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Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed  (http://https:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nnd23d505o.amp) in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

As described on the news channel. It’s due to the bad weather which is convincing since multiple high officials casualties involved while other chopper land safely. Normally, all chopper will be brought down to remove potential evidence for the assassination yet the survivors never mention any hostility against them aside from bad weather.

This is crucial since they a recent tension against Israel while the president still have the say for nuclear progress.

I am certain that will rise some conspiracies, but i would go for occam's razor in this one because if you can't see 5 meters in a fog, you shouldn't go and fly helicopters next to mountains. Obviously people will try to make sense of it as something other than "act of god", but these things happen and conditions definitely support the idea of it being an accident. If they would be nobodies flying, no one would even blink twice before ruling it as an accident. But now it's going to be conspiracy because president chose to risk his life in a bad weather?

It's like the rich submarine guy who died in usa. No one believed it would be other than accident, even lots of people would benefit for his and his son's death.

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

If there's no reason, there's usually no outside involvement, but in this case there's such reason: a warning.
Iran has recently angered some powerful nations with basically unlimited resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone placed a small explosive device on that helicopter and waited for a good moment (bad weather) to detonate it. I'm talking about a micro device, the size that could cut a wire or sever a hydraulic connection. An IED the size of a coin.
If it wasn't an accident the Iranian side will probably want to keep it a secret anyway because they don't want the world to know their security detail had a mole, or failed to protect heads of state.

I believe this could have not happened in a more unfortunate context, to be frank with you all... Inevitably, there will be people who will point out to Israel and even the United States as the authors of this incident, even though they did not have anything to do with it and was an accident/engine malfunction.
It would have been completely different if this happened in times of peace, when the news and the people from all around the world did not have their eyes stuck to the reality of what is going on in the middle east, now this is different.

All this mess could be translated into an escalation of the conflict if it is not handled with care by both the Islamic Republic of Iran and also the United States and its allies.

Let us hope and pray there will be no further accusations and no represals as a consequence of this happening.

Although you are right but it has came to my knowledge that helicopter doesn't just crashed like that even if the whether is bad but can only be crash by assassin's, that is either they have make a deal with the pilot or they plant a bomb in it, which might lead to the crashing because it can't just crashed without the notice of the pilot and then they will inform everyone to take hold of the parachute for someone to just survive.
Well it's only God that knows what really happened and what might prompt the the plan to crashed, because he can see beyond our sight, let's just pray for their souls to rest in peace.

Possibly be that there could be conspiracies which might either be traceable in time or untraceable. But since it's not mentioned yet that it was a linkage of being a homicide action, let's not intend to fumigate falses but like I said, there're lot that the media are always keeping off from the public.
Sincerely expressed, the scenario doesn't detect ordinarily because there'd be chances to Suspended the flight during when they noticed the bad weather to be a safety barrier if that was the case.
Just you @darkangel11 has said, Iran has been engaged with enemies in both recent and previously which could result to the accidental occurances. Let's also not underestimate the power of governments being mean to achieve their goals. It's usually beneath how we expected it.

I don't want to accuse but my heart says otherwise. Is this a coup? sabotage, or conspiracy so that the world will pay attention to this incident and the world's eyes will be focused on these 2 figures. Who will replace the interim president? Is there interference from his greatest enemy? Where are they? the media distorts the facts to cover up what really happened? Once again I had a lot of questions in my mind.

Iran top officials were not just once but more than 7 the target of assassination plans and all of them were successful, what's more, Iran was one of the countries that openly declared war on (both of them) when other countries turned a blind eye and ear. waiting 50 days after the president dies there will be a new nomination, and (both) have time to prepare a figure they can both control. Who (both) are these? I don't need to mention it and you will know. This is just an opinion that came to my mind because the media said that thick fog was covering the hilly areas. But did you know that the plane the president is on is always well checked, the thick smoke allows the enemy to hide and fires laser shots so no one detects him. So the big headline was published in the accident news.

Oh, did I go too far? I'll stop here and please give me a fact or a conspiracy!!

Every actions from inside and outside Iran suggest it's more likely an accident. Iran doesn't seem to be blaming anyone and no one are taking any responsibility of the incident. The president himself is actually a bad target even for the enemy of Iran.
The good side of the death of current president is Khamenie now have to chose another person. He's already at his old age and has a lot pressure within the ruling elites as well from the general public. To make the people happy, he might go with a moderate candidate that people would at least have some hope on.

The saga blowing within the locality of Iran and those who are instigators to inflame chaos would always want to have the accident pointed on Israel due to the current crisis going on among the two countries.

