How has Satoshi's identity never been revealed ?

[Marvell1]

The general public still don’t have that information but somehow I believe the US government already knows everything about him. The thing is, sharing that info with us won’t benefit them (for now) so they are keeping it secret. The gov owns all the domains and the internet infrastructure. It is impossible to stay anonymous against the gov forever.

Maybe one day we will learn who satoshi was but when that day comes, they’ll do that to achieve something else. Maybe create panic in the markets? Destroy bitcoin? Dump and pump? I don’t know, but something important will take place when it happens.

do you think they also got Satoshi's stash?

i have to believe if the US government knew him already then he could be under their watch all the time or he must have been detained underground already or buried under the desert. for the US  government, the world is just too small not to see everyone actually. the world is just like their small village with 7 houses.

But I want to ask you, what is the purpose of the United States government burying him underground or keeping him in the darkest places on earth? Why do they do it when it doesn't benefit them? We should stop under the illusion that the US government is urgently hunting him down or will torture and execute him if Satoshi's true identity is discovered. Because that brings no benefit and changes nothing for bitcoin. Satoshi does not control bitcoin and bitcoin is controlled by the community, so whether there is Satoshi or not, bitcoin will still operate in a decentralized.

We are people who like to imagine, like to come up with thrilling theories like crime movies, we have no evidence that the US government is hunting to convict him.

[bitterguy28]

Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Yes, the cybercriminals get caught because they are criminals and they do something which harms others while Satoshi Nakamoto made something that has changed the world and that's why he's still safe from anyone's hands.

I totally agree. But Satoshi's technology challenges financial institutions, and I believe they employ the same, if not more, resources to track him as they do to catch criminals. In any case, this story is fascinating.

it is their right to employ someone to track Satoshi but like what said in your quoted post , Satoshi done nothing for them to treat as criminal unless they will put wrong charges against him/her.
but for me? the man is clear and should not be hunted and i also believe that Satoshi's creation will be thankful from generation in the future.

[shield132]

However, Satoshi did use an account on this forum, along with an email address. All connections to this forum logged his IP address/user-agent and other digital traces.

You can't do much with an IP address. It could be the IP address of a Tor exit node. Or perhaps another pro-anonymity protocol. Or VPN. Or maybe Satoshi just used to go on coffee-shops with free Wi-Fi to code or/and write forum posts. Or a combination of everything mentioned.

He probably just used Tor though. That's the safest approach.


By the way, Satoshi is not the only person in the cryptographic community who's remained anonymous. Monero's core development team is mostly consisted of anonymous people, like van Saberhagen and thankful_for_today. Today's anonymity protocols probably provide sufficient anonymity.

Internet Cafes were very popular in 2008. I remember that local internet cafes had no security cameras, were pretty expensive, the local government didn't have knowledgeable IT staff and I believe it would be super easy to be anonymous in 2008 than it is today.
It was just the right time and the right place for him to create a successful cryptocurrency and remain anonymous but it's really impressive that things stayed unknown for such a long period of time.

The general public still don’t have that information but somehow I believe the US government already knows everything about him. The thing is, sharing that info with us won’t benefit them (for now) so they are keeping it secret. The gov owns all the domains and the internet infrastructure. It is impossible to stay anonymous against the gov forever.

Maybe one day we will learn who Satoshi was but when that day comes, they’ll do that to achieve something else. Maybe create panic in the markets? Destroy bitcoin? Dump and pump? I don’t know, but something important will take place when it happens.

I think they don't know who Satoshi is or if they know they killed him or an unpopular opinion, the US agencies created Bitcoin.
I personally think that Satoshi wasn't wanted years ago, governments didn't really care about who created Bitcoin, and it only became mainstream and popular in 2016. Till 2016, satoshi had 8 years of unpopularity. No one keeps logs for 8 years, especially in 2008 when the internet was a new thing and the web wasn't as advanced as it is today, so I think that if we summarize all the services he used, most of his logs aren't kept and what's kept isn't enough to reveal his identity.

