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Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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This quote made me create this thread.

What causes addiction is misplaced of priorities with gamblers.

We are not being addicted in gambling because of winning or not, we all know that in gambling, we most likely tend to lose than winning, moreover not all gamblers were gambling for making money, but some will be gambling and they you will obviously see that some certain things were not right about the same gambler and when you look more closer into the reason behind that, all you could figure out is gambling addiction being the major cause.

This kind of thread was created some hours ago. You can read what people posted on the thread instead.

When you're winning it's fun but when you're losing it's addictive right? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5503836.msg64351757#msg64351757)

Sadly, that is correct. If you are winning, you won't look desperate and wear homeless clothes which means you sure have found your career in gambling.

But if you are losing money, you are hungry and most probably because you still gamble even without money, you are desperate and likely end up homeless because you still wouldn't stop gambling despite the situation. I guess that's something the gambler needs to realize himself. Winning is good and losing is bad.

I can only see one user persona you are referring to here. And you seem to be searching for the same answer the previous OP was looking for. Perhaps you can go through that thread and read the replies there.

Meanwhile, there is no difference between them in terms of addiction. Winning and losing can make a person addicted to gambling. With winning then tend to chase more wins and when losing they tend to chase wins as well.

The comparison between a skilled gambler and a compulsive one can be quite intriguing. Imagine an individual who engages in gambling on a daily basis and manages to win 90% of his bets, most would perceive him as an expert gambler. The mastery he exhibits, coupled with his notable success in the realm of gambling, leads us to regard him as one possessing a sense of command and insight into the games at play.

Yet in case the individual does not win and continues to gamble daily, we usually refer to him as a compulsive gambler. In general, gambling addiction is recognized by its persistence: regardless of continuous losses, it might result in serious financial and emotional problems.

Our view of gambling, depicted by the outcomes. Winners are seen as more skilled, more expert gamblers while losers are mostly labelled as addicts. However, the reality is that problem gambling does not always depend on the outcomes but on the behavior that is out of control and negatively affects one’s life.

Gambling addiction is more than the frequency of wins or losses; it is about how gambling affects a person's life. If a gambler keeps playing even after significant losses, they might need assistance irrespective of their winning frequency. The issue at hand is not the win rate but the continuation of play after large losses which may require intervention to address other underlying factors that contribute to their gambling behavior.

The quote you shared is what the person feels, and everyone is subjected to their own opinion, which I can't argue with because it's their own definition of addiction. Some of them can even refer to it as a good addiction, as they have what they call bad addicts and good addicts, which I totally disagree with. 
 
As far as I know, if anyone is doing something in excess that makes you give too much attention and deprives you of many things like your self-control, then I can say that it's addiction, and there is nothing good about addiction. In my opinion, every form of addiction is bad.

Winning or losing will lead to addiction and there is nothing like expert gambler because there will be a aftermath or a consequence for being addicted. A time will come that your winning will destroy you be addiction is like a plague and it does not come with anything positive.

It is possible that you are winning but you gamble responsible without allowing yourself to be carried away with your wins. I see those who have self control over their gambling activities and gamble responsible as gambling experts and it is not by the amount that you win in a mental state.

Winning and losing can lead to gambling because it is not the results of gambling that makes you a gambling addict but the way you are gambling. If you can not control when you decide to gamble then you are addicted to gambling and something has to be done fast before it starts to get ugly. Every gambling addiction will start losing as their addiction becomes more intense because the more you gamble without control, you will begin to make mistakes that will cause you to start losing. A gambler that is always winning and also addicted can stake more than he will be capable of affording because he will think that he can not lose because of his winnings record. Why we notice gamblers that are losing more to be addicts is because of how they borrow money and still lose it but would not stop gambling.

Gambling addiction has something to do with the control of the person on their gambling urges.  So we cannot say wether the gambler is addicted or not because of their gambling session result but of their control over their gambling activities. 

In my opinion, it is wrong to say that a person is not a gambling addict because he is winning his gambling session nor because the gambler is losing but keeps on gambling.   We must know the state of the person and don't look at their gambling result.

These example articles_[1][2][3] discuss about the signs and symptoms of gambling addiction and we should be observant whether these signs and symptoms are present in the person. It is no where stated that winning or losing is the way to detect gambling addiction but the behavior of the gambler to engage in gambling activities.

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[1] https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disorder/what-is-gambling-disorder
[2] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178
[3] https://www.addictions.com/gambling/10-signs-of-gambling-addiction/

See you cannot be addicted to gambling and still have the time to carry out proper analysis on games and make correct predictions - if you come across a chronic gambling addict, you won’t need anyone to tell you that this person is addicted to gambling before you’ll know, they just go to their account and make nonsense bets without even bothering to carry out their proper analysis so it’s extremely hard to come across one that would have a win rate of up to 80% - 90%.

If someone can sit down and take their time to look at different sports before they log into their account and place a bet then that person is not addicted to gambling, those type can decide not to bet when they feel the sport or the matches won’t favour them but an addict won’t be able to make that decision.

I think this thread is as same as one of the thread I responded some minutes ago, but we don't need to over exaggerate these any more, because I know very well that we have discussed such kind of matter severally, so base on my understanding of this topic, it seems so many of us have not understand what we mean by addicted gambler, neither you're a frequently winner in gambling or not, provided that you can gamble more than triple times a day you're addicted gambler, that means gambling is controlling you and not you controlling gambling.

It's natural to say that " A friend of Rich man is not a Rich man himself" but it's also said that "a friend of a criminal is also a criminal" why they don't say that he is not as it was said for the Rich man. Now the reason I brought up this quote is that to use it to answer your question because whatever things you doing and you became successful people would never know how hard you had tried to study to show yourself approved. Even though they said in gambling people don't become professional in gambling rather they have more better chance to win since they seems too used to the games especially in slot, roulette and dice.

I will still call an expert gambler who records over 90% win an addicted gambler if he shows signs of irresponsibility in gambling. Irresponsibility in gambling does not only mean or apply to a gambler who loses, it also applies to the gambler who wins on regular basis.
If anyone is selective or reluctant in tagging any gambler an addicted gambler because of their win rate or success in gambling that person is just being biased.

If you are doing something bad, but the result of that action brings in good news and wealth, no one will ever notice the rough road you pass to get that wealth. It's how society has shaped their way of thinking; it's normal, and the person who made that comment is not the first to think that way, nor will he be the last.


It's obvious that the quote the Op shared was gotten from the thread in which you shared the link, which I believe he thinks is worth discussing in a separate thread in order to get others opinions on what they think about gambling addition in that direction.

Yes, he is still a gambling addicted, doesn't matter how impressive his winning streak is. If the person is gambling all day long, without any rest or without doing another activities we consider part of a healthy and functional routine he needs to seek for help, because it's not normal someone gambles that much, especially when being an expert gambler who is making huge profit from it.

This gambler should be enjoying the money he is making from gambling. At least, that is what we normally expect from him. It's understandable gambling is a very important part of his life, since it has been being fun and profitable, but nobody can live doing only a single entertainment activity all the time.

I don't really see any differences between the two examples you gave, from an addiction point of view. Both gamblers are addicted: winners and losers. What matters in this calculation is the time they spend gambling, and not the loss or winnings they have from gambling.

Humans are biased in nature so I don't expect people to judge or see this on an equal basis.
even in other aspects of life when you are winning your considered a very fortunate person, showered with lots of titles, disregarding the other parts of the journey which is also applicable to gambling eople only see the result as determinarnts to addiction. when you when more your probably one step close to addiction but when you loss your one step away from addiction.

Mind you, people only look at results and not the ways it was gotten or the roads that led to the results so you will only be seen as an addict by people when you don't win anymore

Yep, when someone gambles everyday and always wins, they will be called as a Pro/Expert and this will make that person gamble more often and make gambling as their main income.
However, when that person starts losing often and it will eventually happen - then he/she will be considered addicted to gambling rather than a pro/expert gambler.
So actually there is no difference, because in the end it will be the same.

That gambler still addicted to gambling because he gambling everyday and even if he wins 90% of his games. Probably he is an expert but he is back to gambling and place his bet almost everyday.
That can makes him addicted to gambling easily especially if he lose his money because at that time, his minds will thinks why he lose and where is the mistake. He will not consider to accept his lose and thinks that it is normal if he lose as he wins most of the time.
We say that when a gambler lose his money from playing gambling everyday as addicted gamblers because he can not manage his time and money. That will different if he wins but actually, that situation will be the same and he can becomes addicted to gambling easily.

