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May 24, 2024, 01:25:30 PM
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Today I'm going to address a slightly more serious subject. Do you know these meaningless bets? What do people usually do in circles with friends?

Children's bets like: you can't do it (any random action within the context and environment), I'll bet my salary...

If the bettor has bet something... be it money or some personal item, is the bettor obliged to pay? What does your jurisdiction say about this?

But now, what if a person bets something in a joking tone (e.g. betting on his salary) and a conversation that was supposed to be a joke ends up becoming hysteria, where the man may have said that because he was drunk or was naturally exalted due to the heat of the moment... remembering that in this example, he bet his salary, and if he won he would not win anything from the person he bet against (he just wouldn't give the salary to the opponent who would receive the bet...), can the person who would "win" the bet force the friend who made this childish bet?

Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?

What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...

Or as long as everything was done in a contract that such unusual types of bets would be worth?

You can use as a source of argument, this news that I will leave linked here.

In the examples below, the news that a man bet that he would take the virginity of a religious woman, ended up marrying her because he fell in love in the process, but a friend let it slip that this was the result of a bet between co-workers, the what do you think about that?



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May 24, 2024, 01:37:41 PM
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Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?
Yes I did. I bet or dare to went out of town and treat all expenses and ending up doing it cause I was totally wasted due to alcohol, since my friends thought I was dead serious about it but when we arrived at the place I totally clueless why we are there cause I asleep when we went there.

Or as long as everything was done in a contract that such unusual types of bets would be worth?
Thats too serious if bet were indeed tied up to a contract. There are some bets among peers that needed to be considered as joke sometimes. Like in my case I was just over alcohol thats why I am brave to do that but in reality it isnt really my thoughts on that dare.

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May 24, 2024, 01:48:45 PM
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From what I understand what is bet is, both parties involved most stake something so that whoever losses will have to miss something. If a bet is only on one person, I will not call it a bet. The casino or sport bets that we use for our staking activities have a lot of money in which we can win, and it is because of this money that is making a lot of people to gamble, because if you win, you will get paid and if you lose, the casino keeps your money. So betting only on one side shows a sign of unseriousness a joke to me because it is only the bettor that will lose. Sometimes, those kind of bets are done orally, and should not be taken as a bet. I have not involved in such game because I feel it is cheating, because I know my friends they will definitely want you to do whatever you said. Will I call such a promise or something.

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May 24, 2024, 01:59:58 PM
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But now, what if a person bets something in a joking tone (e.g. betting on his salary) and a conversation that was supposed to be a joke ends up becoming hysteria, where the man may have said that because he was drunk or was naturally exalted due to the heat of the moment... remembering that in this example, he bet his salary, and if he won he would not win anything from the person he bet against (he just wouldn't give the salary to the opponent who would receive the bet...), can the person who would "win" the bet force the friend who made this childish bet?
Children can joke with things, so we should know that. The way the challenge sounds that's exactly the same way the opponent will sound too. The easiest way that children pick up a challenge is from arguments, when an argument occured they won't know who's right and who's wrong and before you know some will say "oya let's bet" and another person in their mist will agree, either with money or personal things. Children aren't that serious on bets, most children don't bring out money/anything when they want to bet because they know that it's not a serious deal but if you want to know children that are serious in bets, the ones that knows that they are not wrong will be the first people to bring money and put on the table waiting for the challenger. And like wise adults too, some adults that bets without taking the bets serious, end up being into trouble.

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May 24, 2024, 02:25:01 PM
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If the bettor has bet something... be it money or some personal item, is the bettor obliged to pay? What does your jurisdiction say about this?
If the bet is amongs a group of friends then they can reach an agreement that he doesn't have to fulfil that bet. He can do something in place of the bet so everyone is happy. This will not be the case if it is made with a stranger because the stranger may not be as understanding as your circle of friends. Therefore be slow to make these "careless bets" when emotions are high or low.  
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Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?
I haven't but I know someone who bet his car. Lost the bet and lost his car. That didn't hurt so much because he had other vehicles.
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What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...
The limits of a bet is to not bet what you know you cannot afford to lose. In addition, it should be within the limits of human sanity
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In the examples below, the news that a man bet that he would take the virginity of a religious woman, ended up marrying her because he fell in love in the process, but a friend let it slip that this was the result of a bet between co-workers, the what do you think about that?
This is the type of bets that is not in the boundaries of human sanity if you ask me. What happens when the woman finds out that she was just a bet?

