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I have learned something new about gambling, with my new invention.

There is a house edge, in pvp games.

But in the UMG, there is a house edge, and the rtp is still 100%

This is because of the intense skill based nature, UMG composes.

UMG, official worlds, are players vs bots. Meaning users are betting for the houses money, instead of players money. But it is still pvp.

The rtp is set to 99.9%, but UMG has disabled users ability to use advantages such as force luck, limiting users from using the main consensus of their skill.

Now UMG, has implemented a house edge, while keeping the rtp 100%, or 99.9%

I just thought it was cool and that I would share since I see users saying there is no House Edge in PvP games. Before this was true, now it is not due to UMG.

Do you actually take all these as revelations, maybe they are only effective or being applicable to you alone because we are not in this altogether for now, if you make a discovery, it may only works for you and that same thing may not work for others, a lot had been talked about these already and its more better you choose the part or aspect you think goes along with your take, we are not being forced to gamble, we make selection of our choices.

Why make another account? Your other account isn't banned yet. If you really want users to take a look at your bs, then don't be so annoying and don't try to start arguments with anyone who disagrees with your opinion. Market your stuff in a respectable way and see what happens. Trying to shove shit down users throats in a guerilla type way, isn't going to get you anything.

I am not marketing, yahoo.

Just explaining, the new advancements, UMG has made for gambling.

Likewise, I have already had this account for months. When I have marketing to do per say, I will use the UMG account.

Right now I am not marketing.

Yahoo, we got off on the wrong foot, and it was not your fault.
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(You were only trying to help)

But, you must realize, if something does not work on Bitcoin Talk Forum, it is not the end of the world.

Bitcoin Talk Forum, is only a small fraction of users on the UMG.

You are just aware of UMG, because it needs to be circulated within all audiences.

What I am trying to say, is if Bitcoin Talk Forum, does not support UMG, UMG, will still be the leading pioneer in the gambling market.

UMG is not depending on Bitcoin Talk Forum to stay alive.

Although Bitcoin Talk Forum, members would want to play UMG, and UMG, still values the Bitcoin Talk Forum and all it's users opinions.

Likewise, I am only making all of UMG's achievements known.

Doesn't matter...

If your games are not provably fair then people will not trust your engine, that's your next step, you need to provide people with the tools to prove how each round was fair. That's the only way to attract real users to your site.

I already try to help you with your project because i understand how hard it is to build something complex like that, but first, you need to see the problems with your project.

Seoincorporation, provably fair is implemented.

You did not see the message where I said, that UMG, host hundreds of lotteries every 5 seconds, so it is impossible for the system to be rigged. I apologize.
 
With the implementation, of the fair system, now it is absolutely certified the system is fair.

Take a look.

The system calculates a list, then numbers the list. Shows us that information. Then randomizes the list, and now the numbers correspond to the scrambled list.

This fair system is implemented, for hundreds of lotteries every 5 seconds, seo, it requires a dedicated team to rig the system. Hundreds of lotteries occurring every 5 seconds, 24/7.

UMG gambling, is more reliable even without a provably fair system.

It is extremely difficult, to rig a system every 5 seconds, 7 days out of the week for 24 hours.

Let alone hundreds of these systems.

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Likewise, UMG, is pvp as well. Users can 1v1.

If the system was rigged a user would automatically be able to tell.

My revelation is, gambling is 50-50. Either you win or you lose.  :D

Enjoy the experience with no expectations and it becomes enjoyable. Be prepared to lose the amount you put at the table. The outcome doesn't matter anymore!

That is correct, but UMG, allows users to manipulate their luck, to have a better chance of winning versus other users.

Explain that better, otherwise you're earning a red tag.

Poker Player, UMG, has a luck based system.

Each user, is able to monitor their luck. And obtain more luck.

The more luck, the better your chance of winning.

Likewise, the system will show each user, the luck of every winner.


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This allows users to decipher how easy it is to win in a world, and how much money is required to win.

Allowing users to make wiser decisions. Ultimately leading to a profit.

Likewise the system will not allow users, to simply use money to override other users.

Users can manipulate their luck by placing more orders, or buying advantages.

All while making it fair for every user, no matter how much money they have.

Ensuring more people join the system, than leave.

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I have heard of UMG after reading your topic. Everyone is familiar with house edge though. So in you topic you are basically introducing UMG and suggesting others to use proper terms.

Is this what a DT became these days? I have no idea if there is a past issue with this user but literally you are threatening a member of the forum to get their opinion LOL

I cannot for the life of me, understand how a casino with a 100% house edge, can be sustainable?

How do you pay your expenses, if the house takes no profit from the bets? They must over charge you for something else, if they do not profit from the gambling.