It was confirmed that the helicopter was not intercepted in the air neither was there a match to say there was a launched attack on the helicopter during when it landed. https://l.kphx.net/s?d=4969006625157214672&extra=&g=56f2378cb897d447e33ad09744d806d3

So it is odd to say that there is a body responsible for the crash of the helicopter since it has not be verified and proven.
So I think it would be more healthier for the good of everyone to say it is either mechanical fault or the described weather conditions was the cause in the main time.

Your right is good we stay in the lane if the news no matter the existing inflict weather open or hidden to avoid moving faster than our shadow been cautious and choose of right words in passing information is good , words have negative and positive implications in this case using the positive words is very important because this kind of losses is very painful and can trigger conflict if people speculate what is not verifiable as facts over the accident.

Even if there is anything contrary to the reported news I think is to work with it and allow more facts to be revail before saying anything that seem speculation.

The evidence indicate this was an accident.

Namely the last photo of the helicopter lifting off the ground shows rather clear skies [1]. And the weather is known to change abruptly these days. For example where today where I live, for about 20 minutes at about 3:00 PM skies went completely dark as if it were nighttime and it rained heavily.
The sudden fog later that day looked like this[2].

Anything else being said on the internet with conspiracy theories are just attention hungry idiots trying to get views.

The only reliable source that can change this narrative is the Iran intelligence service. So speculating about it is pointless.

[1] https://www.jamaran.news/fa/tiny/news-1632168
[2] https://isna.ir/xdR8Fz

The president of Iran is elected by people's vote not by the leader. The leader himself is also elected through voting! He doesn't "choose" someone to be the president.

The dates for candidate registration, advertisement and the election date have all been set already. It's in about 50 days.

Everybody is giving their own version of conspiracy theories that it could be Israel or USA, let's assume that the accident was planned to assassinate Iran's president, let's not forget that it can be an inside job, enemies within his regime or his oppositions could be behind it.

Until a concrete proof is ascertained that the accident was planned, I think that the whole world should just accept the unfortunate incident as what it is, an accident that claimed lives. People are reading meanings to this helicopter crash because it involved a notable individual, we should always remember that we've been hearing about plane and helicopter crashes before now, so it's nothing new.

Don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist, but these governments have technology that we can't even fathom exists. They spend million, billions of dollar into weapons, rockets, nuclear capacity but forgot to buy new helicopter?  as per report that the helicopter age was between 40 to 50 years old? What was a turkish drone doing in Iranian territory in all that fog ? It's very possible that they took him down.

this accident was quite strange, because how could a president travel using an ordinary plane without strict escort and security? this makes us question whether this accident was purely an accident or intentional by political opponents or people outside the iranian government. even though the position of president of iran is not very strategic, it is quite an important position in the country and many people are surprised to hear the news. but whatever it is, someone must have planned this accident, because the incident was so strange and raised many questions.

I don't think you're right,Iran president is the Most hated ruler in the middle East,he is a Tyrant and a cruel leader,the people of iran never loved him. He has been backing and financially supporting Several Islamic Militants/rebels that are causing havock/destabilizing the middle East. I think it was an assassination,the Israeli and United States might  been responsible for his death. Afterall who want a cruel leader to lead them.

I sometimes wonder where some people get their information from that is so far from reality that it is hard to believe their accounts are real!

The only groups in "Middle East" that hate Iran, Iranians and their elected officials are terrorist organizations.
For example for the past day or so the remainders of ISIS, Israel, Al-Nusra (rebranded Al-Qaida) and smaller terrorist groups have been celebrating the martyrdom of the Iranian president.

On the other hand people and countries across West Asia have been in mourning. In fact many of them have announced between 1 to 5 days of "National Day of Mourning". The list includes but not limited to: India, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Tajikistan, Lebanon, ... that's about a quarter of the world population by the way!

That's another weird thing which I'd love to know what it's source is that is calling a democratically elected president a "tyrant"! Maybe they don't know what that word means?! Or maybe as I said the outlets you are following belongs to one of those terrorist organizations above that is giving you such weird information; in which case you should seriously rethink what sources you follow...

I'm just going to leave these two two pictures here.
This was Tabriz
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/21/1B4c5.jpeg

And this was Qom in mourning accompanying the bodies of the beloved fallen officials as they travel through Iran to the capital (Tehran, tomorrow) and then to their final resting place
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/21/1BhXI.jpeg

Any Iranian news outlet would contain a lot more pictures and videos similar to these from across Iran and its 85 million population.

I've seen this news and the market has reacted quickly, not only to crypto but the other markets as well. I don't know if had became positive or not and typically, the media has been playing with the cause of death. So, if the actual one is due to the fact that the bad weather was there, those that are against or hate the Iranian president, they'd twist the stories.

With all of the mourning of the iranian people, we symphatize with the loss of their leader and that only tells how much they love their beloved president.

I haven't gone through all of the details of the flight but if it's actual the turbulence or bad weather, it's not questionable if it's already his time.

