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Today I'm going to address a slightly more serious subject. Do you know these meaningless bets? What do people usually do in circles with friends?

Children's bets like: you can't do it (any random action within the context and environment), I'll bet my salary...

If the bettor has bet something... be it money or some personal item, is the bettor obliged to pay? What does your jurisdiction say about this?

But now, what if a person bets something in a joking tone (e.g. betting on his salary) and a conversation that was supposed to be a joke ends up becoming hysteria, where the man may have said that because he was drunk or was naturally exalted due to the heat of the moment... remembering that in this example, he bet his salary, and if he won he would not win anything from the person he bet against (he just wouldn't give the salary to the opponent who would receive the bet...), can the person who would "win" the bet force the friend who made this childish bet?

Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?

What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...

Or as long as everything was done in a contract that such unusual types of bets would be worth?

You can use as a source of argument, this news that I will leave linked here.

In the examples below, the news that a man bet that he would take the virginity of a religious woman, ended up marrying her because he fell in love in the process, but a friend let it slip that this was the result of a bet between co-workers, the what do you think about that?

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https://www.metropoles.com/vida-e-estilo/mulher-descobre-que-marido-fez-aposta-para-tirar-sua-virgindade

https://extra.globo.com/noticias/page-not-found/homem-viciado-em-apostas-perde-mulher-em-jogo-ela-estuprada-por-um-grupo-24798954.html

Yes I did. I bet or dare to went out of town and treat all expenses and ending up doing it cause I was totally wasted due to alcohol, since my friends thought I was dead serious about it but when we arrived at the place I totally clueless why we are there cause I asleep when we went there.

Thats too serious if bet were indeed tied up to a contract. There are some bets among peers that needed to be considered as joke sometimes. Like in my case I was just over alcohol thats why I am brave to do that but in reality it isnt really my thoughts on that dare.

From what I understand what is bet is, both parties involved most stake something so that whoever losses will have to miss something. If a bet is only on one person, I will not call it a bet. The casino or sport bets that we use for our staking activities have a lot of money in which we can win, and it is because of this money that is making a lot of people to gamble, because if you win, you will get paid and if you lose, the casino keeps your money. So betting only on one side shows a sign of unseriousness a joke to me because it is only the bettor that will lose. Sometimes, those kind of bets are done orally, and should not be taken as a bet. I have not involved in such game because I feel it is cheating, because I know my friends they will definitely want you to do whatever you said. Will I call such a promise or something.

Children can joke with things, so we should know that. The way the challenge sounds that's exactly the same way the opponent will sound too. The easiest way that children pick up a challenge is from arguments, when an argument occured they won't know who's right and who's wrong and before you know some will say "oya let's bet" and another person in their mist will agree, either with money or personal things. Children aren't that serious on bets, most children don't bring out money/anything when they want to bet because they know that it's not a serious deal but if you want to know children that are serious in bets, the ones that knows that they are not wrong will be the first people to bring money and put on the table waiting for the challenger. And like wise adults too, some adults that bets without taking the bets serious, end up being into trouble.

If the bet is amongs a group of friends then they can reach an agreement that he doesn't have to fulfil that bet. He can do something in place of the bet so everyone is happy. This will not be the case if it is made with a stranger because the stranger may not be as understanding as your circle of friends. Therefore be slow to make these "careless bets" when emotions are high or low.  
I haven't but I know someone who bet his car. Lost the bet and lost his car. That didn't hurt so much because he had other vehicles.
The limits of a bet is to not bet what you know you cannot afford to lose. In addition, it should be within the limits of human sanity
This is the type of bets that is not in the boundaries of human sanity if you ask me. What happens when the woman finds out that she was just a bet?

I never bet using my salary as a bet because it is stupid and could cause me to lose all my salary money. There is no exact amount we can bet but using all our salary money to bet, it is not a good idea and we should not follow those people who do it. We should only bet with money we can afford to lose so that if we lose, it is money we are willing to lose.

For the example you said, it is different because it is a person's process of getting to know a woman who he then marries. Maybe he thought it was a bet and it was normal for him to say that. But during the process, he finally fell in love and married her.

Actually, there are no restrictions that bind a gambler to bet. It's all up to the gambler to determine the fate of his own life.
But what must be paid attention to is that gamblers must be responsible for their bets. whether it exceeds the limits of one's capabilities or a small portion of the money one has, there must still be responsibility for the risks at stake.

I've never done anything like that, usually, my friends and I are in the village when there are sporting events. our bet might be just a few packs of cigarettes or a few bottles of drink. we never joke with crazy bets like that. Even though it sounds ridiculous, maybe someone does something like that in this world. even if it's just a joke.

Very true my dear, before anything is called a bet, they parties must mutually stake something of value to make it a bet, because one person must either win or lose something of value be it money, property or any other tangible things available. just like the casino or betting shop that you cited earlier both of them have their money to risk and that is why they cannot allow you to play without risking your money too because if you win you will go with their money and if you lose vice versa.

gambling or betting should be symbiotic in nature because that is the fun, and that is also the reason why the bettor will take it very seriously, though i have seen friends who bet orally just to have fun and probably to keep themselves busy, gambling is also fun and sweet when you stake something reasonable because the amount you have staked brings out your seriousness.

They can call it betting, but that is not betting but 'promise'. If someone said he bet with you and only you or the person has something to lose while not having anything to gain if he or she wins, you are only promising yourselves. Betting means someone has to lose. There are two opponents that bet, there most be a loser and a winner. The winner takes the money of the loser while the winner also risked his or her own money.

I think this is the result of human stupidity. Sometimes people get themselves into difficult life situations and no one is to blame for this but them.
Regarding the man who eventually married this girl, I believe that this was the way. In the end, everything happened well and he found himself a wife, but everything could have turned out much worse. He could have caused a lot of pain to this girl.
About betting with friends, I had a bet with a friend for $100. I said that all Champions League finals are played only on Saturdays. I was sure of it. Before the bet itself, I decided to change the reward for winning from $100 to a simple chocolate bar so as not to spoil my relationship with my friend. I was sure that I would win. Imagine my surprise when I found out that Bayern and PSG played on Sunday in 2020. In the end, I lost the chocolate bar, not the $100. Conclusion: you should never get into an argument, but if you do, then be sure that you are right.

Excellent answer guys, when only one side has to lose, why should we call it a bet, given that in a bet, it must be something agreed between the pairs involved and both one and the other need to agree to bet something of value?

