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Most casinos nowadays don't let you do the KYC process until they request it, this means you will not get KYCed unless a lot of money or fraud is involved, but it would be nice if users could do the KYC process before deciding if to deposit or not.

Well, this time i have 3 questions for the community, i want to see what people think about how gambling works nowadays.

If you could do KYC process before making a deposit, would you do it?

When a user wins a huge amount the real nightmare starts, the users have to complete the worst KYC process he will see in his life, so, should users be afraid of getting a Max Win?

Casinos ask for KYC to avoid money laundering, but if the gambler isn't able to give the requested data then the casino keeps the money. If the casino keeps the money isn't that Money laundering?

There is a relatively simple way out of this problem. You should not play in those casinos that are centralized organizations and pay out winnings in fiat. Nowadays, web3 casinos that pay out winnings in fiat are gradually becoming more widespread. In addition, many organizations position themselves as decentralized organizations. There are also sites that cannot be called a casino in the full sense of the word, but which do not require CUS and where the game is not against the casino, but against other users. For example, the Polymarket.io platform.
 In general, winning a large sum should bring us joy, not problems.

People run away from a casino that asked KYC right after registration. What they want is no KYC and only ask KYC if they have the amount too big the casino has to require.

I think the gamblers are okay just playing minimum balance as long as they will not submit KYC. But if they win big and there is a reason to submit, they wouldn't mind sending documents.

As it is not, because I realize that it is impossible to reach maxwin if only a small deposit is not in a large amount, it will be very far to get the Maxwin Jackpot.

The user should not be afraid of what the casino asks about KYC as long as he gets his right as a max win, and the win is legitimate no accusations that the casino accuses the user of other reasons.

But right in the KYC casino there are various levels if I'm not mistaken up to Level 1 and 3 or up to Level 5, well that's the KYC process that I don't know, does it provide documents, passports, bills and video verification? Because surely the casino will ask you to do a high level of KYC verification.

Maybe we can assume that, but the casino has a basis for holding our winning money, it can't even be called money laundering if the casino holds it.

1. Based on the amount that I am capable or willing to lose in gambling, I don't think I need to accomplish a KYC verification. Not unless otherwise if the casino asked for it before you can make a deposit.

2. Depends on the casino, but as far as I am aware of, KYC process during a max win would be quite different than the normal KYC process when the casino asked you to do so before making a deposit. There might a little too personal questions they will ask, which will be annoying and bothering at the same time, especially with us who choose to gamble in crypto because we need privacy or anonymity.

3. Basically, yes, but they set that rule, so they have the authority to hold that money. If they refuse to release it even after complying all the KYC requirements, then that would a whole different story worse than just laundering.

For me as a customer, yes. It's fine as long as I am aware and confident that the data is safe for the casino itself.
Another thing is I think why some casinos don't do it at the beginning is because of User Experience or Customer Onboarding, the more easy at beginning , the more user they will get will us the platform. That's why most of casinos I experience is KYC is not at beginning.

No, and most people do will do same like me. People will say "why I need to submit KYC to brand new casino without any reputation yet?"

Even the casino is big, they would still argue "I had withdraw big amount and I don't have to submit KYC, why I need to verify my account?"

Nope, most gamblers are trying to hit max win, if the casino ask so many KYC process, they will do it until they get the money.

Nope, because there's double standard.

If you hold "tainted coins" you're a criminal.
But if SEC, government or any centralized sites that working with government hold "tainted coins" they're not a criminal.

So far I have not done any KYC at crypto casinos, nor do I think I will.


This smells bad to me, and differs from the fiat casinos I have played at in that either you have to do the KYC before betting a single cent of real money or they let you bet a small amount but then you have to pass the KYC or they block your account and you can't continue betting until you pass it.

Why the hell wouldn't you be able to pass the KYC from the beginning?



It should not be like that, nowadays KYC is easy to pass both in casinos and financial institutions in a matter of seconds with your passport and taking selfies or videos.


That way of proceeding sounds more like a covert scam to me (not letting you do the KYC from the beginning, waiting until you have a big win and taking a long time to verify it).

with what is happening in the gambling market now in crypto world? and with so much issue about KYC being used to abuse the system either the player or the casino?
I think it is better to do KYC first before even dealing with the said site for less inconvenience .


and the sad part is that not just the KYC but in this the gambling site will show its true color to not wanting to pay the winner with that huge win.


this intrigue me , looking for other answer about this question as it is valid.

In my situation, i'll still go through without KYC and my reasoning is similar to the posts above. I've been playing with smaller bankrolls for the most part, and hitting the winning threshold for KYC is very low. In one of the casinos i've played, I remember they mentioned it being around $10k~ in one go or something close to it. Even if the casino has a lower max win that would trigger my account to go through KYC, my decision will remain the same.

I'd rather deal with the KYC situation once I have no choice because completing it in advance still has its downside, what if that max win doesn't come at all?

Yes. I am one of those people who if given the opportunity would do the KYC process before a big win. I have seen how stressful it and it threw me off balance one time when I won big and casino asked for KYC before withdrawal. It took about three days to sort it out which eventually was sorted out.

Why I learned from that lesson is to always have the KYC documents handy so that you don have to experience the nightmare of it. Your valid ID, utility bill or something that's up to date etc.

No it's not money laundering. The money remains in your account until you have sorted out your KYC . The only absurd the money into the system if you don't do anything or leave the account dormant for a 12 months period.
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All of this questions could've been avoided if you ask me just by doing your research first regarding the casino that you want to play to, finding out their KYC policy, if their support is responsive and helpful most of the time or all of the time, that would've been the way to go with these questions, then you wouldn't have the headache of experiencing all of this because you've done your research. I don't know what to answer about the last one though, that's something that casino owners/management will have to talk to you about. On your first question though, I'd say that I'd do it and if I did my research on their casino, it won't be a question no more, on the second question, I'd say that you shouldn't be afraid of getting that max win, long as you comply and you did good, you are on the right and if they don't hold their end of the bargain, you're probably going to get more when you sue them.

No, I wouldn't do KYC anymore because I'm no longer comfortable doing it. There are still other casinos that don't require KYC before depositing.


If ever I win a huge amount and I know it's in their Terms & Conditions that I need to undergo KYC before playing on their platform, like when you reach the max withdrawal limit within the timeframe, I'll do it. So we should only play on reputable casinos.

For some, it's a red flag when a casino withholds winnings due to a failed KYC for suspicious reasons, and it could seem unjust. But could this be considered money laundering? It involves processing illegally obtained money through transactions to make it appear legal. Isn't it that in this case, the casino is simply retaining the money because the gambler failed to comply with the KYC requirements?

1.A user bets 100 USD and wins 50K USD, but the casino asks for KYC and other documents, so that the gambler could prove that those 100 USD aren't laundered money and are totally legit and clean money with all taxes being paid. ;D Sounds like a joke to me, but it's true.
Who is going to prove that the 49.9K USD won by the gambler aren't laundered money? ;D

2.Is it money laundering, when the casino blocks the gambler's account and keeps the money? No, it's a scam.