Now, this is another detail that I haven't seen. Anyway, a lot of different stories are coming but looking at the people united on a specific area declaring and joining the national mourning day speaks for itself on how they truly love their leader. But if the report and it's verified by the government of Iran that it's an accident, then that must be it and no new stories that have been twisted should come out.

Though, I must say that killing their political opponents while they are in the air is rather of the style of Vladimir Putin, not so much from someone like President Biden or the goverment of Israel, still the conspiracies will insue, there is nothing stopping them.
Also, it is not weird for a president of expresident to travel in an aircraft in the manner this guy did, he is not the first president to die in an apparent accident like this one, and he may not be the last.

Also, I am not so well informed on how politics are supposed to work in the Islamic republic of Iran, but is not the president rather a symbolic charge within the contry? does not the supreme leader of the republic hold all the power after all? This incident is indeed politically tragic, but it would have been something completely different and out of proportion if it was the supreme leader of Iran who died in that crash, instead of the president. One does not need to have a genius to reach such conclusion.  :P

In the political hierarchy Supreme Leader is a position that could be seen above the 3 other main positions but realistically each of the 4 positions just serve a different purposes and have different responsibilities. None of the 4 positions in Iran's political structure are "symbolic" and none of them "holds all the power"!
BTW the other 3 are:
- Legislative branch which is the parliament
- Executive branch which is the government with the president
- Judicial branch which is the judicial system with courts and stuff...

Seven Iranian people were involved in the plane crash which is the saddest news for the country of Iran.  Because he Ibrahim Raisi was the best man and the strongest leader, but it could be an enmity. Because it could be a political assassination strategy, because of the planes that went there, two planes returned and one plane crashed. Although it may be mysterious to me, it is a political murder.

Ibrahim Raisi, a powerful Iranian leader, made three flights to the destination, originally intended to inaugurate the dam in Azerbaijan. After the opening of the dam, the three planes returned together to reach their destination again, but due to thick fog, the planes basically lost their way. And of the three planes that went awry, two of them returned to their destination, but the plane carrying the seven more famous leaders, including Ibrahim Raisi, did not and crashed. It could be a political strategy because how can another plane lose its way during the same destination while returning two planes? Because if this famous Iranian leader is to be taken, this may be a strategy that will allow Iran to rule more neighboring countries.

As far as I know, the President is not that relevant of a figure. I mean, the guy was travelling in a helicopter that looks taken from an 80´s movie, c´mmon this is supposed to be a a petrol-rich country exporting arms to Ruzzia crazily... is that "Iran Marine 1"?? Jokes apart, it is just crazy to fly a helicopter in those conditions, he must have been in a hurry to get to the local brothel.

In other words you don't know the Iran's political structure at all.

Have you even seen the helicopter? It was (and the rest of them are) in perfect operating conditions. Just being manufactured a long time ago doesn't mean it is obsolete. Such old vehicles in perfect shape are in use all over the world.
For example the USS Eisenhower US Navy is overusing these days was built back in the 1970's.
The B-52 bombers the US Airforce is so proud of was built in the 1950's.
Even the Airforce One that carries the US president is two 30-40 year old aircrafts.

کافر همه را به کیش خود پندارد

The news of the helicopter crash involving Iranian President Raisi and seven others is truly tragic.
As expected there are many conspiracies are already circulating. Some people are blaming Israel and the USA, but the Iranian authorities have not yet determined the real cause of the accident. The investigation is still ongoing, and we need to be patient until the reports are released. Usually, helicopters crash due to bad weather while flying.

If you have checked the helicopter maintenance records and are happy with them, I am happy too.

You are right, many of the US stuff is quite old and some of it is quite new. The air force one however has already a replacement in place and the larger carriers, like  most ships, can be refurbished to the point that only the hull remains. A helicopter is a completely different animal.

But look, I accept your point, old does not mean bad, but if you are carrying a president you should expect some reputational matters on how it looks.

I like your answer. There is also say in Spanish "Piensa el ladron que todos son de su condicion", but the one that applies here is the English: "It takes one to know one" :)

In English it is more correct to be translated to "mad men think all men mad" ;)

And Tehran today...
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/22/1prZ2.jpeg
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/22/1pVpz.jpeg
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/22/1pJJ5.jpeg

Tomorrow (last day of funeral) will reach Khorasan...

The United States is one of the reasons for this heartbreaking incident. The US had imposed an embargo on the sale of any aircraft to Iran. Because of this the President and his associates had to be martyred. This crime of America will be recorded in the memory and history of the people of Iran. America had no role in the crash of this helicopter.

The U.S. is responsible for Iranian aviation accidents now?


I was surprised to learn the Iranian President was being transported in a 30 year old helicopter, in foggy weather no less. Who would have thought that was a bad idea?

