What are the differences between this 2 gamblers?

[Wexnident]

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Oh I know this one lol. Had the same idea as you, a winner in gambling does not equate to him not being addicted, nor does it equate to him being addicted as well. Winning in the first place isn't a metric of addiction! It's dependence, an unstoppable or irresistible urge to consume something or do something. I don't particularly see any meaning in attaching "winning" in that definition since, well, it's not there. You're an addict if you're addicted to it, regardless if you're always winning or losing.

I guess some may consider addiction to something good if it brings some good things with it, and at some level, I guess it is. I mean it's better to be addicted to helping people than harming them no? But at the end of the day, it's still an affliction that can (and will imo) bring negative effects to you and others.

[MAAManda]

I have my own definition for gamblers who make a living from gambling, addicted to gambling & problem gamblers.

Gambler Who Make a Living from Gambling
This is the type of gambler who has long experience in this industry, does not play in a hurry and also has a good strategy in gambling. They also don't have FOMO for example in a sport matches, nor are they fanatical, they're pragmatic, because all they want is a sure win.

Addicted to Gambling
Someone who has been deeply involved in the gambling industry and understands many things here. Can we include Gambler Who Make a Living from Gambling in Addicted to Gambling? OFC, because they're one of them.

Problem Gambler
Another derivative of Addicted to Gambling, but this type of gambler has bad luck and less sense. He does anything to be able to gamble, for example selling his valuable stuffs, even taking out loans just to gamble.

[GreatArkansas]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

It's more like differs in terms, but what is meant by "addict" is you can't control your behavior, you always do it. So for me, the first gambler you said that gambling everyday 24/7 and always winning is considered as an addict for me, even winning or losing, it's considered an addict.
It just good because that gambler is always winning, but we are not sure maybe even with all his/her winnings, something is not good for that gambler like health-related, physical, or psychological.

[Poker Player]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

That happens with poker players. The 24 hours is obviously exaggerated because no human can work without resting as if he were a robot.

But going to what you say, there are professional poker players who play 8 hours a day, as if it were a job, and on top of that, multi-tabling, usually with several screens. Then there are others who may not play so many hours but spend a lot of time studying and reviewing the moves of the previous session, analyzing opponents that they usually find at the tables, etc.

Then, those who spend too many hours, we could call them workalcoholics, because what they do is a job with which they earn money. But this can only be applied to skill games.

[davis196]

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

Have you ever found a gambler, who is always winning in real life? Have you ever found a gambler, who is winning 90% of his bets in real life?
I assume that you are talking about sports bettors rather than actual casino players, who are playing "old school" casino games like roulette, blackjack, dice, etc. There's no way a traditional casino player could keep winning 90% of the time. This is simply impossible.
A sports bettor, who is winning 90% of his bets should be considered a super expert in sports betting and probably the luckiest guy on earth.
I get your point. A gambler, who is wining isn't called an addict, but no gambler in the world could keep wining consistently in the long term.

[retreat]

Addiction can be defined as an action that cannot be controlled even though the person knows that the action is having a negative impact. So from this we can see that a person who loses in gambling but continues to gamble, can be said to be an addict because he cannot control his actions even though he already understands that his finances have been destroyed due to gambling. However, for people who gamble but have a high percentage of winning, we cannot say that this is an addiction, because what he does has a reason that he has a big chance of getting money from every gambling and not all gamblers can be like this.

[lovesmayfamilis]

That's right, OP. If a person knows how to make correct predictions, he cannot suffer from gambling addiction just because he knows how to win; that is, he understands what and when to do. All he can develop is a feeling of greed that will make him play more.
However, those who do not succeed always believe that they are close to winning, and the next step is to place correct bets or predictions. In this case, not only is greed triggered, but also an abnormal addiction to the game, which his ambitions do not allow him to stop.
Most often, those experienced in something are self-confident people with a calm nervous system, and a sound and sober mind, which probably helps them do the right analyses after games and make correct predictions.