Now, for someone to force you to do something just because they said it out loud in a joking tone is bad character in my opinion, as it is a character defect.

This just reminds me of the scene from Fast and Furious, Dom gets nothing but respect from the loser. :D

I don't know the story inspired from the scene or the otherway round but anyway there is no point of staking something that you have and get nothing in return if you win the bet, what's the point of doing it?

It's not childish, it's stupid though.

Of course if a bet is between two persons both should honor their bets it will lead to quarell or even a fight if one party will not or cannot honor his bet, when you bet you should show that you can pay the bettor


Yes like betting on a cock fight but I really don't have enough money I just received a tip that the other cock is weak and it's going to lose, I ended up making a promissory note its a very embarrassing situation and I never did it again


No you should not bet in an unusual kind of bet, bets should be realistic and both parties should know what the bets are all about and they can honor their bets, betting is never a joke if you're going to bet take it seriously it  is different when you do it with friends and you all understand that its a friendly bet.

       -     The question is, what does making a bet do to a casino gambler? Of course the player's mind in a casino is to win, and when they win they have money that can be withdrawn when it accumulates a large amount.

And it also depends on what type of game in the casino and usually it is sports games, poker and others where someone often gets a jackpot prize in casino gambling. Right?
Or maybe they are able to bet because it gives them full satisfaction.

There was actually one time where I was on a winning streak in a physical casino. It really got into my head that I was winning so I was very cocky at that time and announced that I would bet $1,000 in one go. Well long-story short, I lost all the money that I have won that night and I even incurred more expenses along the way since I risked my monthly savings during that time.


I think the limit in what we can bet is the things that we have.

Obviously, we cannot bet something that we do not own but there may be some instances where you could bet something that is considered "extreme" in the normal sense. The perfect example here would be the infamous "Russian Roulette Game" where people would bet their own lives on a gun.

Yes, such person is obliged to pay if only the next person in question could proof they actually placed a bet on either money or something valuable. Because bet is just like an agreement, which must be honored, irrespective of whatever condition that may arise. Because what can only make such bet not stand is only if there is no witness or an agreement which binds both parties (i.e either written, audio or video record) to proof the authenticity of it. Hence, it's always good to have a bet agreement documented.

No bet is childish, because what can only be referred as childish is if only there was no concrete agreement between both parties, because inasmuch as there was an agreement between the two parties, then such bet is considered valid and must be honored.

Betting is far from this scenario, rather I think both the man and the religious woman were secretly in line ve with each other but didn't know how to express it, from the story you can see that none that so believe in religion without any interior motives will take such bet in a real scenes because she won't be having anything to win from the so call bet, and a bet is when you win something at the end of the round.


I think what happened between the two individuals is just like last ve in the movie's, where also many action need to be taken before the real love story began, and lastly I don't think anyone should ever bet with something as sensitive as this even if there is a winning bounty for the winner .

"A picture is worth a thousand words" even if there are words in that picture:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/24/LwrnP.jpeg

Probably the best lack of common sense bets in the history of betting....

You know there is no sense in betting when it's not realistic, will you take a bet from a guy who will jump in a building if he loses, and if you take a bet and win will your conscience put you to sleep if the guy takes it seriously and jump in the building.

 

I have a rule that I always use strictly to avoid breaking this rule and that is that I don't place bets on things outside of the sports betting site, which is why I avoid making predictions or betting on bitcoin price predictions in the threads that I've seen it in the games and rounds section because when a person gets used to betting on everything they see, there comes a time when that person has no limits on the things they shouldn't bet on, I, for example, have seen In my country, someone bet that my country's opposition candidate would not be able to become president of my country and that person placed his wife as a reward in case he lost. In other words, this person said that if he makes a mistake, the opposition candidate in my country will not become president of my country

So the person who guesses correctly that my country's opposition candidate will become president can have his wife. This type of bet shows that this person from my country no longer has limits on what he should or shouldn't bet on. When people reach this level, they are able to bet the house they live in, they are able to bet their children and other things. people must have limits, people must know that in betting they must have a value of money that will not pass, rules must be set, when people do not set rules and limits, then they easily lose everything

They bet on purpose and if you are into gambling, winning can give you more satisfaction though some gamblers even if they lose the money they are still satisfied because they have a different purpose in gambling and probably its more about entertainment. Gamblers have to set limits on their own as they gamble within the limit and if you want to be more safe from addiction, better not to be greedy and stay on your purpose and target.

everyone who is into gambling knows that they advantages of gambling is more of lesser than they disadvantages because any Gambler knows that opportunity of gambling winning cannot come always so there is every possibility for you to lose in your seven game you bet and the no one you can win so they decide to take anything that come across both winning and the losing and gambling as a challenge

Every gambler has his level of responsibility when it comes to Gambling activities and often times, that level of responsibility is measured by how they stake coupled with how much time they attribute to making bets and engaging in gambling activities. In gambling the common sense I would attribute this post to discussing about is actually that of being able to properly manage your stakes as a responsible gambler during Gambling activities.
This is because if you observe closely gambling addicts are classified as addicts mainly because of their inability to economically manage their funds during bets. Therefore most of them end up staking irresponsibly. As responsible gambler should stake what he can afford to lose not important funds like his salary or income earnings.

Lol I think you're taking this type of bet a little too seriously.  I think we've all made all sorts of crazy nonsensical bets over the course of our lifetimes, I sure know I have.  At this point in time, one of my friends always jokes that he owes me an entire cow because we've bet so many steak dinners that he's lost, and that I've never collected on ( I'm a vegetarian now so there's no way I'm ever going to see a payout of those bets lol).

The limits of these sorts of bets are determined by the parties involved, And depending on what the limits are, is what will determine if it's a serious bet or not. For instance imagine me betting to remit the sum of $100 million to a friend for a bet when me and him as well knows that I do not have that kind of money available to give to him even if I end up losing.

The way we used to do this then was that we have someone who would serve as a middleman to hold what we have bet with before we started playing the game. The job of this middleman was to give what we have bet to whichever party wins because we knew the reluctance a loser will have to give out what he has bet after he looses. So to avoid that, the middleman functioned very fine.

The thing is, it will be based on the friends involved in the game, as we need to remember that the game was carried out between two friends who know each other very well, and there was no written agreement on how the game will be settled if one person wins the game and the other wants to disagree.
 
