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Saw a tweet a while ago and it says:


Damn betting my btc asset its just a hearsay and possible viewers increase since crypto is going mainstream. Maybe HBO should invite some users here like theymos and others who might give them more clue instead.

Edit: Didnt watch the clip yet, but already seen some comments like pouring in. The video will be aired on October 8th, 2024 2am CET ( 9pm EST)

Source:
https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1841901176562094484?t=jaH8reXCbJSvuu2ouXQcYA&s=19

All I know is that I like HBO's TV series, they are amazing at making TV series and constantly high IMDB ratings on series prove that. I genuinely believe that this documentary will be amazing to watch but uncovering the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto? Nah, I don't believe that. That might be a good hype to make TV series popular and push people to buy HBOs subscriptions.
Btw why did they decide to interview Roger Ver? He is not a pro-Bitcoin person, he tries to label Bitcoin Cash as real Bitcoin and mislead people.

@theymos, did someone try to reach out to you and record you for the new HBO documentary? In the trailer, we see that they visited Bitcointalk.org and checked Satoshi's profile. You are one of the most interesting figures in the crypto world too besides Cobra and Sirius.

You think this is possible to reveal his identity?
To me like I know, the creator of bitcoin can't just be revealed that way couples with the vision of bitcoin as a financial freedom, and a decentralized asset and if this is defeated then what more should we rely on knowing that bitcoin is pron and vulnerable to attack. I could have loved to click on the link but due to security reasons I wouldn't click to watch. But again don't you think the creator of that post is doing that to gain attention?

Lol

That is basically impossible and highly unlikely.

If someone could sign a message proving himself and satoshi and the block Genesis miner, this would be terrible for bitcoin.

Bitcoin would have a CEO, this would be the beginning of the end.

Ofc HBO series is just a sci fi serie. Maybe something interesting info, but no big revelation

And the search to unmasked the creator of Bitcoin continues... Well they are never going to unmask whoever it is unless the person or group of persons wants to be unmasked. It is a futile search. In another case this is another revenue generation stream for HBO. It is a hot trending topic that most people will be interested in.

This is not the first time we are hearing story of such that satoshi identity have been reviewed or someone claiming to be satoshi, so for that seeing this one and claims makes no difference from the previous fuds around satoshi identity, why can't we just fuck it and move on with all the try and error attempts at uncovering satoshi real identity, because at some level this is going to remain a failed attempt all the way and I don't believe this one also.

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I agree with one of the commenters that this Original Documentary is 'Sponsored by and featuring Craig Wright.'  :D

I don't trust HBO because they aim to attract views and collect subscription fees of $9.99 monthly on StreamOnMax. I know they haven't revealed what they discovered until the final episode of the series to squeeze more money from buyers. I Agree with @shield132

As for the answer to this question and the puzzling mystery for many, which we have always found, and we have seen many people impersonating the real Satoshi, the truth is that WE ARE ALL SATOSHI. Every Bitcoin holder and Bitcointalk member is indeed Satoshi Nakamoto.

So, Satoshis identity is finally out? Yeah, right! This is total clickbait. There is absolutely no way an HBO doc could have uncovered the real Satoshi. They are just trying to milk this for views.

The video on X in the link that you posted? It is just 2 minutes and 29 seconds long so I watched it. There is nothing on the video that says anything about revealing Satoshi Nakamoto real identity.

Anyone that thinks he can reveal Satoshi Nakamoto, the person is just deceiving himself.

This is just another documentary where they are trying to identify Satoshi but they aren't and the tweet is very misleading. They did not claim that the have identified Satoshi's real identity but the tweet mentioned it very clearly, so that's a false tweet. Should be given a community note haha. Also, I am not sure why they are still behind Satoshi. Just leave the man alone, he built once in a generation stuff.

LOL. if satoshi's identity has been found, pretty sure it's not gonna be revealed on HBO's documentary first  :D

They'll probably just say something vague like satoshi is within us or may have been close to us all along. The documentary trailer looks fun to watch though so I'll be tuning in hahah, might be a good memory refresher.

I'm calling it from now:
There won't be much if anything new and they'll just try to reach a conclusion among the people we know to be early contributors already.

As if this case hasn't been investigated to death already. If Satoshi wanted to come forward with proof he could do so anytime. The traces he/she/they left behind are inconclusive to tie the persona to a real identity though.

Allow people to text their discovery skills, lol 🙄

You aren't gonna blame people seeking to know the mistry world of Satoshi being this anonymous ever since creation of Bitcoin, it really amazing though how he's able to remain absolute anonymous over this past decade and going forward and no one is able to find out who he really is.

Thats it, Satoshi himself/herself knows that the only way serious Bitcoiners
would pay attention is by signing a message from any known Satoshi wallet,
otherwise any claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto by anyone not doing that can
be taken as nonsense.

This documentary by HBO could be entertaining at the very most. To see how
they put it together and who they reveal as Satoshi. All it is is a bit of drama
and entertainment.

Real crypto users know this is hoax. Is this allowed? Can't HBO be sued for using Satoshi's name and possibly taking away his identity to place on to some random white man. Even if Satoshi decided to finally reveal his identity, do people really think that he would do it by making a documentary with a streaming platform? It is funny really. Don't they realize that the creator of the superior decentralized cryptocurrency will not be so eager to produce something with a platform? With a platform that is not even the most popular. Not even in top 3, I bet.

This is just so funny and a little annoying. There will be so much misinformation in this documentary.

This is definitely a clickbait since knowing about Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity is controversial and many people are already arguing if it is the real Satoshi Nakamoto just like the faketoshi. In my opinion, hbo most likely to use Satoshi Nakamoto's name in their series so that many people will watch it and see if what they claim is true. As others also explain that it is a clickbait situation rather than a real revelation.

The series is a lie!
To prove it, ok, I admit it -- I'm Satoshi Nakamoto!  http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/horror/winking-monster-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

Aw shucks guys they found me ;D.

That aside, I swear the title is just clickbait lol. Or that it's a "we're gonna find him/her guys, soon^tm ". I'm just questioning whether they can do this or not since it is technically a documentary. It's supposed to be official stuff with proof and the lot. From the trailer itself, it seems like Netflix just wants to tackle the beginning with the early contributors involved. Not exactly misinformation but still kind of misleading in a sense.

Yes, seems you are correct. On the official site of the documentary (its name is "Money Electric: The Bitcoin Mystery (https://www.hbo.com/movies/money-electric-the-bitcoin-mystery)") the following can be read:

So it may bring some few new speculations to the table, like new findings in Satoshi's writing style (a likely element in the documentary could be an AI analysis of his forum posts and emails ;) ), and even perhaps something another early contributor said during an interview, but the wording of this description is very close to the Newsweek article when they "identified" Dorian, who is extremely unlikely to be Satoshi.

Edit:

Nah, I don't think so. There is no formal power for the creator of the Bitcoin software.

Informally, if his identity is revealed, he may be an influential voice, but one among many I believe. He could in theory threaten to sell his ~1M bitcoin if the devs do something he doesn't approve. But that threat could only be dangerous in another hard fork, otherwise maybe it could mean a 20-30% dip.

theymos seriously defends privacy and against doxing someone else, so assume HBO knocked his doors and asked for information on identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, theymos will not give them that information.

It's if theymos knows about Satoshi Nakamoto identity, but he has never shared that he knows about it.

The HBO documentary film is more like a clickbait.

If HBO team read that thread I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0), they would have lost directions and given up.

This is bullshit. I don't wanna get hyped with this. It's obvious HBO tries to push their documentary with their click-bait title. It is their marketing strategy.

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I remember the mask man that exposing magic trick the moment I read the tweet. It will be hilarious if HBO will use same idea like mask man as Satoshi to hide his identity while talking shit like he is the real Satoshi.

I think most of the series will just same script with ancient aliens documentary which is more on speculation and assumption. But who knows if Satoshi is willing to become a celebrity now.  ;D

They know that Bitcoin market is in a bull run and this is a best time every 4 years to easily get more traffic to their platform. It's nothing more easier than launching a documentary film to attract curious people.

Should speculation about satoshi's identity be subject to doxxing rules? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488566.0)

About films including documentary films on Bitcoin, I know some.
[Collection Thread] Series and films in which Bitcoin (or Altcoins) appear (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1650522.0)
Banking on Bitcoin (Full documentary) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJa7HYKhSWw)
Deep Web (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0LgdtnOvc)
Magic Money - The Bitcoin Revolution (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVlGePX5JM)
Bitcoin: Shape the Future (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRmVRFaTIY)

I can't wait to watch this movie launch. I am not sure what the criteria of this movie? are Comedy, Thriller, or horror?
If they list this video for a documentary, I think there will be a lot of lies that they will show just to attract the interest of people.
As we know the person who claimed was Satoshi is a lot of out there. I am really sure they will be present as sources to make sure that he is the real Satoshi.
This is nothing more than a movie, just for having fun between in times. I'm sure many of them will be fooled, and they think that the film is real, and then they will share the screenshot and clips to his social media, and wonder if they are great because was found the real satoshi in the movie.