For me addiction is just addiction no matter the amount of regular win or  lose, it depends on how we use the context or the word. if a person wins regularly it is described as addiction to wining regularly. But if he's losing, it might be described as addiction to loses. But since the lose is more often than win, it is generally tagged as addiction which is the negative addiction. Permit me to say we have positive and negative addiction, when someone is regularly losing it becomes a negative addiction which is not advisable because the negative addiction of losing is caused by chasing after loses.

Oh I know this one lol. Had the same idea as you, a winner in gambling does not equate to him not being addicted, nor does it equate to him being addicted as well. Winning in the first place isn't a metric of addiction! It's dependence, an unstoppable or irresistible urge to consume something or do something. I don't particularly see any meaning in attaching "winning" in that definition since, well, it's not there. You're an addict if you're addicted to it, regardless if you're always winning or losing.

I guess some may consider addiction to something good if it brings some good things with it, and at some level, I guess it is. I mean it's better to be addicted to helping people than harming them no? But at the end of the day, it's still an affliction that can (and will imo) bring negative effects to you and others.

I have my own definition for gamblers who make a living from gambling, addicted to gambling & problem gamblers.

Gambler Who Make a Living from Gambling
This is the type of gambler who has long experience in this industry, does not play in a hurry and also has a good strategy in gambling. They also don't have FOMO for example in a sport matches, nor are they fanatical, they're pragmatic, because all they want is a sure win.

Addicted to Gambling
Someone who has been deeply involved in the gambling industry and understands many things here. Can we include Gambler Who Make a Living from Gambling in Addicted to Gambling? OFC, because they're one of them.

Problem Gambler
Another derivative of Addicted to Gambling, but this type of gambler has bad luck and less sense. He does anything to be able to gamble, for example selling his valuable stuffs, even taking out loans just to gamble.

It's more like differs in terms, but what is meant by "addict" is you can't control your behavior, you always do it. So for me, the first gambler you said that gambling everyday 24/7 and always winning is considered as an addict for me, even winning or losing, it's considered an addict.
It just good because that gambler is always winning, but we are not sure maybe even with all his/her winnings, something is not good for that gambler like health-related, physical, or psychological.

That happens with poker players. The 24 hours is obviously exaggerated because no human can work without resting as if he were a robot.

But going to what you say, there are professional poker players who play 8 hours a day, as if it were a job, and on top of that, multi-tabling, usually with several screens. Then there are others who may not play so many hours but spend a lot of time studying and reviewing the moves of the previous session, analyzing opponents that they usually find at the tables, etc.

Then, those who spend too many hours, we could call them workalcoholics, because what they do is a job with which they earn money. But this can only be applied to skill games.

Have you ever found a gambler, who is always winning in real life? Have you ever found a gambler, who is winning 90% of his bets in real life?
I assume that you are talking about sports bettors rather than actual casino players, who are playing "old school" casino games like roulette, blackjack, dice, etc. There's no way a traditional casino player could keep winning 90% of the time. This is simply impossible.
A sports bettor, who is winning 90% of his bets should be considered a super expert in sports betting and probably the luckiest guy on earth.
I get your point. A gambler, who is wining isn't called an addict, but no gambler in the world could keep wining consistently in the long term.

Addiction can be defined as an action that cannot be controlled even though the person knows that the action is having a negative impact. So from this we can see that a person who loses in gambling but continues to gamble, can be said to be an addict because he cannot control his actions even though he already understands that his finances have been destroyed due to gambling. However, for people who gamble but have a high percentage of winning, we cannot say that this is an addiction, because what he does has a reason that he has a big chance of getting money from every gambling and not all gamblers can be like this.

That's right, OP. If a person knows how to make correct predictions, he cannot suffer from gambling addiction just because he knows how to win; that is, he understands what and when to do. All he can develop is a feeling of greed that will make him play more.
However, those who do not succeed always believe that they are close to winning, and the next step is to place correct bets or predictions. In this case, not only is greed triggered, but also an abnormal addiction to the game, which his ambitions do not allow him to stop.
Most often, those experienced in something are self-confident people with a calm nervous system, and a sound and sober mind, which probably helps them do the right analyses after games and make correct predictions.

Not in my point of view. If you are always in front of your computer or in front of your smartphone gambling all the way, then you are an addicted gambler whatever the results of it.
Successful gamblers are the winners although they are addicted because they somehow have a passion for the games they are playing especially when it comes to sports. If a gambler is 90 percent in winning all his sports bets then I bet he also did a hardcore research before making his bets. It's not easy, it requires time and effort.
Unlike the other that you mentioned, it's not being unlucky when it comes to sports betting, more like being lazy in trying to analyze and check the records of the past games and players first.

I just created almost the same kind of topic just recently and there's nothing different from this. No one wants to loose in his gambling and when one is winning, it's never looked at as a bad thing and that's where being called an expert in gambling when you're winning consistently comes in. In some way, we have to know that the primary definition of addiction is when you're regularly carrying out an activity in an uncontrollable manner such that you can barely live without doing it. For you, you can feel you're winning and that's why you've made it an habit but do you care to ask yourself what happens when you've become addicted to the act and you stop winning your bet but have coke to the point where toi can't stop playing tye bet or reducing on your gambling pace? That's when you know that moderating whatever you're doing is the best thing you can do as a gambler.

If we ensure that we are not going too extreme both in times of winning or losing, whatever comes midway in the course of our gambling, it's going to be easier to deal with them.

90% of win is a crazy amount unless you're playing with low odds.

I don't think that addiction has a definition based on "volume" of plays, but concerns also other aspects... likewise if you're playing bets that you don't understand or you're playing up you lose everything well... this is something linked to addiction.

I would suggest in any of these post to check pubmed and read some papers on this argument (here a good start https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5893944/) . It's a disorder that has been studied only from few years, I am not too much surprised more discoveries will come in next years.

First, an addicted gambler is not determined by who is always losing or winning. Addiction means lack of total control over your lifestyle which tends to affect you negatively. Fine, a gambler may be an addict and still winning, but if you check his life carefully, you will find out that he has a little or no social connection with his loved ones. Important aspects of his life may be affected which he is not happy with. Look at it from this angle, a person who loves to work and make money may eventually get addicted to his job that he has no time for himself, his family, friends and many others. People may think he is making his money but his life revolves in a boring cycle.

To me, as long as you cannot say NO to gambling when it is offered to you even at the expense of something else which is also very important, then you are addicted.

It doesn't matter if someone is a regular gambler winning or losing, a person who gambles 24/7 every day is definitely addicted to gambling. Because he is a regular win in gambling, he is profiting from it due to which a craving for regular profit is working in him and this craving has made him addicted to gambling and he has started considering gambling as his career. For this he spends his whole day in gambling leaving out other important work. It's kind of addictive for him. I can say based on my opinion that it is addictive.  Because no one ever uses the same thing 24/7 without being addicted.

No gambler is always winning. The law of averages says a gambler will lose often even if he wins often. I think gambling is only a problem if the gambler in question is losing more than he can afford to. One person can afford to lose $2 a day and it not be a problem but another guy could lose $10,000 every day and it not financially burden them.

It’s all about having fun. The moment it stops becoming fun and puts a financial burden/strain on your life is when it becomes a problem.

The difference between this 2 gamblers is that one is winning and the other one is losing. One who gambles to make profits doesn't see losing as a good thing but he still hope that his winnings are closer than he thinks. However responsible gambling is what makes a good gambler, it doesn't matter if you are winning or you are losing.
Low odds are still not 100% sure because some of them are not given the odds according to the team performance.

90% winning accuracy steady from gambling is near to impossibe for me because i am sure there is no such thing in gambling world although you place your money into low odds @1.1xx or even below for sport bets but there is always the possibility of losing your bets

For me there is no difference to win or lost because if there is a person who did too much gamble i think we can called them as addicted in gambling because in my opinion this is same that if people win usually those people will return to gamble again because they were targetting want gets another winning even if possible can earn huge money from gambling

Even so with lost that people always be thinking how to recoved they money from their previous loses and this also causes they always be looking for the way from gambling so in my opinion the main causes why people can became an addicted in gambling is not because of their loses or win but this because they have no good self control while gambling and not responsible from what they done

I made comments on a similar topic yesterday and I still stand by what I said in that thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5503836.msg64351918#msg64351918. Gambling addiction doesn't really have to do with winnings and losing, it's about the state of mind of the gambler. It's not only when a gambler is losing that can lead to addiction, winnings also leads to addiction, a person that cannot control their gambling behavior is an addict, that is the way I see it. Although people can easily identity addicts that are loosing money because they're always broke and looking for ways to raise money to gamble.