Please explain this in more detail.

Hello, 'Kakmakr', UMG takes 0.1% of every bet. 1 x 0.001

So essentially for every group of bettors, each bet, 99.9% is dispersed back to a random selection of the players.

This, system is sustainable, due to the fact that it is functioning as a lottery, allowing all the money to go back, without the house's money being put in jeopardy.

• The fee is so small, that users are not majorly affected, likewise enabling users to experience much more benefits.
  
• The house's money is not put in jeopardy by users winning money, you can win and lose however many times, you want with no limitation.
• The system will not limit the amount of money it will payout to users, because that is solely contingent upon how much money is put in.
  

In essence, the function of a lottery, can only pay back a maximum of, what was put into it, so at no point in time, can the system incorrectly pay a user an amount it is not capable of paying. And the system cannot go bankrupt from users winning either.

Likewise,

To answer your question, the house does take profit from bets. The RTP is just so high I rounded it up to 100%.

The actual rtp is 99.9%




Correct, yes.

 

Well, I sense marketing here, notwithstanding, I don't give it a thought, but you can't be sincere about it, that's the issue. Let me make this clear, though I don't know for others, I do not jump on casinos anyhow and no matter how you preach to support what you are stylishly selling, I am one of them who will not give it a try, at all. And I am happy to tell you that this attitude saved me 100% from direct and indirect fraud on the internet.

As for the calculation and argumentation you made above, come off it, it is just a means to lure people, casinos can never be trusted about the high winning possibility in a certain way as preached, that is a lie. If such a secret of 100% or 99% winning you made is true then it can't be long for people to know and ruin that branch of the casino. Casinos are no joke, they are in for serious business, so I wonder why they will bend the standard so much to the extent that gamblers will have an easy means to exploit them.

In the end, if people start losing through it, you will hear casino is a game of luck, who doesn't know that? But why preach more winning possibilities?

'EarnonVictor', It's not marketing, I just have to explain users the game accurately, so they are aware that UMG is not just a fallacy or a fraud.


UMG is not a casino, it is an all-in-one platform allowing users to trade, gamble, play the lottery, and stake currency all at the same time, in one mechanism.



I am not 'luring' people in

or 'selling' people a dream

It is very easy to win with UMG....

There are users right now winning, easily, without losing much of their money.

There are worlds setup to have X99 payout, rate.

The only difference is, it is low risk, low reward.

The key with UMG, is users have the freedom to gamble, play the lottery, and trade however they want, with no limitations.

So before if you were not interested, in casinos, that's ok. UMG is not a casino....


UMG is just giving players the rigorous platform to generate revenue.

Users are playing against other players.

When users are exploiting a specific method, they are not hurting the house, they are hurting other players.

This is why UMG, allows certain methods to be exploited, it was designed, to give users many ways to make money.

You can definitely win consistently with UMG.

99.9% RTP, and a transparent system that lets you win however much you want.

I cannot stop preaching something, that I believe is true.

Likewise, i'm not selling anything right now.

I just want users to know UMG, was the first to do all of this and is the industry standard for gambling.
 


In the end users will actually be winning more.

99.9% of the money put in is going back, the money is not lost...

You just need to figure out how you obtain a large sum of the money with your minor investment.

I will put it in context for you to understand it better. The OP is an alt account of this retard:

Why is this guy allowed to constantly break the rules? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497470.msg64113511#msg64113511)

That with his various alt accounts he keeps writing threads in the gambling section claiming things like this:


Despite the fact that no one pays attention to his supposedly revolutionary systems. And no, I'm not threatening him for giving his opinion, it's the other way around. And as I feared, he confirms that according to him, in a pvp game:


For me that deserves a red tag. Can't think why?

Anyway, if I'm known for being aggressive with tags and I ended up in DT1 some time ago, it must be for a reason.

Btw; I've just remembered that I tagged his original account, so I should tag this alt as well.

I came from other thread... so, in a way, if all of these ruckus are publicity stunt, I guess it worked.

Moving to the topic itself, I can't help but wonder about these things:


How many visitors to you website daily are we talking about here? And how many percentage of them are from the forum? I can't see any referral code added to the links on your original profile [unlimitedmoneygenerator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3612914)] to track where does your visitor come from, so I am not sure where you pull that data from... I believe you have the analysis that you can confidently claim the forum is only a small fraction of your site?


How exactly someone can obtain more luck?


That's called lottery, no? You buy as many tickets as you wished, and by each ticket, your chance of winning increases.

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His main account got warned by Cyrus for spam and was requested to reduce his spamming frequency. So he posted with other account.