Sounds cool, i want to watch it, it is weird to see a big company like HBO making a "documentary" like this, i don't believe they will give satishis' identity, but it is a nice bait.

For sure they will mention Faketoshi and all the drama around him, that will be fun to watch.

And maybe they won't give the real identity of Satoshi, but for sure they will share some important hints, my bet is they will realize how Satoshi is a group of users and not only one user, but we will see.

I don't have any speculation about that but what I think is if that is the real Satoshi, we should prepares to see the drop. Perhaps that will impacts to the crypto market but I hope not.

We will see it if that is real Satoshi or just another fake person. But I believe that Satoshi is not just one person but a group of people who work together from different places.

If they reveals themselves, they will be after by many agencies and not just from one big country, but many big countries because Satoshi Nakamoto have the biggest Bitcoin amount that they want. Just prepare for anything guys.

Right.


That's right, I don't think these kinds of programmes are going to appeal to us. Their target audience is people who have heard about cryptocurrencies, or are starting to invest now but don't know much, and are curious about things like this.

We know it's BS. It turns out that 14 years later they're going to have hit on the secret that uncovers Satoshi, come on!

They've waiting for this moment because they will launch their video on Uptober 4th super cycle.

If they don't care with views, they should launch their video in the last year where Bitcoin price below $30K.

Yeah it's possible, what I'm sure is they will not reveal the true face instead they will cover or using other shit strategy that will not reveal Satoshi's face because they didn't even know Satoshi in the first place!

We know already who is the creator, and it's Jeff Garzik

Joined Twitter in 2009 when he create BTC in 2009

Purchased the bitcointalk domain name.

One of the central developers of LINUX and Bitcoin CORE.

Who better than him to seriously create bitcoin?

Only a big head main linux dev can build BTC, and satoshi nakamoto etc are fake name / secondary account for hide himself

These documentaries on streaming services are always made with a strong bias and in a way that reinforces a certain narrative. At best, they might be able to present a good case on why a certain person might be Satoshi, but based on the promos and interviews with the filmmaker, they don’t actually arrive at a definitive conclusion. Their speculation is just another theory among many that we have already heard before.

Most of the people appearing in the documentary just happen to have a shitcoin they want to sell, which raises the doubts about their credibility. Are Roger Ver and Samson Mow credible sources on Satoshi’s identity or are they just taking part in this because they want to promote Bcash and Tether? It is interesting enough that I will probably watch it but I will take everything with a grain of salt.

We heard a lot of times that Satoshi was revealed. But we saw the reality. As a Tv series like HBO, It's kinda impossible to find out Satoshi unless he/they wanna come in timeline. I think it is good for crypto if Satoshi Nakamoto will stay in hidden.

There will surely be many interesting theories, to close with the real identity of Satoshi is:

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If Satoshi is finally found, I  think he should awarded the father of technological innovation of all time. But the reverse will be the case as government will go after his life , forcing him to give access to the Bitcoin script and corrupting it. If I will suggest, let's praise his great effort but we should not attempt to know who he is, else bitcoins will become history one day.

I think our curiosity to know him will cost us  much pain at last. He has given the world the best tool to freedom and privacy , let's appreciate his effort and keep him pseudonymous.

It is important to discourage finding him through any means, let's keep enjoying the happiness bitcoins has brought as we look forward to when people will start using it massively as means of transaction.

I will agree with Peter McCormack, from nostr:


That being said, I still don’t believe Bitcoin would be "doomed" if Satoshi were to reappear after all these years. In my opinion, Satoshi would hold the same level of influence as a very rich Bitcoiner who contributed significantly to the Bitcoin client long ago. The only distinction would come from the prestige associated with being Satoshi.

Even if it's a marketing strategy, it's one that will certainly gain a lot of attention from people in the crypto community and among all Bitcoin enthusiast.

It's a documentary at the end of the day. They might try to compile some research and interviews they've done that sends a pointer to who is likely Satoshi based on some evidence  and some likely footprint he's left behind.

We all know Satoshi can't stay anonymous all this while and just decides that the best way to reveal his true identity is through a documentary that's done by HBO. They might be good at making good movies but this isn't a fairytale or something like that. If he reveals his identity, he risk being attacked by the government and it will certainly have effect on Bitcoin. Satoshi's hidden identity is a core necessity that even helps to strengthen Bitcoin.

It works for HBO this way and they are happy with effects from their documentary film. It's all they need, fact or not fact attached in the film, they didn't care.

Many documentary films can be made but fact is very hard to reveal and represent it fully as it is. Half of a fact is no longer a fact, and HBO film can not have even half of fact.

Satoshi Nakamoto is seriously with privacy and anonymity so it will be magic if HBO can figure it Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity. You see, they tried to find it through the forum, while many forum members failed to find it for many years. It is very not logical.

Only time will tell how the documentary will play out, but the main fact is that it got the community rolling + the attention to crypto and Satoshi in general ;D
The documentary can be bad, mid, good, or somewhere in between, there are lots of cases that the research done was done poorly or to someone's delight.

Cryptocurrency user probably should avoid giving their money to HBO from now. There are ways to watch shows produced by HBO without giving them any money. Although i wonder how would critics and average viewers rate this show, when HBO promote this show to "reveal" Satoshi's identity.

Haha, the Satoshi Identity Revealed saga continues! Honestly, betting it’s just another speculation trap to reel in viewers, especially with crypto becoming a hot mainstream topic. Feels like a way to stir up the buzz, you know? But hey, if they’re serious, maybe HBO should bring in the big guns like theymos or some OG Bitcoiners, they might actually get closer to the truth! 😄

Haven’t watched the clip yet either, but the comments are already going wild. I guess we’ll see what they come up with on October 8th! What are the odds they drop something groundbreaking?

I would say 10% to 90% that it would be nothing of sorts, and will be viewed with an entire stockpile of salt ;D But it sure will be an interesting ride both for the community and HBO.

Although the director of the documentary, Cullen Hoback, was behind the QAnon Conspiracy Theory during the 2016 US election, nothing new will come out of this one. There are speculations that Len Sassaman and since he has committed suicide the clause of signing message from Satoshi's address will be skipped. This is not the first attempt to unravel Satoshi's identity, and it won't be the last. I wouldn't spend a cent watching this documentary because it will cause more confusion than giving any valid proof. Good luck HBO.

Thanks for the link will provably watch this, but I'm thinking if its really possible for me them to unveil the real identity of Satoshi? My first impression regarding on this matter is they are using the Satoshi Identity Revealed to clickbait viewers.

Since they know that many people using bitcoin is curious to know the identity of Satoshi.

But let see what they can show if they really have solid proof that can really point out the real identity of satoshi. Since this will really so great and we don't know the after effect if there's someone could reveal the real identity of bitcoin creator.

If that is the case, then the best course of action would be to skip it, I agree, however, maybe HBO will get a wild card that would be at least interesting or good to laugh at, who knows ;D

If media vultures are happy to endanger lives by broadcasting wild theories about the identity of satoshi, just to boost their ratings, it speaks poorly to their character.  It's reckless and could put someone in harm's way.

I'd urge people not to watch.

I was amused when I saw this thread, wasn't surprised at all because I know that it'll be another of the countless threads that talks about unraveling the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. I believe that if for any reason that the real Satoshi Nakamoto, will want to reveal his identity, it won't be in a dramatic way like having a series for it. People like to follow stories that unravels mysteries so I believe that the documentary will aim at arousing people's curiosity, but in the end Satoshi, will still remain anonymous. I thank Satoshi, for his genius invention of Bitcoin and I hope that he/she /them still remains anonymous to protect the freedom and privacy that comes with holding Bitcoin.

Satoshi ~ Samsung, Toshiba, Nakamichi & Motorola.

Riddle on top. Cheers :-)

PS. Many new machines on Ix.

I saw the trailer and HBO didn't mean to focus on Satoshi but they just wanted to gain viewers under the pretext of Satoshi because we know that bitcoin users and its large community must be a little curious and subscribe to their channel. The point is, on October 8th we will see if Hoback 3 year research has paid off or not, he also traced his tracks on this forum and from the film clip shows Satoshi profile. There are several candidates who fall into that category and he also interviewed people who have been contacted by Satoshi in the past. Also I am sure they will not find a final point and the film will still end with a question mark back to the beginning. No one can reveal who Satoshi is.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91201894/satoshi-nakamoto-hbo-bitcoin-documnetary-money-electric-trailer

cant we have a little hint now pleeeeeze. maybe "sounds like.." or "bigger than a breadbox" or something

dont leave us hanging

Here we go with another round of Faketoshi circus, this time false propaganda is spread by HBO (Hyrax Films Production, HyperObject Industries, Hello Pictures) and directed by Cullen Hoback.
This could be just a another clickbait from them, but they are promising to finally reveal the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.
History of Cullen Hoback showed me all I need to know, but this could be another attack on bitcoin.
I can't wait to see that crap and have some laughs.

https://www.politico.eu/article/mystery-creator-bitcoin-identified-new-hbo-documentary-satoshi-nakamoto-crypto-currency/

I don't think they can do any damage or endanger anyone in one documentary if the mystery about Satoshi has survived for 15 years. As much as some people don't like it, we can't stop anyone from doing research, just like we can't stop anyone from using the word Bitcoin for any purpose.