Again, there are no experts in gambling, I doubt that someone has like 90% of his predictions correct, that numbers is damn impossible to hit. But let's say he is, then yeah, you can call him lucky, but not an expert. Because just one L in his record when make him question his predictions. And no matter what percentage you will, if you continuously betting and like look for gambling as a source of income, then that is very wrong already. And as I have said, that one L, will turn anyone in a gambling addict specially if you are so proud of your predictions. You are going to continue and say that you wanted to start a winner streak, but lady luck is not on your side this time so the result is very different and most likely you are not going to admit to yourself that you are becoming a addict. So it doesn't matter if you always win or having consecutive losses. In the end, you might turn into a gambling addict.

I agree with you that people who gamble for a long time and gamble regularly are definitely addicted to gambling.  But there are many people who spend their daily free time in gambling because they like to enjoy gambling games which is a different matter. But gambling 24 hours a day cannot be considered as normal gambling. It must be called an addicted gambler. your logics are absolutely correct I also want to say that the gambler mentioned by op is definitely addicted to gambling and even if he is profiting from gambling now he will lose a lot from here in the future unbeknownst to him. Because gambling will never give anyone profit all the time. Profiting more means taking greater risks in the future.

I think it would be difficult for me to imagine someone could win every time they bet, especially with the option of gambling every day. Even though it is sports betting, it will be very difficult to make predictions that consistently win. Even though theoretically we can research and analyze every match or battle, the fact is that in every moment or match, anything can happen. This is what is unique in my opinion about sports, because the possibility of anything can happen, so it is very difficult especially for me to create a winning percentage of 90% as long as I bet. Even if there was an expert who could do it, I doubt he would only lose 10%. Just imagine if we bet on 3 or 5 matches, where each match often does not match predictions. imagine, in a week our predictions just missed as you said. The question is, are there experts who can do it? The reason is, I myself don't dare to claim that even though I like sports.
Now we are talking about gamblers who always lose, we are talking from a broad perspective. because, you didn't mention the gambling. but because it is related to predictions, I interpret this as a sport. Well, only someone who doesn't know sports will experience defeat over and over again. or, a gambler does not stop his betting session until he ends up losing his money.

Maybe the gambler is a professional one and has an approach that is made for him. What apart from a normal gambler who is addicted I think is The strategic mindset that The professional has and he can decide whether or not he will go through with the bet or not.

I believe the best way to determine if he is a professional gambler or just an addicted gambler is to ask what his motivation in gambling is. If he is to make money because it is his job, you know he is a professional gambler But if you hear someone saying that he wants to get over the loss that he created way before then you know who is the addicted one.

Honestly this happens to be the general opinion out there but it doesn't make it true, you cannot say because someone is loosing, such person is an addict. if you carefully look through the meaning of addiction, then you are going to agree to the fact that you can be referred to as an addict even with your frequent winnings.

Addiction in its totality doesn't really speak of a fact that you are going to loose all that you have got all the time or you are going to see only the bad side of whatever it is your ae addicted to,  some times, people do benefit from their addiction and still are able to put their selves together. it becomes a problem when you are unable to control yourself well enough to not allow the addiction get you into terrible habits which will become a problem to you and everyone whos around you.

Unfortunately, this is exactly the case, and it is a very strange phenomenon. After all, we know many successful gamblers who are successful financially thanks to gambling.  But no one knows how much they sacrificed such factors as personal life or health.  
Therefore, often success can only be a way for a gambler influencer to be attractive to other gamblers.

No we dont say that.

The person who wins so many games, is a cheater. Because without cheating, it can only be a god who can make so many correct predictions, even though people are having wet dreams about such games every other day.

By gambling you will lose, so everyone is a loser in gambling. The owners of the casino are not gambling and hence they are the only winners.

I think it the same, when someone carries out gambling activity with high intensity or exceeds the limits of gamblers in general then they can clearly be said to be an addict.
Moreover, even though have win ratio of up to 90%, there will definitely be certain times or conditions that will turn everything around, win ratio of 90% will turn into loss and it is not easy to get consecutive wins.
Definition of gambling addiction according to my knowledge is when someone really spends their time playing and betting, it has nothing to do with more wins or losses.

But if someone has never experienced it, maybe they will only say what they think is true, not judge and conclude something based on experience.

This is a clear misconception about gambling. Addiction is not related to result of the gambling regardless whether you win or loss, you are addicted if you can’t control yourself to play gambling that already affects your life.

So a 90% winning chance rate gambler that play 24/7 is more close to be called addicted rather then gambler that casually place bet even if he lose most of his bet as long as he never bet out of his budget because this only show how he can control his gambling activities which is important to avoid addiction.

Addiction is not with the profit earned but the way it affects an individual's life in particular with daily functioning. If he's uncomfortable doing other things than gambling, then that's problematic still. You cannot be doing gambling all your life alone. Also I won't believe that a gambler would be winning consistently. Even so called "experts" has their down times and this is still the proof that gambling won't give you consistent profit. Indeed there are people making a living out of gambling industry but they have other sources of income as well to cover profit inconsistencies. Let's just think of it this way to not be urged to push our lucks too much. No matter what strategy we use in gambling, if luck won't be in favor to us then same thing goes with betting outcomes. No one really is an expert of something if there are variables such as risk no one has full control of.

I always maintain my opinion that being addicted to gambling is allocating money and time to the point that it harms your family relationship and your mental health; gambling should be in moderation whether you are winning or losing, even if you have a good winning, you just can't be sure that you can maintain that for a long time.

There will be times when you experience a losing streak, so if you're not moderating your time and money, you will eventually lose everything because you are going to chase your losses. Gamblers who chase their losses usually are gamblers who are used to winning.

I understand what you mean. Addicted gamblers has always been sighted as gamblers who does not keep a gambling schedules but gambling at every given opportunities while their savings, incomes, schedules, mental health and even loved ones are being affected at the course of their irresponsible gambling life styles.

But at this your context OP, people may not have such a regular winning and a regular gambler who does not loose but always winning an addicted gambler but being realistic and calling the spade a spade, they are all addicted but since this does not affect such addicted gamblers incomes and savings definitely it is not going to affect his loved ones too, we can actually say he is addicted but not irresponsible to his daily life.

Gambling depends on a person's control and if he can control himself then it will not become an addiction. And if the gambler cannot control himself then surely gambling has become a huge addiction. If a gambler wins 90% of the game and plays every day of the week then we say he is a gambling addict. A responsible gambler never gambles all the time, but they gamble intermittently, I would say a gambler must control himself and refrain from gambling constantly.

Gambling, of course, depends on self-control. However, one thing we may not be able to guarantee is that when a gambler is first able to make money from gambling, his greed increases. As a result, he wants to gamble again and againI think most people get addicted to gambling because of greed.
We can provide many such proofs. I have also seen people who hated gambling from the beginning but after a few days of gambling they became addicted to gambling and tried to make money from it. But those who are professional gamblers gamble with control and responsibility.

If the person gambles every day and wins 90% of his sessions, then we don't call that person an addict because that person is an expert or the luckiest person. For example, there are people who play Poker all the time, one has made a fortune and won millions of dollars but another person hasn't won anything and is in loss but still continue gambling. The first one is an expert and the second one is an addict but he is an addict if playing poker financially affects him, wants to stop but can't stop.

If you play slots and win a jackpot worth millions of dollars, no one will call you an addict if you stop playing and use that reward to start a business but if you don't stop and spend back every winning in slots, then they'll call you an addict. That's how our society works and it's very normal.

You cannot define a person who is addicted with his winning and losing experts define addicted to gambling as Compulsive gambling (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178)
So if those two gamblers have this characteristic, then we can consider them addicted to gambling regardless of whether they are winning or losing continuously.

It's not the result but the characteristic that defines a compulsive gambler, but it's hard for a gambler who keeps winning to get out of addiction they will defend their result to continue gambling.

Although the both threads might be similar but I am trying to know the difference between this 2 gamblers. However if one is is addicted and he's not winning for over a year then all of a sudden he starts winning we won't say that the gambler is still addicted because he's winning but we could only remember those days he normally loses. With what I gave seen, what makes people to know that one is addicted to gamble is his character, the way he gambles.

As far as I can see the OP is talking about a sports bettor. In that case I wouldn't see it as a problematic case of gambling, as it's like someone who has a small business and spends many hours on it to earn more money. The problem with problematic addictive behaviours is that people repeat them despite the negative consequences, but in this case it is not the negative consequences that are important, it is the ability to continue to grow professionally as a sports bettor and earn more money.

