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Hello everyone. If you know how to do this, write me a private message.

the phrase looks like this:

1. 135 11 6
2. 618 11 5
3. 91 11 5
4. 346 1 15
5. 427 1 6
6. 305 11 5
7. 474 11 12
8. 497 11 10
9. 2 1 15
10. 206 1 4

there are 24 words in total and all of them are from the BIP39 dictionary.

Is this some puzzle you found online? Or is it your own wallet? If the latter, and this is something you can help with then you should try and contact WalletRecoveryServices, they might be able to help (for a 20% fee) or a bit lower if the amount is too large.

These aren't seed phrase but some numbers.

Each seed phrase words are listed serially. Maybe you can know what you did if you check the word lists. These isthe word lists: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt

OP you can as well as state the reward in their amount which you're willing to offer, at least one should have an idea on what he is working for.

This is not my phrase. I inherited it. A simple selection of words by numbers from the dictionary bip39 will not work. I guarantee whoever helps me at least $10k

I'd expect to be words from a book.
Like page, paragraph, word.

So you may need the correct book for the job.

I assumed so too. But the second column of the cipher is limited to two signs 1 and 11. And the third column has a value no greater than 20. It is impossible to find such a book that a 24-word faraza would be composed in such a way.

Are there 24 such lines and you show only ten of them for obvious reasons? Otherwise I don't understand how you come to 24 words.

In the ten lines I notice a pattern for the 2nd column: first three lines are all 11, then come two lines with 1, then again three lines with 11 and two with 1. Does this continue the same if there are more lines?

So far I've no idea what the third column could mean. Could be an index for word replacement or swap?

Your case shows the danger of inventing some obscure scheme to obfuscate such things and not have a documentation for unscrambling to pass to the heirs.

I also tried using a selection from the BIP39 dictionary but I could only get 18 words since some of the numbers are repeated so it's not upto 24 words because to decrypt that seed phrase requires some technical puzzle skills but you can check the link below if it can be helpful to you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3416202.0

Only 10 lines out of 24 are presented for obvious reasons. That is, one line is one word. And I also want to add that the pattern about 3 lines with 11 and two with 1 does not fit. Because then from line 15 to line 22 there are only 11.

You should quote the person you are replying, so that the person would be notified to know that you have responded to his or her questions or confusion, to enable the person respond to you, for clarification of any doubt. If you just reply without quoting the person it might take days or weeks before the person respond to you, because you can't tell when the individual will check the thread to respond to you.

It's fine, I noticed OP's response already as I have topics on auto-watch when I post in them and therefore see updates quickly.

At the moment I have no ideas what the second column with only '1' or '11' could mean. Could've a binary meaning or something like '11' stands for double in comparison to '1'.

And then we have the mystery of column no. 3 where some values repeat. OP already said, no value exceeds 20 and likely none is 0.

the values ​​of column 3 do not exceed 15 and there is no 0 there.

If the third column has only values between 1...15, then why did you write below cited?
That's more of a rhetorical question. Though I believe, to solve puzzles, it's necessary to be accurate with details (from the beginning).

When you said you inherited this "puzzle" (obfuscated backup?), did you thoroughly check there are no further clues or documentation or other helpful details, notebooks, whatever? Any chance to find something?

At the moment I have no further ideas or inspiration what these three columns could encode. I can only ask nasty questions which may inspire you or someone else to bring up clues.

I know that you shouldn't reveal more details. Just one question: what makes you think that the first column's numbers are actually indices of the BIP39 wordlist? Sure, none of the 24 numbers exceeding 2047 may be a hint, but regarding the small sample size, it's not too strong evidence, unless there's some writing or headline pointing to it.

I don't want to bug you. My experience with people asking for help is usually, they rarely have enough overview of all the details that might help to solve or bring a case closer to a solution. Sometimes you can't reveal all, as in your case, obviously. But still, there might be more details that you don't think about that could be helpful for others to find clues.

Try to "switch chairs", did you give those who you ask here for help enough details to be able to find clues or even a solution?

Do you know anything about the person from whom you inherited? Was that person maybe a member of this forum? Do you maybe know his username? Did (s)he participate in topics about weird backup obfuscation?