Some friends will easily remit the money to whoever won it, but some will drag it along, saying they never made such a bet, knowing fully well that there is concrete evidence against them.

A man's code of honor requires him to give whatever he has put at stake should he lose on a game, regardless of if whether it was a joke, or if it wasn't. People who grew up to "it was just a joke man" end up having no cajones nor the trust of their friends when it comes to these things. Why? Cause they pull back on whatever they have put at stake soon as they realize they aren't going to win in it. That makes for a bad game and an overall bad experience for everyone involved.

So yeah, even as a joke, even if the kids are involved, if a bet was placed on the line, everyone must respect the rules of the game and no one shouldn't intervene (unless extreme events occur thereof of course) this teaches the kids some form of responsibility, as they know that whatever they put in the line, they have a real chance at losing and they must respect it whatever happens.

As for your example, it's a fucked up bet, it's a stupid bet, but it's a bet regardless, whatever happens between the married couple are for them to divulge upon, but it has to be said that they made a bet, a fucked up bet at that, that they have to respect. 

 Generally, bet or betting are done between two parties and based on my point of view, considering betting in terms of your naratives I will  categorized it in two ways,
1. Betting in an occasion of or interms of where the two parties involved will have something to win or loss as a prize.
2. Betting in an occasion of or interms of where only one among the parties will have something to lose as a prize, there are senerio cases where there can be so much believe about the possible outcome of an event.

I would say that betting has no limits and the only common sense about betting is justification of self believe, you only bet on what you believe in terms of having possible outcome, be it a joke or in real time.

I love the fact that while making the post you mentioned "useless" because from my own perspective it's absolutely an irrational act to involve oneself in a bet that might end up ruining your life or reputation but some silly shit.

At some point I thought of some of the above mention scenario as a challenge not necessarily bet because at the end the opponents doesn't stake anything and the staked thing (salary as used by OP) is just a bait to get the person in action although it turns out to be a very stupid behaviour.

There are no limits how much money we can use to place a bet but we must realizes that we should determine by ourselves. We don't have use much money to place a bet because we knows the risks and consequences of placing a big bet which will makes us lose much money. We must prevents that if we can't accept the outcomes later so we just place some money and wait for the outcomes. If that's related to my salary, I will allocates some small amount that I can use as my budget to playing gambling and I will not breaks my limits and always trying to remember my limitations. When some friends asks us to place a big money more than we usually use, we can refuse it and will stick to our limits so we don't have to lose much money. We must responsible with our money and not placing the big bet.

Basically there is nothing that limits how much money we can spend on gambling or betting, it's just that maybe in some casinos there is a deposit limit and we can deposit more money to make the bets we want, but it's true what you said we are the ones who determine the limit ourselves, Because it is our own money and we will accept the risks of the bets we make, and of course thinking that we are responsible for any decision we make is a mindset where we should not spend money that we cannot lose in the casino, because it will have an impact on our mindset that will chase defeat and eat more money lost which ends in addiction.

The size of the ability is very important in terms of betting, adjusting to what we have and what we can risk in betting is a wise thought, do not take steps what we cannot accept the consequences otherwise it will destroy our lives, but what if lucky? yes if we get lucky maybe it will be a great thing but the risk is very bad if we don't have that luck.

When someone says something like "I'll bet my salary on it!, I'll bet my house on it, or I'll bet my life on it." I don't take all of this seriously. I know it's a foolish joke or just because someone is being dragged by his own hype.
But, if someone tells me that he wants to bet against me (especially now in the Finals of the NBA) and shows the money then I would take it. Most of the time they will leave their money on me and I will hold everything until the series is done.
Last year, one neighbor made a bet against me. All drinks (alcohol) and foods are on him if ever the Nuggets win but if the Miami Heat wins it's all on me. I accepted that because it was a serious discussion and we shook our hand on it. He said it was just to make the game more exciting while we watched it and to cheer more for our preferred teams.

You're right, there's no limit to how much a gambler can bet with but a reasonable person should know their limits and bet with what they can afford to lose, for instance I can't go beyond betting with 10% of my income and anything beyond that, I see it as spending recklessly even when I win I normally withdraw about 70-80% of my profits and leave the remaining to bet with some other time.

 The gambling companies won't he held responsible if any individual bet with all their funds and lose everything, several individuals have made such mistake by refusing to set limits and bet with only what they can afford to lose and when they've lost it all you'll see them getting all emotional. Gambling is very risky but out of greed many individuals keep making mistakes that's made them lose big fund.

There are individuals that are very quick to place bet on a matter that should have ended as a simple conversation and when it's time to pay what they've hastley agree to pay  if things goes a certain way, they starts lamenting as though they were forced to make such bets. It's mostly common among children and some adults that haven't accepted to man up to the reality that they have outgrown certain practices.

Betting with your salary is totally stupid and there is no need to sugar coat it. The reason why it's deficult to hold the person that agreed to a bet  in an instances when he refused paying is basically because there isn't a written agreement between the two as to  the irrevocability of the agreement as is in the case with our regular online bets. I've seen countless number of people that have made such bets but it always doesn't end up well so it's generally not worth the time and energy.

These are jokes at best, not done in a serious mode. But if there is a legal binding involved such bets can be made valid and made to stand. However most people are who making such absurd wagers are joking and most of the time they will not go forward with such propositions.

These type of situations need to be avoided by the diligent person, keep your wits to yourself, talk less and dont argue with people who seem unreasonable. Trying to prove yours is bigger than others only leads to bad situations.

Remember, bets with too good to be true reward or return should be avoided, especially if they came from a friend, because it will only make the bet less valid because betting and staking salaray, or an important asset of a person, is sometimes a bullshit. I mean, for sure, some gamblers who bet on that in the end, if they lose, will take back what they said and will cause a conflict with the other friend. I also have those experiences where, in my circle of friends, we always do bet in NBA matches, especially finals, and sometimes the amount is huge and we dont have any problem until one of our friends stakes a huge amount of money, which seems too good to be true, and he loses, but he withdraws his stake and says that it was a joke. After that incident, we never let that one friend participate in our bets because he is not a man of a word.