There is definitely a difference, there are some gamblers who take up gambling professionally and their winnings will not be the same as the winnings of a normal gambler. Again, there is no guarantee that you will only win in gambling. Here we cannot keep ordinary gamblers and professional gamblers in the same line. Also, the purpose of gambling is to win and those who can do that work will not be wrong, to call them experienced because even if there is luck in gambling, the amount of winning will be somewhat higher in the case of those who are experienced. A gambler who can keep winning considering his knowledge and intelligence cannot be called an addict because his winnings are high because he is right in his goal. Again, the gambler who continues to engage in non-stop gambling having loss must have some faults.

I believe that when we look at the results that a person has achieved we should not conclude that that person is addicted to gambling. in the same way that a person can spend hours playing every day without becoming addicted to gambling. For example, there are people who are professional bettors, they spend every day making bets, but they are not addicted to gambling.

Let’s look at these guys’ cases:

TOP SPORTS BETTORS IN THE WORLD: A GLIMPSE INTO THE BETTING POTENTIAL OF FAMOUS AND SUCCESSFUL GAMBLERS (https://oddsmatrix.com/top-sports-bettors/)

These are people who won a lot of money in sports betting, and you don't need to be very intelligent to conclude that they spent many hours involved in gambling. and if we investigate how many people mentioned in this article are addicted to gambling, we will see that the number is very low. This is because when people have discipline, when people are aware of the danger, when people know what they are doing, they tend to play with less attachment, with less feelings and do not make gambling their only fun or their only means of take up time.

The mistake some people make is that they only focus on the game and forget about other things in the real world, and when they do that they become addicted to the game, this is the addiction phase. There is no problem for a person to play every day, as long as they always use money that they can afford to lose and as long as they can leave the game at any time, something like being able to say: "I will not play for a few days" and comply, as long as that also does other things in the real world.

Both situation can change into gambling addiction especially if they don't have control over themselves. Even if we called him an expert gambling, he can becomes addicted to gambling so no matter if you have skills in gambling and can wins many times, it is better you control yourself and know when you must quit gambling. We never know when we change into gambling addiction so we must be careful when playing gambling.

Winning and losing in gambling can makes someone to becomes addicted to gambling. But the fact people will not call someone who wins many times as addicting to gambling. An expert in gambling know how to treat gambling and although he wins in all of his prediction, that will not makes him as addicted to gambling because he have many things that can prevents him from gambling addiction.

The concept of a successful gambler has already become very blurred.  It’s just that now is a time when we see a lot of gambling influencers, and no one knows how much they earn. These guys set themselves the task of attracting as many people as possible into gambling on their streams, while these gamblers and influencers most likely plan to live on advertising money. And not at all for winnings from gambling.
And this is nonsense, because it is easier to call such people showmen rather than gamblers.

Perhaps you call the first gambler an experienced gambler, and the second an addicted one, but for me they are both addicted to gambling despite the win rate and prize money, if all their life interests are concentrated in gambling (24/7 12/5).

Losses are not yet a manifestation of gambling addiction, and large prizes are not the absence of this. Gambling addiction is when a player can't live (spend even a day) without gambling and when the passion for gambling suppresses all other interests and needs of a person.

it's not like that, I don't agree with what you said, that those who win at gambling during (24/7) are considered experts but those who lose at gambling are considered addicts,
the definition of addiction is not like that, losing or winning in gambling if a gambler spends his activities or in the sense of gambling every day, it means that the person is addicted to his gambling activities,

and I'm not sure that there is a gambler who always wins every day if that person plays gambling, I have never found or seen someone like that, maybe there are some people in this part of the world who have luck in their gambling, but I hesitate to say that he is an expert in gambling. (gambling master), before looking at the luck that is shown, it is better to look back at his activities during the gambling session that was played or in terms of how much money the person has spent or gambled, so that the person can achieve good luck every day

It’s possible to achieve on sports betting since an expert on sports analysis can increase their winning percentage when placing bet. This is impossible to achieve on luck based games such as casino games that is pure luck.

The majority of gamblers surely almost impossible to achieve this since only few people is very good on sports analysis that incorporates it in betting.

Also, there’s an arbitrage method that gives some user +Expected Value, but this is risky since casino often caught them if done on same bookie provider.

The difference is someone who is addicted to gambling and can't win because they are careless and can't control themselves, whereas it is different from expert gamblers, even though they are addicted, they often win their gambling and can still control themselves not to be careless in betting, usually they have their own strategy or analysis. first the game they will bet on.

However, addiction is still not good for those who are careless and they will not become experts even if they gamble often, so it is better to improve their skills first to deepen the gambling game, after that they can play it with more self-control.

This quote has become a law of nature, sayings like that don't only happen in the world of gambling, in other things too.
For example:
He is not an expert racer, because he can be beaten, on the contrary he is an expert in racing, all tournaments can be won.

Great expert in gambling, these words come out when the person can win a lot of games and vice versa, it is said, that is human nature.

For me, winning and losing doesn't matter, it's just fate because he's unlucky in the gambling arena. Losing streaks are not addictions, it's more about good and bad luck.

I don't agree with this. A person is not a gambling addict simply because they gamble every day. A lot of people gamble every day but they're not addicts. In fact, there was a time when I gambled every day of the week but I was not addicted because I had control of what I was doing.
The difference is an addict would do anything to gamble and won't be fine unless he satisfies his cravings, but cravings cannot be satisfied, they will always be there.

Take this forum for example. I'm on this forum every day, but that doesn't make me addicted to the forum. If I stop coming to this forum I will be fine. Will I miss it? YES, I will, but will I be fine without it? Yes.
For gambling, they can't be fine if they don't gamble. They'll feel like they're missing out on a lot so they'll find a way to gamble.

So it's not in the wins and losses, but how well the person is handling it. Addicts do win gambles. It's not just losing after losing. They also win, the same way none addicts win, meaning it's a different percentage but they win.

I don't think winning or losing is going to separate gambling addicts by making one seem like a lesser good or bad deed, if the problem of gambling addiction is identified then a problem exists , period!

Btw gambling every day doesn't always mean one is addicted...if a user gambles for an hour everyday and calls it a day then I see self control and discipline, then we also have professional gamblers though I don't see this to be a healthy lifestyle of gambling everyday..don't know what others think...but primarily if selfcontrol in gambling is lost, win or lose then it becomes unhealthy!!

I can only repeat myself once again, we are all addicts. And we all have good & bad days, nobody wins in 90% of bets, that winning rate is possible, but maybe just a few people in the world have that kind of awesome gambling stats.

But you have a point, you described a "normal person's judgment". When someone is gambling and winning, or it's rich and gambling, people will not say a word, they will treat him like a lord, but when some poor guy is on a loser's side people will call him names and speak about his irresponsibility. The same thing is with drugs, look at so many famous people using drugs and that's ok, and people follow them and like them... but when you see a poor junky on the street that doesn't have a cent in his ripped jeans people don't even look at them.

we will never know the true situation of each gambler. Gamblers who lose and continue gambling every day cannot also be said to be addicted gamblers. you don't know the financial situation and how much is at stake.
The intensity of gamblers in betting may be a factor in gamblers becoming addicted. The benchmark may be changed when they lose most of their money on gambling and gamblers find it difficult to resist not betting even for just one day. This situation clearly makes the gambler an addict.

Whether they win every day or not if they gamble every day then it's the same as addiction, you can't play gambling almost winning all of it let alone almost every day even if it's an expert I would still say because of gambling addiction because he has won winning money there.

But it's better to win even in addiction, unlike those who are already addicted but always lose often then the addiction is heavy they will continue to force even though they lose.

What are the differences between this 2 gamblers? First of all is there any people that literally gambling like 24 hour a day. I mean this totally insane unless that person is a bot. I dont think even expert people would like to spend that amount of money.

Second of all if you really an expert and have winning rate of 90% i would consider that person is da real bot haha and if this true you can make living from.gambling

I agree with you on this, winning or losing is not an indicator to conclude which side an addiction is on, but we can see that how often he does it.

My understanding of addiction is when someone often does something and even thinks about doing it continuously, whether it's fun or not, whether they win or lose, and it's impossible for someone to win continuously in gambling, it's impossible in my opinion.

But indeed the intensity will be seen when you don't have money but continue to want to play gambling, even stealing or borrowing from others to pay for gambling and there can be very clear that the person is addicted, rather than people who always have money to gamble.