After reading the post from holydarkness I have no reason to doubt because I trust his forum activities and judgement sense. Since they are alt, the same tag can be deserved. It make sense that your threat of giving the red tag came from the past discussion but when someone will read it without any prior knowledge it will sound like you were threatening. 

If you apply the math of probability, that would probably only work in a computer or in a room that doesn't have an air pressure for toss coin, there's no such thing as 50/50 odds in gambling, there's always one part that's more than the other, take slots for example, if the odds is 50/50, that would mean that at least at 2 spins, you will win something big but that's not the case, there's a certain combinations in slots that have some level of chances of showing up. The problem with that revelation is that it creates some kind of false dichotomy, which leads people to believe that they can win most of the time in gambling when in reality, that's not the case, if that was true, we probably would see a lot of gamblers making money from gambling because they're bound to win because it's all 50/50 and there's never going to be a lot of casinos if that's the odds.

You have learned about gambling but you haven't fully learned about gambling yet. Gambling is risky and there are many lessons to be learned. Gambling is not at all like you gambled and gambled you sat down directly depending on luck. Relying directly on luck will lead to mistakes, so use your own experience and skills rather than relying directly on luck. Hope you do well in gambling.

UMG proposes a system, where the more you play, the higher your odds of winning increase.

Gambling  + Trading = Enhanced Gambling/Trading.

Users are taking turns winning.


Thank you for your positive energy.

I am insinuating, that UMG composes a luck based system for you, so you are aware how much money it takes to win, and are able to have priority over other users, if you have not won.

This helps gamblers make wiser decisions, likewise, allowing them to profit in the longrun.

UMG is an actual Unlimited Money Generator in so many ways.



Poker Player you are too stupid to understand anything I am saying, but UMG has a prioritization system yes it does.

If you don't understand just ask more question, don't abuse your DT, you are contributing to the decline of multiple users lives, your actions, trying to disable UMG from blossoming.

You obtain more luck, by placing orders or buying advantages over other users.


Yes, the system, is operating under the basis of a lottery so it, is at all times is the most lucrative embodiment of gambling. i.e it can disperse all money put in, without going bankrupt, it can disperse money to users in various ways achieving different outcomes.

But UMG, disables, the ability to buy multiple tickets in a lottery, so everyone inevitably wins at some point. (Enhanced Gambling)

It called increasing the possibility of certain outcome to occur, also known as the basic principle of probability. Luck and probability are not the same.


Interesting because it contradict the earlier statement. Above, you said one can obtain "more luck" by placing orders, and on this part you said that you disable the ability to buy multiple tickets?

Oh, you missed this part,

Luck and probability are the same, because your luck correlates, to your chance of winning, at least in my system.

Correct, uniquely, I allow users to place more orders for more luck, while also making sure, users cannot buy more tickets than each other, making it a fair system, and also a system, that rewards losers. The system contains both holydarkness, so I disable ability to buy more tickets than others, while allowing you to place more orders, and increase your luck.


UMG, was operating, before Bitcoin Talk Forum.

I monitored the activity then, and now.

Likewise, I help users with support from Bitcoin Talk Forum.

Compared to the users, I receive from tiktok, and other ads.

The Bitcoin Talk Forum, is only a small percentage of users of UMG.

I am monitoring this, by how many people I have to help from, the forum, versus, other sources.

No, they are not.

Oxford Learner's Dictionary, for example, defines luck (https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/luck_1?q=luck) as, "good things that happen to you by chance, not because of your own efforts or abilities", while probability is defined (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/probability) as "the ratio of the number of outcomes in an exhaustive set of equally likely outcomes that produce a given event to the total number of possible outcomes.

Even if we disregard the definition of probability and rely solely on Oxford's definition of luck, and compare it to your statements thus far, it shows clear difference. Luck is an intangible factor, something that happens without your own efforts or abilities. While your statements said people can "buy" luck, the act of buying points to an effort; thus contradicting the very definition of luck. Probability requires and heavily relates to effort, luck disregards effort and skill.

In layman's terms, luck is an incontrolable factor that influence an outcome. Probability is an effort to ensure one outcome has more likelihood to happen compared to other.

ELI5, luck is buying one ticket out of 100 entries and you won, probability is buying 80 tickets to increase the possible outcome of you winning the round.


First, probability, not luck. Second, if any, it indicates that there are certain control for the outcome of the lottery, is it not? One can limit the ability of purchasing entries, how can the participants be assured that it's not only the total entries one can purchase that's being controlled. Third, how do the maximum amount of tickets be predetermined?


So, in numbers, they are...?

Universal Music Group is what comes out for UMG when I search.  Its what I remember from youtube and getting multiple copyright warnings so its seared into my brain not the gambling company you might be referring to.