If someone has a subscription to that streaming service, why would they refrain from watching it - on the other hand, I wouldn't become a subscriber just for that reason. It is likely that the documentary will appear on various illegal IPTV services sooner or later.

As far as I understand, this documentary will provide further evidence that the inventor of Bitcoin, known to the world under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, was Len Sassaman. This is a fairly plausible hypothesis.

Len Sassaman was indeed a very talented cryptographer. He is also known to have been a cypherpunk and a strong advocate of anonymity and privacy on the Internet. He committed suicide at the age of 31, 2 months after Satoshi Nakamoto published his last message (on the Bitcointalk forum).

Len Sassaman's personal computer was securely encrypted, and to this day no one has access to its contents (which explains the fact that the coins mined by Satoshi Nakamoto have not moved).

I will watch this documentary with interest.

Its HBO, I am not surprised, they are probably going to print a lot of money from this that's why they do it, if money isn't coming out of this they won't give it a try in the first place, so expect some stupid fake news with zero proof that someone is the real Satoshi.



The real Satoshi Nakamoto might not be the only one who is a smart cryptographer like you wrote, maybe Len Sassaman is also as smart as Nakamoto? Still there is no single proof that shows that he is Nakamoto, forget the part that Len died two months later after Nakamoto posted his last message.

HBO is obviously going to print cash out of lies if truly this is all they've got.

That story then does not match what can be read by some people like Gavin Andersen and other developers who claim that the last private communication with Satoshi was April 26, 2011. After Satoshi published the last message on this forum, he allegedly continued to communicate with several people exclusively privately.

If we take their claims as credible, then Len can't possibly be Satoshi - nor can Hal, who was unequivocally established to have been in public places (races) at the time when Satoshi communicated with other developers.

HBO really tryna do anything for money, ey?

As much as I don't want to support what they are doing, I am just as much interested in what kind of speculations they'll spout that hasn't already been said LOL  ::)

It's funny though that I even say this since just last year, I was also crazy about trying to find our boy Sats Nako's real identity and only came across crazy unhinged people claiming they know who he/they are lol.
Anyways, looking forward to the Bitcoin's equivalent to a YouTube Rewind LOL

They can be trusted by anything related to their tv series and others, but when it comes to revealing who Satoshi is, i don't think it's something that can be accomplished like that except they're acting for such role as well during any of their shows, Satoshi identity is what we should erase our minds from seeing come through, not again, we should instead be more focused on what bitcoin has to offer us and the entire people.

Are all of the interviews in the trailer original? I got the feeling that several of them were interviews I saw many years ago, though I could be wrong.

My current feeling on Satoshi's identity is:
 - Sassaman is a very bad candidate. If this is their conclusion, then they totally failed to do proper research.
 - 50% chance it's someone nobody's ever heard of, and nobody will ever figure it out
 - 35% chance it's Hal Finney. (Over time, I've moved more probability into this category.)
 - 10% chance it's someone else in the Bitcoin-verse
 - 5% chance it's a group within the CIA

But I'm really not a fan of the whole "search for Satoshi" genre. Being anonymous, Satoshi is an excellent myth and source of inspiration, since we can't see much of his flawed humanity. Mythical-Satoshi is a humble man who, with a lot of persistence and skill, but not with a level of brilliance beyond the reach of us mortals, single-handedly created a clockwork device so powerful that it shook the world. And then, in an action which nobody in the traditional halls of power would ever take, he had the wisdom to walk away: a modern Cincinnatus. I like that myth very much, and I'd rather it not be tainted by association with an actual human.


No, I only heard about the documentary when I read the headline on CoinDesk today.

I came across this in a media days back , I didn't even care to put more attention to it because to me seems like a way for them to drag some irrelevant attention to themselves. All I know is that Satoshi is an anonymous hero , and being anonymous make things way more exciting.

Some of the comment in that post is kinda of shitty to me , alot folks are just saying some shitty stuff on the comments section. But well let's see how things goes though, concerning Satoshi identity Revealing and stuff .

Not sure though but since its a documentary they might clip some old videos that could be helpful with their "show".

Too bad. It must be  Just in any case they opted and contacted you, would you cooperate in giving slight clue or details that could drive to decipher possible identity of Satoshi? Or for all time sake, bury this chance to grave for Satoshi's sake.

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Im sure many here dont believe what they are trying to reveal on that documentary later on, but still some will watch to see potential lead to Satoshi. Honestly, theres a part of me wanting to know who really Satoshi cause his really great.

If ever I had one wish that is on the top of the line, to meet or knew the guy started all of great things on crypto industry.

I think HBO just want to increase their subscribers so they come out with this kind of documentary, The clip did not offer anything, so I'm sure all they're going to do is speculate on who and what Satoshi Nakamoto really is because if someone on HBO knows who or what Satoshi Nakamoto is, there's going to be a leak first, then the documentary.
I don't like documentaries because it feeds our curiosity to ask for more so they can have another sequel or another documentary, I'm sure this documentary is what they believe in on who is rather than pointing with fact who Satoshi Nakamoto is or are.
I think I'll wait for the spoiler instead of subscribing to HBO, I like Netflix better.

Probably a bait to get more viewers and free press from everybody talking about this now.

The search will continue to be made just to seek sensation or attention. We have seen several times that there are people who know Satoshi, and there are also people who claim to be Satoshi but it is just a fantasy. I also believe they make movies just to attract a lot of people like you said.

So HBO released a documentary about BTC and Satoshi even claimed his identity has been revealed. I think it is all clickbait and lies. There is no way it is true, and we will waste our time if we watch it because in reality Satoshi is everyone, and We are all Satoshi because bitcoin is for everyone.

Evidence #1

Evidence #2

Evidence #3


Case dismissed, your honour.

I first heard about the case of Len Sassaman on an Italian podcast a few years ago. I found the idea fascinating, as it coincided with my idea that :

• Satoshi is a single person
• Satoshi is dead

It looks like you found this and posted it a bit before I found and posted the same ( did a search but didn't find anything, especially anything saying "HBO", so hence didn't see your post). Anyhow, this is pretty laughable as in the 10 years that I've known of bitcoin I can't count how many times I've heard people say they know who the real satoshi is and that they are going to reveal it to the world.

Well guess what, that never happens.  Still going to watch this just because I get HBO.  Sure provide plenty of lulz.

I was literally about to post something if this topic wasn’t already made haha although I know it was published yesterday I just came across this article on the subject https://www.forexlive.com/Cryptocurrency/bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-has-been-identified-will-be-revealed-in-a-tv-show-20241003/amp/

Folks, out of respect for the people who have maintained my forum so well for so long, I want to post this here first, for the record:

I AM SATOSHI

The only thing that sticked to my mind when I watched that trailer is that "Satoshi might be a group" which in this case, might be true.

This will be one of the many documentaries where they will try to reveal Satoshi's identity but in reality, they can't pinpoint who he/she/they will be because... they don't even know it at first place. It's also stated on that video where someone said "The more you dig deeper, the more inconsistencies you be seeing." hence, I don't think that these investigators already know who Satoshi is. Based on that trailer, they interviewed also the early contributors of Bitcoin, and I guess they don't want to speak too much about it as well, and there's a chance that it might just be a clip from an interview years ago.

Anyway, I might try to watch the whole documentary just for curiosity, but I will keep my expectations low as to revealing who Satoshi is because they will never know it. :D

Duh, Satoshi wouldn't even ask those questions. He would already have all needed knowledge for that. He had a separate test chain with 20-bit difficulty blocks. More than that: he knew exactly, how to swap coins between different chains, in a trustless way.

And if you have that kind of knowledge, then for example you also know, how to create an altcoin in a way, where those features would be just built into the new protocol (so you wouldn't need any external tool, because you could then do the swaps directly from your wallet, without even bothering about listing your new coin on any exchange).

Who knows, maybe this can be good for Bitcoin. As they say, any publicity is good. Even if it is bad publicity, it can still bring more attention to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general.

I get what you are saying about how these Bitcoin documentaries can be overhyped.  But even so, part of me thinks this one might actually give some cool insights.  Sure, they probably won't unveil Satoshi. But learning about the early days of Bitcoin could be interesting.  Just imagining those programmers working away at this new technology kinda gets my mind going. And even if the doc ends up being overly dramatic, peeking into Bitcoins origins seems worthwhile.  Though yeah maybe Im being too optimistic here! I know how these things often turn out.