Someone who engages in gambling quite often is an addicted gambler, forgets about the regular winning he does experience. He will still be grouped as one of those addicted gamblers who can do away with gambling in a day.

OP, before we begin to differentiate and analyze the addiction to gambling, can we start by giving a small insight into what addiction is?

Let's start by, when someone finds themselves glued to something often, what word will you use to classify such a person? Addicted, right? That's how gambling is, whether you are winning consistently or not. So far you spend almost all of your time in a gambling house, you are being addressed as one who is caught by the addiction to gambling. No twisting of the word

Won't say it's totally correct though, but that's the idea of it. Addicted gamblers who makes good wins from their gambling activities might not be seen to the public as addicted. But when a loser who tries to gamble his life to a win will be seen to the public as an addict. He may not be able to control himself as he has nothing. His addiction will only ruin his life because he will do so many things to make sure he gambles. His family will discard him, the society will also do same. But then when you make so much profit from gambling and is addicted you might just be able to fix soke of your personal issue.

The reason why we don't see those gamblers that are always playing gamble 24/7 and winning is because they are always successful in their bets. However, it's obvious that even if we see them as addicted gambler, some of us might still meet them for predictions because we know that they are good in predictions. Although, it's only in sport games that we see good predictors, mostly on basketball, long tennis and soccer.

Since the reason behind it is that an expert wins the game every day while those who don't are considered addicted then my opinion is still the same, when people make money then it won't be considered an addiction.

So in gambling when playing every day, let alone no other activities, he is very addicted to gambling even though he is an expert, but it will be justified because winning the game people will not consider this as a bad thing because they make money while those who do not will be considered bad.

So let us not consider something different, once again in gambling will not fully win even if it is an expert in the game they will feel defeated and may try to catch up with their defeat.

Winning most times makes you appear like you are making good progress and you are not been carefree that's why you are winning so you are not addicted rather you are a responsible gambler who knows how better to gamble, and for the one who loses often, it feels like he's addicted and isn't responsible gambling because how else do you explain to the vast public that someone is loosing and is yet to give up on something he's not making profit of, he's just continuing despite he bad and poor results he's getting off it, it will be said that it's only addiction that can fuel such habit but then the honest truth is that this concept.ay not be completely true.

the only difference between them is the first gambler is winning and the other gambler is losing. both of them may or may not have a gambling addiction, the frequency of how much you gamble isn't the only basis to tell someone is addicted or not. anyway, the reason why people view the gambler who constantly win as an expert and the who constantly losing as addicted gambler is probably because of lack of education on the subject.

Addiction means someone who has a very high interest in an activity where he cannot spend even a moment not gambling, meaning that gambling and spending 24 hours a week can very clearly be said to be someone who is addicted regardless of whether they always win or vice versa, or the point is that winning or losing cannot be used as a benchmark to conclude whether a gambler is addicted or not, so that is another different thing.

On the other hand, to be honest, I'm really not sure that there is someone who has a 90% level of accuracy in gambling in the sense that he can always win or that his wins are much bigger than his losses. I hope you can explain who this person really is, because logically it is clear that this is an unreasonable result that occurs in the long term that ordinary gamblers succeed in doing. This is gambling which is a business owned by the casino, and I think we all know that the purpose of the business is to profit the casino, which means I will only believe it if the person is the owner of one of the casinos.

This looks like selective attack and criticism on people that are addicted to gambling because they loss too much money. You can be making all the money that you have always wanted from gambling and still be addicted to gambling because it's something you do everyday and something you can't do without and the same goes with a person that loss money but it's just that the person losing might be more affected because of the pain of not making anything.

My opinion is that whatever you do on this life, don't make sure you are too obsessed with that thing because it's every bad. It's more like you can't do or live without it you will not enjoy life, now imagine that thing is now affecting you just like you are losing money and you are trying so hard to make back the money and you are not making any progress but because of the addiction, you can't just do without it, this is a very bad thing I don't want to wish even my enemy.

That is only the perception of people. But that is not how it usually happens because a person who will win almost 90% of all his predictions is not an expert but a lucky gambler, and that doesn't determine that he can't get addicted to gambling, but the act will even increase his chance of being addicted to gambling because seeing himself win almost every game he stakes will arouse his interest and make him feel like he is the best ever, which might make him greedy, and from there he will be addicted to gambling, and if his lucky time has finished then he will definitely lose.

Then those that find it hard to win in their game, why do you think people tag them as the gambling addicts? Because they have that interest in going after their loss, and that will make them get addicted without them knowing, so I think that is why people tag them as the gambling addict.

You are correct mate. An addicted gambler is not only the one who looses in gambling but an addicted gambler can also win gambling good number of times. Someone who is addicted is one who can stay without gambling. Addicted gambling will still want to play to recover lose in gambling after losing so many times, addicted gambler will want to continue gambling after winning a jack pot. Addicted gambler would want to do anything to get money just to play gambling at all time, I think this is just the way to know someone who is addicted to gambling. Their is nothing like expert in gambling because the game is unpredicted, mot people who claim to be expert of gambling are addicted because they can't control the way at which they gamble.

let me ask you same question, someone who is a frequent gamble and when it gamblers at least ten (10) times weekly and it loses at least six (6) and win win four (4) out of ten, will you describe the person as addicted gambler, I think that question op asked is reasonable enough, because we alway see someone who addicted or frequent gambler as addicted gambler and we see the person as someone who doesn't think properly, but I don't know for you but people whom I have seen discussing gambling always make such utterance, do think is good to say someone who gamble that much and win most of what it gambles is addicted gambler

If you look at the definition of gambling addict, it doesn't correspond to whether the gambler is in winning or losing streak. It is more of emotional aspect of the person. Is he losing control of himself or preoccupied with things he couldn't contain himself when in front of his games? What is the tolerance level of this person? Is he satisfied with himself just to play one hour or could go for longer hours? How about his bets? Is he continuously betting and further increase his bets?

although I doubt that there will be bigger wins even if he is an expert, I think it is the same as addiction, because if he can get more wins it allows him to continue gambling and makes his adrenaline peak which can make it difficult to get out of it. Apart from that, winning or losing can of course be addictive, the same as other games, maybe when you win you will be addicted and when you lose you will become curious and that can happen to everyone.

by gambling every day and getting bigger profits than losses does not guarantee that he is a healthy gambler, because I think if he gambles every day it already indicates that he is an addict. because someone who is addicted tends to not be able to get through his daily life by gambling, so there is a feeling of wanting to gamble and it cannot be suppressed so he gambles every day without missing a single day. That's my own view, I don't know anyone else's. because of course everyone's views are different, but in my opinion, gambling every day is a sign that he is addicted, even though the profits are greater than the losses.

This is just people’s opinion, and it varies from person to person. I have seen many people calling both types of people as addicts, as they risk the money in order to make money. Moreover, I have also seen people calling these professional gamblers; they do so because they continuously win the game and bet again with the profits they have earned from the previous bets. If you are not forcing anyone for money or not lending money and just using your own money and profits to gamble, then society doesn’t look on you in a disgusting manner. For them, you are just an expert gambler with lots of strategies and tactics.

Maybe that concept is blurred but the gambling addiction can happens to all gamblers, no matter if they are an experienced gamblers or novice gamblers. Gambling addiction can comes easily for all gamblers especially when they don't have a good control while they playing gambling and not reminds that they can becomes addicted to gambling. That's why they must not playing gambling excessively because that can makes them getting addicted to gambling and use all of their money without any left.

The influencer is only attract attention from many people to follow them to playing gambling. If people getting attract to gambling, that will not influencer wrong because that will people's decision to playing gambling. If those people can't control themselves in gambling, they will becomes addicted to gambling and that is not a mistakes from influencer or other people who brought them into gambling because that will be responsibility to each people.

Without a doubt the results a person can get determine what other people think about them, so I do not find this surprising or odd, if a gambler can use their knowledge to beat the casinos, then even if this took them forever, we will think of them as successful.

However if the results they got were negative, there is little doubt we will think about them as having a problem and being in dire need of an intervention so they can stop that behavior at once.

When someone is constantly engaging in gambling whether he's always in profit or loss, that is classified as an addiction, let's face facts some people are very lucky in life, but luck luck doesn't shine on anyone everyday, you can be making progress for a while but with time you'll start losing everything.. Making too much profit can make you an addict and losing can also make you addicted, so both cases are not mutually exclusive but every gambler must have a sense of moderation

Do we really have to believe that there is expert gambler? or everyone of us are relying in 50% luck and 50% skills ?

that would be what i do believe in my years of gambling .