3.I wouldn't mind doing KYC before making a deposit, but the problem for the casinos is this. When a casino demands KYC before making a deposit, this will lead to many gamblers running away and choosing other casinos, where KYC is required before the withdrawal, not before the deposit.

If I am using a reputable site (that has a valid license) of course yes. I don't see nothing wrong with this request.

No I don't think so. But it's always the same "mantra". It's a must use only reputable gambling site to avoid any future issue.
Even the worst KYC can be followed if there is a reputable site behind. A trick that I have learned: always track the way you receive btc if you want to easily pass a KYC ;)

They are not hiding money but they are just adopting the rules of their ToS and license.
I think that real cases of money seized (by mistake) are very few... here in scam accusation I have seen just few "real" cases in many years.

It is not money laundering when the casino keep the money, it is basically just fraudulant behaviour, masked as legitimate procedure.

A lot of these casinos are just scams, but you find that legitimate casinos does this too. They even ban players if they win too much money.

"Mickey" a high stakes gambler, won $11.5 million gambling one night in Las Vegas. Soon after that, he was banned from nearly every casino there. for making too much money.

Because it depends on the casino how stable its reputation is, like Stakes, Rollbit, Betcoin, Livecasino, and others, that will last a long time in the crypto space that we are in. Because it is similar to the above, there is no problem for me to submit KYC immediately.

Because it's really good that you submit KYC right away, at least if the opportunity comes for you to withdraw a large amount of money because you won a large amount at the casino, you won't have any problems because you have a verified account with them.

Not only fraud or winning huge amount of money would be the only time that KYC will be required from the casino or gambling site, even if you win small amount of money, they will require you to do KYC. Most casinos nowadays require KYC if you check their ToS.

It is available in the casinos. I will first read the casino rules about KYC, if KYC is mandatory, I do it before I will deposit.

No one cares about KYC when they win huge amount of money. No one is afraid of success if the max win is huge. They will go for KYC.

It is not money laundering. If the government is not involved, the casino will have the money which is a theft in my opinion.

I would agree that requiring KYC while not giving a user a chance to complete it in a fair manner in prior to winning anything is very unfair.
If a casino is reasonable it should ask at least some basic form of KYC earlier at the sign up process and also optionally give the user a chance to complete KYC fully before even winning any large amount.

Think about it. Most stock brokers ask for a full verification even before they allow you to deposit 1 dollar. Why can't casinos allow the same at least optionally especially if they're going to ask these documents at a later stage for large winners? For sure this would make me suspicious and hearing about such stories from a casino's players often would make me never want to deposit large amounts to play there. It's a very easy problem to fix and the fact that it keeps coming up is just sad at this point.

I am never afraid of hitting the max win as I always do at least level 2 KYC so I have the limit of 10.000 to 50.000 dollars depending on the casino,nowadays most of them offer that 50.000 dollars level.So it is better to do the KYC and after you have done it the best thing that can happen to you is exactly a max win and not the worse thing,so it all depends from what perspective you look at something,yet I insist hitting the max win is the best thing that can happen to a gambler.

No because I prefer to be anonymous as long as possible when it comes to gambling.

It should not be a nightmare if the user play in reputable casino so user no need to be afraid of getting huge win or afraid of KYC. Reputable casinos will not use KYC as a way to hold user's money but it might be because of the terms.

A bit complicated case because it can be seen from 2 different sides. From the casino's side, they have the right to hold the money if user unable to provide the data and fail to pass the KYC. Can it be called as money laundering? I have no idea to be honest but I dont think it is a money laundering. From the player's side, it is the real nightmare if the user fail to provide the requested data. Again, the failure of providing the requested data can be various cases, so it is complicated case to discuss if there is no real story with detailed information from both casino and player.

If I have the option of doing KYC before registration and doing it after winning big, I would choose the first option. It is better to know the documents you are expected to present as KYC at the onset than to be subjected to a strict and complicated process.

I prefer to have the maximum win and prepare for the rigorous process of KYC. If I win big, I will be willing to get any verification they want. If my privacy is compromised, with the big win I can relocate to another country.

Money seized due to suspicion of money laundering should be transferred to the government of the country it is coming from. Such funds should be sent to the law enforcement agencies. The casino will be guilty of holding laundered funds. If they make use of the seized money they are part of the crime and should be convicted of stealing and fraud.

I usually try to complete the whole process when I start something new.

That is, deposit, processing, withdrawal. I check how long it takes for each step (usually deposits are the only fast ones).

That gives me an idea of what to expect.

If I don't have a clear way of getting money out of some process, then I just won't continue that idea.

I am not trying to disprove what you have written but I have had two different experiences from two casinos. While one needed me to complete my KYC before making any deposit, the other waited until I had won a some cash >$50 which was my second time until they asked. Both are crypto casinos and I think they can pass for modern too.

We can say that a casino has laundered money when they help a criminal organization to move large amount of crypto. However, if they withhold a customer funds, it is not classified under launder. Because it lacks the features of money laundering

Firstly, if at the beginning, before gambling and making a deposit, you can carry out the KYC process, I think it should be done, because don't wait to win big first, as long as you can do it at the beginning, why not, isn't that right, friend? It's best to just do it at the beginning, but that's not a bad thing in my opinion.

secondly, I don't think players or users need to be afraid, after all I am sure that many people gamble, their goal is to get a big win or maxxWin. so if they get a big win and the casino requires them to complete the KYC process, this is what is not expected, if there is something that can be done in advance then do it, don't delay, chances are if it is like this it will make things more difficult for us, with Those of us who may not be patient in cashing in the winnings we have obtained can take careless and rash actions.

I didn't think they would be like that, but this happened to my friend, only slightly different. my friend who got a big win or maxxWin, he was not required to do anything because from the start there was no process to complete KYC, only deposits and withdrawals, but when he withdrew he experienced problems with his account being frozen by the casino, and he trying hard to get the big victory he has obtained. In the end he only got half of the winnings he had obtained, whether because the casino didn't want to lose or what, I can't say for sure.

That's why it is important to explore the platform first befor you play and deposit in it to avoid the inconvenience and you could have the assurance that your funds will be safe, for instance if you can do KYC before deopsiting then its better, and its much better if you will comply with KYC first so that withdrawing money will not be a problem, but if you saw that the casino will require KYC before withdrawal then it will be so suspicious and from there you should be wary and will avoid that platform, I'm not saying that they are scam but the thing is it will cause some inconvenience for you if you will be instance that you cannot withdraw your funds or money or be locked up. Its important to be wise in this days because many people will make a way to take advantage to the other people.

No, I like gambling as anonymous as possible, if I can gamble without giving away any of my personal information I would do it, that being said, I don't just gamble at any casino that doesn't ask for KYC registering.

maybe the users who know who have broken the casino rules and know that they can't pass the KYC process, then yes, they should be afraid, as for people who know that they haven't broken any rule and can pass the KYC, they should be worried too much.