Same thought here, there is no more enticing than uncovering the mystery behind the creator of Bitcoin.  This is just an ads to promote their upcoming video.  I say this is somehow misleading people into thinking that they had uncovered the secret but yet I believe we can only see hints and insight of the producer and interviewing candidates of people who are to be satoshi. 


For exposure yes but for the economics of Bitcoin... who knows?

No one watches TV anymore, HBO needs to invent some new themes to attract attention

seems to me that its not about revealing who is satoshi. and more about promoting certain other player as being the current monarchs/governors of bitcoin..

basically showing the standard faces of blockstream(A.back & S.mow) as being the chief governors of bitcoin policy. faming them up as the go to guys of bitcoin.. faming them up as the rightful heirs whom inherited control of bitcoin policy, protocol and patent*

*COPA/BDPL

Hahha i just write a thread about it.


Because the HBO the is a lot of articles that spread over the internet "Who was Len Sassaman, and why might HBO think he is Satoshi Nakamoto?" - https://cointelegraph.com/news/len-sassaman-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/05/iJPVz.png (https://www.talkimg.com/image/iJPVz)

Seriously though, the very best rumor/theory I have--which to be clear is very far-fetched--is that Bitcoin was invented at the CIA or NSA, and Satoshi and Bitcoin were created as a honeypot for terrorists that got out of hand.

Nothing in the way of facts behind that, but it's still hard to explain why somebody would leave $120B behind. Unless he's actually dead (and nobody knew him), only a government--and probably only the US government--could leave that kind of money on the table.

Nick Szabo can do that also dude. but who cares about who is satoshi right now?
I don't know why many people are still curious. is it because he has 1 million btc? and ask him to send btc? or what?.
Many people more richer than him, but not as curious as satoshi. I don't know what they want

but for what happened today, we are all satoshi
When you have time traveling to Budapest, let's come visit for a while just for make sure if you are satoshi. Your face will be mirror as satoshi because that Statue made form bronze-aluminum will mirroring our face.

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bust_of_Satoshi_Nakamoto_in_Budapest.jpg

I don't know but Jameson Lopp tried to debunk this theory.
Hal Finney Was Not Satoshi Nakamoto (https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto)

About CIA, one of early Bitcoin developers, Gavin Andresen has his visit to CIA, for a paid presentation after Satoshi Nakamoto left the forum and Bitcoin community.

Gavin will visit the CIA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.0)
https://gavinandresen.ninja/eleven-years-ago-today

I doubt that they are really able to reveal the identity of Satoshi. At most what they do is just create a narrative by visiting various sites and then interviewing people who actually have nothing to do with Satoshi. Maybe for the audience who are not familiar with Bitcoin, they will immediately believe what they say, but for us people who have been in this forum for a long time, we can only laugh at what they say, because usually it is only based on their assumptions and opinions, and in the end they cannot reveal who Satoshi is.

They don't have other source but to use old clips to help them create certain mind blowing documentary that can attract their viewers. But OG's is really doubting and questioned the legitimacy of their claims since many people has not convince on what they are trying to show there.

I remember this documentary before titled I am Satoshi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc8-mvbwzUo hopefully HBO will not create another fictitious or pure speculation documentary.

But let see October 8 released seems pretty much interesting.

You know the saying "never meet your heroes",  as there is a decent chance to end up disappointed.

I personally don't wanna know who Satoshi is and I hope his identity won't be revealed during my lifetime as I don't see what good can it bring.

James was able to prove that Hal was racing at the same time that Satoshi was communicating online, so we can take that as solid evidence that he is not Satoshi - unless we assume that Satoshi is not one but at least two different people.

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You write nonsense, so just look at how many subscribers the most famous streaming platforms have, and among them is the one in question, which according to the latest data has about 95 million subscribers. Let's assume that each household that has their subscription has an average of 4 members and that profiles can still be shared without any restrictions, I would conclude that more than 500 million people around the world view them in one way or another.

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Potential list from ChatGPT searches that might HBO will turn into when the show started. But seriously as per

Dorian Nakamoto Satoshi
Nick Szabo
Hal Finney
Craig wright
Wei Dai
Adam Back
Paul Le Roux
Gavin Andresen
Neil King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry
Elon Musk


Anyone close to chances among the list? Of course with the except the clown Craig Wright.

And another funny rumor from Satoshi Club.

https://i.ibb.co/MBS2d3y/Screenshot-20241005-192905.jpg (https://ibb.co/cY3gq7K)

Well its just a partly wish though everyone who has their idol right? Its not like it will happen anyway.

What is certain is that this documentary only attracts attention in crypto circles. We know that for 16 years since the bitcoin whitepaper was released, no one knows who Satoshi Nakamoto is. In fact, there have been so many confirmations made as if it were Satoshi Nakamoto but in the end they were also refuted. And in this HBO documentary, it is also rumored to reveal the identity of the person who created Bitcoin, I think this will end in a lie too because I don't think anyone will be able to reveal the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto forever.

Although this film will discuss the origins of Bitcoin, why Bitcoin is growing rapidly, and how Bitcoin can become a rival to the US dollar. There may be more speculation about Satoshi but what is clear is that Satoshi cannot be one person, but a group of people. What is clear is that this film will not reveal anything, this film is only to attract the attention of crypto enthusiasts.

@Smartprofit, your information about the approximate date of Len Sassaman death is incorrect and based on it I made the wrong conclusion in my post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5511762.msg64600806#msg64600806) - because you wrote that he committed suicide 2 months after the last post that Satoshi posted on this forum. The facts say that Satoshi wrote his last post on December 12, 2010 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228.msg29479#msg29479), and that Len Sassaman committed suicide on July 3, 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Sassaman) - which means that at the time of the alleged last communication with Gavin Andersen (April 26, 2011), Len Sassaman was still alive.

I don't care about Satoshi... All I know is that Satoshi is a pseudonym of an obscure person... If anyone claims it without proving it to be accurate, it's bullshit.

I'll watch the documentary revealing satoshi's identity, but won't believe it's fiction.

When HBO made this movie documentary, did they do research on this forum? At least there might be some information here that Satohsi left behind?

Come on, didn't you know? We are all satoshi  8) (Yeah, it's already written many times and I expect will be even more)
Well, except CSW for which we have a clear legal verdict  :D

PS. I surely hope the documentary is not about him, but with journalists and film makers nowadays you never know...

Just waiting for the premiere on October 8, 2024. lets see how this things turns out.

Discussions about Satoshi continue to emerge on social media X (https://x.com/PixOnChain/status/1842234971433635901), many parties corner Len Sassaman as the figure behind Satoshi because after his death Sassaman was immortalized in block 138725 (https://x.com/PixOnChain/status/1842235211771502998) as a form of respect. They, especially the team recruited by HBO to conduct research for years, in the end no one cared and no one believed. The crypto community will continue to keep Satoshi a secret by rejecting all the results of the research. Not for reasons of not being objective but we still prefer Satoshi to live in his myth until the end. For learning materials, anyone can watch but after all is finished one thing we need to emphasize "Satoshi is still Satoshi and he must remain calm in his place wherever he is or even if he has died, let only his name be known, his form should not be known by anyone".

It's not a beit but that's was the plan. You know Satoshi has been that misterious person everyone has been waiting for so long to see, many people seem him as a mentor for censorship resistance and the government sees him as threats, now imagine the suspense they have given people who believed in the cook up lies for people to watch fake documentation that are not true. If sastoshi want to reveal his identity, this is the best way I think he will tell people.

What about his Bitcoin wallet, why not even make it more suspenseful and sign a message in his wallet that contains millions of Bitcoin so the whole world will want to view tb most anonymous man in the history of cryptography but this is just like the way Craig White was having the attention all t himself but today his Bitcoin cash and everything seems to be dead and forgotten since last bull run.

I agree that this is just pure marketing and nothing more. They will show some "proof" that it will be one of the few people, like name Hal, and some others, and they will keep talking about the possibilities but they can't "know". They need satoshi to come out with proof, and that is not going to happen, and we are not going to see them finding it.

This is just a pure marketing tactic and they are going to be proven wrong in a minute whenever someone watches it, we all will be able to provide proof of them being wrong.

Some executive or producer or even director who doesn't know much about bitcoin will find something that leads to nowhere but because they are ignorant about bitcoin they are going to consider this as real and not see why it is not real. This is what happens when you do something which you are so uneducated about, you have to only focus on what you know. Maybe they are aware how wrong they are, and they just want more people to watch it.

I am interested to watch it as it's from HBO, and probably quality, but this is nothing but a sales tactic. They are probably presenting most probable choice for Satoshi's identity, which has been done several times.

I mean think about it. How many more people will watch this when they are saying they have found new evidence (which i highly doubt). Compared to generic film about bitcoin without anything new. Of course they need scandalous marketing.

There has already been so much in-depth speculation, that's it's really hard for me to believe that some film maker from hbo (no matter how talented he is) can easily go deeper than that.