Surely one UMG will object to this other entity using the same identifier unless they are connected.

Im sure your UMG is famous in its own arena but there's always a bigger fish, general public are going to get confused what exactly you mean apart from any other complicating details.  Get some enhanced branding, its what people remember and how they form initial impressions of your operations.

UMG is OP's alt-slash-main-account, unlimitedmoneygenerator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3612914) and his platform, unlimited-money-glitch. We shorten it. I personally do that for simplicity. Nowhere on the entire forum [this need to be stressed because OP and his main-account have way too many threads across many boards] he claimed the identifier is related to any older and bigger brand.

Holydarkness, before I respond to you, let me clarify, that I am my own scientist.

You cannot counter my argument, by quoting another scientist's definition to me.

As i am my own scientist, making my own definitions. And have tested these theories, thousands of times for months.

I will be back in a couple of minutes to read everything you said, and properly respond to you. Thanks.

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Holydarkness, I am going, to add on my previous message, to say, I appreciate users like you. Because you are smart, in my opinion. Everything I am saying, you are able to pick up on, and you are also able to ask intellectual questions, based on this field. I really do appreciate it.

To answer, your questions.

UMG, composes a luck based system.

This system, allows you to manipulate your luck.

With this system, now luck and probability are the same.

Essentially a user, can place multiple orders, increasing their luck to win. Ultimately increasing their probability to win.

The system is a function of time. If you place more orders than me, you have more luck than me, and a higher a probability to win.

Versus when the round resets, and now we are both at the same luck, and have the same chance and same probability of winning.

In essence what you are thinking of is luck, without a propietary component for you to monitor your luck, and manipulate it.

What I am giving you is the luck based system, so now you have a way to manipulate your probability of winning. And you can monitor your probability of winning, because you can monitor your luck.

What you are referring to is, luck that is random, luck you cannot monitor.

But this type of luck is in UMG.

Along with the type of luck, UMG gives you so, so you know your probability of winning, and can increase your probability of winning over time.

Now luck, and probability correlate to each other, because you can manipulate your luck, versus others, giving you a better chance to win, and a higher probability to win.

Likewise, the amount of tickets, per round, this is unlimited. The only difference is, each user has a luck based system, that is helping them to win, if they have not won.

So if you are trying to buy more tickets, than you are supposed, you are actually screwing yourself, over, because you are not letting the system help you win, because you are using all your money to buy more tickets, and not orders, so you can get more luck, and win overtime.

This is why users, do not buy more tickets than they are supposed to.

To add on top of that, if there are 100 users, who buy 5000$ tickets, this is 500,000 that will then be dispersed back, to the players, it being equally fair, no one having an advantage over each other.

The next lottery, all of our lucks will increase, but if everyone's luck is all the same, then the probability to win, did not increase.

Per say, I was playing hours, before 'holydarkness', and I had way more luck than him.

And he came this round, and put his money in.. I am going to take his money, because I have way more luck than him, and a mucher higher chance to win, since his luck is much less than mine.

Now with the integration of the luck based system, you probability to win and luck correlate, because you are able to manipulate your luck versus others, now giving you the higher probability to win, in a luck based system.

Bam!

That is so complicated, I am sorry.

Then I think you're mixing up chance, luck, and probability. Those things you described above called chance.

Luck does intervene and influence chance, but chance does not equal to luck. If probability shows the ratio of the likelihood of something to happen, chance is that likelihood itself. And like probability, chance can be altered and controlled by action. Luck can not.

If I may borrow the illustration of 100 entries I previously mentioned, buying 1 entries means you have 1 chance of winning, the probability of winning the lottery is 1/100, and if you win means you're lucky. Buying 80 entries means you buy 80 chance, with probability, 80/100 [simplified, although it's actually much more complicated], and if you win, one can argue that it is not because you're lucky, you won not because of your luck, but rather because of your resources and effort in buying 80 entries.

Talking about numbers... I believe there is one question of mine that's yet again being missed? About certain number?

Let's give it another shot, this time through different way, a simpler one, kindly define luck according to your own words and what you have in mind when you create the platform and that "luck-based system".

Luck in the Unlimited Money Generator, would be a system defining how many times your name goes into the lottery list.

At the start of the round, we all have the same amount of luck, each user has their name in the drawing board only one time.

Each lottery of this round, our luck will increase.

Each lottery of this round, the winner of each lottery will decrease in luck.

We are now being granted, a better chance to win, overtime if we have not won.

Now luck and chance to win (probability) correlate.

Merely because your probability of winning is affected by other users luck within the system, and that correlates to your luck in this system

Your luck correlates to how many times your name goes in the list.