I think that Satoshi is the most self-disciplined guy. He didn't use his Bitcoins, never made a transaction and never took a single cent from the millions of dollars that his wallet keeps. He also never came back to the forum and he probably doesn't talk about Bitcoin in public and with his friends but to be fair, that's impossible too. Someone would have known his interest and expressions in cryptography and he shouldn't be able to hide it today when cryptocurrencies are mainstream. While I want him to be alive and to know who he is, my brain tells me that he is dead and that's why things are kept as secret till this day and forever.

[Razmirraz]

You never know how much wealth I have accumulated as long as I never tell you, that's the logic. As long as he never tells anyone that he is Satoshi, his identity remains safe and he will remain anonymous. Satoshi had predicted that the worst would happen because he had opposed the financial system that had been set up by the state to enslave its people, he would not leave the slightest trace that could reveal his identity. Time flies so fast, Bitcoin has existed for more than a decade, so don't ever worry about Satoshi's safety because so far no one has been able to find Satoshi's real identity, including the FBI or other intelligence services.

[mindrust]

do you think they also got Satoshi's stash?

i have to believe if the US government knew him already then he could be under their watch all the time or he must have been detained underground already or buried under the desert. for the US  government, the world is just too small not to see everyone actually. the world is just like their small village with 7 houses.

I don't know all that. I don't even know if they really know satoshi's identity. I am just making an educated guess. The chances are they know it because their power has no limits compared to a single individual no matter how smart that individual is.

Satoshi does not control bitcoin and bitcoin is controlled by the community, so whether there is Satoshi or not, bitcoin will still operate in a decentralized.

satoshi owns 1 million btc. If those coins move, it will be catastrophic.

We all think and act like satoshi's coins aren't there. Like they are lost coins. If they move, we'll know then somebody can dump it on the markets. People will panic sell. Bitcoin might not recover from it again. 1 million coins we are talking about here. The devs will have to do a hard fork to prevent this probably and forge a new chain where satoshi blocks don't exist.

Even if the main dev team (core) don't do it, some miners can form a minority chain like how they did it with bcash years ago. Either way it won't be good. Again it will create another war.

Team 1: We are betrayed, satoshi  betrayed us!!!
Team 2: This is the original chain, satoshi has to eat as much as anybodie!!

[cryptosize]

do you think they also got Satoshi's stash?

i have to believe if the US government knew him already then he could be under their watch all the time or he must have been detained underground already or buried under the desert. for the US  government, the world is just too small not to see everyone actually. the world is just like their small village with 7 houses.

I don't know all that. I don't even know if they really know satoshi's identity. I am just making an educated guess. The chances are they know it because their power has no limits compared to a single individual no matter how smart that individual is.

Satoshi does not control bitcoin and bitcoin is controlled by the community, so whether there is Satoshi or not, bitcoin will still operate in a decentralized.

satoshi owns 1 million btc. If those coins move, it will be catastrophic.

We all think and act like satoshi's coins aren't there. Like they are lost coins. If they move, we'll know then somebody can dump it on the markets. People will panic sell. Bitcoin might not recover from it again. 1 million coins we are talking about here. The devs will have to do a hard fork to prevent this probably and forge a new chain where satoshi blocks don't exist.

Even if the main dev team (core) don't do it, some miners can form a minority chain like how they did it with bcash years ago. Either way it won't be good. Again it will create another war.

Team 1: We are betrayed, satoshi  betrayed us!!!
Team 2: This is the original chain, satoshi has to eat as much as anybodie!!

If BTC drops down to $1000, some people will buy the dip.

On the other hand, tons of miners will be forced out of business... maybe GPU mining will become profitable again, who knows.