I was wrong about Iranians not Loving their Late Leader president Ebrahim Raisi.I admit it and i sincerely apologize for that. I Was misinformed and Misleaded by political Journalist/enemies of Iran. He was truly loved by his people and would be greatly missed by all the good people of the Muslim Communities and the world at large

I don't blame you though, I blame the propaganda machine in the West and I also kinda blame Iranian governments for not being able to counter that propaganda well enough on the international scale for the past 45 years, ie. after the Iranian revolution on 1979 where Iranians toppled the US backed dictatorship replacing it with democracy; after which the West declared cold war on Iran.

That's what they do in that cold war, they twist facts and create a narrative that they like for their agenda. This particular case is part of one of their 40-50 strategies used against Iran, something that is commonly known as Iranophobia. It's very easy thing to execute too as long as they have a one sided control over the media.
For example here all they have to do is find 10 or 50 crazy people in Iran (out of the 85 million) who are possibly angry due to the bad economy and would say something like "they are happy the president passed away" and then their propaganda machine puts that under a magnifying glass as if it is the entire population while referring to Iran's democracy as a dictatorship!

When there is nobody to counter that with facts, people tend to believe the only narrative they hear. Just look at how many users in this small topic said the presidency in Iran is just symbolic! Do you think any of them have ever seen any of the 177 principles in Iran's constitution (https://www.shora-gc.ir/files/fa/news/1398/9/21/4354_236.pdf)? I don't think so. They just repeat what they hear in the media or read on the internet; and they can't really be blamed.

It's kinda like what we saw in Bitcoin world too. They told people: "Bitcoin is fraud" and they believe it. That's how they curbed its adoption. People are too busy to do any research.

I sincerely express my condolences to all the people of Iran in connection with the tragic death of the country's president. I know that he was a wonderful man who was respected and loved by people, he cared about the development and improvement of his country and its people. I hope that the investigation will establish the cause of the terrible tragedy and punish those responsible. I also hear that there were bad weather conditions at the crash site. Perhaps bad weather caused the helicopter crash because if these are political games, then this is terrible.

I am wondering... Are demonstrations against the regime or against the president allowed? or only demonstrations in favour of the president and the like? You, know... is difficult to compare when only some can speak and other's can't. How big would you say a demonstration in favour of a laic (or simply without the Ayatolah) republic would be?

What meaning does this have if there is no chance of supporting anything else?

There is no doubt this is big tragic, but we never have results and investigations related to these incidents which are common in few Islamic countries few months back we have same type incident in Pakistan while a high profile General died with all ended without any investigation because things like these are common in these countries internal politics.
But I was really surprised with having updates related to this because Iran is rich country which is doing all good in last few decades despite having restriction's from the USA as they are having strong allies like Russia, China and India so still having trouble in aviation is not understandable even all is calling for this as incident, but we can have some internal thing after few years.

If I recall correctly there were some serious demonstrations a couple of years ago against the regime of Teheran and the way women are treated by the police who is supposed to regulate the morality and conduct of women who walk around in the street and stuff. I think it is actually called the morality police there in Iran. Anyways, during those protests, there was quite brutal prosecution by the regime against protestors and I even recall there were some people who participated in the protests and one they got captured, they got a trial (perhaps not the fairest one) and got sentenced to death. Not sure on what the charges were about, but they were probably religious, something related to apostacy or rebellion against the state.
The point to be done here is Iran is not way a country where the political opposition would be left alone to peacefully protests for a change, either a political one or a societal change. This event and ceremony being held by the state can be both broadcast and be displayed in this manner because of the huge sponsorship and blessing it has by the state itself.
Pretty similar to what we would expect to see here in Venezuela when one of the leaders of the socialist party passes away.

Are demonstration against any regimes in any country in the world "allowed"?

What did the French regime do about 2 years ago when people were protesting the police brutality after they shot a 17-year-old kid in cold blood? They announced Martial Law!
And this is what they've been doing to the Yellow Vest movement in Europe for years:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/10AMo.jpeg

What are they doing in US and Europe these days to students who are protesting their regimes' support of genocide in Palestine? They are beating them and arresting them and these are peaceful protestors who aren't even looking for a domestic regime change!
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/10HJT.jpeg
...

2 years ago there were riots in Iran, majority of whom were singing a "regime change tune" (or rather a color revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution)). At most a couple of hundred participated in it (out of 85 million population of Iran).
In the same month there was anniversary of the Islamic Revolution victory that toppled the US backed dictatorship. Tens of millions participated in that, a record high which was exactly because of these riots were threatening Iran's safety and were being globally advertised as "the majority", the advertisement which is exactly the reason why you are asking this question here.

How big is such a demonstration you ask? Not even a tiny one according to what we've seen.