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May 24, 2024, 02:27:00 PM
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I never bet using my salary as a bet because it is stupid and could cause me to lose all my salary money. There is no exact amount we can bet but using all our salary money to bet, it is not a good idea and we should not follow those people who do it. We should only bet with money we can afford to lose so that if we lose, it is money we are willing to lose.

For the example you said, it is different because it is a person's process of getting to know a woman who he then marries. Maybe he thought it was a bet and it was normal for him to say that. But during the process, he finally fell in love and married her.
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What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...

Actually, there are no restrictions that bind a gambler to bet. It's all up to the gambler to determine the fate of his own life.
But what must be paid attention to is that gamblers must be responsible for their bets. whether it exceeds the limits of one's capabilities or a small portion of the money one has, there must still be responsibility for the risks at stake.

I've never done anything like that, usually, my friends and I are in the village when there are sporting events. our bet might be just a few packs of cigarettes or a few bottles of drink. we never joke with crazy bets like that. Even though it sounds ridiculous, maybe someone does something like that in this world. even if it's just a joke.

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May 24, 2024, 02:37:52 PM
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From what I understand what is bet is, both parties involved most stake something so that whoever losses will have to miss something. If a bet is only on one person, I will not call it a bet. The casino or sport bets that we use for our staking activities have a lot of money in which we can win, and it is because of this money that is making a lot of people to gamble, because if you win, you will get paid and if you lose, the casino keeps your money. So betting only on one side shows a sign of unseriousness a joke to me because it is only the bettor that will lose. Sometimes, those kind of bets are done orally, and should not be taken as a bet. I have not involved in such game because I feel it is cheating, because I know my friends they will definitely want you to do whatever you said. Will I call such a promise or something.
Very true my dear, before anything is called a bet, they parties must mutually stake something of value to make it a bet, because one person must either win or lose something of value be it money, property or any other tangible things available. just like the casino or betting shop that you cited earlier both of them have their money to risk and that is why they cannot allow you to play without risking your money too because if you win you will go with their money and if you lose vice versa.

gambling or betting should be symbiotic in nature because that is the fun, and that is also the reason why the bettor will take it very seriously, though i have seen friends who bet orally just to have fun and probably to keep themselves busy, gambling is also fun and sweet when you stake something reasonable because the amount you have staked brings out your seriousness.

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May 24, 2024, 03:13:53 PM
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What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...
They can call it betting, but that is not betting but 'promise'. If someone said he bet with you and only you or the person has something to lose while not having anything to gain if he or she wins, you are only promising yourselves. Betting means someone has to lose. There are two opponents that bet, there most be a loser and a winner. The winner takes the money of the loser while the winner also risked his or her own money.

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May 24, 2024, 03:15:42 PM
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Today I'm going to address a slightly more serious subject. Do you know these meaningless bets? What do people usually do in circles with friends?

Children's bets like: you can't do it (any random action within the context and environment), I'll bet my salary...

If the bettor has bet something... be it money or some personal item, is the bettor obliged to pay? What does your jurisdiction say about this?

But now, what if a person bets something in a joking tone (e.g. betting on his salary) and a conversation that was supposed to be a joke ends up becoming hysteria, where the man may have said that because he was drunk or was naturally exalted due to the heat of the moment... remembering that in this example, he bet his salary, and if he won he would not win anything from the person he bet against (he just wouldn't give the salary to the opponent who would receive the bet...), can the person who would "win" the bet force the friend who made this childish bet?

Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?

What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...

Or as long as everything was done in a contract that such unusual types of bets would be worth?

You can use as a source of argument, this news that I will leave linked here.