[EluguHcman]

Bitcoin has been a decentralized digital currency built in a non-custodian blockchain invariably, the reveal of Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be invalid just as we all the Bitcoin enthusiasts identities are not necessarily needed to the awareness of the public that we are Bitcoin investors.

Satoshi is like a goddess who travelled afar beyond the future, saw what was coming out of it as global inflations rocking nations after after and then he came up with the development of Bitcoin which at its launch and adoptions, it indeed really was what it was intended to be.

The government should really have to embrace the financial digital technology of Bitcoin invention because it has at all points provided measures to manage their financial regulatory system Such as financial transactions and also the fact that the financial digital technology having the potnetials that can productively provide incomes to which could confront the crisis of a global economy. Do with the above categorized, Bitcoin has come to live and conquering those loopholes financial related payments and transactions.

With all hands being on deck to Bitcoin Blockchains, all Bitcoin transactions is based on track living those  cyber fraudsters where to hide.
Hence.... Satoshi did not come with the ideo of Bitcoin development for his self interests of growing rich but to rescue the world from poverty and having the globe alternative means of payments as the central financial banks are full of excuses of ineligible procession of financial transactions.

[anna_20]

You can watch this video about Satoshi's identity. 


https://youtu.be/RIix6gEd5_Q?si=d0LKH7fO4jIH89ix

[SilverCryptoBullet]

Chasing Satoshi Nakamoto, finding Satoshi  Nakamoto's identity and sharing it are activities that against forum rules.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

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1. Personal information must be confined to the new "investigations" board (under Scam Accusations), which is only visible to Members and above. Personal information is defined as anything which links a user's online identity (username, email, etc.) to their meatspace identity, excluding links that the person himself has posted. It is not allowed to post somebody's personal information in any other public place, including in signatures.
2. It is not allowed to post someone's dox if it is especially obvious that you're just using the dox as a weapon. For example, if there are no remotely-plausible trade complaints, then the person can't be a scammer, and their dox should not be posted.
3. As before, anything that the legacy insecure government/banking system requires to be secret is not allowed anywhere. This includes social security numbers, credit card numbers, and certain account numbers.
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[Mrbluntzy]

However, Satoshi did use an account on this forum, along with an email address. All connections to this forum logged his IP address/user-agent and other digital traces.

I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

If Satoshi used an account on this forum, do you expect the forum to share his IP with the authorities? That would be a terrible thing if the forum administrator do such. I don't even think that Satoshi left a relevant IP address is everything he did online. His IP address on the forum might not really come from his original location since he is a genius, he can travel to a different location to do his business and if you go to those location you might not even find any clues about him.

[B1-66ER]

Anyways, pick up the book Digital Gold, you wont regret it!  (oh and I always thought Satoshi registered bitcoin.org and that somewhere a company had his real info, but it was Sirius who did that at his request.  Satoshi thought of freaking everyting!)

Yeah, I heard they even paid in cash. Where can I find this book?

Domain Name: bitcoin.org
Registry Domain ID: 95f8bd6f31564abd9c35804710ed58fe-LROR
Registrar IANA ID: 1068

Domain Name Systems have an interesting history.

   Addresses were assigned manually. Computers, including their hostnames and addresses, were added to the primary file by contacting the SRI Network Information Center (NIC), directed by Feinler, during business hours. Later, Feinler set up a WHOIS directory on a server in the NIC for retrieval of information about resources, contacts, and entities. She and her team developed the concept of domains. Feinler suggested that domains should be based on the location of the physical address of the computer. Computers at educational institutions would have the domain .edu, for example. She and her team managed the Host Naming Registry from 1972 to 1989. (Wikipedia)

I am not sure when or if ICANN made KYC mandatory for domain registration procedures. If I am not mistaken, the specific requirements for domain name registration, including any regulations related to civil ID, may vary depending on the country or registry operator.

Regarding properly securing our personal privacy, it’s worth looking at the work of Cynthia Dwork, the mother of the proof-of-work concept used to combat email spam in the early 90s (!?)