No, not really, the casino just simply forfeits the winnings since the gambler cannot fulfil the KYC that was requested and agreed upon when the gambler registered at the casino.

I will wait until the casino asks me to do KYC. That's because I don't make large deposits and also never bet big money. So I guess the casinos are just waiting until I can win big money then they will ask me to do KYC.

Most users will be worried when asked to do KYC. They think that the process is just an ordinary process and they will still have difficulty withdrawing their winnings. But if they gamble at a trusted casino, they will not experience any difficulties after carrying out KYC. They can withdraw their winnings easily.

Casinos that withhold money from winners who are unwilling to perform KYC will take it as their profit. I don't know if this is money laundering or not, but it seems like that's what happened. Maybe you can ask each casino directly about this.

Normally before I always register on any gambling platforms, I usually do my kyc because I know its a money issue, which might warranty to agument on wining claims. So I totally avoid it from the beginning.

Users should not be afraid of getting a maximum win, but  making sure they do the needful at the right time by doing kyc to avoid  their fund being locked up .

Some of these are just last ditch effort to prevent the gambler from taking his winnings.
In my opinion, a casino that didn't ask for KYC when you were registering and when you deposited, shouldn't ask for KYC when you win a huge sum. Saying they're asking for KYC to prevent money laundering is just bs. If they really cared about preventing money laundering, they would have asked for KYC from the beginning. If the player had lost his money they wouldn't have care if he's a murder or terrorist.

A trusted Casino wouldn't give you issues when you want to withdraw your winnings. If the casino starts asking for ridiculous things then that's suspicious. Normally, the ask for the basic identification like drivers license, passport etc. Asking for difficult documents just shows fraudulent activities.

With what  you have said OP I think i will remain playing but with small amount of bets
only each time so the chance of winning huge is very tin, and about KYC? i mostly play in
government regulated site meaning i  know that theywill  ask for KYC in any chance sooner,
but i have seen this kind of issue happening most of the time because after winning huge
they are now in issues withdrawing because of this kind .

This made me laugh. :) I've never heard of someone who's afraid of getting a Max Win.

Getting a max win is the hardest bit, mate, and the KYC process, however tedious it might be, is incomparably easier. Actually I know what you are talking about, I've undergone several unbelievably complicated KYC processes on various sites, but I finally succeeded in each of them. And it wasn't because I won some big amount, let alone anything comparable to a max win, in some cases it were just $50 worth of altcoins. In short, I am not afraid of getting a max win. I'm asking the universe: "Let me get it, I can handle any KYC process, just give that max win!" :)

Yeah you're right it sounds funny, most individuals dream is to win very big from whether they gamble for fun or whatever reason, if people are afraid of getting a max win, should they rather be happy to get max losses, no I don't think so. There's this joy that comes with winning a jackpot because it's rare, especially when the saud individual who wins is a poor or an average one.

 Most casino sites especially Cryptocurrency casinos would require for KYC upon registration or after securing a mass win due to security reasons, therefore it's left so individuals to make sure they've got the required documents for KYC ready incase of situations like this. Yes some KYC process can be very frustrating but for security and transparency it is very important to avoid money laundry and fraudulent activities.

No, why would I want to do KYC if I am not required to do it or asked for it? I would love it if I can enjoy gambling and be able to make small deposits and withdrawals without having to provide any personal identification. Fortunately, so far, I have not manged to finish my gambling to withdraw anything. I do win but I will continue my gambling until nothing left in my bankroll.

Well, the possibility of that happening is usually not very high, so one shouldn't be worried about that, but a gambler needs to make sure they are gambling on a platform that doesn't cause a lot of trouble when it comes to matters like this.

I don't know if this can be considered money laundering or not but I know that they have the right to ask for any sort of verification and they have these things written in their terms and conditions, we just don't read them before we sign up so it's our mistake.

These are some of the things we gamblers do, we don't read rules on local or online casino before we gamble. However, I think the casinos are really trickish. From my opinion I think that before any casino that requires KYC before withdrawal, they should also ask for KYC before deposit. Lots of casinos are very good in attracting gamblers with the kind of games they and bonuses they offers, but it's only gamblers that doesn't have enough time to reads the teams and conditions of the casino that falls for it.

Personally, I do KYC early before playing with even 1 cent, when I have read the casino rules, the safest option is to fulfill KYC. Moreover, because my type of gambling has always been in one casino for quite a long time, until now I have not experienced any serious problems regarding the problems that we often encounter from problematic users.

Of course I'm not afraid to complete it, but what always becomes an obstacle is that the process seems convoluted and even leads to accusations of fraud due to miscommunication between gamblers and casino support. Therefore, I always ensure that the deposit and withdrawal rules are fully understood, especially the maximum withdrawal limits.

In general this action is considered money laundering, but this does not mean that casinos keep gamblers money for no reason. Because the casino must enforce operational standards and ensure that the money they withhold from gamblers is in accordance with the rules that have been stated from the start.

I just read all your answers guy, it's a hot topic and I really enjoy looking at your different points of view.


This is part of the point here, sometimes the KYC process looks more like an excuse to hold the users' money, and sometimes casinos get to some absurd point like asking for the source of income, or rejecting user ID if is not the passport. From my point of view, sometimes this looks like searching for an excuse to not pay to the user.

If that is the casino that you're going to play with a huge amount of money, and if you trust the casino then doing a KYC before depositing and playing is a good idea, but that does not guarantee that they will not ask you again or they will not flag your account, if there's a violation then they can ask for a KYC again or ask to submit additional information.

If the casino is reputable and has no record of withholding their winners' payout however huge it may be and you believe that you can pass KYC because you are complete with all the documents that they are going to ask for and most importantly your account is clean then you deserve your payout.

If they refuse your payout you can post an accusation of scam here in Bitcointalk or ask casino review sites for mediation if they lose and they still hold your payout then they will mark the casino as a scam, and it will have a negative effect on their reputation.

Well, I'm just an average gambler, spending a small amount for gambling. That being said, KYC is not a priority because i'm not even certain if i'm going to win a decent amount when I play on the specific casino. IMO, as long as you're playing on a reputable site, then it's not an issue if you're not a verified player yet.

Just make sure that you can provide the needed documents to confirm your identity to be able to withdraw your winnings (just incase) and you didn't cheat, then there's nothing to worry. But again, this is only applicable for reputable casino since they will not do a shady tactic just to hinder you to get your money.

It's not the KYC it is the reputation of the casino that is in question, so before you think of doing KYC check the reputation of the casino first to be sure they do not have complaints related to KYC like asking their players to undergo KYC yet they still confiscate the funds.

After checking the reputation why not, I will have peace of mind knowing all is taken care of

It's a big nightmare if the casino has a bad reputation and here you are wishing and hoping that you can cash out that huge amount it's an agony like what the complainants are undergoing.