[danherbias07]

Not in my point of view. If you are always in front of your computer or in front of your smartphone gambling all the way, then you are an addicted gambler whatever the results of it.
Successful gamblers are the winners although they are addicted because they somehow have a passion for the games they are playing especially when it comes to sports. If a gambler is 90 percent in winning all his sports bets then I bet he also did a hardcore research before making his bets. It's not easy, it requires time and effort.
Unlike the other that you mentioned, it's not being unlucky when it comes to sports betting, more like being lazy in trying to analyze and check the records of the past games and players first.

[Hewlet]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

I just created almost the same kind of topic just recently and there's nothing different from this. No one wants to loose in his gambling and when one is winning, it's never looked at as a bad thing and that's where being called an expert in gambling when you're winning consistently comes in. In some way, we have to know that the primary definition of addiction is when you're regularly carrying out an activity in an uncontrollable manner such that you can barely live without doing it. For you, you can feel you're winning and that's why you've made it an habit but do you care to ask yourself what happens when you've become addicted to the act and you stop winning your bet but have coke to the point where toi can't stop playing tye bet or reducing on your gambling pace? That's when you know that moderating whatever you're doing is the best thing you can do as a gambler.

If we ensure that we are not going too extreme both in times of winning or losing, whatever comes midway in the course of our gambling, it's going to be easier to deal with them.

[bitbollo]

90% of win is a crazy amount unless you're playing with low odds.

I don't think that addiction has a definition based on "volume" of plays, but concerns also other aspects... likewise if you're playing bets that you don't understand or you're playing up you lose everything well... this is something linked to addiction.

I would suggest in any of these post to check pubmed and read some papers on this argument (here a good start https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5893944/) . It's a disorder that has been studied only from few years, I am not too much surprised more discoveries will come in next years.

[Zoomic]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

First, an addicted gambler is not determined by who is always losing or winning. Addiction means lack of total control over your lifestyle which tends to affect you negatively. Fine, a gambler may be an addict and still winning, but if you check his life carefully, you will find out that he has a little or no social connection with his loved ones. Important aspects of his life may be affected which he is not happy with. Look at it from this angle, a person who loves to work and make money may eventually get addicted to his job that he has no time for himself, his family, friends and many others. People may think he is making his money but his life revolves in a boring cycle.

To me, as long as you cannot say NO to gambling when it is offered to you even at the expense of something else which is also very important, then you are addicted.

[Z_MBFM]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

It doesn't matter if someone is a regular gambler winning or losing, a person who gambles 24/7 every day is definitely addicted to gambling. Because he is a regular win in gambling, he is profiting from it due to which a craving for regular profit is working in him and this craving has made him addicted to gambling and he has started considering gambling as his career. For this he spends his whole day in gambling leaving out other important work. It's kind of addictive for him. I can say based on my opinion that it is addictive.  Because no one ever uses the same thing 24/7 without being addicted.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

No gambler is always winning. The law of averages says a gambler will lose often even if he wins often. I think gambling is only a problem if the gambler in question is losing more than he can afford to. One person can afford to lose $2 a day and it not be a problem but another guy could lose $10,000 every day and it not financially burden them.

It’s all about having fun. The moment it stops becoming fun and puts a financial burden/strain on your life is when it becomes a problem.

[rachael9385]

The difference between this 2 gamblers is that one is winning and the other one is losing. One who gambles to make profits doesn't see losing as a good thing but he still hope that his winnings are closer than he thinks. However responsible gambling is what makes a good gambler, it doesn't matter if you are winning or you are losing.

90% of win is a crazy amount unless you're playing with low odds.

Low odds are still not 100% sure because some of them are not given the odds according to the team performance.