They want to link someone to the creation of Bitcoin so bad that they are willing to do anything it takes. They do not mind if they got the wrong person but they just want to review Satoshi identity so badly because they are thinking that if they get someone linked to the creation of Bitcoin and arrest that person, that they can kill the enthusiasm that people have for Bitcoin. The government might be behind this as this might be a desperate last attempt to kill Bitcoin. I do not care who they falsely accuse to be Satoshi, if he can not sign a signature message from the first Bitcoin address that Satoshi first used then he is not Satoshi. There is no other evidence that they are going to show to make me to believe them because everything can be manipulated right now with AI and other advanced technology.

There's a less popular candidate that possibly "could be Satoshi", and he died tragically because "he took his own life" during July, 2011 - Lens Sassaman.

A "theory" might be made by some users of the forum about that "suicide", then connect "that" with something that happened a mere month before the "suicide".

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I do not know who they will claim is Satoshi, but I do know that various media outlets have made claims over the years that they know the identity of Satoshi, and all of these claims have been hilariously and completely wrong. I have no expectation that this time will be any different.

Yes, I also believe that this statement will be like all the previous statements, they will link and string everything together, and finally they will come up with a statement with 1 name based on their research. But at the end of the day, they will have no concrete or clear evidence to be sure that the person is Satoshi.

It really annoys me that every now and then someone wants to dig up news about him when he has decided to stay silent for over 15 years. After all, even if we do find out Satoshi's true identity, what do we do next? We can do nothing but satisfy our curiosity, which is not beneficial to him or us.

They did all these things on purpose, not coincidental. They described their research, spent resources to make a film and it does not make sense if their conclusion is "We don't know who is Satoshi Nakamoto". I hope people can see this point, as a media company HBO must gain something from money they spent for making this documentary film.

It is freedom of speech. If you want to find who is Satoshi Nakamoto, nobody can prohibit you doing this. It is like you want to find a truth, if you are prohibited to do this, you lose one of basic human rights.

As a senior Bitcoin investor, I don't want identity of Satoshi Nakamoto to be found. Because if he is alive, he will be arrested like people behind mixers. He will be sent to jail, and Bitcoin will get big problem with massive panic sell.

To give some good insight towards Lens Sassaman I guess this is good article to read https://protos.com/who-is-len-sassaman-polymarkets-top-bet-for-satoshi/ and guess this is where HBO is heading since they might believe that he's the real Satoshi.

But don't know what are the other proof they have aside for being famous cypherpunk and other things they claim written in that article.

For me that is just another pure speculation.

But things got more interesting and we have 2 more days left to see the contents about Satoshi Nakamoto Revealed by HBO.

We will have another interesting video of this man, to strongly deny this theory and say "Please stop bothering me, give me peaceful time" like Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto did.

Bitcoin market can be wild after the movie is fully on air. Some will feel exciting, and some will feel fearful of market dump.

I expect some news like the founder of Bitcoin was identified, and Bitcoin will face with uncertain future with more challenge from governments. I am not making fud here and just speculate types of news will be released after the movie launch.

If HBO is indeed starting a narrative that he "could be Satoshi Nakamoto", THEN who actually was Lens Sassaman? If there's truly some probability that he might be Satoshi, then why did he kill himself? OR did he actually kill himself? That question truly deserves to be investigated, no?

There will be smart individuals in BitcoinTalk who might research dates, read posts of "some people", then connect the dots. 8)

Yeah I was gonna make a post about this before I saw this, This Documentary I think it’s HBO idea of making some bucks with their story of who Satoshi Nakamoto is.
Making a documentary of the mysterious and godly figure of Satoshi is enough to drive a huge market for them whether it be true or fiction.
Though I think keeping his identity a mystery is still the best thing but with the way they’re going by choosing Lens Sassaman who’s dead, it’s also good to avoid any shakeups or shakedowns to the crypto markets.

He cannot deny or cannot create a video towards this issue since Len Sassaman is dead year 2011.

They are just speculating base on the achievement or title gotten by this man but didn't brought up some facts that can point out that he is the real Satoshi.

Lets just see what will happen since HBO is successful to catch the attention of people.


Provably he's family know the reason why he do that.

But he really have great career look at his profile and achievement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Sassaman  he's really good and good candidate to be the real satoshi, but then again lets just see the documentary of HBO and what information they released about the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

The problem with these kind of shows is that it doesn't matter if you state the facts, everybody who watches the documentary is going to believe it's true because that's what they said. Wikipedia is going to write it, because it came from an 'authoritative source' (i.e. someone with a lot of traffic). Every news source is going to quote HBO whenever they write an article about Satoshi.

Now there are going to be a lot of flying monkeys coming here to ask about Len Sassaman like this deleted r/Bitcoin post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1fx45uv/i_knew_len_sassaman_as_a_teenager/).



How did a LLM manage to come up with an even dumber candidate (Elon) than CSW?

People can behave in very strange ways and this happens constantly - but in this particular case there is no reason to be excited or to panic - because if the documentary in its conclusion announces that they think that the man who has been dead since the middle of 2011 could be Satoshi, then it is not should have no effect on the price of BTC.

If Satoshi is dead, then we don't need to worry about those famous million BTC that he saved in his wallet on the computer where the data is encrypted (if the computer even exists anymore). I think that news like this can be interesting only to children who want to solve mysteries, for the rest of us mysteries exist for a reason, right Mr. Satoshi?

At the point we are at, even if Satoshi were to reveal his identity and sign messages with his addresses,
many people are likely to remain skeptical.
Satoshi has become a philosophy. Satoshi's actual identity is less important than the principles
and technology he left behind. The essence of Bitcoin and its continued success is due to the community of developers,
users, and enthusiasts who believe in his philosophy of decentralization and financial autonomy. Satoshi's identity
is no longer as relevant as what Bitcoin stands for and how it has evolved.
Even if Satoshi were to come back, with other ideals, to preach unpopular things, such as supporting BCH, it would not have to
affect today's Bitcoin, because "you can kill the messenger but not the message."

I agree with you, yes Satoshi has become a philosophy and a symbol, and it does not matter whether Satoshi is alive or dead, the important thing is that he remains anonymous. This legendary symbolism of Satoshi is one of the strengths of Bitcoin.

If the real Satoshi appears and proves with all the evidence that he is really him, many people will not believe him because they loved the legend, and the appearance of the real Satoshi will lose the beauty of the legend and Bitcoin will lose its attractiveness and luster.

Hmm, I'm late, looks like many things were happening in the absence on the forum, anyway, we'll catch up on them later but Stoshi's new version is out now let's have a look into that first. Honestly, this is one of the most over-rated and recurrent topic ever.

If his revelation can blow up the market ever I'm interested but if it doesn't who cares but I just Love him! Internet is down again here from 2 days and it sucks I want to see him live on Stream.

I guess they’ve gotten what they wanted within few hours, I will love to view the documentary besides I want to see the outcome of the story behind bitcoin but, I don’t believe about Satoshi real identity. This has been for long even if I don’t know much I still see few post trying to claim and reveal Satoshi real identity and they never succeeded  in doing that, what’s more surprising they get more streams and viewers whenever such topic is treated due to bitcoin popularity. Let’s imagine all this is real what’s the point showing up now? Just curious to know why satoshi will want to come openly meanwhile I still don’t believe.

You all realize if satoshi is ever revealed it will make it go to zero.
The guy will be tossed in jail.
Look what happened to assange for example of governments not wanting any opponent when it comes to their own laws.
Anyone who goes against the system have been put in their place and dealt with.

This documentary will not tell his identity or else he would already be in handcuffs for some outlandish reason.
Whatever governments holding power wants to make up so to keep their fancy world running.

Wise words! I think that the revelation that Satoshi Nakamoto is not the real founder at least the videos that are resurfacing that he is Satoshi Nakamoto may be a person with that name but the Satoshi Nakamoto that we know is an Icon and not a person for many of us that is a very fond and likely enthusiast with Bitcoin we see the name Satoshi Nakamoto as a figure of Liberation and Freedom,

I agree that the words of the man in the video Satoshi Nakamoto are not really worth it, even if the real Satoshi Nakamoto comes to the limelight I really think that Bitcoin will still reign Supreme in the Crypto world it has given us financial autonomy, and Stability with each passing years it becomes something more that the government wants to control.

I don't believe that Satoshi's identity will ever be known, but i disagree with you that if Satoshi is revealed BTC will go to zero, yeah there would be a lot of panic, people would think that since he mined so many coins in the early days, he is about to dump it, this panic will make BTC price to plunge severely, but never to zero. Just like every other fud, it will settle down after sometime and the price will gradually pump again.

If my baseless conspiracy theory is true, and Bitcoin was invented at the CIA as a honey pot, then it sure would hit Bitcoin where it hurts :).

The launch of the Satoshi Nakamoto Documentary Film is indeed attracting attention at the moment, there are 1.1 million Bitcoins in his hands. But it's better if we just wait for the film.

They will not only come here to ask about him, they will also ask about the nature of his death. "Why did he kill himself"?, "Did he actually kill himself/no foul play"?, "There was someone who posted something in BitcoinTalk that he will do something. It was one month before his suicide, shouldn't THAT be a matter of interest"?