It is not not money laundering, but another sort of crime on it's own that some casino's are guilty of. There are casinos that will make the KYC process very difficult such that it discourages a winner who has just won a good amount of money from claiming their money by asking for some documents which the gambler may not possess. This is possible because these casinos know that they are gamblers who do not have some sort of documents so they do not trouble these gamblers during the sign up process or the deposit process but will wait until these people win an amount of money before they start demanding for this document. It is a very bad business behavior.

For me, the KYC process is not a major problem for me. If all online casinos require users from the start, KYC is not a problem for me, of course I will do it, of course I will carry out these rules, without thinking about other alternatives, if that is the best thing.

The problem is in my understanding here.

It's clear that there are kong-kong kongs here, there are shrimps behind rocks, logically it is impossible for KYC to be linked to money laundering in online gambling, it is necessary to ask what is behind all this KYC vs. Money laundering.

Recent government policies have indeed led to a goal, perhaps in the future the online gambling industry will not be free from government monitoring, whether it is an economic goal, taxes and other things, what is clear is that there is something that the casino must do for the government, KYC and money laundering are made the scapegoat, the problem, no one escapes taxation, KYC is an effective solution at this time.

I once did KYC on one of the platforms which simply used a cellphone number and email. With this KYC, I can make withdrawals of around a maximum of USD 6K. This is a large amount when referring to the currency value in my country. With this minimum KYC, in history, i already made a withdrawal (one time) $2K without any additional data needed.

If, the platform asks for full identity KYC, I will searching any info, whether the platform has experienced a user account data hack or not. If it doesn't exist yet and have good reputation to store customer data, then I will put my trust in carrying out full KYC. of course with all the risks, as long as the win is big enough or can change my life.

Usually, it is considered money laundering if you make a large deposit at once. But, I think if we get maxwin starting from a minimal deposit, like $50 you are so lucky getting $20K, there is no reason why our winnings should be called money laundering. IMO

Of course, this is from my perspective. I understand the dangers of doing KYC, but there is no solution to avoid full KYC for large amounts. Because on the other hand, companies also need customer data. either for verification or other needs.

this topic has often been discussed, where should a gambler complete kyc or wait until the casino forces them to do it, the answer is clear that if the casino has a kyc feature, then a gambler must complete the process first before they play, even at the casino didn't ask for that. because that could be a problem in the future, for example the gambler wins a large amount, then the casino may refuse to pay their obligations because the gambler has not completed their kyc.

as there is no problem for a gambler to complete kyc before they gamble. there is nothing to be afraid of, because casinos do not only store the data of 1-2 gamblers in their database, but hundreds of thousands of users and if they are regulated, this data should be stored securely.

Of course, Yes. I will do it to avoid any problem that might occur in the later based on withdrawal issues when I win big, because I believe that I will win big someday, so I will be prepared for it.

Why are you gambling at the first place, it is to try you luck and at the same time have fun. So why will any gambler be afraid of getting a Max win. If you have already done KYC from the beginning before depositing, it will not be a nightmare. If you are not OK with the KYC thing, then you forego your wins.

I don't see it as money laundering, because it is kept legally in the the casinos account since it was a bet, and if you provide the required documents, you will be allowed to withdraw.

It's better gamblers do KYC process before makes a deposit to avoids any problems, especially when they wants to withdraw their wins money. Many gamblers faces this problem when they wants to withdraw and objection to do KYC process and accused the casino doing cheat to them. But if they reads about the TOS, they will finds that casino can asks their members to do KYC anytime and their members must obeys it. So before people joins in the casino, they must reads the TOS first and makes sure about KYC process and if they don't wants to do KYC process, they don't have to continue to registers themselves. Most people doesn't read the TOS so when they have been asked by the casino, they feels that's not right for them to do KYC.

When they gets the max wins, the casino will asks them to do KYC and once again, gamblers doesn't wants to do that and will say anything bad about the casino. I think if we trusted the casino, we should do KYC process to makes it easier to us and we can withdraws our money without any problems.

No, I always do the KYC when only ask because I’m only playing using small amount of bankroll so I have no concern if ever a casino trap my funds as worst case scenario.


This issue intensifies because most of the user that has problem after experiencing max win are those who abuse bonuses. But reputable casino doesn’t have problem paying out max win since they have tons of customers which they can recover the losses.

This is only your nightmare if you are playing on shady casino. Max win is the ultimate goal of gambling.


No, they stop the laundering. Laundering is when they give back the funds to the money launderer.

I earlier said in one comment that it was the best way to go when dealing with casinos. First, pass your KYC before you start gambling so that once you make a huge win, you will peacefully withdraw your funds without facing the stress of your KYC not being verified due to some rejected documents. 

I also gave the example of someone who deposited at an exchange before applying for KYC, and it was difficult before his KYC document was accepted. What I just realized is that it's wise to first of all get your account's KYC verified before engaging in financial dealings on that account. 

For your question, yes, I would rather pass KYC in a casino rather than waits till I have made a deposit and won some money. 

@OP, do you mind sharing the names of casinos that don't permit KYC until their customers have made deposits and won their bets? I know that Stake.com and BC.Games don't have such policies. 

Any casino that ask you for KYC upon winning whereas such was not captured in their TOS is definitely suspicious. I have not met most of them, or perhaps I have not really read the TOS of those non KYC casinos to know if there is such conditions imbedded in it. This is the reason I prefer casinos that will ask for KYC before deposit is allowed or spell it out from the beginning that KYC is required for withdrawal. This is how I gauge the integrity of casinos.

If casinos keeps the money, it is money laundering but who will raise the alarm? The will never pass the money to the source neither will they send it to the authorities rather they will make it difficult for the user to access the funds with unrealistic conditions. This is a bad practice and a taint on their reputation.

For a fact that the casino is known as a casino that requires a customer to be KYCed after registration before making use of the  account to gamble then it is important you pass the KYC before depositing any cent.  A gambler that is sensitive should have to be careful of such act of negligence attitude from casino's as they could be up to something.

Anything that involves KYC, becomes very difficult to get through with when money is involved unlike how seamless with ease it could have been in the first instance when a deposit or a win hasn't been made.

It's just to avoid going for a max win with an account that haven't passed kyc verification, because some casinos can be crazily funny with requirements procedures.

  Only the law can interpret this position.

The problem with KYC is because no matter how they put it, it's invasive and people don't want to be in it especially if those people value their online privacy knowing how expensive data is in the black market, you don't want to risk becoming a part of that sold data and so people are so off put of KYC, imagine if it's really difficult to get those data stolen and there's really no customer base for it, people will not hesitate getting into KYC.

Regarding max wins, I don't get why would you be scared of it? It's not like you have no way of contesting your claim against the casino that you've made a big win right? They can risk not giving you the money but they will lose more when they do that.

I think it is better to gamble with the amount limit given for KYC free gambling. In this no one will exceed his gambling budget so his losses will be less. again due to excessive gambling one has to become addicted to gambling but if someone gambles with a low limit then he can stay away from the deep addiction of gambling. on the other hand you will be safe in terms of documents as no kyc is done. So this limitation can save someone from gambling addiction if one tries

It depends on how much I usually spend on a daily basis in the site - if it’s an account that I use small amounts for I won’t stress myself with KYC as soon as I open an account there even if I’m allowed to do it. But if it’s an account that I know I’d be making huge deposits then I’d most likely just have to complete it first before I make any deposits - that way I won’t have to worry about getting blocked if if I manage to win a huge amount.