I have never even found someone who is truly an expert at gambling except someone who is lucky in gambling so I started to conclude that when it comes to gambling you can only rely on 80% luck and the rest is knowing how to play and knowing how to place money and how to It's interesting when you win. But in cases like this of course there will always be quite different assessments from each person because if there is someone who is truly an expert at gambling, of course he will always win more.

if you read my whole post and not just the very first sentence you'll see that this is basically what I am saying, the frequency of a gambler winning, losing or the frequency of how often they gamble isn't the only basis for telling whether someone is addicted or not.

I've seen many of them that are full-time and half experts I'd say. I'll classify them as that because they've been gambling all of their lives and that's a real-life they are having as an actual gambler.

I guess we've got classifications of who can we call gambling experts and not. And the sense of winning gives us the idea that they're good and could be an expert upon looking at their outcomes.

But at the end of it, they all vary and one can say they're an expert but it might have been just their lucky day.

What sure is the gambler will die ASAP because they didn't eat, didn't drink, didn't pee, didn't shit etc because they gamble 24/7 and everyday.

It's really hard to find such guy since they always to hide from the crowd, the casinos ban or limit them, that's why you never found them. What we're seeing is self pro claimed professional gambler who're losing, but they want to build their branding to gain followers and selling their shitty course/secret.

Could you be more preise with the analogy, is it placing ten stakes or haing 10 different gambling sessions for just a week. Also how long are you intending for each gambling session to last?. I think this explanation would help me formulate a proper response to this question with statistics.

A person who wins most of his gambling sessions but gamble frequently is an addicted gambler since he spends more than enough time gambling.  There ought to always be a balance in our activvities so that we don't over do it and create future problems from our present overindulgence. He is winning  today right?, would he win forever?

Have you thought about what would happen if this same person starts experiencing losses?,  do you think by any miracle he would be able to restrain himself easily from experiencing terrible losses since it is a default action for him to gamble frequently developed from the time he was securing hefty wins?

Right.
In general, the topic of independence in gambling is very relevant. If someone does not know how to control themselves, then they are doomed in gambling. How many stories have we heard about betting when one friend was jealous of another friend’s winnings, and because of this he began to play and play. Moreover, if he had knowledge in sports, he thought that this is how he would apply it. And that was a mistake.
We must don’t envy others, we can’t think that we smarter than everyone else, we can’t succumb to advertising provocations. This is exactly what casino promoters are waiting for, because they know our psychology very well.

It might be the same answer given in the other thread related to this thread. I don't know if people know how gambling addiction starts in gambler's life. It starts whether you are winning or losing. Winning every day can't stop you from being and addicted. Addiction comes from the mind and not the winning. Winning can make a gambler to be more addictive to gambling because as that time you don't want to go home with empty pocket so you will be continue gambling to fill your pocket.

Once one can control his mind then whether he wins or lose he can't be addicted. Be a responsible gambler know when to gamble and when to quit in the day. And it is not possible for gambler to win everyday. He must lose one day.

Same addiction only applies on these two people, but I think the other one is more intelligent compared from the one who always made losing streaks. Though that person who won many times because of his certainties in predicting goods bets, it doesn't give him the excuses of not being addicted. Once the habit became gradual and excessive addiction really took place.

Yes, this means that addiction is not measured by the results but by the actions and behavior of the gambler, it doesn't matter whether you always win or whether you always lose, the point is that when you gamble excessively in the sense that you can't spend even a moment without being involved in gambling then it is clear that in call it an addiction.

Luck does exist and everyone has luck in their life, but I think we all know that luck is something that happens by chance, meaning there is no element of consistency to always be lucky all the time, meaning luck does exist but consistency is another thing, or This means that luck is something that is temporary as you believe and that is true, meaning that I don't believe that there is an ordinary gambler who always wins every day in the long term, that is doubtful.

So in my opinion the point is that when you gamble every day it means you are addicted, because there is excessive interest so you do it often regardless of the results.

But if you are an experienced gambler, you should know that it is never possible that a gambler can continue gambling for 24 hours and be able to win all his predictions. 

Also, even if an expert gambler is winning all the time, he or she cannot stand to gamble for 24 hours and neglect every other important thing that they need to do. When you are winning, you are an expert, but experts in gambling also experience losses; experts don't chase losses; experts know when to stop; and experts don't sell their house to gamblers. Experts still have some rules that they work with and only gamble when the score is favorable to them, but the addicted gambler can experience many losses while chasing losses. The addicted gambler can miss out on other important activities because of the distraction from gambling. 

This is really a nice topic because the argument about gambling addiction is one sided. I have never seen a post associating gambling addiction to winning, it is always when there are losses of high magnitude that we remember there is something called gambling addiction. But it has not even occur to me that we can call someone that is winning a gambling addict, instead it may be right to see the person as wise and a good investor. I tend to agree with this though because if there is no progress in gambling, it is expected that the gambling control his gambling to avoid much damages.

From my perspective, both are addicted gamblers the only thing that separates them is luck, one is more lucky than the other that is why he has more wins than the other. In gambling, you cannot be lucky all the time, so the period where one gets really lucky and have a win of 90% of his total gambling for the day, we tend to describe that as his day, tomorrow might be the other guys turn to be lucky too. The only thing that might separate the both of them is if the other guy is gambling irresponsibly whereas the other gambling is addicted but still manages to make some good decisions. Though the one with the irresponsible attitude towards gambling could be on the winning side. That is why gambling is a bit complicated and the only way to explain the whole comparison is luck.

Well, I will not completely categorize gambling addiction as misplacement of priority rather its more of the behavior of the gambler and the frequency of his engagement in gambling. Some people have more ability to control their behavior towards gambling than others, just like people fall in love differently. While some people try as much as possible to control their emotions and not allow their feelings override their emotions, others can not leading them to reacting differently to heartbreaks. The same situation happens to gamblers.

You can't get a straight opinion about this because people will alwsys prove a point when it's their own. What I mean is that a person who is making money from gambler and can't do without gambling would deny that he is not addicted to gambling but let's not forget that addiction is addiction especially when you check it almost every day and play it ones or twice a day, this is nothing but addiction as long as you just can't do without gambling.

However, since people who tend to loss money to casino have this general characteristics of looking unkept, borrow too much funds and doesn't win much and yet never quit are the people seen as gambling addicted and that's because they don't give up despite the negative effects it has on them but whether you make money from gambling or you don't buy you can't do without it,  consider such person as  an addicts.

We can be playing games at the same time but be addicted on different levels, those that were perceived for addiction in gambling are the ones that could not control or discipline on the way they are gambling, and the money we are unable to achieve any of these, we should expect to begin to see the manifestation of gambling addiction in what we do, which should also be our own responsibility for it side effect seen.

The gamblers who win 99% of the times and are doing it 24/7 are still considered as addicts and that's the straight forward answer to this thread. When such gamblers face internet shutdowns and or power issues then they somehow react crazily by doing many odd things. They can't live without gambling even for one day and that's what is considered as an addict.

Yes, addiction does not matter whether you are winning or losing in most of your games. As long as you can't live life without gambling at some point, then no doubt you are really a gambling addict. But kudos to some addicted gamblers who still manage their finances well and still make good winnings over losses, that proves that not all addiction are bad but once you start crossing your limits in gambling, that will never be good at all.

What you just narrated is one of the biases about gambling which continues to stereotype it. You will never hear of the good names called gambling when people are winning but you see the huge bad names imprinted on it when they are losing. This is more reason why I opened this thread a few days ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5503773.msg64350172#msg64350172).

Whether we like it or not, addiction can be positive or negative, and the term implies our success or failure regardless of whether we are addicted to it or not. As risky as gambling is, people are still winning over all and they are addicted to it at the same time. Can we always say what they are doing is bad when it's blessing them?

It's because if you're frequently playing and winning at the same time then you are fortunate and able to build a career in your gambling activity. In life, if we're successful in what we're doing, obviously we will continue it, right?

But, if you're continuously playing even with no luck, and there's no good for doing so, yet you can't refrain yourself, that's called addiction. Because you're just increasing your losses but despite that you can't stop.

Sometimes I think that people actually know that if they can't control themselves, they will doomed in gambling. But that is not makes them see the reality and just still playing gambling without thinks about the risks behind that. They heard many bad stories around them but that is not makes them to be wise and trying to use gambling for have fun but for other reason, they use gambling to make money.