That's true; in my opinion, nine times out of 10, the only intent is to joke around. No one in their right mind would laugh or enjoy seeing their friend actually lose money, unless you're a psychopath who enjoys seeing others suffer. To be honest, I haven't experienced it myself, but I understand where the OP is coming from. It would be a pretty dick and irresponsible move to persuade your friend to bet a large amount of money and then not proceed to stop them if things get out of hand, such as when alcohol is involved. Honestly, both parties are at fault in such incidents, and the one making the bet is the only one in power and shouldn't be influenced by foolish joking around.

The limits and common sense of the bet depends on both  your ability of figuring out and gambling  itself involved.  For instance, the success of the  bet on any sport event  supposes the knowledge on the vast surrounded data (depending on the type of event) while craps is almost absolutely free of figuring  but requires some  skills to roll dice which help you gain at edge when playing inside gambling shop.

The news linked in the op about the virgin woman whose husband made a bet about her virginity is beyond the limits of common sense, indeed, although it has little to do with the topic on the enforceability of the bet depending on the moment and tone in which it was made.

Regarding this, the topic is a classic in civil law, and the different systems in comparative law approach it in similar ways although with some nuances of differentiation. In most countries the intention is key to know whether the bet can be taken as firm, but as intention is an internal process of will that is not always knowable, the tone and circumstances in which it is formulated are also taken into account to protect the expectations of the other bettor in good faith.

As each case has unique nuances, it must be studied case by case.

If things were to ever go legal in such cases, afaik it's usually legal? There's a concept in law afaik about verbal promises iirc. As long as proof is provided I think it'd be enforceable if the other party wanted to? Don't take my word for it though. I did learn it from a lawyer from YT (yes, he's a real lawyer) but it may differ across countries.

As for OPs example, I don't think there's anything bad with that? Some of the things we end up in life in result in dumb decisions. If the woman was THAT offended by it then idk, that's on them. Personally wouldn't be offended. Heck, I'd even be happy since that bet was the start of a relationship.

I can clearly relate to what you are talking about, it reminds me during I passed out of from the high school and I and some friends engages on dares about approaching older girls passing by, we usually bets with what is affordable that who could have the gut of approaching the girl will take the stake.

Also as when we goes into an argument that seems never to be agreed, everyone believes they are right and to put it up on a tension, we subjects to get on the bottom line to the core to the reality point after a bet would be placed.
One would so much believe that he is on the right track and could bet his valuable such as phone that .... Ok, if I do not get this right as we ventures to find the truth, let me loose my phone. He is just being ignorant that he may loose his valuable and even winning the argument he would still not win any reward.

The real idea of placing a bet or gambling suggests that a price must be paid and a price must also be won or lost. If some bets on something where the person that was bet against is not going to win or lose anything, then it cannot be classified as a real bet. 

If you have heard about the game, "truth or dare, " where someone is being dared to do something, it doesn't really matter if it's only one person who stands to benefit from the dare. That game can not be classified as a true gambling.

 Take, for example, someone who dared you to do something and offered to pay you a price: "I dare you to kiss her and you will receive $20." And you were unable to kiss her, which means you will not win the $20, but even if you don't kiss her, you will not still pay any price to the person who dares you because it was just a one-sided bet that was only initiated by him. That not true gambling.

In a different scenario, take, for example, that you told your friend that you could kiss a particular girl, and your friend disagreed with you, saying that you could never do it, so you both decided to place a bet of $20 on each of you, which means if you succeed in kissing the girl, your friend will pay you $20, but if you don't succeed, you will pay him $20. That's a typical example of a real bet. 

If there is nothing to ensure that whosoever loses in a bet pays, then you can't really call it a bet, because the loser may end up not paying or decide not to do what they said that they would do.

Just as you deposit your money into a casino and stake it, with the casino taking custody of the money until you get the outcome of the bet, that is the same way friends must find a way to escrow the money staked amongst themselves, before going into a bet with one another.

Such kind of betting can be risky you know? There might be a point where one of your friend may decide that he must collect what he ahs won in the bet, which means he is taking it too serious and not a joke anymore. Bets involving friendship turn out into a fight and serious argument. I have seen a scenario where two friends had a bet on something and when it was time to for the winner of the bet to take what he won. The other was like it was a joke and we weren't serious about it. Meanwhile the one who won the bet wants to take his trophy without any excuse. This resulted to a serious fight and that was the day the friendship ended. My advice to such cases is if they want to bet on something based on friendship they should make the intentions open that whoever wins or losses no one is taking the trophy. And that is only but a joke bet to see who would win, no trophies attached.

When we get together with friends, we don't have to discuss gambling but just chat. Maybe another time we'll gamble together but never make silly bets. If one of us joked about risking his salary, one of us would remind him.

We didn't need to take risks by joking like that. This can affect other friends because not everyone can accept jokes from other people. We should take care of each other's feelings and not joke around by making silly bets.

Placing bets like that can negatively impact our friendships. Because of a silly bet, we can risk losing close friends. We also have to be able to position ourselves when we are hanging out with friends and try to maintain our friendly relations with them.

This is serious and any gambler that is practising this can only be termed Addicted and Irresponsible above all other things else. Gambling is not what we should take for a do-or-die affair, it should be voluntarily and enjoyed by the right minds for it. But the moment you know that you are not fitting for gambling, just quit it, or else, you will have yourself to blame in the long run. You can imagine someone betting his salary on gambling, or someone betting against his property just because they want to bet? That is preposterous and annoying, it should be frowned against in the society. Those who are agreeing to the terms of people betting on their properties or using them as collateral are even wicked in my opinion, because if I were the operator or the agent, I would rather reject that offer and offer some psychological help to the person. This is possible for me because everything is not about the money or taking advantage of the situation of the person but show sympathy and impact in the humanitarian aspect of life.

Before I go, let me say a few words of advice. Any bettor that is taking it to the extreme should retrace their steps, it is not worth it and it shows clearly that they are already Mad even if they do not realise it yet. I see these things you iterated above as absurd and anyone doing absurdity can't tell me they are well. They could be well physically, but truly psychologically, they are simply unwell, and they need to take care of that before it is late. Those people in this stage may not even need to deceive themselves with some kind of self-help anymore as it is obvious that they have crossed the red line already. They rather need professional help before something worse than losing their money happens to them.

Making jokes with bets could lead to a heated argument or even worse than that and that was proven in real life scenario here in my place that ends up for the gambler very badly. When dealing with gambling and placing bets we should be like a man of his word so things will be fun and peaceful other than that I think we are just looking for trouble.