First question: I prefer to complete the procedures if I agree to use a central casino, which means I will not have a problem with privacy to avoid any disruption that may occur later.

Second question: Fear of obtaining Max Win means fear of completing Kyc procedures, and this does not seem reasonable if you know from the beginning that this is what will happen.
Getting your profits from Max Win after completing strict procedures is better than getting nothing.

Third question: This does not mean money laundering unless the platform intends to launder money from outside its financial pool.

Yes, if I know that I'll stay on this casino for long and some unexpected wins could come to me then I'd be doing that by the feel of my guts.

No, it's a lot of money and everyone can do the process just to take that money that belongs to you.

I don't think so because the money didn't moved at all but that's when the users accuses them as scammers.

This should be the better thing to do, but some casinos will never make that option available at the beginning just because they, do not want gamblers who come to gamble on their casino for the first time to be discouraged because of the rigorous sign up and deposit process. I am patient and will be able to be patient to complete KYC even it will take a few days, but it is not everyone who is patient and will like the long process of KYC especially when they do not have the plans to stay gambling in the casino.

I've seen this asked in another thread before and the general consensus was that nobody would do it voluntarily.

Money laundering is concealing the origin so I don't think so.
If the casino was intentionally failing the user's KYC verification the what they're doing is basically stealing.
If the player really doesn't have the required documents then I guess the withholding of money is justified.

If you're a serious gambler and spending time and money on that particular casino you have the option to do KYC before you deposit then why not proceed, there's nothing like having peace of mind while playing it eases the burden of overthinking

I just can't imagine those who won big amounts on 1xbit and 1xbet because their chances to withdraw are very bad, these casinos want you to play and lose only, doing early KYC is good because you will know right away what are documents needed, I even read that one casino asking for a selfie in a street sign, some casinos are that bad that you will hate them for asking KYC that made you look ridiculous.

I have always been with the support of if you must use a casino that requests KYC, pass the KYC even before you start using it, because you never can predict when you will have that big win, which will require them to ask you for KYC, and by that time it will be difficult to pass the KYC as the demanded document might have been increased compared to what it could have been the first time. 
 
And any casino that has KYC enabled is not even supposed to block users from accessing it until they demand it. I see it as unlawful if any casino engages in such an act, and the casino should be accessed with caution.

If it would be possible for me to summit my KYC information I believe I would do it, but I lay under the condition of being aware I would be gambling in that specific casino for months of years to come. It does not make much sense to go full KYC on a gambling website in which one does not intend to spend much time or wager in the long term.

I do not think it is a nightmare for a gambler to get a Max win or hit the jackpot, there are very reputable webs which do not hesitate to pay what is due to their winners.

Finally, I do not think refusing to pay what is due to a winner because they alledgedly fail to go through the KYC process could be considered to be money laundering, in the eyes of the law, that money belongs to the casino and they have the right to deny pay if they do not feel satisfied with their KYC policies. Surely, the casino would not be prosecuted for it, but they will end up hurting their own reputation.

It depends if I like the casino and chose to be using it for a long time. I can't just login to a casino and pass NYC while I may end up not using the casino after sometimes. Before I perform a KYC on the casino, I will love to use and test it first, if I love the casino to continue using it, that is only when I can do the KYC. There's no need to verify KYC and abandoned the casino, it is not advisable to do such.

There are casinos that implement KYC upon withdrawal. There are those that implement KYC when a huge amount is withdrawn. In the first place, this is unfair. I'd even go as far as to interpret this as a subtle attempt to lock funds which will eventually become theirs. 


I won't, but more importantly, passing KYC before making a deposit isn't a guarantee that you won't be asked to submit further KYC documents upon withdrawal especially if it involves a huge amount. If you win and withdraw small amounts, there may not be problems at all. But if it involves a jackpot, a huge amount, it might be another story.

Nobody should be afraid of a max win. Everybody dreams and prays for it.

Keeping what's considered dirty or suspicious money may not necessarily be a crime as far as the casino is concerned. But they don't get to keep it. If they are making money out of freezing suspicious deposits, I guess that's fraud.

Indeed, for some people, the KYC verification process can be quite a disturbing and annoying experience. Because you have to include the necessary documents, which of course can be quite a tiring and stressful moment because in the process it could fail, and what you have obtained or achieved in the gambling that you do, will be in vain because you cannot make a withdrawal.

Where the casino holds your money, due to your inability to provide the required KYC information, this can be a source of concern. And even though the casino does this in order to fulfill and comply with existing regulations, still, the delay or withholding of money by the casino can raise doubts about the integrity of the casino itself.

So what the OP said is true, that the KYC verification process can be quite frightening for some people.

I am not a fan of KYC period and have only completed KYC for 1 casino. I have always felt that sites can take KYC too far and a player can end up screwed in some way. So to answer question 1, no. If they haven't completed kyc and the casino is 1 known for asking for kyc, then they're asking to be disappointed if they hit a big win.

Question 3 is a tough 1. I don't think that the casino keeping the money would be money laundering, but could be considered theft. Then, the casinos could argue fraud on the players part and void any winnings. It's a mess to say the least and what's right or wrong is subjective.

Sorry to say, hate KYC as much as you like, but you won't be hating that you win some money someday on an online casino, you won't have a choice than to pass the KYC and get your winning, but if truly you hate KYC why not leave that money you won behind? Why give up your KYC in return for money? Isn't that saying something else about you?

Honestly, it makes no sense at all, you can't gamble without passing verification, get used to it already, even all your so-loved online casinos are getting regulated, it is either you stop gambling for good or keep running about, from one non-yet regulated casino to another, good luck with that but what you seek for is now impossible.

There are many people today that will swear by God's name that they are not into illegal activities even on this forum and they don't want the government intervention, who is going to keep people under control? The government have secrets, they are not clean too but I fear humans even more, some are wicked than even the government, if they are given the freedom to do as they like they will destroy everything around them for their own selfish gains.

Who doesn't feel happy when they get a big win in gambling? This is the thing most coveted by those who often place bets and play gambling. However, concerns arose when they were unable to make a withdrawal because their winnings had been suspended by the casino. Even though this is done to fulfill and comply with existing regulations, questions still arise regarding the integrity of the casino, whether the winnings we achieve will be paid immediately.

However, this does not apply to gambling sites that already have permits and official legal status, because long before that happens, KYC verification has already been carried out when registering on the site. So that when you get lucky in gambling, achieve a sizable win, you will no longer be confused by KYC verification issues.

And therefore it is quite important that before we gamble, make sure that the gambling site we visit has an official license and has legal status. Don't be easily influenced by gambling site advertisements or offers from gambling sites that you don't know, so that you can avoid all forms of fraud committed by irresponsible gambling sites.