In the examples below, the news that a man bet that he would take the virginity of a religious woman, ended up marrying her because he fell in love in the process, but a friend let it slip that this was the result of a bet between co-workers, the what do you think about that?



https://www.metropoles.com/vida-e-estilo/mulher-descobre-que-marido-fez-aposta-para-tirar-sua-virgindade

https://extra.globo.com/noticias/page-not-found/homem-viciado-em-apostas-perde-mulher-em-jogo-ela-estuprada-por-um-grupo-24798954.html


I think this is the result of human stupidity. Sometimes people get themselves into difficult life situations and no one is to blame for this but them.
Regarding the man who eventually married this girl, I believe that this was the way. In the end, everything happened well and he found himself a wife, but everything could have turned out much worse. He could have caused a lot of pain to this girl.
About betting with friends, I had a bet with a friend for $100. I said that all Champions League finals are played only on Saturdays. I was sure of it. Before the bet itself, I decided to change the reward for winning from $100 to a simple chocolate bar so as not to spoil my relationship with my friend. I was sure that I would win. Imagine my surprise when I found out that Bayern and PSG played on Sunday in 2020. In the end, I lost the chocolate bar, not the $100. Conclusion: you should never get into an argument, but if you do, then be sure that you are right.

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May 24, 2024, 03:26:54 PM
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From what I understand what is bet is, both parties involved most stake something so that whoever losses will have to miss something. If a bet is only on one person, I will not call it a bet. The casino or sport bets that we use for our staking activities have a lot of money in which we can win, and it is because of this money that is making a lot of people to gamble, because if you win, you will get paid and if you lose, the casino keeps your money. So betting only on one side shows a sign of unseriousness a joke to me because it is only the bettor that will lose. Sometimes, those kind of bets are done orally, and should not be taken as a bet. I have not involved in such game because I feel it is cheating, because I know my friends they will definitely want you to do whatever you said. Will I call such a promise or something.
Very true my dear, before anything is called a bet, they parties must mutually stake something of value to make it a bet, because one person must either win or lose something of value be it money, property or any other tangible things available. just like the casino or betting shop that you cited earlier both of them have their money to risk and that is why they cannot allow you to play without risking your money too because if you win you will go with their money and if you lose vice versa.

gambling or betting should be symbiotic in nature because that is the fun, and that is also the reason why the bettor will take it very seriously, though i have seen friends who bet orally just to have fun and probably to keep themselves busy, gambling is also fun and sweet when you stake something reasonable because the amount you have staked brings out your seriousness.

They can call it betting, but that is not betting but 'promise'. If someone said he bet with you and only you or the person has something to lose while not having anything to gain if he or she wins, you are only promising yourselves. Betting means someone has to lose. There are two opponents that bet, there most be a loser and a winner. The winner takes the money of the loser while the winner also risked his or her own money.
Excellent answer guys, when only one side has to lose, why should we call it a bet, given that in a bet, it must be something agreed between the pairs involved and both one and the other need to agree to bet something of value?

Now, for someone to force you to do something just because they said it out loud in a joking tone is bad character in my opinion, as it is a character defect.

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May 24, 2024, 03:43:18 PM
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example, he bet his salary, and if he won he would not win anything from the person he bet against (he just wouldn't give the salary to the opponent who would receive the bet...), can the person who would "win" the bet force the friend who made this childish bet?


This just reminds me of the scene from Fast and Furious, Dom gets nothing but respect from the loser. Cheesy

I don't know the story inspired from the scene or the otherway round but anyway there is no point of staking something that you have and get nothing in return if you win the bet, what's the point of doing it?

It's not childish, it's stupid though.

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If the bettor has bet something... be it money or some personal item, is the bettor obliged to pay? What does your jurisdiction say about this?

Of course if a bet is between two persons both should honor their bets it will lead to quarell or even a fight if one party will not or cannot honor his bet, when you bet you should show that you can pay the bettor


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Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?
Yes like betting on a cock fight but I really don't have enough money I just received a tip that the other cock is weak and it's going to lose, I ended up making a promissory note its a very embarrassing situation and I never did it again

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What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...

Or as long as everything was done in a contract that such unusual types of bets would be worth?

No you should not bet in an unusual kind of bet, bets should be realistic and both parties should know what the bets are all about and they can honor their bets, betting is never a joke if you're going to bet take it seriously it  is different when you do it with friends and you all understand that its a friendly bet.