Nobody is arrested in Iran for "protesting". Any arrest is either for riots (damaging public or private property), acts of terrorism, acts of espionage and stuff of that nature.

As Trump's National Security Adviser John Bolton confessed on BBC in his live interview, those riots 2 years ago in Iran were orchestrated by United States (operation with the codename Zhina) and it US was arming foreign terrorists (mainly Kurdish separatists that were members of an international terrorist organization called Komoleh) and sending them into Iran.
What Bolton confessed to are acts of terrorism and espionage at the same time.

As for the death sentence, capital crimes such as first degree murder get that sentence. In all cases I've seen from 2 years ago there have been a public court and the videos of the murderers committing the crime (ie. indisputable evidence of the capital crimes) have been available. Such videos are available on the internet already, they're in Farsi though.
For example in one case that took place on Karaj-Tehran highway, I was close to the scene myself. A small group of terrorists shut down the highway by dumping large stones in the middle of it, creating traffic. Then they started attacking the stopped vehicles. In the middle of that chaos a young kid tries to clear a small path so that vehicles can escape. The terrorists seeing this start attacking him with knives and stones (and later they bring out their guns) and brutally murder the kid. Here is some screenshots of the video they recorded themselves of their acts of murder!
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/10u0a.jpeg (https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/10u0a.jpeg)
The photo on the top shows the murderer hitting the already dying kid in the face with his own shoe.
The photo on the bottom right shows the murderer pulling the dead body of the kid to the side, in front of the cars to block the cleared path and continue the blockade.

The trial these murderers received wasn't just fair it was also more than they deserved.

Can you tell in details on what reason the US palced an embargo on the Iranian government prohibitedly on the purchase of aircrafts? I'm totally unaware.
You may actually have got things twisted because you're directly an indirectly saying the US is responsible for the helicopter crash and other hand that the US has no role to the crash of the same helicopter. So if I should go by your thought, literally Israel as suspicious hands may be pointed at would then not take the blame, huh? And should be accepted that it was accidental aviation incident.
But While experts are still undergoing research, let all hands be folded without the accuses and keep eyes on the watchlist.

Protests against the government and against government actions are allowed in liberal regimes in general yes. If they are violent protests, there is intervention - proportional intervention, most of the times anyway.

As far as I know and see in the streets, I can protest about anything, including the acts of Israel in Palestine or the acts of Hezbollah in Israel or both if I want to, with very few and very reasonable limits.

I have protested myself about many things when I thought it convenient and did not heard of people in general sentenced for just protesting peacefully or having thousands of people in jail like during the latest protests in Iran, much less being hanged. Martial law requires generalised looting or violence or the like, again in general.

The problem is that you are comparing a regime in which people do not have a say or are monitored by the Theocrats with regimes in which you can vote peacefully. In one, you are protesting because you cannot change it, in the other you are protesting because you do not agree with the majority and want to make your problem visible to other.

As you can see, it is a completely different thing. Also, blaming any problem in an external "enemy" is kind of a cliché, I think that people in Iran have heard that so often that probably chuckle at it by now.

What I see here is that the regime is using the death of this president to somehow show that people support them after the massive protests after the death of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests) Mahsa Amini. They, as you, know that a good image is an useful tool :).

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107123490-1663938696613-gettyimages-1243387458-AFP_32JR9ZT.jpeg?v=1709288062&w=929&h=523&vtcrop=y

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DMsGu-SaYNk/sddefault.jpg

I think that if the US wanted the regime in Iran gone it would be something achievable. But they are too useful to keep the Arabs in the gulf check.

So you agree with me that US, UK, France, Germany, ... are not liberal regimes at all. :)
You can't be a simple worker and join Yellow Vests demanding a better life in Europe because you'll be arrested or worse be maimed which usually is losing an eye or two.
You can't be a collage student in Columbia University, MIT, UCLA, ... and protest against support of genocide because they'll silence you even if you are a handicap person like this kid:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/1lg2c.jpeg

That was a cute joke by the way ;D

Those are your words not mine. You can protest peacefully in any of those countries. Can you in Iran?

 A different matter is if you try to violently impose something in those countries. Are you?

It is so simple: You are free to make your view known and convince others in most western countries, with very few limits. You are not free to damage property or injure others. In Iran you cannot make your view know, period.

That means that all this show of condolences means nothing, as there is no way of expressing any other view. I know you need to say something, but you need to find something realistic to say first. This comparison is ridiculous.

BTW, yellow vests protest on the price of gas mostly (interestingly, Iran coin is going down the pit with a 50% decline during your "beloved" president mandate. Yellow vests have 3 million members, most of them in the same physical condition as when they joined an free to speak and act peacefully as much as they want. If you start burning cars in the street or acting violently, you will get into trouble.