Likewise, Unlimited Money Generator, is an infinite cycle, where users are taking turns profiting, the cycle being never ending, and so predictable, the constant repetition of the cycle, will cessate to either, you losing more than you win, or winning more than you lose. Users know winning and losing is inevitable, but users are able to cause patterns in the system because it is so random. ++++++++++ ------------ The cycle being infinite, with a prediction of infinite users playing, that users can continue participating against other users, until they receive the results they desire.

Causing the economy to grow overtime, since their is a consistent flow of players, enjoying their time, playing all day. This allows more money to flow through the system.

Likewise, enabling the environment, allowing you to keep playing until you win.

Ultimately, acting as an economy only, one users can gamble, trade and play the lottery in, for a profit.

That is the definition of "entry (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/entry)",

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Likewise, when we replace the word "luck" in your explanation above with entry, I somewhat tend to believe that I am not the only one who think the passage will significantly make more sense.

Yes, I appreciate you for making, a version, more inline with what you can understand.

As the creator, at times, it is difficult for me to articulate, the functionality, without confusing others.

Because I do not know what vocabulary to use, to make it make sense for you.

By doing this, you are challenging, me and helping me make solid, passages, so that, other people can resonate, with what I have created.

The only thing, that I would say is wrong, is this, because other users, entries, do not correlate to your entries.

If 'holydarkness' wins, he will lose entries.

Likewise, my amount of entries stayed the same, so now I have a better advantage, than you.


Users entries do not correlate because,

Yes we may all start from the same position, but depending on the world, and it's environment, it will be a unique type economy.

Essentially, maybe world 1, has hundreds of thousands of players coming in and out every 24 hours, just placing 1 or 3 orders for 3$, for a chance to win the money.

Per say, I have been playing in this world for the entire 24 hours, while thousands of users play on and off, my number of entries, is exponentially higher than the average user, and in this economy or world, I know the longer I play, inevitably I will win. There are many people coming in and out, keeping money available for me while I play, and they are not affecting my chance to win, because they are all significantly behind in entries.

The type of environment this is, one where a lot of people are playing, and not for long, as long as I play longer, I inevitably will win, because I will have much more entries than everyone, or more luck.

Per say, in Tayton's gambling world, it is filled with whales, everyone in this world, is placing orders, at the same time, for the same amount..

In this, case, it is now a different economy with a different play-style. A much harder economy, since it is based on chance, because you are not able to gain a significant advantage over users, they are playing the same way you are.

These users, are playing all day, everyday, so there is no way you can use your tactic, of playing all day to win, because they are also playing all day, you are just the same as them, making you not special. So you will have to find another tactic, or method, to grant you an advantage. Likewise there are many methods.

Do you see, how in each world, there is a different economy, because of this luck based system(entries), it being difficult or easy based on the players, and how they are playing in that world.

This world, being difficult, to win, is known as gambling. When you are playing in a world, merely relying on chance, and not your skill.

It is so easy to win, in this system, that when you are not winning consistently, or if a world is considered difficult, it is only known as gambling.

At bare minimum, if the system is this difficult, meaning you are relying on chance to win, you are gambling, but with 99.9% rtp, and a system helping you to win.

Essentially, all types of variations, will occur, you are not just going to have the same amount of entries as the average player every time, it is going to be a different, environment each world. And if you know how to play, and know what market you are in, you are going to win the lottery consistently.

Likewise, while showing everyone, the amount of entries each user had to win the lottery, so you know how much money it costs, to buy your way in a good position in this market.

And you will learn, how to manipulate your entries, to win consistently, based on the world and it's environment.

Dude, I gotta call you out on this. You're trying to spin this "Unlimited Money Generator" thing as some kind of revolutionary gambling platform, but it reeks of scammy nonsense. You're claiming it's got a 99.9% RTP and no house edge, but that's just not how casinos work. It sounds like you're trying to justify a system that's designed to take advantage of people.

And let's be real, "players vs bots" is just a fancy way of saying "you're playing against the house". You're not being transparent about how the system works, and that's a huge red flag. I'm not buying your "intense skill-based nature" argument, especially when the website looks like it was thrown together by a high schooler.

Here's the thing, bro: if this thing is operating in the US, it's gotta comply with gambling laws. And from what I can see, it's not doing that. You're potentially violating laws and taking advantage of people's trust. That's not cool, dude. That's not cool at all.

So, either you're in on the scam and trying to convince people to throw their money at it, or you're just really bad at understanding how gambling works. Either way, I'd advise people to steer clear of this thing. It's got "scam" written all over it.

sorry but now that you have received  your tags not just 1 but 2? there is no chance that you can still lure gamblers here to try
nor support your service because there is no chance that you can gather any possible opportunity from your plans .