Very well,most gamblers frown at the fact that they will need to fill a KYC documents before payments whereas their mode of winning have not been ascertained but how could a Max win be the worst thing to any gambler.
Normally every gambler is happy when attaining such wins but where they get it all worked up is when they are asked to do KYC to guarantee their payments and all that and that's where it becomes a worse nightmare for some cause they think it's a long process for them to cash out their wins.

No, so far in my years with crypto based gambling, I haven't done any KYC for that matter.


It's a blessing but at the same you will have to think whether to pass KYC or not because you want to get your winnings. Not just max win though, anytime that casinos feels that they want to ask for KYC then it's going to be a issues to us.


I don't think that is the definition of money laundering per se, but gamblers are sure are a disadvantage if they don't want to send the mandatory documents just to be able get that big win.

Nah, from past experience even on this forum, too many gamblers always have problems submitting their KYC information, between 2022 and 2024 there have been so many topics created on this forum about how they can't withdraw their winnings because they are asked for KYC, something they should have dealt with behind our back and get their winnings out, they choose to bring it on here thinking they can find another way about it.

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It is better to pass KYC verification before you start to gamble, I would do this with pleasure.



To me all online casinos that are regulated are qualified to be called centralized, even the lasted freebitco who will never ask you for KYC verification even if you win millions of Bitcoin have now start asking for KYC, what does this tell us? There will never be a decentralised online casino, the regulators won't let them be.

Also in terms of getting paid in online casinos, aren't you responsible for what currency you want to get paid? You are the one to click the withdrawal button yourself, isn't it? Or there are still some online casinos that only pay in Fiat currency? That sucks if true, I will never use such casino to gamble.

Well I think asking for KYC after max win its even a sign of a casino that isn't reputable so gambling with such casino is even a risk because there's  no assurance that you are going to be able to get your funds if you eventually get to win them so I think it's always better to do your research well before using any of the casinos and if they require KYC before deposit then make sure to do you KYC first aside which if they don't be very mindful to know if they will require it sometimes I'm the guy and they reason for which they don't do immediate KYC.

Some casinos actually get involved in laundry and it's no new actually sometimes they get fined by the government when they find out and even get to close them down in some cases, as regards to your last question a straight answer will be that yes it is.

You try to KYC the players right on signing up and they will never come back. The signup process needs to be quick and as easy as possible, which is why theses casinos have so simple methods to make a new account because they want more and more people to start playing and then they will start getting them addicted to the games.

Of course you can KYC yourself anytime in the casino that you feel comfortable, but since most of gambling is an impulse based decision, these planned things dont work in the brain of the gambler.

Still the casino has to run a business so they KYC policy is their own to keep. Players have to agree to it before signing up.

You are right guys, maybe money laundering is not the right term, it's more like theft. And there is nothing the users can do because the casino is the one who decide the rules and the user must be agree to those rules.


Imagine you win $100k, then you have to do a hell of a KYC, it could be a week's process, and after that, the casino has a limit of $10k withdrawal/month, which would take more than a year to withdraw. We have seen some examples of this in the past. For sure the users lose part of that money before being able to withdraw all.

Besides of being advantageous to the casino because of the reasons you just mention, it also makes sense to gamblers not to immediately send their personal documents to get casino to check and store in their data base, by the way. Just think about an hypothetical scenario where all casinos and betting books in this ecosystem and based in important countries for this industry, like Curaçao, United States and England, decided to ask for those documents as soon as people decide to sign up to the platform. That would inevitably imply many people will have their online footprint exponentially increased for the sake of trying new casinos, which in many ocassions could be in disappointment for them as gamblers.
We all have had a story on how we encountered some small or new casino on the internet on which we felt like depositing ans try, we skipped the KYC process in the beginning and played a bit, just to find out it was a very lackluster experience to us.
If laws and casino policy were different, dozens of casinos out there would have our information, only for us to frequently use two or three of them.

Of course I will not do KYC first because at a certain level of bet or deposit/withdrawal one can still do gambling without having KYC.

The simplest answer is when I get a big win or maxwin then I will certainly do my KYC, if indeed the big win is more than I imagined but if the maxwin is a small amount I will definitely have a lot of thoughts not to do it, because in fact the bet affects how much to get maxwin.

I don't think it's money laundering, or I haven't understood what the elements of money laundering are in that case, the money that the user wins from the casino then the user doesn't withdraw it, and just keeps it in his account, there is no indication of laundering in my eyes.

If I am interested in playing at a casino, the first thing I try to get a general idea of the casino site. If KYC is made mandatory there then I must make the deposit after doing KYC there because if any reason my KYC is not approved then I will lose the deposited money.

KYC is an important factor for a gambler to win. But not important than gambling. If one thinks of winning his max for KYC in gambling then it is wrong. If he has such thoughts then he will think about that platform first.

According to the casino's terms and conditions, they have the power to freeze a customer's money at any time if they find any suspicious behavior. And money laundering is illegal if any organization keeps the money. I don't know whether they give the money to the government or take the money themselves.

Casinos has the right to request their users to do the KYC again at any time when they require more information from their players.
So there is no need to bother looking for a casino that is willing to do KYC at the beginning, because after done with the KYC it doesnt mean your account has been whitelisted.

There are still many casinos that have a good reputation and do not require KYC for withdrawals of less than $2000.

Probably I would try finding an alternative online casino where I could play without going into KYC process first. In negative case, I would have to give my personal informations to the casino in order to play.

If the house is legit, I don't think they should be afraid of anything. They just have to make sure they have all the data available if the casino asks for it at anytime. I would be a bad idea to start gambling at a casino without your ID in your hands. Even if they don't require it, you should have all your personal informations ready to show, anyway.

I don't know if ti's money laundering, but there are two possible answers: it's the gambler's fault for not having how to provide requested data, or it's a scam perpetrated by the casino due to making excessively complex or impossible requests which can't be met by the gambler. It's expected a casino is going to demand KYC anytime, but it should be a normal and simple process for every gamblers, without any extra difficulties just because a gambler has hit jackpot winnings.

Well, if we are to consider so many things a lot of gamblers might have to stick to non kyc casino because the ways kyc are being forced on so many people, it's making the whole process tired some.  I think the whole kyc process should be taken upon registration. It will help reduce the idea of have ones win help back by the casino.

I feel the casino makes the whole process more difficult for users when then win huge amount. It might not seem exactly like it though. But some players would find out at this point that their country of residence is prohibited from playing on such casino. This I think is more reason why the kyc process should come before a player begib to use their service.

There are definitely some psychological and maybe even AI driven algorithms that are engineered by gambling companies in order to make new players think that they have a chance at winning much bigger amounts. It would make sense to dangle the idea that wins come more frequently in the first few days or week after a player account is created. Most players never have any real intention of withdrawing funds back from the site (unless they win huge, at least this is the lie they tell themselves) and will often run down their wallet amount until it's effectively zero. Everyone should expect KYC these days, as most of the largest casinos are ultimately headquartered in places like Europe where the regulators are already forcing them down this path.