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Tell that to the 2000-3000 arrested students who were peacefully protesting the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Or tell that to the 4000-5000 Yellow Vest protestors in Europe that have lost a limb over the past couple of years just because they wanted "economic justice" among other basic rights.

Your problem is that you've read some propaganda in Western mouthpieces (I'm guessing one of them has been BBC) and think you understand what is happening 6500 km away in another country while you don't even know what is happening in your own.

So does that rule only apply to UK or does it by any chance apply to other countries?
Maybe you don't consider people's shops that was burnt down as property because it was in another country? Or maybe you don't count banks as property? Maybe you don't count ambulances and firetrucks as property? As long as these things are being damaged in anywhere but UK!

How about hospitals? Maybe you don't count them as "property" as long as they are in Iran?
The below picture is the result of the terrorist attacks you referred to in previous page while insisting on using the word "peaceful" to describe them. The same project that John Bolton and many other Western politicians have confessed to being behind...
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/1xEa2.jpeg

In any case, I'll stop here with only telling you that you don't know anything about Iran as long as you are reading some Western mouthpieces be it mainstream media or on social media. I'll stick to your own country and worry about what your own regime is doing if I were you ;)

Again, you need to say something realistic. Please confirm that you are stating that 4000 people of yellow vests lost a limb due to undue police action. Next step is me asking for your source.

Please, confirm that you are stating that there are 3000 people arrested for peacefully protesting about the actions of Israel in Palestine. Feel free to put a credible source before I ask. Please note the difference between "detained" and "arrested".

Answering to your edit... you are aware that I live in my country (which may or may not be the US) right? You are aware that I do protest and say whatever I want and I have all my bodyparts in order?

BTW how many people in Iran protest when their government sells Shaed drones to Ruzzia? do they know?


I think that you cannot speak or protest peacefully in public in Iran. do you disagree?

Feel free to answer without a picture, it is starting to make you look like a propagandist of the regime ;)


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Facts are the enemy of truth.

So why shouldn't I post facts that contradict your posts? Your false claims based on truths manufactured by the mouthpieces you follow that are designed to "wash brains". Outlets that end up turning you into this, someone who says "show evidence" in one post and in another post below that says "don't show me any evidence" just because what was posted contradicted what the mouthpieces had told you initially and you want to continue believing that no matter what. This is also why you stooped to name-calling at the end, that's resistance in the face of facts.

I guess is that if facts and truth are opposites in your world, we may have a difficult conversation here.

You do not have to answer. You just may want to.

Can you protest freely and peacefully in Iran?

Are people in Iran mostly supportive of selling the weapons that kill Ukrainians?

Are people in Iran mostly supportive of the Theocracy?

does people in Iran have a say and the possibility of changing the law if they think is not fair?

As said... you do not have to answer, sometimes silence speaks more than words.

What's a local situation in another country has to do with you?

Why don't you tell me if all those people living under the British dictatorship in the remaining colonies OK with having an old dude ruling over them and robbing their resources?
Why don't you tell me whether all the occupied countries like Scotland OK with not having their independence after all these years?
Why don't you tell me whether English people are OK to sing an anthem that has nothing to do with their country and is just praising an old woman (I guess now an old man) someone they never chose to rule over them?
Why don't you tell me whether English people are OK with sending 2000 pound bombs to a terrorist organization that has murdered 35000 innocent civilians in Palestine over the past months?
Why don't you tell me whether English taxpayer are OK with sending between 2 to 3 billion pounds of their money annually to the Zionist regime guilty of 76 years of apartheid and genocide?

Those living in a glass house don't throw stones...

We can have two opinions regarding this, its either we believed that its a death that occurs naturally or take it as a planned and framed incident to claim lives instantly without any trace, but one thing am rest assure of concerning incidents like this is that everyone of us will die and each person will receive the recompensate of what he have done, be it good or bad, life is very short and we must value lives more than power.

So now... are you going to keep sending Saheds to kill Ukrainians, that never ever lifted a hand against Iran?

It's inevitable truth about life, though is deeply disheartening to see this sudden incident happening when the nation is a little bit in organizing itself against any attack from it enemies, just one we need believe on what the media has out in place as the course of the accident as anything contrary may be of speculation and may course meharm instead of good. I believe more facts will showcase in appreciate time as politics keep entrenching  but one thing is sure that is a saying that I hold most that only the death can speak better one what take their life, I see facts in this saying more than what the living may speculate.

There are lot of rumours which is making rounds on internet but I don't think it's an assassination but rather due to bad weather and to be honest he was no saint to gain sympathy as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days and there was no need of anyone either Iran or Israel to have him assassinated. Let's just accept the fact and move on.