Then rephrase, simple as that.

What I did when I replace your "luck" with "entry" was simply to point out the misconception. As such, some statement probably need to be rephrased to fit the better term. You previously made a statement, describing "luck" and how it applies in your system, which later revealed that what you mean is "entry", with one paragraph out of your entire statement became incoherent, out of place, while the rest of the passage still does.


The whole point of the post above was not to simply replace the word with a better fitting term and make it sounds poetic, it's to let you see that you use the wrong term to describe something. It's not luck, it's entry.

Thus, with this knowledge, re-define what you previously describe as your system.

Ditec, do not spam, me in all angles, causing so much chaos for me. Give me time, to respond to you, what we are talking about is VERY complex. VERY.

So you stress me out, when you are coming from all angles. spamming this scam word, asking me to explain things to you, okay I will explain, but give me time.

You gamblers are just far far behind, and these claims seem like dreams to you, likewise causing you to negatively flag. When you need to just be patient and ask me question on top of question, and we will get to the bottom of it.

First of all, UNLIMITED MONEY GLITCH IS A GAME. You are gambling on the game, with fake currency. No laws are being broken, they are merely being evaded using a loophole.

So users can avoid, KYC, and experience much better benefits.

Likewise, we transfer from UMGLITCH to UMGROUP, UM, to BTC

Secondly, I won't be taking advantage of people, you will. That's the point. You as players are taking advantage of each other instead. It's pvp. So now the house doesn't care what you do, because you are not affecting them, likewise, you can win however much you want.

Ditec if you read, the game tells you exactly what you just said,

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Likewise, it will not be like this forever. Eventually the official worlds will be only pvp and no bots. This is just to increase the player count, by giving users incentive.

UMG is not a casino, it is a betting platform.


Definitely not true, kid, once I tell people how to play and get them understanding. Everybody on the forum will play. This ain't no damn 123 scam, give me your money. Nah. Stars gonna shine in the night anyway.

Likewise, even without selling.

I'm using this forum to teach people how to play the game, so, there is an economy for users to sell information to other users for a profit.

Wait a minute. I trust realized this is the same guy pushing his unrealistic Money generator on people around here 🥲😆.
I knew I had detected something similar with his manner of writing and the way he tries to justify this alledged scam with verbose terminology and non-sense.
I donde even understand why he needed to created an alternative account to continue to push this thing on us. Growing desperate, perhaps?

Anyways, Anyone willing to deposit money in this "service" is peak proof of social darwinism. A service literally called unlimited money generator which claims.not to be a scam is the lowest IQ test anyone within the cryptocurrency community can take to find out how gullible they are to scammers.

What is wrong with OP, the pyramid is growing faster than expected and you need to open more thread to sustain it a little bit longer?

Hispo, clearly you aren't aware of the progress i am making on this forum.

As stated above, I am not just using this forum to sell. But to create an environment users can sell information to other users for a profit. In essence this is what Unlimited Money Generator is, a lucrative system, with so many ways to monetize your time.

Stop stinging, me and spread your pollen.

Be A bEE.

Likewise, anyone who does not gamble on Unlimited Money Generator is peak proof of social darwinism. A system with 99.9% rtp, you cant sacrifice 5 minutes of your time, 5$ to test.

Anyone starting a project with the name Unlimited Money Generator, with hopes to scam users, would likely have the lowest iq in the crypto community market.

And you don't see me fitting that profile/

This reminds me... what's the number, again? The visitors of your site, and where are they coming from? I believe you have the statistic that you confidently said numerous times that the forum contribute very little to your traffic? Can we get the number?

That statement above, though, I somewhat feel them to be a bit contradictive. If you have a big traffic, I don't think you'll need the pvb for the time being and having full pvp in later time. Your site already have enough visitors for a steady pvp. So, the existence of pvb, for the time being, to increase player count, indicate a small traffic, which contradict the previous statements made.


His main account got a warning from the admin, Cyrus, and was asked to lower his spam frequency. So he made a new account to do the spam. Like I said here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497447.msg64147403#msg64147403), it looks like a ban-evasion with extra step.

Eh, compared to my expectations, of 100,000 people playing at the same time we are far away from this..

Yes UMG, has steady traffic, not most of it coming from this Forum.

But it is still not the amount of traffic I desire.

I have big traffic, but not the numbers I want.

When I see UMG, I see millions of players all playing at the same time.

Which is why you still see me putting in that work.

Likewise, I am not ban evading, my account was unbanned, I was still posting on this account. This is my regular account, UMG, is my promotional account.