Sometimes their judgement to make good decisions is over clouded by their overwhelming wants to win and that's why the makes these drastic and irresponsible staking amount with funds that maybe be used for other important things like feeding and family upkeep. I know of many gamblers who are just keen on the fact that they could earn money through their gambling habits, and some of them even go as far as loaning money just for the sake of betting and hoping that it turns out well for them but gambling we all know is something that's never certain especially when it comes to evaluation of winnings so they sometimes end up chasing that initial money they used and then end up even losing more.

if there was a solid agreement as to the price to be won should the bet goes in favor of one of the gamblers against the other, then you are obligated to pay because if it were to be the gambler who eventually got to loose such a game, he's most definitely going to pay but if it were to be jus a random argument without an agreement to what's to be at stake should incase either of the gambler eventually gets to loose or the other gets to win then you just have to let go because it was actually a random idea been argued upon and not like something that the gamblers were actually really serious about staking something for.

its always very appropriate there should be an agreement before anything is been staked by either of the gamblers so don't just assume there's a bet when the other party is yet to agree to the fact that you both are in abet already and so gambling with items that are most precious to you should always be given a second taught because its usually left with the winner to decide if he's going to make refunds or return that which was staked based on an understanding or agreement.

I think I do not like the implications of those bets and dares made in a tone of joking, when betting both parties are supposed to make clear there have serious intentions to wager money and pay in the case they lose.
I have seen cases in which co-workers have some argument about some related issue of the work, when the discussion ends up betting almost like a verbal fight, then one of them would usually say to be willing to bet their salary if they other person is proven to be wrong. In the end I have not seen a case in which both parties agree to wager their salaries over things related to work, I assume it was because si have only worked in clases and companies which are serious enough for their employees to solve their disputes without staking their money in such an unnecessary and reckless way.

Either way, even if people did that, it would be counter productive to the interpersonal relation of the people involved, co workers would be Sauer on the fact they lost money to other worker and that could lead the work sabotage, bulling and false accusations of unproductivity with the common boss. It is better to avoid all of this by not betting (joke or not) with co workers and friends.

A gambler could bet any amount as long as the opposing bettor would allow it and that depends on the agreement. An opposing gambler won't allow such thing if he knows that the other won't be able to pay it in return. There are just times that bets could be unrealistic but an agreement between two parties, is an agreement. However,  this isn't a good practice. This could yield to instances that you would bet an amount you borrowed simply because you don't care that much with realistic bets. Then if things will be consistent, huge dent is expected.

If things won't be avoided then yes this could spark an argument given that the opposite bettor will be expecting an exchange to  what he risked his money for.

You know those silly little bets we made as kids, like I bet you can't climb that tree! It was never really about money or anything, just bragging rights.  As adults though, it gets more complicated when the stakes are higher and  even if you're just joking around.

Like say you get caught up in the moment watching a game with your buddy.  You bet your whole salary on something crazy happening - not thinking he'll actually hold you to it if you lose! But legally, could he make you pay up? Im guessing it depends on your local laws and the specifics and all.

Anyway, my advice is to keep it light with bets.  Don't let things escalate too far just because you're feeling cocky.  Otherwise you might end up learning the hard way where that legal line in the sand is drawn!

Common sense informs you that a joke bet, such betting your entire paycheck while laughing with friends or after too many beers, isn't a bet. A jest for enjoyment. Since there's no intent to form a contract, it may be unenforceable. However, it goes deeper. It's about human interaction and silent social norms. Society would be anarchy if every off-the-cuff comment was a commitment. What about the individual who tries to collect on an exaggerated bet in the heat of the moment? The law is no longer important; what it says about him and society is. It violates respect and agreement

Not the legality of these bets, but their wider ramifications. It's irresponsible to bet your life or an inconceivable amount of money. It violates betting's essential principle of consensual, calibrated risk with both sides potential benefit. These bets convert a little fun into a toxic debt, harming relationships and morality

Many people like to place bets they can't cover. I guess they are somehow convinced of their win, for all sorts of reasons, but whatever that reason may be it's wrong to gamble with money you can't afford to lose. Many people, including myself, have experience with some crazy bets, with amounts that are big for us, but that's something we can do when we are young and alone... It's the period of life when we can allow ourselves to be crazy and explore things. But as we get older our limits for gambling and doing crazy things are getting lower, I couldn't imagine myself doing something like that. The risk is huge, I have family and I wouldn't dare to risk their future because of anything, and what kind of example I would be for my kids?

We limits ourselves when playing gambling because if we are not do that, we can lose much money without we can realizes. Many people trying to use much money but most people lose their money and can't gets it back. That's why we must have limitation when playing gambling to prevents the big lose and bankruptcy in gambling. With limiting in deposit money to playing gambling, we can saves the money from the lose while we can also enjoy the gambling games moderately. We must responsibility with ourselves and our money so we don't gets many problems because the biggest problem from playing gambling aggressively is becomes addicted to gambling.

We must knows our limits and never breaks it because that can gives an effect to our financial. It's better we playing gambling with the money we can afford to lose so we will remember that playing gambling is just for fun and nothing else. If we can do that, we don't have to worry with any effect that may occurs to us because we can takes care with ourselves.

Those are nothing, there's nothing to be gained and nothing to be taken from those bets, they're not really serious about those stuff that they're saying, that's just a thing that people say to make it sound like they're serious about the dare and that they're willing to bet something that they care about just to see the dare materialize. There's of course a limit to it but we have to remember that it really doesn't matter if there is because it's not real bets. It's weird that there's people that would take this seriously, I mean it should've been obvious that it's a joke so how come that's not the case for some people? Learn to have a sense of humor if this thing irritates you.

Well, that the reason, common sense will always be defeated by ambition and also the desire to get results that are truly beyond the limits of their abilities and they only think about how to win bigger and have to surpass every victory they have ever had.
In gambling there will never be gambler who is truly able to fulfill all his desires in achieving success, those who try more in various ways will ultimately be disappointed for all the efforts they have made.
But basically every gambler will never be able to understand concept like this when they haven't actually experienced bad things that make them feel like they have lost lot of things.

Moreover, gambling always offers new things in providing opportunities for big profits for gamblers and this causes them to forget how to control and set limits.
Things like this happen lot and so far there will only be bad impacts that they feel when they just gamble with crazy ambition to win.