They don't have to jealous with their friend's winnings because that will related to their luck. If our friend wins because of their luck, we should congratulate to him but we don't have to try to chase the wins because that will be difficult for us. We really needs to be wise treating gambling so we don't have to gets a bad experiences such as losing too big money in gambling. We must remember that we can become addicted to gambling easily no matter what is the outcomes so we really needs to be careful when playing gambling.

90% of the games you wager as a gambler within the time interval you mentioned, multiplied by as long as you'd wanna continue your habits won't guarantee a win like you said. Thus, it would have been a good choice to blur out that part.

On the other hand, and also, in accordance with the first point i made above, addiction isn't supposed to be attributed to any form of misfortune whatsoever .... You could be an addict and still bag your winnings - yunno that doesn't guarantee? Loses!
Edit: looks like you're a type that embraces too much of the good times - especially when it happens in a row that you forgot in a hurry that we have the bad days coming?

It's really hard to accept for someone to get 90% winnings from gambling, it's an impossible thing, unless it's just a few gambling kelai, it's possible, but if you have done a lot of gambling it will be very difficult to reach 90% winnings.

Addiction cannot be attributed to misfortune or pleasure alone in gambling or in any other activity other than gambling, I think people who claim that are people who do not understand addiction itself, because it is literally not like that.
Winning and losing are not included in the elements of addiction, the phrase “successively is what says that someone has an addiction” or can be simplified again, someone who does it seriously and often does it, cannot get away from it then can be claimed as an addict, in gambling I think it's the same as that, if someone can't control himself and his time in the casino then it can be said that the person is in addiction.

It is quite a sporting theme that gambling should be played with a friend and that it should be your common theme. 

On the one hand, you can easily control each other’s fortune, but on the other hand, there is a negative factor: for example, if you win a large amount, then most likely your friend will begin to devote more time to gambling, because he will want to be lucky as well. 
But in any case, it seems to me that gambling alone is bad.

Yes, this is a thought that I have always believed in which logically the results of the game cannot be used as a benchmark for whether you are addicted or not, it is more about whether you are always lucky or vice versa.
Because addiction means when someone cannot spend any time not to touch gambling, and what it means is when you gamble every day even if you always win, it means you are addicted.
I will repeat that addiction is when you cannot spare any time not to gamble, and I will say something else here which also means that a gambler who is quite active but does not experience any problems or setbacks in his life caused by gambling can also be said that they are also quite addicted, but the difference is that they can manage their money and control themselves well so that they do not experience serious impacts due to their gambling habits. This means that I can confirm your idea that it is true that not all addictions are bad.

I think addiction is misunderstood by so many people, gambling addiction happens when the particular activity has a negative impact on your life whether it is the loss of money or the way your lifestyle as so many people become aggressive and intolerant.

The only difference between these two gamblers you mentioned is the income, one succeeds to win everytime while the other one fails. Both of the gamblers might have the same compulsive behaviour, addiction is about the inability to stop despite the negative consequences on your life, winning doesn't mean the gambler isn't addicted because addiction is about the behaviour and the impact on life.

To start with, winning often is impossible. In a different concept, a skilled winner can't be said to be addicted. This applies to activities other than gambling. Board games are exempted; skill is needed. A poker player who wins big money off a couple of hands can win more games. It depends on the skills of those at the same table as him. When playing games that require skills, winning helps us to advance our knowledge. Games like slot and sports gambling don't apply to a gambler's skill.

So, a player can't win 90% of the time playing slot or similar luck-based games. If a well-skilled player continues to win over his opponents in a board game, he is not addicted. Experience is the difference between a board and a slot player, which makes one appear as not addicted over the other. Slot players through luck expect to win a game, while a skilled board player can win over an inexperienced gambler. In the context of competing with junior colleagues, a skilled player won't be tagged addicted, for winning all his competitors.

I don't think the addiction is about winning or losing, is about the time a user dedicates to gamble, for me both players are addicted to gambling because they spend a lot of time on gambling, and none of them will quit playing.

But the fact that one is a winner in the long term makes them a different kind of gambler, he is a pro gambler while the other one is a loser who doesn't know how to gamble or when to quit. One of them is something bad for society while the other one is a good example of a pro gambler.

That's the bad things that people will do when they see their friends winning the games. They will curious and still playing gambling because they wants to feel the winning. They don't realizes that winning in the gambling games needs luck so if they are not lucky, they will difficult to win and will only lose their money. That is a jealousy that people experience and not thinks that will be their friend's luck that helps their friend wins.

Playing gambling is not bad if they can treating gambling well but they must see that many risks behind of gambling so they needs to know how to manage the risks. Playing gambling is a choice so they don't have to follow their friends to playing gambling instead just watch their friends playing gambling. That will prevents them to lose money from gambling while they can use their time to relax with softdrinks and foods in that place while watching their friends playing gambling.

It seems to me that any addicted gambler can not win too much. he can win streaks due to luck in a few bets but after that his decline begins. Professional gamblers are able to control their bets which is not possible for addicted gamblers. But if a gambler can't control their gambling or can't take a break from gambling then they will definitely be labeled as an addicted gambler. But the truth we find is that a person who wins a lot of bets is considered an experienced gambler and not an addict if he behaves like an addicted gambler.

An addiction is something you dos constantly without restraint or control, a gambler that's always hooked regardless of the fact that he wins or loses is addicted, winning has its impact on the brain and one of it is greed, a rapper once said too much money is not enough money, a lot of gamblers have this mindset, they more they win , the more they want to keep on pushing their luck.. losing too has its impacts and one of it is the uncontrollable desire to chase your losses... gambling should be for fun only

You have a valid point, but I think winning and losing can both get you addicted, nevertheless it all depends on the individual, the thing is a lot of people are likely to get addicted to gambling from winning everytime, cause if you are flipping and you are constantly winning do youthink it would be easy to tame that greedy nature, my point is winning is another way to get hooked in the lifestyle and once you trapped in that cycle you are bound to start losing soon

Gambling addictions features more than just losing, because someone can be winning his games and still be an addicts, when you talk about gambling addictions you are looking at a disorder regardless of which direction the outcome of the games are going, so if someone gambling uncontrollably even though he wins all the time which is not possible as far as gambling is concerned you can't win all the time, infact you can't win even 50% of your games talk more of winning 90% of their games as you mentioned, is not possible let alone winning all the games,let no one deceive and if any gambler's tells you that he wins all his games it means he is speaking out of addictions control since that is not possible and is either the ops is not monitoring his gambling activities very well and under overdose of addictions to the point that he can't recall his loses any more which is a worst stage of the addictions.
Gambling shouldn't be looked at as a means to win win win, of lose l, lose lose, but gambling is for fun and once you are over doing it, you are no longer having the fun but being controlled by greeds and on the persistent base you become a core addicts so regardless of what the name given to it, addictions is addictions and we should try as all means to stop it when it get us hucked believing that we are winning.

By the way, i would not classify the gambling addict on the basis of the result of gambling. An addicted gambler who gambles a lot using a lot of portfolio may be lucky and winning but he cannot win forever. There will be a time when he will lose his bets and since he over-exposes his capital he will soon find himself in a big loss and there is nothing to be proud of if anyone is having a patch where he is winning some consecutive bets. Also skill does not play any part in it and hence it is not right to say that someone is an experts in predictions. No one is expert as no can know the outcome of all the matches.

Gambling addicts We call people who gamble, sell houses and get into debt because of regular gambling but we don't call people who don't get into debt from regular gambling and earn money from regular gambling gambling addicts. Here, as a gambling addict, if I say in general, two people are gambling addicts. Because a person who sets aside a certain amount of income for gambling and gambles only for entertainment, that person cannot be called a gambling addict because he gambles only for entertainment. Now if a person who is taking part in gambling for entertainment wants to stop gambling then he can stop gambling whenever he wants but a person who is constantly gambling and making money or losing a lot of money by gambling constantly cannot stop gambling. Because he is addicted to gambling. So OP I would say that the person you mention here is a gambling addict because he has developed a good addiction to gambling by participating in regular gambling games.

I mean I think this is just a pipe dream personally, who do you know that wins 90% of the time with gambling? This is not realistic, unless they are the luckiest person in the world they wouldn’t even come close to 90% maybe like 75% if even that

Well that's a very interesting question, but I don't think we could say that a winning bettor is not addict just because he's always winning or at least because he wins enough times to stay in profit. We should first wonder, what will happen to this guy if for some reasons he can't bet anymore. If he's able to still continue his life without troubles, we eventually could say he wasn't actually addicted. But it's hard to say before it really happens. In addition, someone can win plenty of bets, and one day encountering a very bad losing streak, or betting a very risky amount he can't afford to lose and losing it all despite that.