I would definitely do a CIC before playing at a certain casino because I am afraid that if I win the casino will start resisting for a huge payout and may not do it. Of course, if we are talking about big bets, but I prefer to place not very large bets and not very often, but only on big events. I can go through the CIC procedure, for example, before a big event in order to continue placing bets there. If you don’t go through this and win big money, then it really can turn not into joy, but into a nightmare if the player fails to go through this procedure and he begins to hate this casino and write about it everywhere. Of course, I would like there to be fewer such situations in real situations.

Right after? Which means they already started playing and ended up winning? But that's a waste of money if they will simply ran away because of the KYC requirements. There are still lots of users who just comply to the rule. The boom of online casinos right now is in fact a proof to that.

Before, that's how a KYC work, like you will only get asked for it once the amount you are dealing with is huge enough but unfortunately they revised it and now, anyone is not exempted to it anymore. Even without the involvement of KYC, a max win can still screw us because it lets us think that gambling is easy money and we will try to bet more again.

I think you have a good point here, if we do kick at the beginning but then abuse somehow or break the rules (with multiple accounts on the same IP is a good example) then our account can get locked, and the kick will not save us from that because we have broken the casino rules. So, the fact that we make the KYC process doesn't mean our account can't be locked.

But following this point, some casinos detect when users are cheating and they ask for KYC, after the process they lock the account explaining how the user cheats, and i think that's cruel, but maybe is a way to avoid the user cheats two times.

It's very true that max payment is the dream of almost every gambler but then sometimes winning the max payout may not be the problem initially but the casino been able to payout the money to the winner becoming a nightmare is what get many gamblers not wishing to win the max payment because they may actually end up not been happy with what they may have to go through just to be able to get paid especially with casinos who wait for such huge wins before they request KYC and at this point some of them don't get to make the KYC any easy, they make it rough such that you actually have to go through a whole lot of stress just to get pass it.

I do advice thst if you get to a site or a casino and they are not requiring you do your KYC at the point of registration try to make inquires into  the fact that they will require it in the future so you get prepared and know how to handle it if need be otherwise you can go ahead with your registration or exit.

I'm not sure and I cant imagine about hitting max payout in a casino since I'm small gambler only so I'm sure that my biggest win will not be something really huge that will not lead into KYC.
Lets say I have the chance to win so huge amount of money, whether it will be a nightmare or not, it will be depending on how the casino serve me.
It will be a nightmare if the casino make it hard for me in the verification process but if the casino is friendly enough then it will not be a nightmare.

First of all, before even engaging in gambling the first thing you do is to choose a legitimate casino and it's easy to find a good one in here without going many cases against this casino when it comes to withdrawing your winnings.
Now when it comes to passing the KYC process before the casino requests it, I believe contacting the support about this matter may help you with passing it and confirm your documents, otherwise try to deposit and withdraw a testing balance and see how it is going.
However, choosing a bd reputed casino might be a nightmare, especially when higher funds are involved. You my face a long and exhausting process requesting many documents or taking much time and low responses from the casino's team.

If you could do KYC process before making a deposit, would you do it?
-No, KYC is highly frowned upon into this crypto space and on the time that people would be finding that KYC first before they could be able to play
then they would really be just simply skipping out and finding another one.

When a user wins a huge amount the real nightmare starts, the users have to complete the worst KYC process he will see in his life, so, should users be afraid of getting a Max Win?
-As long you are dealing with a legit and reputable site then its not really something that you would really be needing to afraid of. Also, if you have done nothing
then why would be scared?


Casinos ask for KYC to avoid money laundering, but if the gambler isn't able to give the requested data then the casino keeps the money. If the casino keeps the money isn't that Money laundering?

-It is really hard to believe that a gambler wont really be tending to their their winning just because of KYC issues. If ever this one happens then i dont see any
money laundering issue on here in casinos part.

Or if the casino you played has history of you just betting normal and suddenly you hit the mega jackpot or one of the biggest price, for sure they are  going to look at your account and then see it but normal, maybe there could be no KYC after all.

And that is the difference between landbase and online, if you win in landbase they can't deny you from giving you that win except for certain cases. But in online, it could be mandatory KYC, choice your poison.

There are platforms who would really be asking it out on having that KYC but just like on what been said above that if there's nothing something that you've been hiding then it wont really be an issue for you to comply on whats been asked because it is really that impossible that you wont be taking that winning just because you do really just give out importance of your identity or privacy.
Unless if we are talking $10 on here then it would be no brainer that people would choose not to do so but if we do speak even with that $1000 winning and asked out for some KYC
then majority of us wont really be that tending to let it skip and would really be that doing KYC immediately without questions asked. How much more if you do win up the jackpot or simply
talking about millions? You wont really be having no hesitance on doing so of course.

I mean KYC is pretty basic thing. They need to know who you are legally by gambling and casino regulations based on the geographical laws in which it resides. I guess for a casino they see that you can't pass the KYC requirement to claim the winnings therefore the transaction is void and the house wins. IF someone was to argue that in a court of law and they can't even answer some simple KYC questions I think they have some other problems that they make for them selves there. The casino knows this and thats why they get away with it.

Do you think people won't give their KYC when they hit max win?

They will verify their accounts as fast as possible, even the casino ask documents that they didn't have yet, they will create it in order to withdraw their winnings. But, what if the casinos ask ridiculous or almost impossible KYC like street selfie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410006.0)?

KYC isn't the problem, the casino is.

Casino can asked KYC anytime to their members and members must do if they wants to withdraw their money or don't wants to have a problem while they playing gambling on that casino. Doing KYC can avoids them to waits for some time, especially if they wants to withdraw their wins. Many gamblers doesn't like KYC because they thinks that they don't have to do that, especially if they playing gambling at the crypto casino. But with the regulations from the government makes them to obey the rules and if gamblers really doesn't wants to do KYC, they can search for the other casinos. But today, with the interfere from the governments, many casinos asked KYC to their members so gamblers will not gets casino that allows them to avoids KYC. But gamblers should search for the trust and reputable casino to avoids the problems after they doing KYC.

Yeah, if they require KYC for withdrawal, then they will provide it. That's it.

The thing is that there's no chance that there is a casino without KYC these days.

If I know to myself that I will be betting huge then I will go for it. But since I won't be going that far, I am okay with the Level 1 or Level 2 KYC.

No, I don't think so. The KYC process ain't a scary thing unless you are illegally doing it. i.e. you are still a child, the money you are using ain't yours but from the credit of your parents. A max win is a max win and gambling sites should give it if the KYC is approved without any trouble.

They won't be keeping it. It's frozen and I think they will hand it to whatever part of the government who handles this kind of cases. I don't think a gambling site would just give themselves trouble with little money that they can profit just by staying in the business.

IMO, KYC should be taken seriously as there might be cases in which we could get a max win, just like you said. If ever that happens, we should be ready with our information so that we can withdraw our money as smoothly as possible.

I would actually consider doing the KYC process before making a deposit but this is conditional.