I don't know the numbers, I just see how many users, are registered, and the frequency users reach out to me for support.

Although I can create a referral system to monitor.

Likewise, 1$ orders, in a world, for it to be really lucrative, and a system where everyone can make money and a lot of money, needs at least 10-20,000 players.

I don't have 10-20,000 players in a world that's for sure.

So the bots are needed as training wheels, to get the world started. To create that flow of thousands of users playing, but playing all day.

You know, 1,000 players, 2,000 players in a world, for 1$ orders, aint gonna cut it. And that's why you still see those bots in the official worlds. Because even with thousands of players, just placing orders for 1$, isn't enough to remove the bots, and start a sustainable economy, in my opinion.

Hey GluttonyY,

I've gotta say, your response is a bunch of fluff and excuses. You're trying to defend the Unlimited Money Generator platform, but your arguments are weak and don't make sense.

First of all, you claim that UMG is a game and not a casino, but that's just semantics. You're still taking people's money and promising them a chance to win, which is exactly what casinos do. And your "loophole" excuse is just a way of saying you're trying to evade laws and regulations.

And don't even get me started on your "pvp" system. You're saying that users are taking advantage of each other, but that's just a fancy way of saying that the house is still making money off of people's losses. And your "no house edge" claim is just a joke - if there's no house edge, then how are you making money?

Your explanation of the 99.9% RTP rate is also complete nonsense. You're saying that users are taking advantage of each other, but that doesn't explain how the system works or how you're making money. And your "it's pvp" excuse is just a way of dodging the question.

I've already made a report on Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498951.msg64173097#msg64173097) exposing the red flags of UMG, and I'm not backing down. I've created flags against UMG owners and promoters, and I urge the community to support them. Let's keep our community safe from scams like this.

Your attempts to justify UMG are just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and I'm not buying it. UMG is a scam, and it's time to face the music.

So you don't know the fact yet, where do your visitor come from, where do they learn about your platform, and you've already boldly made a statement that the forum contributes to a small fraction of your user? You don't have the number, or any number at all, and you still made that statement?

You understand that, to most, this is seen as making statements without any supporting data? Pulling things out of thin air. How do you propose people to trust that they can rely on your words if, by this instance, it's shown that you spit them out whenever you like, during your outburst?


Hmm... I wondered about one thing.

Your selling point is basically the entries [what you refer as luck] where people can get a bigger chance of winning the lottery, and that to make sure someone who lose will eventually come out as a winner, the previous winner will have their max entries capped while the loser can buy more entries, thus ensure them to get a higher probability of winning [again, an effort, not luck], correct?

So what'll happen if someone win and decide to leave? And so on and so on? Eventually someone will still lose, bearing the burden of all of those previous winnings, because he never break even, he never win. Ultimately, the basic rule of trading and gambling: someone's lose is someone's winning.

Holydarkness, Your such a great guy.

Like literally, you literally remind me of things, I forgot about, and then we can make progress!

You see ask me questions!! Man this is what I am here for!

Such a correct interpretation, Holydarkness, what a smart guy you are. This is what I mean by prove, this shit is wrong because, if a winner decides to leave, and one user is bearing a lost, that user will just wait for the next round to start, then everyone will come back into the round, because everyone has the same advantage, the same amount of luck, and we can all win, the maximum amount of money with the minimum amount of money.

So everyone comes back in, and the guy who losts now has a second chance! For the minimum amount! If this is his last 5$ he can still win the maximum amount of money, when the new round begins!

This is why I say, something special. Users are not required to deposit large amounts to experience the benefits!

I have designed the system, so you can be profitable with the minimum amount of resources!

Likewise, I didn't pull the players from thin, air, I can see how many players there are using my database to see how many accounts were created.

I said, I was going based on a prediction of what % of players from umg, are bitcoin talk players. In which that estimate, was little, and not showing signs, of obfuscated or exaggerated information.

No I am not..........

I am not taking anyone's money.

The players are taking each others money.

It is player vs player.

I am not tricking anyone to do anything, they wouldn't want to do.

UMG is player vs player.

No money with this house is involved, unless the House tells you.


Any money you win, was not from the house, it was from another player.

Likewise, That is exactly what I am saying Lol, why would we not want to avoid KYC, so we can withdraw, with no tax or verification. What do you mean? lOL.


By taking a small % of the winners bet, who beat other players and take their money.

No it isnt'

The house makes money, by players winning money. Since players are taking each others money, and the house takes % of that.

So now, the house, lets players win as much as they want. Likewise, while take just a small 0.1%, fee, and it being sustainable, not a fraud.

I am just giving users the platform to make money, all of the money is coming from you guys, and you are winning each others money.