Social media mainstream media is full of memes and jokes about things related to Iran and USA with everyone is having his own view about this all but nothing is officially as we all know Artificial Intelligence can create more than we can expect, so maybe this is internal issue maybe this is from any other country with most chances it's all about weather and problem into helicopter which was carrying this late president.
Even Israel involvement is also possible but right now we can't talk about these all with just wait and watch hopefully all will be ok, and we will have no war or another conflict in this region which will stop this development which is happening for some time.

I fail to see what is the difference between one president that is a puppet and some other president who is also a puppet. Perhaps I am oversimplifying this, but will anything change other than the guys who will get the money from corruption? Maybe not even that?

It is true that seven people were killed, including the president of Iran. But my question is what did the security personnel do, since two planes returned in the misty four-five surrounded by rain, how come another plane was lost at the destination. Because what they did by satellite and the network was so weak, could not track the location anyway. The crashed plane was found after a few hours after the plane crashed. So what did the security personnel do for so long? Did they fail? Is it political murder?

Maybe it is common to you but you notice it is not common by any means. Please note that the three planes were together and took off simultaneously to arrive at the destination, but the two planes returned despite the fog in the airspace, but only the plane carrying Ibrahim Raichi and seven other people crashed. I think there must be mystery here, because his communication system with the country of Israel was not very good which caused it to kill in hostility. Because the plane that Ibrahim Raisi was on was made by Americans, that's why I think that this plane was planned and killed.

The preliminary report was released by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Iran. It's pretty much as expected. The sudden weather change, loss of visibility, colliding with the mountain, and finally crashing.

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You mean the courts held for the members of an internationally recognized terrorist organization known as MEK that participated in slaughter of 317000 Iranians directly and indirectly during the full scale invasion of Iran in the 1980's?

No he wasn't directly involved in that legal process AFAIK and those weren't "execution order" those were a wide range of sentences according to Iranian constitution depending on the crime committed by the members of this terrorist organization.

The death sentences is issued for a terrorist that has for example placed a bomb in a hospital killing dozens of civilians, and that is a well deserved sentence. Other sentences like prison terms are issued for other crimes such as cooperation with the terrorists an the invaders like gathering intelligence on forces defending against the invasion, handing over hospital details to aid the bombing, ...

The narrative you are proposing is very interesting, but regarding of how accurate, it is likely that this person had many enemies so if it was not an accident, well, good luck with the investigation.

As said, it does not seem to change anything, some other similar guy will be there in a month.

On the helicopter, it was an US helicopter. Iran cannot (legitimate) get spare parts for an US made helicopter. Spare parts for planes and similar is a market well known for the false spare parts and the risk of using false spare parts. One could think that they may have been using "home made stuff" for repairs.

BTW will you stop sending Sahed drones to Ruzzia so you do not help kill Ukrainians?

I'd rule this out as an accident but not totally, we all know that Iran's not a friendly country to some big countries and we all know that there's people out there that would take the opportunity to pull a trigger if they ever see the President of Iran, I like to think that this is an assassination but made it to look like an accident, that's the only explanation to this and now that Ebrahim is out of the picture, I'm going to be pretty sure that they're going to make a lot of changes in the country.

Yeah... of course... all problem in Iran are due to "external influence".

Yeah! With that kind of scenario, no one would further investigate such cause of incident because it clearly shows how it ended up but because the victims are important people for their country, they would further make more investigations in order to fully prove to the public the real cause of that accident. Right now, there is no other chance to flip the real cause of it because there is no further evidence other than concluding it was an accident caused by bad weather. But surely those who were checking the weather conditions before the flight won't get away with it because of their inconsistency in checking the weather.

I don't really like conspiracies, it seems like this was an ordinary accident, the only thing that was different was that the passenger was a president. Besides, why would a president use a helicopter with outdated technology? I mean, hey, he's the president. At least he's using the newest helicopter made in Russia, maybe, they're friends. It's strange that such an important person doesn't use a vehicle with the highest security. But never mind, I'm sure this is an ordinary accident.

I'm actually a little surprised that they seem to be taking this one on the chin.  I expected them to start blaming and bombing people, but I haven't seen anything crazy coming out of Iran.  It's almost like they've accepted that this was an accident and not some conspiracy, or maybe the conspiracy is that this was an inside job so they already know who is behind it...  Regardless, it seems like the world is a little more worried about China's next more and what's happening around Taiwan at the moment to be concerned with what craziness will come from Tehran.

You can absolutely never trust mainstream media & what they report. The death of the Iranian President could easily have been an ordered hit but we’re never going to know. Israel have claimed it was nothing to do with them but they would, wouldn’t they. I just don’t think we’re going to know.

The media is portraying the death of the Iranian president in an accident in different ways. I found different reports in different TV channels and news papers in my country. They used different headlines to show their channel, I had trouble believing the news on the day of the accident because of the different media statements, the reports were really disturbing. Later, however I learned from an international news portal that the incident was a natural accident. In the current context, the death of the president of Iran has entered the minds of many people who doubt whether it is a natural accident or was killed through a planned plan.