Those sorts of questions that will create a narrative and rebuild interest on the question - "Who actually is Satoshi Nakamoto"? The newbies will like it.

Damn, never thought about that one  ::) Bring the popcorn, legiteum is onto something! ;D
But I still don't think we will have something worth noting at the end of this story, though.

I recall the masked man revealing magician tricks! At first when I saw it, I thought he was masked and hidding his identity because he was actually doing some damage to the industry of magicians and those could take reprisals against him. It was quite interesting.
In the case of this production about Bitcoin it is likely HBO will mention the role of Satoshi Nakamoto in the creation of Bitcoin and the possible reasons why he created a decentralized peer-to-peer payment network, but they will definitely avoid to especulate about his identity (if they want to be serious enough).
Also, it is possible they will mention this forum and the historical value it has for the creation of Bitcoin an other decentralized assets like Ether and Monero.
If we are lucky, we could see some newcomers in this forums after their documentary film gets aired, hopefully most of them are curious people and willing to learn, instead of shitposters.

It's highly likely that whoever was Satoshi is already dead (but not Len).

Since this will be showing tomorrow as I checked my HBP account and its not yet there this gives me interest in watching (its been couple of months that I am not using my HBO account ) and am wondering  if what can hbo brings here since the site is giving good documentaries over the years .
though we have seen tons of same crap from long time about the Satoshi Nakamoto's true Identity so hoping there will be some light this time .

Like a lot of good baseless conspiracy theories, there is a good bit of internal logical consistency with this theory. Besides Satoshi being some person who actually physically died (or was incarcerated), there's no other way to explain how some living person would sit on $60 billion without spending it. But the US government could do this, and keeping the secret would be worth it (because $60B is peanuts for the US gov).

And the way honey pots work, they would lose their leverage over it if they revealed what they did. And then imagine what they would have thought when they saw Bitcoin becoming huge and spawning a new industry: "oops" :). They would never ever want to reveal what they had done because it would be very embarrassing--and it would reveal "sources and methods" e.g. the very idea they would do something like this would now be out there.

Edit: I take back what I said about there being no evidence! There is a post about this in the famous "Bitcointalk.org" forum about this theory here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5511762.msg64609653#msg64609653

It must be true now! LOL

Polymarket is going nuts right now, with a huge inflow of money betting on Szabo


was there a leak from the documentary?

That side, I see people including Theymos saying Len Sassaman is a bad candidate, but what's the actual reason for dismissing him?
For Hal Finey, we have the supposed timing of that email that he couldn't have sent., for the ones being alive we still have the serious question why not touching 60 billion standing there, so what is discrediting Len's claim?

If they say it's Craig or Dorian Nakamoto, I'm never buying HBO subscription again. These companies are getting worse and worse, trying to capitalize on things people might watch. They don't care if it's low level shows for idiots, fake research and all that.

Sassaman is a convenient choice because he died shorty after Satoshi stopped posting, but I don't see any information about him being interested in cryptography. If you really wanted to, you could find a number of hackers and coders who died in 2011 or 12. 

Exactly what was my take on everything when I saw this topic, I think humans don't do well with settling with the fact that they don't actually have the answer to many questions and that's why they have set up some many stupid solution which are all just assumption to quench that thirst of their never ending curiosity and that's exactly what I feel they would do with this documentary too.

I think the cable television HBO is just trying to get attention from the public just like some others did in the past but however, before anyone or any platform can convince people about uncovering the creator of bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto, it will require a lot of proofs of which there can't even be enough proofs to make people believe, perhaps even if Satoshi Nakamoto decides to reveal himself or theirselves today it will still be very hard for a lot of people to believe so i still assume that the motive why bitcoin was created to be decentralized is the reason why he/they became anonymous till date. However, let's just forget about Satoshi revealing himself/theirselves in the future and focus more in the development of what he/they created (bitcoin), i think that's what we should be more interested in.

The most waited time is by tomorrow, the 8th of October; after tomorrow, it will be all over, and people who watch the documentary about Satoshi will tell us what it is all about, whether it's a simple storyline being acted to look true or a fabricated story formulated to gain attention.

However, whatever is analyzed and concluded by people who watch the documentary by tomorrow, I don't care to know,  and i believe that some many people here would the same "don't care to know". What we do know is that Satoshi's identity is unknown to everyone. Nobody can solve the puzzle of that unless when Satoshi comes out fully to sign a message on his Bitcoin wallet. Then we will all accept that's the real Satoshi. Nothing apart from that it's a mere imagination of whom they thought Satoshi to be.

Tomorrow we will see some people claiming to be Satoshi and will be interviewing some basic questions.
This is really scary because bitcoin will have a real owner and we will see the beginning of the downfall as happened to some CEOs who were destroyed because they created something so useful.
This is not the first time we have heard stories about Satoshi's identity being revealed but the results are just as fictitious as no one has been able to prove it accurately with evidence.

Even if that happens, I wonder what questions will be aired first and I am sure people will air how he hid his identity so it is difficult to find. LOL

Am sure we are all going to be left with more questions than answers...

So how will this whole reveal be done, some underground research then that they (HBO) managed to connect the dots and find out guy after  so many years...or is it the pseudonymous Satoshi that went to them to crack open the mystery of the decade  ::)

You know what, let's wait and see ...hope not another Craig  :P

I do agree with you, but at least the community got pumped a bit, even though I think most of us out there think it will be a waste of time, basically, with, as you said - more questions than answers, it's still an event so witness  ::)

Maybe @theymos has some personal reasons to think so - because most of us don't have any great knowledge about LS in the sense of what kind of person he was compared to the person who introduced himself on this forum as Satoshi. There is some evidence or rather clues that point to LS as a possible candidate, but his widow says that she does not believe that her late husband was Satoshi.

In addition, when (if) someone is already going in the direction of making a documentary on that topic, wouldn't it be logical that the widow of the man who will be presented as Satoshi should not be contacted about that story at all?

Ultimately, the creation of Bitcoin is what truly matters, and the technology has outgrown any single individual. Whether Satoshi's identity is confirmed or not, the decentralized nature of Bitcoin remains its greatest strength.

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I do think that that documentary won't change anything in the long run, though it's interesting how it will end.

OP, you are right to have disregarded this and not even bother to further with the watching of the movie, there are simple guidelines to know the true Satoshi. If someone had tried hard but failed and even proceeded to court and lost, how much more is the propaganda of a documentary via a movie? Well, if it is true, this will sell so much when it's finally released and I believe the Satoshi Nakamoto name is the target for this propaganda to sell and not mainly a claim to the name itself.

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The thing about some clues pointing out he is not Satoshi, well, if I would start now a secret project the first thing to hide my identity would be claiming I've only been once on a visit to Europe and insert a few evasive lines about studying somewhere where they teach Chinese or some other alphabet so the Stompix will never be on the list of suspects at all  ;D

The problem with proving someone is Satoshi is that if the guy denies it or he is dead you can't make sure he was even if
- you find the keys in one of his laptops (it was planted there by the CIA)
- his wife says so (she was paid by the real satoshi to say that)
- he left a will (it is fake)
and so on and on!

I think the only possibility in which Satoshi is truly revealed and accepted is the one in which it was a governmental agency doing it and they discretize the papers after 50 years.

A lot of persons has tried to reveal who Satoshi is and have failed. If you are expecting that it will be revealed today then your wasting your precious time. Its just another documentary that, making some research on unveiling Satoshi. Ill say its just another guess so don't be too hopeful to hear any good result.

Am glad you are not getting your hopes high. One thing I believe is that without anyone with the proof of a signed signature of Satosh's wallet, I wont believe any rumor I see online. Meanwhile this is just another way to gai clout online and that is why HBO is using this strategy to attract people.

I have waited patiently to see this day and I have just did. As I'm typing, it's 5 hours before they release that video and I can't wait to see the person they think who is behind Satoshi Nakomoto and if after that time there is no concrete evidence about Satoshi, then ladies and gentlemen, forget about Satoshi identity because this is not just waste of time, we are giving this people some publicity and views on their channels because they know how important Satoshi is to Bitcoin community.

Wait a minute, if sastoshi identity perhaps mistakenly leak and people are trying so hard to make it public, wouldn't he be the first person to let people know or am I over thinking it? Will Satoshi be that foolish to let his privacy down for some media work after giving us the best p2p electronically trabsfer digital asset that is censorship resistance, come on HBO, get another script or focus on the popular serious of game of throne you are known for. ;D

I am in Italy, where HBO isn't available yet.
I have to source some creativity to get hold of this documentary in a decent time.
I saw the trailer, and it didn't click on me.
I hope they are saving the best for the actual documentary.