I'm out of question marks, need to resupply...  :D

unfortunately I don't have any additional information about the person that could help in deciphering or any other hints. this puzzle has been with me for a long time, since about February. and yes, I didn't say that the first column necessarily means a serial number from the bip39 dictionary. I only said that each line is one word from the bip39 dictionary. if you are interested, I can send you two parts of the photo as it is written on the recovery sheet from Trezor. Just write me your email in PM and I will send it to you.

Be careful with digital pictures of a wallet's recovery secrets, even when they are obfuscated with some strange scheme! Digital pictures are usually synced with some picture cloud storage. And cloud storage is just someone else's computer(s).

You loose control who might have access to those pictures and in these times where anything is thrown to be digested by some fancy AI, I believe the loss of data control is even higher. Comfort features in cloud picture storage like automated indexing and content recognition and labeling is exactly not what you want with such pictures of secrets.

There's a reason to only make analog offline backups. You don't want to experience the surprise when someone not intended solves your puzzle.

At the moment I don't think I can help further. Feel free to post a fragment as picture what you offered to disclose. There are certainly better puzzle solvers than me.

Is WRS specifically a good company to use.   I have an old ETH wallet from the days of humble mining,  worth recovering at these higher prices..   I spilt beer on the wallet catchphrase or something silly, its been many years and the phone is really not operable etc.   Ive done little as I figured if left long enough, ETH either goes to 0 or it becomes worth doing by someone expert.

OP should probably deal with a company, Ive always wondered on the potential escrow situation for a non working wallet 'repair'.

Feel free to email me:

thank you, I will try to contact this service when I lose hope that someone here will help me.

I received your email with part of the treasure hunt.

How do you know for sure it refers to the BIP39 word list?

I noticed 2 things:

• All "first numbers" are less than a third of 2048. That makes it not likely to refer to the word list in a linear way, as random numbers would be spread out more evenly.
• One of them has an arrow (->) in there

It can basically be anything:

• word 135 + 11 - 6
• word 135 * 11 / 6 round up/down
• start with word 135, add 11, add 6, add 618 to get word 2
• start with word 135, word 2 = 135+618, word 3 = 135 + 618 + 91 ... wrap around at 2048 to start over
• a book, page 135, line 11, word 6

Exactly.
Put yourself in the other person's shoes: how would you obfuscate your seed so that nobody else can access it, but it's still easy for you?

Is the Trezor device still around? I've read about physical hacks on Trezor hardware wallets that give you either the PIN or the seed, at least on some models/firmwares.

Unfortunately I don't have the Trezor that was used with this seed phrase.

have you contacted any such company? did they help you? and I would like to know which company I should contact so that I would not be deceived. thanks

So you had only one paper backup of your mnemonic recovery words with water soluble ink, or what? Redundant analog backups could've prevent this.

What is a "wallet catchphrase"? Somewhat uncommon terminology...


Maybe you should open your own topic with your case and not hijack this one, cause your issue is quite different from OP's.


This is Dave's announcement in this forum for his wallet recovery services: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=240779.0

Pay attention to use proper spelling of his website, since there are or have been domain typosquatters waiting to scam people. It's ...services(dot)com and not ...service(dot)com!

As far as I followed Dave's recovery services cases, it's not puzzle solving or fixing liquid damaged electronic devices what he's good at. Anyway, I can't say, I needed his help so far, nor do I know all of his skills.


Are there companies specialized in solving puzzles? I have doubts...

Thanks for the answer. I just contacted Dave and he told me that he would help me solve this problem.

Will you post back here if it's successful? It's too bad Dave doesn't post here anymore, I'm curious what obfuscating techniques he has covered in his standard checking software by now.

Yes, I did reach out and try WalletRecoveryServices before (it's been a while) and Dave managed to recover my funds.

I have also seen nothing but good reviews here, on trustpilot and Reddit as well. But I would still recommend you do your own research, and make sure you're visiting the correct website, there are some phishing links out there.

yes, I will have no problem posting here about whether Dave was able to help me or not.

Thanks, I have already checked the spelling of the link to the site and looked through many reviews and articles about WRS.

UPDATE

The question is still relevant!

Do you mind stating exactly which question you're talking about?

I looked through a few of your recent posts in this topic and frankly I didn't spot any particular open question from you. Simply state what's on your mind and make it easy for others to follow your thoughts and possibly give you an answer. Guess what, telepathy isn't quite a thing.

when i wrote that the question is still relevant, i meant that i still haven't decrypted the seed phrase. this is the main question in this topic how to decrypt the seed phrase presented in the first message in the topic