The last time I heard about Cynthia Dwork, she was a distinguished scientist at Microsoft Research. I heard her research on differential privacy is mostly used for protecting privacy in medical records, HIPAA regulations, etc.

That’s a proper “Proof-of-Dwork”

[tread93]

I'm not so sure that anyone knows Satoshi's actual IP address, if Satoshi knew what he was doing, and he most likely did, his actual IP address was hidden by many layers of obfuscation, including TOR.

And IP address is not the same as identity. It often links to identity if someone is using the Internet from their home, but if a public WiFi is used, IP won't reveal much,

Satoshi had everything covered in terms of privacy & its pretty remarkable that someone could make something so large and wildly successful and never be present to take credit for anything. Surely satoshi is such a popular character amongst bitcoiners and crypto folk - but he is basically considered I want to say nearly an enemy or a threat to governments and financial institutions. So it's no wonder that you don't see him anywhere. Satoshi was wise and knew that if they revealed themselves they could have been subject to foul play - surely death threats & maybe even torture!? Who knows, there are a lot of bad people out there & powerful ones at that that could do whatever they wished probably without getting caught. At least that is my take and the reason I think he wanted to keep his identity a secret, one main one at least. 

[DooMAD]

Chasing Satoshi Nakamoto, finding Satoshi  Nakamoto's identity and sharing it are activities that against forum rules.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

1. Personal information must be confined to the new "investigations" board (under Scam Accusations), which is only visible to Members and above. Personal information is defined as anything which links a user's online identity (username, email, etc.) to their meatspace identity, excluding links that the person himself has posted. It is not allowed to post somebody's personal information in any other public place, including in signatures.

I feel the same way.  But clearly it isn't a rule that's ever enforced.  Which is a shame.

People wouldn't like it if the internet shined a spotlight on them and tried to invade their privacy in such a fashion.  But hardly any of them recognise the double-standard.  

[martocsan]

How does it help if you know his identity?

[mirakal]

You never know how much wealth I have accumulated as long as I never tell you, that's the logic. As long as he never tells anyone that he is Satoshi, his identity remains safe and he will remain anonymous. Satoshi had predicted that the worst would happen because he had opposed the financial system that had been set up by the state to enslave its people, he would not leave the slightest trace that could reveal his identity. Time flies so fast, Bitcoin has existed for more than a decade, so don't ever worry about Satoshi's safety because so far no one has been able to find Satoshi's real identity, including the FBI or other intelligence services.

I guess Satoshi has seen this coming already that’s why he had prepared for this prior to his decision of going out of the spotlight and stay anonymous. So even if the smartest intelligence team will search for him using the most advanced strategy, he will never be traced nor found. His masterpiece is to stay anonymous no matter what, so he will do everything not to be known and reveal his true identity. Otherwise, if he is just doing this without long term planning and preparation, he might be traced already before bitcoin reaches a decade.

[GideonGono]

Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin which gave anonymity to it's user, with that in mind do you think the person(s) behind the pseudonym couldn't provide it for itself?
Criminals got caught because of their mistake, and I think Satoshi didn't make any mistake that could reveal the true identity behind the pseudonym, maybe that is also the reason why Satoshi decided to leave after successfully creating Bitcoin.

[SilverCryptoBullet]

I feel the same way.  But clearly it isn't a rule that's ever enforced.  Which is a shame.

People wouldn't like it if the internet shined a spotlight on them and tried to invade their privacy in such a fashion.  But hardly any of them recognise the double-standard.  

One of first topics of forum was deleted because it has address and real name of Satoshi Nakamoto. theymos said this but did not say theymos deleted it and when that topic was deleted so maybe Satoshi Nakamoto deleted that topic.

I think it gone forever.

[nutildah]

How does it help if you know his identity?

The same way it helps knowing who killed JFK, and where Jimmy Hoffa's body is.