I think those who think that "the government was Satoshi!!!" miss the point that in 2009 a lot of Bitcoin's component had been already invented, and mainly by independent researchers:

- blockchains were known since the 1990s as a concept (Chaum, Haber, Stornetta, Bayer ...)
- Proof of work was introduced in 1992 by Cynthia Dwork and Moni Naor, and Hashcash, Bitcoin's proof of work method, was invented by Adam Back in 1997
- Wei Dai's b money and Nick Szabo's bit gold also introduced some other core concepts, although we don't know if Satoshi knew their work before his original concept.
- P2P networks also were popular since the late 90s/early 2000s

This is not to dismiss Satoshi's genius. Often combining the correct parts isn't immediately obvious and can lead to a big achievement.

But those who think that Bitcoin was created by "the gov" or "the CIA" or whatever (mostly, U.S.) agency may think that it was so revolutionary that it needed some year-long secret research by multiple people, like when the nuclear bomb was invented, when what was necessary was mainly an "Eureka" moment to combine the correct parts of the puzzle.

I also do not believe in the honeypot theory. Honeypot to catch whom exactly? What would they achieve with this? Cash is still much more anonymous and fiat in general is much more popular for most criminal endeavours ...

Meanwhile, just hours before the series launch, Polymarket is getting increasingly funny, at moments not a single person was anymore above 10%. The Sassaman and Szabo theories seem to have collapsed. Popcorn ...

Nobody is saying that. In fact it's the exact opposite: the CIA or NSA could have easily, as a small side project by one full time employee, invented Bitcoin. They could have done this as an experiment, and then it got out of control.


Crypto has been used to invent an entire new class of crimes. Before crypto, terrorists did not shut down a hospital and then demand several hundred pounds of paper bills. That would simply not be practical. Crypto has made cyberextortion possible and practical, to say nothing of money laundering, tax evasion, and other crimes Bitcoin enabled (at least initially, until chain analysis became common).

this documentary was a waste of time, they do not reveal anything

Just saw in twitter many says that an HBO leak says is PETER TODD.... but it seems the director just used pieces of his interview and mounted in a way that seems like that... i dont' believe that.

As much as I appreciate them for the game of thrones franchise and a couple of other movies they’ve been able to come up with over the years, I think it’s high time they give a great deal of effort to the house of the dragon franchise they’ve been working on and let the uncovering of Satoshi Nakamoto’s identity be. What the heck!
The house of the dragon franchise is already looking like a laughed about movie and here they are witch-hunting.

I’ve seen all those links and don’t dare click any, it just doesn’t feel like a thing I would find to be interesting neither would it be believable coming from HBO.
I guess it’s high time I do one of these documentaries and have them flash on X.

It's a waste of time.
So, I apparently once spoke with Satoshi.
Brace yourself for some big blocker-induced "three letters agencies created bitcoin" FUD.

The reality is that Satoshi is dead without signing a message from the Genesis block.

Previous days, rumor is about another person, now it's Peter Todd.

47 Meetup - Peter Todd and Guido Baroncini Turricchia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqw8ARM3mRU)
Peter Todd is the real Craig Wright (https://x.com/peterktodd/status/935598989906403328)

There is another funny news, and this is another success for HBO with their documentary film.

Wherever Satoshi may be, I like to think they're having a laugh at this latest round of foolishness. (https://x.com/lopp/status/1843787316311302435) Jameson Lopp posted.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZaUWhEW4AAHGwh?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZaUWhDXMAAOajO?format=jpg&name=small (https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1843824216476676302)

Former Bitcoin Dev Peter Todd Denies He's Satoshi Hours Before HBO Documentary Airs (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/10/08/former-bitcoin-dev-peter-todd-denies-hes-satoshi-hours-before-hbo-documentary-airs/)

HBO will have to make another documentary film about Satoshi Nakamoto in a next market cycle.

Peter Todd denies HBO’s recent claim that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/09/iDPZC.jpeg
https://x.com/peterktodd/status/1843789750983110697?s=46&t=EYlgQnpcCaCtcz2k1MwkNg

So, HBO’s entire claim is based on a post from Bitcointalk?

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/09/iDzdH.jpeg

It seems like HBO has run out of ideas for presenting quality series.  This documentary leads into an investigation with the aim of showing evidence of Satoshi's identity, then do they think this will work? I think the effort is just a waste of time and will eventually damage their own reputation. After years of Satoshi successfully hiding his true identity, how could HBO reveal his identity so easily, This is simply unreasonable.

As is known, Satoshi has so many wallets containing Bitcoins in different amounts, the only wallet known to belong to Satoshi is the Genesis address, the first blockchain address with 50 Bitcoins that cannot be spent at any time. I think anyone claiming to be Satoshi should show a private key that allows access to one of those wallets and move a small portion of the Bitcoins in it to prove its authenticity.

Hi. I posted about RBF too. See? I'm Satoshi!

See how absurd the evidence is?

https://i.ibb.co/p11H2C6/GZa-MCyg-Ww-AA4b-Ii.jpg

Eloshi Muskamoto ;D

Maybe this will be the next evidence to make a new film in the future, keep it tight ;D

Where are those posts, and/or the topics of those posts? I can't watch the documentary - I don't have an HBO subscription. https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkca3aae7.jpeg

But we probably, as BitcoinTalk regulars, should read those posts and talk about what we believe/our opinions.

Furthermore, I like Peter Todd, but HBO probably has put that man's life in danger. Plus he might stop talking about Bitcoin now that he knows many people might have this belief that he could be "Satoshi".

I too don't have a sub, however, I saw him laugh a lot from the reporter from HBO with their ideas and questions, and also that they just don't get the point of BTC if they still search for Satoshi ;D

https://i.ibb.co/6J9wJps/GZZyz-Px-Xw-AACRih.png


They believes second post here was mistakenly posted by Satoshi using Todd's profile.
This is clearly ridiculous!  ;D

Indeed, why reveal the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto? This will be the moment when crypto becomes a centralized project. Do we want this? No, and again no. What is the goal of HBO? What do they want to show with this? Is it really to attract even more attention to themselves? If so, then they succeeded. It's time to stop here. Yes, most likely, this is just a loud name and nothing more. PR people know how to cause mass hysteria))

This is crazy really. I think Peter Todd might even be able to sue them as this will probably put his life at risk.

And people in the Internet are commenting about this, as if it is true.

I mean, that's not really surprising as there was a lot of people who thought that this man was The Satoshi Nakamoto:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/09/iOUog.jpeg

People will just believe whatever, it's crazy. Now, more than ever, don't trust, verify.

Lmao liberalism at its finest, "everything you say is a conspiracy", *cobbles together unhinged theories without even the slightest smidge of evidence and asserts it as fact* .

It’s interesting to observe the small, often overlooked details in Satoshi Nakamoto’s writing style. One notable feature is that after every period, Satoshi consistently leaves two spaces before starting the next sentence. This double space after periods is not just a stylistic choice—it reflects the typographical norms of earlier times when typewriters were more common, as they tended to create uneven spacing between characters.

In the context of modern digital communication, most people now use a single space after periods.  However, Satoshi's use of two spaces might stand out today as something unique and deliberate.   (like this)

Peter Todd use a single space after periods ;D

 🤔

Although, Peter Todd posted like he was continuing his own point.

This is the link to Satoshi's post. It's a one page thread which is already locked.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2181.msg28729#msg28729

The only reason I believe that those posts were not written by the same person are the dates - the time between Satoshi's post and Peter Todd's post. It's one day apart. If it was a continuation of Satoshi's thoughts posted mistakenly using another account, then it would have been mere minutes apart, no?

This is just sloppy journalism. Sensationalism. Crafting narratives that lack any real evidence. It’s an attempt to draw connections where none exist, cobbling together theories from irrelevant details and presenting them as facts.

As expected, HBO nominated someone with very weak proof. It reminds me of Newsweek which did similar thing with Dorian Nakamoto. So at this point, i wonder whether Peter Todd will follow Dorian's steps[1] to sue HBO due to sharing false information which affect his daily life.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/dorian-nakamoto-fingered-as-bitcoin-creator-wants-to-sue-newsweek/ (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/dorian-nakamoto-fingered-as-bitcoin-creator-wants-to-sue-newsweek/)

It's a hype train and HBO is riding it ;D Journalism nowadays usually tends to go down that path, unfortunately. Polymarket blew up from such a turn, I imagine.

The documentary falsely claims that Todd's reply regarding inputs and outputs matching is super technical—it's not. However, it is quite interesting that it's literally the second post by Todd on the forum, and it's phrased in an interesting manner.


Hmmm.

@ABCbits, obviously, today anyone can record a documentary and construct a story, no matter how absurd it may be, for an average viewer who will not question what he saw and heard, a story constructed in this way can still have a certain weight. I don't know how much sense a lawsuit makes at this moment, but if a man's life turns into a nightmare, he might resort to a lawsuit.

I haven't seen the documentary, but it seems that everything boils down to the old saying "The hills shake, a mouse is born".