Being able to limit ourselves and the bets we use to gamble is of course very good and there are some people who play gambling without being able to limit themselves and also the money they use to bet and they will of course spend more of the money they have on gambling and also will never be able to enjoy the games they play because most of them who have difficulty limiting themselves to gambling will bet greedily so that it is difficult for them to win and enjoy the bets they play.

Indeed, this is very difficult to do if they have experienced an addiction to the gambling they play and many people break it after they make these rules, gambling with money that we can afford to lose will of course be very good and we must also be able to limit it. the amount we use for gambling because if we use too much of the funds we use for gambling, of course we will become an addict too which will cause us to have financial problems.

The gambling limit depends on the financial condition if one calculates the amount  And to set this limit on how much time you gamble, you need to think about how much time you gamble that gambling won't attract you. Because when you are addicted to gambling, gambling will not allow you to sleep properly and will not allow you to be busy with other activities. Your mind will only want to gamble. so you have to control yourself and you have to set yourself the amount of gambling to keep yourself in control.

This is why you should avoid using such promising words as joke in order for such people not to take advantage of you when you are joking, or select your words when you are with such people. This is because they might not see it as a joke since they take it serious. I have fallen victim on this several times, sometimes I just do what I said I would, and sometimes I don't accept that I meant it.

Whatever that we say with our mouths without any action of staking, I don't see it as a bet. Even if two friend wants to bet and they don't have money to stake for the bet at that moment but went ahead to say it with their mouth. I don't see it as a bet, because an action of staking most take place immediately from both parties for it to be a bet.

The most meaningless and embarrassing bet I have made (and I think many of us) was in my childhood. We were playing football and the ball constantly was flying into neighbors yard. Neighbor was so fed up with us asking to return ball that he turned angry. So we played rock-paper-scissors who would be next to ask for a ball. I have lost and I was afraid to ask for a ball. I have decided to get over the fence, but when I was on the half way, the dog came out and I ran away. That is how I have lost my bet and my ball. Later that dog played with my ball and destroyed it.

I think it is dumb to bet your life or year’s salary. This is how many people loose their houses because of gambling. When gambling. Don’t loose your sense, thinking properly before you say anything. The people who win in such bets are mostly the ones who take their time to think it through. Always remember that no matter how confident you are, never ever gamble your house, or any unbelievable thing. Never!

Even if both parties didn't stake any money, maybe because it was not available at that time, if there is a sort of agreement that is either written or has witnesses, I could be called a bet. In my location, people can bet with some part of their earnings, and they will be under obligation to redeem these bets. But this kind of betting could lead to disagreement or even fights since the funds were not escrowed.

I can't remember engaging in this kind of bet but I can remember that my elder brother won such a bet. He was asked by his rich friend, to show his private parts to some ladies, and he would win a large sum of money. I was shocked that my brother did it perfectly and won the bet. It was those days when there was no smartphone or internet, so it didn't matter that much.

Does everything always have to be at stake, to the point that the fate of other people, in a very unethical context, is then used as a place of betting to satisfy mere lust? People like this are out of bounds and never understand the true meaning of betting. Because moral gamblers know what they can bet on and what they can't bet on. Is it ethical to use a woman virginity as a betting? This action is not in the soul of a man, he is just thirsty for other people's approval and has never had any morals at all.
he and his coworkers are both crazy, they will never learn what real betting is. If you feel like a gambler, come to a land-based casino and see how good he is at playing poker on the table. Being able to come out with honor and joyful victory is what a gambler is. Instead of betting on something that is not worth betting on.

If they are not sport, they will always think of that. They gamble knowing that they can lose and when they do, it is still hard for them to accept it. When they win they are not also contented with a small amount even though it is already possible to withdraw it and this is why they will only end up with nothing instead.

Those who are always seeking for a win are indeed playing those games but there is no such thing as jackpot on them. In poker there are tournaments which let you earn bigger than usual. Jackpots are usually in slot games, bingo and lottery. Gambling is created to entertain the people, therefore yes that it gives the player a satisfaction.

There are two things I can say about this. It depends on the kind of situation when the bet was made. If they were seriously speaking and had other witnesses during the time of the childish bets or so. The other who lost the bet may be forced to do as he promised even though we know that he won't do it willingly but when others who were witness agrees with the other who won, he might be forced to pay up. Some bets might be embarrassing at first. Since we did it publicly and then lost it. If we are like in a circle of our Friends then we may laugh about it and just let it pass away.

True, I agree with you that the concept of betting is an activity of both parties where the loser has to lose something they have whether it is money or valuables that have agreed to be bet, but if there is absolutely no winning object or object that is intended to be lost if it loses then it is clearly not a bet or if something that is considered a bet is only run by one party without any involvement from the other party then it is clearly not gambling.

One of the biggest reasons why someone comes and dares to gamble is because of a prize that looks tempting so this is what attracts many people to enter and get involved in the hope of getting the promised victory even without any certainty and guarantee during the process, I think it is very simple to understand the concept of gambling, and if there is something that is considered a bet but there is absolutely no risk of losing anything when he loses then obviously it is not gambling.

It's always embarrassing when you bet against someone and you don't have money to pay for it, there is an attached responsibility when you're betting against someone or a platform so be true to yourself bet only if you have the money.

No one will accept that kind of bet and it is very risky if one accepts and you lose so when you're making a bet you have to honour it or it will cause embarrassment for you and no one will take you seriously next time you might even go to a fight, if you're going to go for any bet be sure to back it up all bets are serious matters because money is involved on it.

I agree with that. It depends on the situation. Most of the time there are bets that are meant as a joke and it should be taken as that. There are times a person is carried away and he will challenge someone on a bet even though he ain't really serious about it.
I think a real bet against a friend or another person is if someone will show the money or a handshake will be done meaning you both agree and it's a deal.
I had my own share of people joking around and trying to make a bet against me, especially in the Finals of the NBA which is the sport that is popular in our place. Someone would just come near you and show $10 of money asking if you will bet against their team. That's real.
Now, if another person does the same but he is known to be a cheap guy and doesn't really do that kind of thing in his life, then it should not be taken seriously and I doubt he did too.

You're absolutely right.Gambling irresponsibly can have devastating consequences leading people to lose their homes savings and even relationships.It's crucial to approach gambling with caution and never risk more than you can afford to lose.
Taking the time to think through decisions and considering the potential consequences is essential.Rushing into high-stakes bets without careful consideration can lead to financial ruin and profound regret.
No matter how confident you may feel it's essential to recognize the inherent risks of gambling and to set clear limits to protect oneself from harm.Gambling should be treated as entertainment not as a means to financial security or as a way to chase losses.