This means that I would only submit my personal documents to trusted gambling websites that have proven their reputation when it comes to their length of stay and security. Also, I would also consider submitting all of my KYC documents to a gambling website that I am sure that I will stay and commit most of my bets to.


In the first place, why would you be scared of getting a max win? Are you scared of submitting your KYC documents due to the fear of security or something else?

Again if you have nothing to hide, you should not be scared if you were asked by the gambling company to submit your documents. An innocent man fears no allegation against him.


As far as I know, the gambling company have to comply with their local laws regarding this type of problem. Assuming that it was proven that the money deposited was indeed for schemes of money laundering, then the government would have complete custody of the money as the gambling company must make a local return and report to the former.

I will if they can be trusted.
That is a problem but the question is --if we just let our winning stay there? Or take the KYC option for the sake of that amount. We could be in trouble if the site's reputation is questionable.
It is not a problem if we are informed about that at the start because we still have the option to use this platform or find another one.
If the urge of the government that all gambling sites will implement KYC, then we have no option but to submit. Otherwise, this will be the reason that I stop gambling.

Which legit and reputable gambling "site" as you say are you talking about please? Because unless you're playing at a fully non-custodial casino, that is to say a decentralized one that don't need you to make deposit, you will always be at risk to have to undergo an endless KYC process. It is not really illegal, especially in the offshore jurisdiction where they are hidden, so why they wouldn't use it?
Besides that, you think it's "really hard to believe that a gambler wont really be tending to their winning just because of KYC issues" but will you do if the casino ask you documents you haven't and you can't get in any way? It's the first time you heard of endless KYC process scams? You must be new in the crypto universe and you should be a little bit more cautious IMO because it can happens with any (dishonest) platform, not gambling ones only.

#1. Would i do it? Of course no. Asked by some KYC first before i do play its a no good for me and also there's no assurance that you would be able to hit up some max win. Therefore
it wouldnt be having no sense that you would be able to do so.

#2. If you do able to hit up that max win then pretty sure that you wont really be able to make yourself be mindful much about your privacy. The main thing that you would really be
having in mind is to get those winnings no matter what kind of situation it would be.

#3. Casino keeping up the money? User or winner didnt take those winnings? This is something an impossible thing to happen or
something which is unbelievable.

Totally agree with you in this one. I am a KYC apologist (cause hell it allows me to gamble on my favorite casinos lol) but at the end of the day some of them just don't sit right with me. For instance, on Stake you undergo different KYC verification processes for when you withdraw your funds, or when you make the deposit. You literally have to do it over again if you've already done it once which to me isn't that much since I'm a patient guy and I don't take my 5 minutes that seriously, but for blokes out there this isn't good.

Some casinos on the other hand as you said, execute KYC in exploitative ways, like not asking you to KYC when you deposit money but asking you for it once you win, or suspecting you of fraud which could either ban you and lock your funds forever, even though you're not. These are just some of the ways these casinos, whether reputable or not do to trick their people into doing this process. All because they are still under the impression that people hate KYC so much they'd try their hardest to avoid that shit. Which is totally untrue.

Would definitely do, I just hope I remember it lol. I've pretty much given up on trying to skip it and there's a LOT of problems that can come up whenever you try to KYC late in the game, as proved obviously by a lot of other people. Would rather do it now than then since no matter what, I'm still going to do it.

As for max win, not really. I'd much rather be afraid of being in a casino with an ass support. Getting a max win on a casino with good support can potentially be pretty comfortable since they'd be willing to help you but with a bad support? Goodluck even finishing KYC>

Idk about the third one, that's more legal ish in terms of answers imo. Wouldn't say it's money laundering though since it's under the casinos own legal terms if I was asked about it.

If I will be depositing significant amount of money, and I feel that I have the chance of good winnings, I may not submit KYC docs right away, but I will make sure that the details that I entered upon registration are my actual details. So if the casino asked further details/docs, I won't have any problem completing it.


You should not be afraid as long as you believe you are being truthful about all the details that you submit to them. Also, better play on a reputable casino/bookie, much better if they have active thread in this forum. Because if your complaint is valid, a lot of people will help you out to get what they owe from you. I guess, that's one perks of being here in the forum. So long you are being honest with your case.


I am not very well verse on this matter. But you need to carefully read the ToS of each site regarding their AML/KYC policy. As it may varies from one licensing authority to another. Better check their terms on how they will address the situation at hand. If they have the option to withdraw your money, of course, better withdraw it rather than fight them as it is hard to prove that you are not laundering the money. This is a long battle if you push thru.

Are you for real? Well, I've not met such casinos before that will stop me from completing my KYC when I am ready. They might be flexible about this by not forcing you to do it as quickly as possible, but restricting me from doing it is just out of it. And I advise anyone in that situation to find their foot off that casino pretty fast because they can't be for any good in the long run.

How can a casino stop you from doing what is lawful? That must mean they have some ulterior motives and if you are a good gambler or want to withdraw a huge amount of money, a problem is probably lurking for you in such an establishment. This is not until they wait for fraudulent activities from your end, they can crook one thing or the other, so "half a word is enough for the wise."

It is not a big deal for me to complete the KYC process upon registering with any company and before depositing my money. As a matter of fact, that is what I usually do to save myself from the later issues of any company.

Well, these days, the fear is there due to how casinos and sportsbooks have treated people. This is not particularly true for all though, nevertheless, if it is happening around us, the doubting fair will possibly be attached. Regardless, we should continue to do our thing and when we are lucky to win big, we should provide the needed details and documents asked of us.

In case the casino continues to prove stubborn, try to call them out on the relevant social media and website outlets, and also consider the option of suing them with them paying all the legal charges if you win the case.

First, the casino is not the one that is avoiding money laundering but just obeying the law and supposedly operating with the authorities of the land in accordance with the AML Acts. They are two different things, the law only tied them. However, not only casinos are guilty of this, but all companies collecting people's deposits, they are mostly cheating shamelessly in this regard. Enough money would have been stolen using this scheme, notwithstanding, this is not money laundering unless the company later launder the money.

It's mere stealing by trick.

You can't be rich enough to not enjoy the max win or Jackpot, it's always a great pleasure for everyone. The problems associated with the win, be it KYC or the obligation of sharing the winnings with someone, are laughable, to be honest. After all, the worst thing that can happen is that you won't get your prize or a part of it, but you won't end up in the worse conditions than before, unless you will harm yourself intentionally.

Yeah, that's the thing, rich and poor both have the same odds, and they will win and lose with the same probabilities, which means that both will be losing money in the long term in the most common pathway.

Of course you can make money gambling, but it is so rare that it might as well called a null event.

It's not that rare, if you think of it. Millions of people win each day, but, of course, they are not winning life-changing amounts, rather, something they can spend on little trinkets or a restaurant visit.

I think it's wrong to keep saying that no one wins in gambling, mainly because it's not true. The truth is that you are likely to lose, so, you shouldn't make plans about making money through gambling. But you can gamble for fun and you can win like many others, that is true also.