[bering]

90% winning accuracy steady from gambling is near to impossibe for me because i am sure there is no such thing in gambling world although you place your money into low odds @1.1xx or even below for sport bets but there is always the possibility of losing your bets

For me there is no difference to win or lost because if there is a person who did too much gamble i think we can called them as addicted in gambling because in my opinion this is same that if people win usually those people will return to gamble again because they were targetting want gets another winning even if possible can earn huge money from gambling

Even so with lost that people always be thinking how to recoved they money from their previous loses and this also causes they always be looking for the way from gambling so in my opinion the main causes why people can became an addicted in gambling is not because of their loses or win but this because they have no good self control while gambling and not responsible from what they done

[Kelward]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

I made comments on a similar topic yesterday and I still stand by what I said in that thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5503836.msg64351918#msg64351918. Gambling addiction doesn't really have to do with winnings and losing, it's about the state of mind of the gambler. It's not only when a gambler is losing that can lead to addiction, winnings also leads to addiction, a person that cannot control their gambling behavior is an addict, that is the way I see it. Although people can easily identity addicts that are loosing money because they're always broke and looking for ways to raise money to gamble.

[Yaunfitda]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

Again, there are no experts in gambling, I doubt that someone has like 90% of his predictions correct, that numbers is damn impossible to hit. But let's say he is, then yeah, you can call him lucky, but not an expert. Because just one L in his record when make him question his predictions. And no matter what percentage you will, if you continuously betting and like look for gambling as a source of income, then that is very wrong already. And as I have said, that one L, will turn anyone in a gambling addict specially if you are so proud of your predictions. You are going to continue and say that you wanted to start a winner streak, but lady luck is not on your side this time so the result is very different and most likely you are not going to admit to yourself that you are becoming a addict. So it doesn't matter if you always win or having consecutive losses. In the end, you might turn into a gambling addict.

[Crypto Library]

It doesn't matter if someone is a regular gambler winning or losing, a person who gambles 24/7 every day is definitely addicted to gambling. Because he is a regular win in gambling, he is profiting from it due to which a craving for regular profit is working in him and this craving has made him addicted to gambling and he has started considering gambling as his career. For this he spends his whole day in gambling leaving out other important work. It's kind of addictive for him. I can say based on my opinion that it is addictive.  Because no one ever uses the same thing 24/7 without being addicted.

I agree with you that people who gamble for a long time and gamble regularly are definitely addicted to gambling.  But there are many people who spend their daily free time in gambling because they like to enjoy gambling games which is a different matter. But gambling 24 hours a day cannot be considered as normal gambling. It must be called an addicted gambler. your logics are absolutely correct I also want to say that the gambler mentioned by op is definitely addicted to gambling and even if he is profiting from gambling now he will lose a lot from here in the future unbeknownst to him. Because gambling will never give anyone profit all the time. Profiting more means taking greater risks in the future.

[rahmad2nd]

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.
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I think it would be difficult for me to imagine someone could win every time they bet, especially with the option of gambling every day. Even though it is sports betting, it will be very difficult to make predictions that consistently win. Even though theoretically we can research and analyze every match or battle, the fact is that in every moment or match, anything can happen. This is what is unique in my opinion about sports, because the possibility of anything can happen, so it is very difficult especially for me to create a winning percentage of 90% as long as I bet. Even if there was an expert who could do it, I doubt he would only lose 10%. Just imagine if we bet on 3 or 5 matches, where each match often does not match predictions. imagine, in a week our predictions just missed as you said. The question is, are there experts who can do it? The reason is, I myself don't dare to claim that even though I like sports.
Now we are talking about gamblers who always lose, we are talking from a broad perspective. because, you didn't mention the gambling. but because it is related to predictions, I interpret this as a sport. Well, only someone who doesn't know sports will experience defeat over and over again. or, a gambler does not stop his betting session until he ends up losing his money.

[crwth]

Maybe the gambler is a professional one and has an approach that is made for him. What apart from a normal gambler who is addicted I think is The strategic mindset that The professional has and he can decide whether or not he will go through with the bet or not.

I believe the best way to determine if he is a professional gambler or just an addicted gambler is to ask what his motivation in gambling is. If he is to make money because it is his job, you know he is a professional gambler But if you hear someone saying that he wants to get over the loss that he created way before then you know who is the addicted one.