I don't think people should take every bets too seriously. Sometime friends are just kidding with each other and say absurd things like "I bet my wage if you are successful doing something challenging". So the other friend does the challenge, but not exactly to win the bet, but just to prove he can do that. In these cases I don't think the individual has to pay the bet, because it's something absurd that should be noticed by everyone present since the beginning.

There aren't any obligations which will force the person to pay the bet in this case. And in situations where third people are involved, it's even more serious, like in the two examples mentioned by OP, being the second example a crime, since it involved sexual abuse of the women of the addicted gambler who lost the bet. That woman could have reported the men who abused her and even her husband to the authorities. That is a very disgusting situation for every parts involved, which have indeed gone too far the acceptable limits of a fair and healthy bet.

We used to shake hands with a witness present when someone wanted to make such bet. Without a third party and a gesture it wasn't valid, so if you were drunk and said I'd bet my car on that, or my house, or whatever, you were not expected to pay, you'd just be ridiculed for a while, guys would greet you by asking "where's my car" or something and laughing it out.
If you shook hands with a witness, you'd have to mediate with the winner because obviously as it happens with drunk bets, nobody will expect you to leave your house and give it to the winner, but he'd ask you for money, enough to satisfy him. If you bet your car and it's not really your car but your father's, the winner would just ask for some money. I've seen it happen when the guy bet his father's car and they agreed he'd pay 10% of it's value in cash because after losing he realized how stupid that bet was.

It also leads to fights. You don't have to joke with everything more especially gambling things, it won't end well because you might be joking with what you are saying but the next person closer to you which you are talking to won't know if you are serious or not. If it's gamble it's something serious because one have to put money for the stake to work perfectly.

Oh man, that brings back memories! The most meaningless and embarrassing bet I made was definitely during my childhood too. We were playing football, and our ball kept flying into the neighbor's yard. The neighbor got so fed up with us constantly asking for the ball back that he started getting really angry.

So, in our infinite wisdom, we decided to play rock-paper-scissors to see who would be the next unlucky soul to ask for the ball. Of course, I lost. I was too scared to face the neighbor, so I decided to climb over the fence instead. Halfway over, the neighbor's dog came charging out, and I freaked out and ran away, leaving the ball behind.

Not only did I lose the bet, but the dog ended up playing with the ball and completely destroying it. Talk about a double whammy! What I mean is that you can have any experience in your life and have some betting to have some twist on it. And it's common sense too, but you just need to be responsible of the outcome.

Should I tell you that much of what we term gambling isn't? Real gambling requires both parties to participate. Mutual agreement, shared risk. Without risk for one side, it's not gambling. A spectacle meant to make you feel like a winner

And there is "guaranteed win" techniques. Sounds tempting, right? Easy cash, no hassle. It's a psychological trick, man. They exploit human drive to win without losing. Consider those lottery systems. They guarantee a minimal investment for a big reward. Their foundation is illusion. The house always wins. They profit off our optimism and yearning for a better life. It's more manipulation than chance

Can you gamble alone? Doesn't gambling include comparing luck to others? Not a bet if one-sided. A sham. The main concern is exploitation. All around society, guy. Examine exploitative lending services. They promise rapid income but hide the risks in the fine print. Victims are desperate and don't grasp the terms

I don't know if you have ever been to a local casino shop where they are lots people actually playing virtual games with the computer system and they are some shop attendants placing these bets although most times they left to operate and stake the bet themselves but I tell you brother it's never a nice scene because that's where you find and meet a whole lot of crazy gamblers that can do all sort of shit things when they are losing and you making funny gesture will just make the whole situation or even the person betting even more pissed off and sometimes they even end up getting all physical with each other.

Such types of bet as you explained is usually for fun, and I could remember several times I've made statements like, or heard people make statements like - "I bet my dick that this or that will happen, or not happen", and in the end, the person from other end always and should understand such bet to be a joke, since even if he ends up winning, he can't actually ask me to give him my dick.

But on the hand, I've witnessed an incident where two friends were watching a football match, and in the heat of the argument, one said that he's betting his car that his favorite club will win the match, and at the end, his favorite club ended up losing the match, he was then asked to submit his car keys over, but he refused; saying that the bet was a joke, but the friend refused to accept the bet was a joke, this later lead to a serious fight between the two friends.

People shouldn't be careless in making such betting statements, for you never know what type of person the other party is, he or she might just be a trouble maker who will refuse to understand that such betting statement was a joke.

We can place a bet with our salary, which I don't doubt, but there should be a limit to what amount we can bet with and which amount we can't place a bet with.
 
If you can manage to use only a few of it, like 1-5% of your salary for gambling, I believe that won't affect your expenses too much, up to the extent that you won't have what to spend on your family.
 
Those who always used up their salary to gamble are not in control of themselves, so they planned and set limits, or it could be that they don't have a responsibility to take care of, which will always be of remembrance to them whenever they want to spend up their salary.

It is fine to use some of your salary, so long it doesn't affect your basic expenses/bills. I think that's common sense. And if you exceed your limits, then, it is your problem, so don't blame anyone why you will be putting yourself into a tight position, if in case you will incur losses on this path.
Also, bear in mind that if your salary is just enough for your expenses, better think of other things to augment your income and not gamble. Gamble only when you feel you have some spare change to play with.

When we are having fun with friends and we are drunk, we can make stupid bets, because at that time we are carried away by an atmosphere that makes us not have a clear mind, but if someone bets on something quite stupid with full awareness, it is very unfortunate, as you said. betting with his entire salary or with his house, although I have known someone who got into debt because of gambling and ended up mortgaging his house so he could keep gambling and that's not much different from them being stupid and making big mistakes in their life, but if they only bet with their salary it could be because of him he still has savings that he can use if he loses, but betting like that is not recommended because the impact is very big and can really affect his life.

Why have you edited or re-written my post, so it would look like something else?