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       -     The question is, what does making a bet do to a casino gambler? Of course the player's mind in a casino is to win, and when they win they have money that can be withdrawn when it accumulates a large amount.

And it also depends on what type of game in the casino and usually it is sports games, poker and others where someone often gets a jackpot prize in casino gambling. Right?
Or maybe they are able to bet because it gives them full satisfaction.

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May 24, 2024, 04:02:07 PM
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Have you ever made a bet that led to an embarrassing situation or do you know someone who has?

There was actually one time where I was on a winning streak in a physical casino. It really got into my head that I was winning so I was very cocky at that time and announced that I would bet $1,000 in one go. Well long-story short, I lost all the money that I have won that night and I even incurred more expenses along the way since I risked my monthly savings during that time.

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What are the limits of a bet, can a bettor bet something that he is unable to pay? i.g: betting your own life or 10 years' salary? And also without gaining anything in return, since he only bet against and didn't bet anything if that bettor won...

I think the limit in what we can bet is the things that we have.

Obviously, we cannot bet something that we do not own but there may be some instances where you could bet something that is considered "extreme" in the normal sense. The perfect example here would be the infamous "Russian Roulette Game" where people would bet their own lives on a gun.
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If the bettor has bet something... be it money or some personal item, is the bettor obliged to pay? What does your jurisdiction say about this?
Yes, such person is obliged to pay if only the next person in question could proof they actually placed a bet on either money or something valuable. Because bet is just like an agreement, which must be honored, irrespective of whatever condition that may arise. Because what can only make such bet not stand is only if there is no witness or an agreement which binds both parties (i.e either written, audio or video record) to proof the authenticity of it. Hence, it's always good to have a bet agreement documented.

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But now, what if a person bets something in a joking tone (e.g. betting on his salary) and a conversation that was supposed to be a joke ends up becoming hysteria, where the man may have said that because he was drunk or was naturally exalted due to the heat of the moment... remembering that in this example, he bet his salary, and if he won he would not win anything from the person he bet against (he just wouldn't give the salary to the opponent who would receive the bet...), can the person who would "win" the bet force the friend who made this childish bet?
No bet is childish, because what can only be referred as childish is if only there was no concrete agreement between both parties, because inasmuch as there was an agreement between the two parties, then such bet is considered valid and must be honored.

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May 24, 2024, 04:34:07 PM
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In the examples below, the news that a man bet that he would take the virginity of a religious woman, ended up marrying her because he fell in love in the process, but a friend let it slip that this was the result of a bet between co-workers, the what do you think about that?
Betting is far from this scenario, rather I think both the man and the religious woman were secretly in line ve with each other but didn't know how to express it, from the story you can see that none that so believe in religion without any interior motives will take such bet in a real scenes because she won't be having anything to win from the so call bet, and a bet is when you win something at the end of the round.


I think what happened between the two individuals is just like last ve in the movie's, where also many action need to be taken before the real love story began, and lastly I don't think anyone should ever bet with something as sensitive as this even if there is a winning bounty for the winner .

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May 24, 2024, 04:40:28 PM
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Probably the best lack of common sense bets in the history of betting....

You know there is no sense in betting when it's not realistic, will you take a bet from a guy who will jump in a building if he loses, and if you take a bet and win will your conscience put you to sleep if the guy takes it seriously and jump in the building.

 

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I have a rule that I always use strictly to avoid breaking this rule and that is that I don't place bets on things outside of the sports betting site, which is why I avoid making predictions or betting on bitcoin price predictions in the threads that I've seen it in the games and rounds section because when a person gets used to betting on everything they see, there comes a time when that person has no limits on the things they shouldn't bet on, I, for example, have seen In my country, someone bet that my country's opposition candidate would not be able to become president of my country and that person placed his wife as a reward in case he lost. In other words, this person said that if he makes a mistake, the opposition candidate in my country will not become president of my country

So the person who guesses correctly that my country's opposition candidate will become president can have his wife. This type of bet shows that this person from my country no longer has limits on what he should or shouldn't bet on. When people reach this level, they are able to bet the house they live in, they are able to bet their children and other things. people must have limits, people must know that in betting they must have a value of money that will not pass, rules must be set, when people do not set rules and limits, then they easily lose everything

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