I don't think there is, or I mean there will never be an ordinary gambler who has a 90% winning percentage in gambling, it's impossible, there is no special connection or relationship between ordinary gamblers and casinos.
Even though they are one of the luckiest people in the world but if the context of the conversation is gambling then I think it still doesn't make sense.
Casinos create games to benefit themselves because gambling is a business for them where it is clear that the purpose of the business is to get the maximum profit possible, meaning that when the number of gamblers who lose increases then their profits will also be greater. And also added again there is no element of consistency related to the results in gambling, or I mean maybe now you win but it won't last long because defeat will always come and become part of the game, meaning I really don't believe if there is an ordinary gambler who has a 90% winning accuracy rate and always wins all the time.

Presumably the player with a vast win record is highly selective in their gambling.  The losing addict bets on anything with seemingly no method or restraint which leads to pointless losses.   

If you bet and are wrong, you must adjust course or repeat the mistake presumably is the overall judgement.  Of course most bets and outcomes are quite random so its a highly judgemental not too helpful idea but Im pretty sure there is a quality difference between the winner and the loser.   

If your take to addiction is based on the winning rate of a gambler, I think you aren’t making much sense from the world. Let’s not forget, you don’t get addicted in only gambling, there are a wide range of applications for the word.

One can be addicted to drinking,
You can also be addicted to drugs.
That’s just to mention a few.

Addiction generally takes about having an uncontrollable desire to gamble at every given opportunity and at any cost. Winning rate doesn’t come into play here, it largely describes the habit but, if someone has a high winning rate, good for the person but, it doesn’t make the individual any less an addict should they gamble in uncontrollably.

It won't only make sense if they will still continue even knowing the risk that are involved with it but if they don't know it, then I won't say that it doesn't make any sense. We don't know maybe this was only their first time and they can still realize the good from the bad later on.

There are times that we have an urge and we can end up playing the game but this doesn't mean that we will now gamble non-stop which leads for us to get doomed later on, however, like they say; it's always better to be safe than sorry. I wouldn't be confident because gambling is a highly addictive activity. I get screwed with this already a lot of times and I'm still battling this urge of mine.

A gambler who usually wins and is basically in profit wouldn't need to make reckless bets or bet with amounts that he can't afford to lose, that doesn't make any sense. If I'm making sports bets, and I'm winning most of my bets, I wouldn't need to stake everything that I have won so far because I'm not at a loss that I try to recover my losses, I should be happy with what I have won so far without having to become reckless with my bets all of a sudden.

A gambling addict would usually be a person who doesn't win a lot, and they always try to recover their losses in that process, when they don't get success, they become addicted because they can't stop betting when they are at a loss, it goes against the egos of human beings.

So, in general, a gambler who loses more tends to become addicted and someone who is profitable will have a lower chance of becoming addicted to gambling.

90% means perfect win but I'm sure the OP explained this as an example of an expert gambler winning 90% even though it's unnatural.
So I think back now then it's the everyday players who win because the losers are looked at negatively, once you win you will get positive marks in your circles for winning.

It's a great question honestly.  People generally associate addiction with negative issues that come along with it.  Now if you are winning all the time there still could carry negative effects like loss of time with your family because of your 24/7 gambling.  It's not only financial issues but social ones as well.  I'd say anyone that does something 24/7 is addicted and it's not good.  Life needs balance to be able to have a completely enjoyable life.  Don't let's the wins overcome the unseen downside to constant gambling.

I would like to clarify right away about a person who plays gambling and whose winning percentage is 90% or so. I don't know such people, this does not mean that there are none, but I have not met such people. In fact, there was a similar topic on this site. I think that both the person who loses and the person who wins are addicted. It's just that when a person earns money, it automatically makes people treat his activities more positively. But as soon as he starts losing, then it will be clear that he is addicted to gambling too.

Yeah definitely not normal to get that kind of batting average here in the real world! Maybe in a movie like back to the future where the dude got the sports betting book for every game in the last 100 years lol

This is true, there is no gambler that will win every day because therd always bad/hard days in everything one is doing, not to talk about gamble that is a 50/50 thing. However, those that win 90% might be good on predictions but it's won't last long because with time things will change in the casino. Every company has the rights to update their casinos, mostly when they noticed that gamblers are winning with one particular option, they change it so it will be a little bit hard for the gambler to win.

You can call a gambler who is always winning an addict, but you're never going to find one outside of skilled games like poker. Casinos are in business to make money and they make money by emptying the wallets of all people who go on their websites. They do it consistently on things like slot games because they tell you up front that you are guaranteed to lose on average 2% or more each time you start a new spin. There is no way to defeat the simple mathematical logic that goes into these games and the random number generators might throw you little prizes occasionally, hell you might get a large payoff, but that is because they know you are likely to pour it all back into them.

First, 90% winning rate is really that something too good to be true but we cant be sure if there are people who do have such stats or simply we do make ourselves that delusional but since we are assuming that it does exist then lets put up it into the talks. You cant really be able to say that these people are really that not addicted towards gambling, on which it just turns out that they are winning and this is why it would really be covering up with those kind of assumptions that someone isnt really that addicted but rather they do really know on what they are doing but in overall it all matters about self control and discipline, because on the moment that you do find yourself having no control specially into your fund then this is where shit things do happen.

Making up some comparison wouldnt really be that something that will be precise. We can be able to pinpoint addicted gamblers behavior but on the other side of things there are still
those people who are included but not really that much obvious because they do really know on how to handle themselves on such scenario.

Some of us have seen gambling base on different approach, we may not get up to our expectations if we are not on a right page with the way gambling is to everyone, gambling is all about having fun, if what we have in mind towards gambling is to make money or win continuously, then we may not achieve the best and others may see us as addicted gambling than we are not in it entirely, i think having mentality in gambling is what differentiate the kinds of gamblers we have

Basically, winning and losing has nothing to do with addiction, a person can be addicted to gambling even if they are winning all the time, and they can also be addicted if they are constantly losing, but what matters is that when you are losing and still aren't able to stop, you are too deep into it because you can clearly see that you are not benefitting from it but you still keep going.

On the other hand, when you are winning, there is basically nothing wrong, you are not losing anything, you are not in stress or worried or have any mixed emotions, so you can continue without any problems.

This is why, I would say one shouldn't be called addicted to gambling only when they are losing, but when they are losing and still gambling, their addiction is more visible than someone who is winning and gambling more.

Yes, although I would say that having a 90% winning accuracy is something that is possible for the luckiest person in the world, but in the end everything will be according to what you said that there will always be a day where everything will not end according to expectations.
It is very unlikely for a gambler to be able to win continuously without losing at all because after all there is no element of consistency in the results at the end of the game, if that were true then of course it would mean that gambling could be said to be a risk-free activity, but the fact is that no matter what and until whenever gambling will always be a risky activity because the risk will always be part of the game.

Gambling is a business for casinos that aims to benefit them as a whole and in the long term, meaning that if you are nothing more than an ordinary gambler like most gamblers then 90% accuracy with a long-term winning streak without losing at all is unreasonable.

I would love to agree with you on this one but I'm of the opinion that winning or losing can be a factor that can trigger gambling addiction
In the aspect of winning most people allow greed to take over them entirely and this can make a person gamble constantly, losing can also cause an addiction with gambling especially when you start chasing your losses, there must be something that would capture your mind, it's impossible to just get addicted without a cause , all you have to do is identify what the cause of your addiction is before it turns into a serious problem

Do not let yourself to be deceived, no one can win that often, those that claim they do are either ignorant about how those casinos games work or they are scammers themselves trying to get people to give them money.

And it is easy to verify this is the case since the only thing you need is a little bit of knowledge about the odds behind the game of your preference and a spreadsheet software to simulate those results, and I can assure you that as long as the sample size is high enough, such a high win percentage will never happen.

That's true. My approach is there's a possibility that one gambler could see another gambler, winner or loser, as just a normal thing. I mean, we should understand each other since we have been through different ups and downs. This is why I don't condemn those who share their stories about losing because I also have been in that same position and I can tell how stressful it is that you want to somehow release it by sharing their story.

But how about those who are non-gamblers? Most of them will judge a gambler especially the loser because they don't understand it and they have no experience with it. I think we as gamblers should accept that reality because that's how the world works. The same with other addictive substances, smoke, and alcohol. They are easily criticized because of their bad habit especially if they are crossing the line and taking it to another level which is addiction.