshi does not control bitcoin and bitcoin is controlled by the community, so whether there is Satoshi or not, bitcoin will still operate in a decentralized.

We are people who like to imagine, like to come up with thrilling theories like crime movies, we have no evidence that the US government is hunting to convict him.

it is their right to employ someone to track Satoshi but like what said in your quoted post , Satoshi done nothing for them to treat as criminal unless they will put wrong charges against him/her.
but for me? the man is clear and should not be hunted and i also believe that Satoshi's creation will be thankful from generation in the future.

Internet Cafes were very popular in 2008. I remember that local internet cafes had no security cameras, were pretty expensive, the local government didn't have knowledgeable IT staff and I believe it would be super easy to be anonymous in 2008 than it is today.
It was just the right time and the right place for him to create a successful cryptocurrency and remain anonymous but it's really impressive that things stayed unknown for such a long period of time.

I think they don't know who Satoshi is or if they know they killed him or an unpopular opinion, the US agencies created Bitcoin.
I personally think that Satoshi wasn't wanted years ago, governments didn't really care about who created Bitcoin, and it only became mainstream and popular in 2016. Till 2016, satoshi had 8 years of unpopularity. No one keeps logs for 8 years, especially in 2008 when the internet was a new thing and the web wasn't as advanced as it is today, so I think that if we summarize all the services he used, most of his logs aren't kept and what's kept isn't enough to reveal his identity.

I think that Satoshi is the most self-disciplined guy. He didn't use his Bitcoins, never made a transaction and never took a single cent from the millions of dollars that his wallet keeps. He also never came back to the forum and he probably doesn't talk about Bitcoin in public and with his friends but to be fair, that's impossible too. Someone would have known his interest and expressions in cryptography and he shouldn't be able to hide it today when cryptocurrencies are mainstream. While I want him to be alive and to know who he is, my brain tells me that he is dead and that's why things are kept as secret till this day and forever.

You never know how much wealth I have accumulated as long as I never tell you, that's the logic. As long as he never tells anyone that he is Satoshi, his identity remains safe and he will remain anonymous. Satoshi had predicted that the worst would happen because he had opposed the financial system that had been set up by the state to enslave its people, he would not leave the slightest trace that could reveal his identity. Time flies so fast, Bitcoin has existed for more than a decade, so don't ever worry about Satoshi's safety because so far no one has been able to find Satoshi's real identity, including the FBI or other intelligence services.

I don't know all that. I don't even know if they really know satoshi's identity. I am just making an educated guess. The chances are they know it because their power has no limits compared to a single individual no matter how smart that individual is.


satoshi owns 1 million btc. If those coins move, it will be catastrophic.

We all think and act like satoshi's coins aren't there. Like they are lost coins. If they move, we'll know then somebody can dump it on the markets. People will panic sell. Bitcoin might not recover from it again. 1 million coins we are talking about here. The devs will have to do a hard fork to prevent this probably and forge a new chain where satoshi blocks don't exist.

Even if the main dev team (core) don't do it, some miners can form a minority chain like how they did it with bcash years ago. Either way it won't be good. Again it will create another war.

Team 1: We are betrayed, satoshi  betrayed us!!!
Team 2: This is the original chain, satoshi has to eat as much as anybodie!!

If BTC drops down to $1000, some people will buy the dip.

On the other hand, tons of miners will be forced out of business... maybe GPU mining will become profitable again, who knows.

Bitcoin has been a decentralized digital currency built in a non-custodian blockchain invariably, the reveal of Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be invalid just as we all the Bitcoin enthusiasts identities are not necessarily needed to the awareness of the public that we are Bitcoin investors.

Satoshi is like a goddess who travelled afar beyond the future, saw what was coming out of it as global inflations rocking nations after after and then he came up with the development of Bitcoin which at its launch and adoptions, it indeed really was what it was intended to be.

The government should really have to embrace the financial digital technology of Bitcoin invention because it has at all points provided measures to manage their financial regulatory system Such as financial transactions and also the fact that the financial digital technology having the potnetials that can productively provide incomes to which could confront the crisis of a global economy. Do with the above categorized, Bitcoin has come to live and conquering those loopholes financial related payments and transactions.