People like to make conspiracy theories about everything. Considering all details like very old helicopter and location where it crashed (mountains, weather conditions like fog, low temperature it looks like quite typical crash. It's not like Prigozhin's case when plane was blown up in the air. Even Iranian investigators said that they didn't found nothing suspicious. But no, some dudes on internet knows that it was assasination.
And there is not much t eliminate him as President of Iran don't have much force and his roles is small. Everything is in hands of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei

I will say that what generated the death of this president is because of a political crisis because before a president take off with a flight or helicopter to travel to a mile 20 to 50 km away from the Residence of Presidential Villa those there to most of undergo test from the engineers to know they capacity of it so what happened to this president is a political coup

Till now, Media channels telling us that was an accident, was happened due to bad weather. And no one claim or blamed or taking the responsibility for this accident. We might know more after proper investigation. But Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran is at 85 years old now. He has lots responsibility and pressure to handle. Which is already increased. Now they need another leader to lead iran. And if you are looking for something else about accident, then it'll takes time. Till now, we can only have Media news to trust

Iran's president is embroiled in a conspiracy, involving Americans. Because during the war between Israel and Palestine, Iran has the biggest support for the Palestinian side. So it doesn't like either America or Israel to attack the air route. Maybe it was a ploy by the pilot because if he had controlled the plane properly the plane would not have crashed.

happened before now should be the best on assuming this problem between Palestine and the Israel is not in existence I don't think that the president of Iran would have died in helicopter crash so I don't know the exact thing that we talk when you see the truth maybe there is hand from Israel or from US government to make the pilot to miss Direction that cost a crash

From the current investigation, there has been no trace of foul play in the helicopter crash. Further examinations are going on to determine the cause of the crash. I don't understand how you expect a pilot to control an aircraft that has developed a fault in the air or going through turbulent weather conditions. Many presidents and top businessmen have died from helicopter crashes, so it could be just an accident.


The president didn't take off from the presidential villa but from Iran’s border with Azerbaijan after the inauguration of a dam project. And I am sure Iran has some of the best aeronautic engineers that would have certified the plane safe to convey the president. There have been no reports of any power tussle in the Iranian top political hierarchy, so you are just speculating without proof that he was murdered by his people.

Well i agreed, Many people are explaining the death of the president of Iran and all those who were associated with him in many ways. Many say Israel is responsible for their deaths, while many say America is responsible, but Iran says the helicopter crashed due to bad weather.

Media doing his dirty part in this all accident which is surely not acceptable, but currently we can't do anything just having accepted this truth this was an accident which happen due to bad weather but still again, and again we will have all things after some time because we can't ignore few other theories and things which are happening around recently.
But still here we have the best thing which has come from the official of the Iran authorities they are saying this all was accident and happen due to weather.

Because it does not matter. They have 100 similar to this one, from the same school and similar "curriculum".

In any case, it is very difficult to tell if it is an accident or not. If is sabotage, it was very carefully planed and happened just in the "perfect day" with awful weather, an  old helicopter (US made), in a mountain... Just too difficult to tell for sure.

Iran has so far attributed the accident to bad weather, but the media has mixed opinions. On the contrary, not much information is being given from the side of Iran because only Iran can say better. However, many consider this accident to be a natural accident.

In above posts already mentioned few things related to this all with situation is not clear, but we have to accept this which is announced by government and their official media about this all happen due to bad weather and nothing else but still inside job is also possible with many other things, but I am really surprised why officials are having no helicopter as they are having weapons rockets and many other amunations which they can use for humans and other countries then why have no this important thing.

The most famous president in the path of Islam was Ibrahim Raisi, on whose death many countries distributed sweets among their people. One question in my mind is three planes 3 together two planes came back safely but Ibrahim Raisi plane didn't come back. It may be the saddest and most repulsive political death, the death that has pacified all guilty nations. And because they are independent, many countries distribute sweets on the death of Ibrahim Raisi.

This guy who was chanting all day  death to america was flying an american built 40 years old helicopter? Can't wait to see Modi in a traditional pakistani outfit visiting kashmir!
Just as russian politicians , the lgbtq+ west is evil, but let all buy mercedes rolex and iphones and send out sons to Americans universities!
Iran was telling others to boycott Israeli and american products and look a this shit! Pretty sure behind the camera they are stuffing themselves with BigMac and KFC buckets!

Maybe it's an Islamic president to you, but he was a universal president. But it was due to bad weather that the plane crashed.  Iran was one of the country's biggest supporters, setting sail whenever the weather conditions were bad and without warning.  But here the fault lies with the security personnel as no message was sent to them despite the worsening weather conditions. That's why the plane lost its way and crashed, the people of Iran are blaming the weather.