So you can win however much you want, and the rtp will always be above 99% and will never affect the house.

Now that I am explaining everything to you, I told you by the end of the day, you would be changing your perspective, and I believe you are now.

If this is just a PvP casino in which the house takes a small fee from the volume of wager of All gamblers. Why on earth would you call this to be an unlimited money generator or even use such a red-flag name for this project?

When someone tell me they have found something called "Unlimited money generator" immediately believe it is a scam, and assuming I was gullible enough to believe there is such a thing, when I would deposit money on Unlimited money generator and could still lose all my money to other gamblers.
you don't understand the issue, do you? On both scenarios your "service" is giving a negative impact upon their gamblers or potential gamblers.
If the name or the branding of a casino was not important to keep people coming then Stake would rename itself as "Easy money here" . Rollbit would be called "Get rich fast" and the infamous 1xbit shady casino would have gone for a name like "Unlimited satoshis for all".

In the end, you end up people assuming you are running a scam and not engaging or people engaging and becoming victims of your false advertisment.

On a site note: One must be very gullible to believe there is such a thing like a unlimited money generator. Unless we start to talk in the context of counterfeiting.  :P

The answer is because is invented a “system” that let you still have a 100% profit and have a house edge at the same time which a serious gambler will easily notice how wrong is this system by promising both 100% profit in a gambling game not to mention that this is a PVP game which means it’s either you will use or the other player to generate money for this service.

What’s more surprising is the OP is still thinking that forum users can easily believed on obvious scheme like this like we are on 2015 which ponzi is still popular here.  :D

Some call me an asshole, so I think it's suffice to say the jury is still out. For now, I'll be more than happy to get what I come here for: that earlier paragraph of mine that got skipped:



What if there is no more round? If there is not enough participants? Assume a round with 100 participants, one win and leave, the number was down to 99, another one win and leave, 98. And so on and so on until only 50 people left or 40 or 60? And none would actually buy more entries, so the minimum entry quota to start the game [I'll assume there is such thing as requirement] is not met. What'll happen then?

And to address about "not taking anyone's money", it reminds me about another thing that crossed my mind [and forgotten for a short while] when I read your multi-thread statements: where do the player's fund stored? I understand UMG is an one-manned project? So you're the one who control the entire cash flow? How do you propose people to be assured that you wont run with collective funds from ongoing rounds?

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Edit: misquote

I call it Unlimited Money Generator, because there are so many ways to monetize your time.

Um, UMG, is massive.

So UMG, can be used, for pvp, or free for all games.

It is not strictly crypto battles.

For instance, in one world, it could be 1v1 Pvp

In another world, we could have a trading market, where thousands of users, are trading back and forth profiting.

So you have these trading mechanisms, while your gambling and playing the lottery so essentially.

We can gamble, while making money.

Um, that is why it is called Unlimited Money Generator, but is on the gambling forum. Because it is supposed to be a platform where you can make money, gambling is just a plus. There is an economy, money is flowing all through out the players, for little to no money required, likewise bringing a lot of people in, and giving you many opportunities to bet against other players, and increase your money..

There are so many things you can do, so many ways, to make money, so many things you can learn, to make money, off what you learned.

That is in essence, Unlimited Money Generator.

Gambling is only a + of this system, base line it is a system, and economy where you choose how you want to make money.

So essentially, it is an Unlimited Money Generator.

Tha's why I called it that. And I didn't know I would have to go through this much flaq, but I don't care, because my intentions are pure and my invention is real.

We can crypto trade, to the extent of bitcoin if not higher, in this system, potentially. We can gamble with 99.9% rtp, with no limits on the max win.

We can play the lottery with no united states tax.

I mean, this is just money in all types of ways, it is Unlimited Money Generator.

So? It does not matter how many features to gamble or "make money" your service has, still is not proper to call it that way. Last time I checked, Rollbit has implemented not only casino games, but also PvP features and a section to trade within the future market of cryptocurrencies. Is Rollbit supposed to rebrand itself as a "money generator as well"? It sounds rather silly. Having features which could be used to amplify your target audience and target gamblers does not go in accordance to being a so-called "money generator".

Also, Are you even aware that if anyone from the United States dared to use your service to play lottery and won money with it, they would be still obliged to declare that money incomes from gambling and pay taxes on them, right? you picture it as if anyone from the USA should use your thing to avoid paying taxes on lottery/gambling income..That is not how it is supposed to work, wherever you earn,.you declare it, otherwise you would be incurring into tax evasion.

Time that is a free resources, according to your opinion? We left that topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497447.msg64179597#msg64179597) unattended on your other thread and seemingly can't be revisited, given you decide to lock them. Perhaps we can relocate them here?