With all hands being on deck to Bitcoin Blockchains, all Bitcoin transactions is based on track living those  cyber fraudsters where to hide.
Hence.... Satoshi did not come with the ideo of Bitcoin development for his self interests of growing rich but to rescue the world from poverty and having the globe alternative means of payments as the central financial banks are full of excuses of ineligible procession of financial transactions.

You can watch this video about Satoshi's identity.  ;)


https://youtu.be/RIix6gEd5_Q?si=d0LKH7fO4jIH89ix

Chasing Satoshi Nakamoto, finding Satoshi  Nakamoto's identity and sharing it are activities that against forum rules.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)

If Satoshi used an account on this forum, do you expect the forum to share his IP with the authorities? That would be a terrible thing if the forum administrator do such. I don't even think that Satoshi left a relevant IP address is everything he did online. His IP address on the forum might not really come from his original location since he is a genius, he can travel to a different location to do his business and if you go to those location you might not even find any clues about him.

Yeah, I heard they even paid in cash. Where can I find this book?

Domain Name: bitcoin.org
Registry Domain ID: 95f8bd6f31564abd9c35804710ed58fe-LROR
Registrar IANA ID: 1068

Domain Name Systems have an interesting history.

   Addresses were assigned manually. Computers, including their hostnames and addresses, were added to the primary file by contacting the SRI Network Information Center (NIC), directed by Feinler, during business hours. Later, Feinler set up a WHOIS directory on a server in the NIC for retrieval of information about resources, contacts, and entities. She and her team developed the concept of domains. Feinler suggested that domains should be based on the location of the physical address of the computer. Computers at educational institutions would have the domain .edu, for example. She and her team managed the Host Naming Registry from 1972 to 1989. (Wikipedia)

I am not sure when or if ICANN made KYC mandatory for domain registration procedures. If I am not mistaken, the specific requirements for domain name registration, including any regulations related to civil ID, may vary depending on the country or registry operator.

Regarding properly securing our personal privacy, it’s worth looking at the work of Cynthia Dwork, the mother of the proof-of-work concept used to combat email spam in the early 90s (!?)

The last time I heard about Cynthia Dwork, she was a distinguished scientist at Microsoft Research. I heard her research on differential privacy is mostly used for protecting privacy in medical records, HIPAA regulations, etc.

That’s a proper “Proof-of-Dwork” ;D

Satoshi had everything covered in terms of privacy & its pretty remarkable that someone could make something so large and wildly successful and never be present to take credit for anything. Surely satoshi is such a popular character amongst bitcoiners and crypto folk - but he is basically considered I want to say nearly an enemy or a threat to governments and financial institutions. So it's no wonder that you don't see him anywhere. Satoshi was wise and knew that if they revealed themselves they could have been subject to foul play - surely death threats & maybe even torture!? Who knows, there are a lot of bad people out there & powerful ones at that that could do whatever they wished probably without getting caught. At least that is my take and the reason I think he wanted to keep his identity a secret, one main one at least. 

I feel the same way.  But clearly it isn't a rule that's ever enforced.  Which is a shame.

People wouldn't like it if the internet shined a spotlight on them and tried to invade their privacy in such a fashion.  But hardly any of them recognise the double-standard.  

How does it help if you know his identity?

I guess Satoshi has seen this coming already that’s why he had prepared for this prior to his decision of going out of the spotlight and stay anonymous. So even if the smartest intelligence team will search for him using the most advanced strategy, he will never be traced nor found. His masterpiece is to stay anonymous no matter what, so he will do everything not to be known and reveal his true identity. Otherwise, if he is just doing this without long term planning and preparation, he might be traced already before bitcoin reaches a decade.

Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin which gave anonymity to it's user, with that in mind do you think the person(s) behind the pseudonym couldn't provide it for itself?
Criminals got caught because of their mistake, and I think Satoshi didn't make any mistake that could reveal the true identity behind the pseudonym, maybe that is also the reason why Satoshi decided to leave after successfully creating Bitcoin.

One of first topics of forum was deleted because it has address and real name of Satoshi Nakamoto. theymos said this but did not say theymos deleted it and when that topic was deleted so maybe Satoshi Nakamoto deleted that topic.

I think it gone forever.

The same way it helps knowing who killed JFK, and where Jimmy Hoffa's body is.