Something's wrong when someone gambles their paycheck or house. Maybe they had a large savings account, but that's not important. Why start risking everything? Some claim it's the adrenaline rush and high-stakes drama that a board game can't provide. It's true that humans desire stimulation

Have fun and gamble properly, but don't self-destruct. Because once you start betting the farm, the whole thing becomes a drug: a dangerous, addictive cycle of highs and lows. You can have fun gambling with pals. Let's set some rules, keep the stakes low, and ensure everyone leaves with dignity and some fantastic stories. That's lasting fun, not ruinous

Couldn’t agree more. Gambling outcomes has no guarantee that it will always favor your side. But be more open that you could lose at some point because simply gambling results are unpredictable. However, betting your hard-earned money or your assets or properties is a different story, only fools do that. Instead, bet on what you can afford to lose, on what you are comfortable of losing. That is the best way so you won’t end up blaming yourself, or regretting wishing you did not resort into betting the things that you can’t afford of losing.

It depends on the people involved in such a bet. If the person who is to receive the reward for winning the bet is generally friendly and isn't always serious about such things and takes things easily all the time, I don't think it would be a problem if the person making the bet is clueless because of being drunk or not being in his senses.

However, if the person who is receiving the bet is a type of a person who takes such things very seriously, and gets very serious very quickly when someone tries to make a bet against them, then in case they manage to win the bet, they wouldn't leave let the person go like that or understand that it was a joke or the person made the bet when they were not in their senses, they will insist that they should be given the reward that was discussed at any cost.

Based on my opinion I think that a bet is only possible when the two parts of it agree on it and set a certain goal to attend in order to win a particular thing either it’s money or any other thing they both agree on and they both can handle losing if any of them don’t win.

When it comes to those kind of children bets we all experienced when we were young, like if you run fast and get to that tree first I’ll give you my toy or my share of food or whatsoever, those were just childish stuff we did and it was kind of okay for one to give away a certain toy for example. But I think that once you’re older bets like that are really not cool and irresponsible, i find it very impulsive for someone to bet his whole salary for example out of excitement not thinking it straight and for a long term.

When someone puts a bet on something he should be ready to lose it and can afford that loss, so when a sane person bets on his salary then he should pay the other part of the bet his salary in case of losing because technically they agreed on it before starting the bet. We should not forget the bet should be a serious one and both parts should be invested in it and offer to give away something in case of losing, otherwise the bet isn’t serious and cannot work. I think no one should force someone who put a bet out of rage or being drunk to give away anything when he loses, I consider it as taking advantage of the situation which completely unethical.

Now when I read about what you said about the guy who betted on taking a woman’s virginity ending up falling in love with her. I find that bet extremely disgusting, some people are so unstable and make very unexpected stupid bets because they find that fun, people like that need clinical consultation.

I would never bet on something that involves love or feelings for other people. I just want to take it for fun, like betting on my favorite sports, and that's it. This kind of story is already out of the betting picture for responsible people. You can't do that against an innocent person because not only will you hurt them when they find out, but you also lose your credibility as a person. Love is supposed to be real, and no bets should be involved in it. I find this kind of scenario in movies, and I don't know if it happens in real life, but just like in the movies, it doesn't end well when the bets are exposed.

I agree with you, but many of my friends bet only on their favorite teams and their favorite players. And this is due to the fact that they say, "I don't care about money so much that I bet on the opponents of my favorite team." And the understanding of these guys is that victory can be complete and complete only if your favorite team won, and at the same time you had a bet on them.

Even if there is no proof that we see so far, a common sense alone just like in the title is saying is enough for us to not do it because the consequences for it are so tough and we can put our own life or even the person that are close to us in danger even if we or them are not looking for trouble.

Not all those who play gambling are a man but some are woman, so the phrase "to be like a man" won't fit for them but whatever gender it is, we can also say that we should stick with our words. The thing that we are doing is still gambling and it's not always fun but it is also thrilling or can cause us to worry. That's normal though and fine that the other way around.

Of course, I know such people and I believe that almost everyone has encountered such cases when they make funny (joking) or strange (most often drunk) bets.  As I noticed, in most cases the losing party did refuse to give up the prize for the bet, due to the fact that the bet took place during general festivities and was perceived by almost everyone as a small show, and not an actual bet for the sole purpose of making a profit.

Here the age-old postulate of gamblers should be voiced: “make only the bet that you are able to pay.” :)

As in business, such agreements need to specify only those conditions that can be met. Betting your life or salary for 10 years of life is completely absurd, because they are completely impossible conditions.

I think it's normal, because there is always someone who prioritizes his favorite team over the possibility of losing or losing money, I think it's fine as long as they don't harm others, even though for example in terms of statistics his favorite team is faced with a much stronger opponent, and on the other hand I would not say that they are smart gamblers but maybe more precisely they are gamblers who are loyal to their favorite team so that even though for example the chances of winning are small they still choose their favorite team.

But this kind of mindset can be dangerous if they have an overly aggressive approach to gambling, such as betting too large amounts of money or taking risks that exceed their limits, because of course prioritizing loyalty to the favorite team but together with betting an amount that is beyond their limits in the end it will only make them experience financial problems, especially if the scenario is like what I said above when the favorite team is faced with a more statistically sound enemy outside of the aspect of luck.

The consequences of gambling are of course very serious and can even harm yourself and other people. with someone who is addicted to gambling, of course they have the opportunity to take big risky actions that can harm themselves and even other people because remembering that someone who is addicted will usually not pay attention to things around them because they will most likely only focus on things that really matter to them. I just want to. Therefore, don't do something without considering the action you want to take, we should be able to consider the action we will take first so that something undesirable doesn't happen.

It is true that gambling does not limit it to just one party, but gambling can be done by anyone, be it men or women, whether they are young or old, but most of the time it is men who prefer to gamble. Having your own boundaries is a must, to avoid unwanted things that could happen in the future. Having set limits can help us avoid behavior that could be dangerous, but I think this is only done by some gamblers, because not all gamblers can have their own limits.

Then be ones that bet with huge assets are usually very aware of theirselves and what they are doing. They have no excuse for it. I don’t see why one should take such massive risk when you can always take it slow and steady in life. That’s one problem gambling brings. It makes people lazy and try to become successful without work.

@Forsyth Jones, In my opinion every gambler should only gamble with what ever they feel satisfied with to lose. If a gambling is not willing to lose their salary, it's not advisable to even joke put on such joke that you want to bet with your salary or your life, unless it's basically on a joking ground but if it's a serious case, then don't gamble with your important properties or items.

I have not made such bet, I would not love to gamble that way. I hate embarrassing situation.

Gambling with one's life, life saving and all salary received is very wrong.