That just shows what can be achieved by some twirly jesting of real facts. It's like with theories about UFOs - they are cool, funny, ridiculous - but nobody takes them seriously.

todd isnt satoshi nor is he carrying on with his own conversation.. but.. it was 1hour 27 minutes apart, not one day
11:59pm    1:28am

i read it as he was answering satoshi.. of course

..
the way i view the documentary is that its a sales pitch for blockstream(a.back&s.mow) and pointing that a.back is 2nd inline as satoshi candidate(facepalm)
so when the todd claim is debunked, it leaves people thinking it must then be a.back.. and boom a.back gets new investors in his company.. its like csw but in a different style

Its like they are just getting those details online without verifying if its true or not then present something like suspense content to create curiosity and lure viewers to watch their documentary.
 
But they prove anything with those claims? I think not since its like they are just placing pure assumptions in that video and still Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity has not been revealed.

More Satoshi Identity discussion to come since this case has not been close yet. Todd denies what HBO says about it so more controversy or curiosity would build up thru those thing they made. Maybe those people should respect the decision of bitcoin creator to remain unknown or anonymous because I think its more better to remain like that to avoid any possible issues.

Named as Peter Todd... but Todd denies he's Nakamoto.

Even Martin Shkreli believes it is Todd. ::)
https://x.com/MartinShkreli/status/1843848001007300629

This is from defenders of Sam Bankman Fried actions who believed Roger Ver is Bitcoin Jesus yet got arrested in Spain for tax evasion in the States.

"Following Tuesday night's release, former Bitcoin Core developer Gregory Maxwell pointed out an overlooked detail undermining filmmaker Cullen Hoback's case that Bitcoin's pseudonymous creator is another early Bitcoin developer, Peter Todd."
source: https://www.theblock.co/post/320241/hbo-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin-peter-todd

Along with the narrative of Satoshi 'mistake of posting from PeterTodd's account' (https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1843910041113636996) theory.
There was this cryptic message from Todd's chat log once decyphered having their writing styles to be similar could be evidence enough to deem them the same person? I will have to disagree.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/09/iWW9b.jpeg
https://x.com/Cointelegraph/status/1843910047103103388

With all due respect to Martin Shkreli, he doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about. He's had zero historical involvement with cryptocurrency.

And those are the type who believe Peter Todd is Satoshi after watching this:
Those who didn't even know the bitcointalk forums existed and where Satoshi first posted his ideas too.

Which I didn't begin watching until the book three section of this glamorized HBO special on bitcoin.

He doesn't even think so
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/09/iew3c.jpeg
https://x.com/boldleonidas/status/1843891616039493944

As I watched a little part of the film, I got that impression too, and he laughed about it pretty much all the way going forward ;D

I started to watch the documentary last night when I turned on HBO and saw this sitting in y que ( I put it in there the second it became available to do so).  I will watch just about anything bitcoin related, especially if it something like this on a major network, but I have a good feeling that I'm just going to be let down and that it's probably just all a bunch of nonsense. We shall see I supposed.

So on one side the argument there is a Bitcointalk.org post where Todd appeared to have made a sock puppet mistake with the Satoshi account. This isn't conclusive evidence, but it's a tiny bit more than absolute zero.

On the other side of the argument is the fact that is somebody has $65 billion in Bitcoin, we would know how they were because you can't hide that sort of thing.

And there is no significant reason this guy would want to hide this. None.

If Satoshi were not dead (or, alternately, if Satoshi was not a front for the CIA/NSA/etc.), then they obviously they would have revealed themselves 10+ years ago.

I'm all for looking at the evidence and weighing the facts, but the facts here are absurdly in favor of it not being Todd, and it's absolute fraud that HBO is asserting this (and I look forward to seeing Todd win $millions in his libel suit against HBO).

Determining the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto with absolute certainty is impossible.  While various theories exist, we cannot definitively assert who he is—or whether he represents a group of individuals. 

In my view, the documentary presents compelling arguments within its context and portrays Peter Todd in a noteworthy manner.  However, I believe it is unlikely that he is Satoshi.  The arguments supporting this claim are strong within the proposed framework.  Yet, when we analyse the narrative in a strictly linear fashion, Todd may indeed appear to be the genuine Satoshi Nakamoto.  However, we must recognise that such an approach overlooks the broader context.  Ignoring external factors is not a viable way to assess the situation. 

I, for example, could be Satoshi, since I decided to write this in British English using double spaces.  If one considers only this fact, it may indeed raise suspicions about my identity. 

But it is indeed suspicious that Peter was reacting so oddly when confronted in that manner.  Why would he lie about his ability to code in C++?  I also think that the argument the narrator uses is somewhat valid; how and why would Peter remember that post so clearly in his mind? 

One thing I dislike is that the documentary mentions Peter's emails to Adam back in 2001, but it does not explore this aspect at any given moment.  Perhaps it didn't contain anything interesting. 

I don't think that's the best line of thought. Of course, it might be the most likely one. If Satoshi was not a three-letter agency, he doesn't necessarily need to be dead.  

The maximum supply of 21 million might be related to the blocks, but what if he actually wanted it to be 20 million? Would that be too foolish?  Instead of building an entirely different use case, one could simply stick with the original idea and implement a supply control of 1 million, effectively "burning" the excess.  

If that's not the case, a suicide is highly probable in the event of losing the keys, for instance.  

Yes, I agree. But we're just throwing out theories here with as much information as HBO had :).

Peter Todd is not Satoshi Nakamoto because if he was, he'd have invented Bitcoin just to troll us all by pretending he didn’t. Plus, if Peter were Satoshi, he’d probably have added an edit button to the Bitcoin blockchain by now, just for fun. Everyone knows that the real Satoshi has been hiding on a deserted island, working on Bitcoin 2.0: now with cats. If Peter were Satoshi, the Bitcoin whitepaper would have at least one footnote about coffee preferences. Also, Peter can’t be Satoshi because he didn’t invent a secret handshake for Bitcoin developers. I mean, if you had $65 billion, you wouldn’t be hanging out on Twitter so much, right?

Honestly, if Peter was Satoshi, Bitcoin would have a built-in “verify your identity” option by now, just to mess with us. The only thing more secretive than Satoshi’s identity is the location of my car keys, and Peter doesn’t know that either. Peter doesn’t even like being called Satoshi—now, that’s the most un-Satoshi thing ever. If I were Peter, I’d claim to be Satoshi just for the free lunches.

If Satoshi was actually Peter, I’m pretty sure he would have added memes to the Bitcoin protocol. And let’s be real—if Peter Todd were Satoshi, we'd all be paying for our groceries in Bitcoins and dad jokes by now. So no, Peter Todd isn’t Satoshi, unless we’re also willing to believe my cat invented Ethereum.  ;D

I personally would be ok if the person HBO "identified" had been Satoshi. And the "mistake" to reveal the RBF mechanism at Bitcointalk under the Satoshi nick, commenting it under the real name, and then 4 years later introducing it under the real name is at least a plausible assumption.

However, evidence is quite weak in my opinion. If Satoshi and Todd are different persons, then the behaviour would be perfectly explainable: Todd was aware of the RBF idea already in 2010 due to discussions with Satoshi, and it became an important feature once fees began to rise, so every participant in the threads about "early RBF ideas" which still were around in 2014 in the Bitcoin community would be a good candidate to later publish/implement the final RBF concept.

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Of course this is possible, it's just not really convincing for me. My point is that the components of Bitcoin were already discussed in academic circles, and "electronic internet cash" was a hot idea in the 90s and 2000s, so there is no need for a government in the puzzle.

Cyberextortion was already popular before Bitcoin, with methods like prepaid cards. And that Bitcoin "enabled" money laundering is also complete bullshit. Money laundering was done with cash, techniques involving various bank accounts, precious goods/metals, art etc. etc. for centuries. And cryptocurrencies are only useful for a part of the "task" of money laundering, because you can obfuscate payment paths but you won't get "clean money" out of the system easily.

In addition I don't know what's your point about a possible goal of the involved government: it could have created Bitcoin to "enable" a new crime class, i.e. to lure existing criminal groups into a new business, with the intention to later control it via chain analysis? Not a convincing hypothesis for me as I see only advantage for prosecution if this would lead to more convicted criminals, but for me it looks like a zero-sum game.

Source: https://x.com/Narodism/status/1844017533336142025

I have nothing to add to this... And even this much that has been written is too much.  ;)

I think that actually supports the theory better: some random employee of the NSA isn't going to be an original thinker in the software space, but rather just a hacker with a random idea based on existing ideas floating around.


You can't get $millions using prepaid credit cards. Get real. :)

And nobody said that Bitcoin invented money laundering (and all of the rest), but it certainly provided a streamlined mechanism--which the CIA/NSA could believe would be a good honeypot for such activity.


In order for this theory to work, you'd have to believe that the CIA/NSA would only want to have used it for very special cases, not all crimes generally, as that would diminish its usefulness as a honeypot. In other words, they wouldn't just go after every tax evader hiding a few million away from the IRS because that would pretty instantly blow its cover.

And far from being some kind master plan, I could totally see this being some kind of brain fart by a single CIA/NSA employ screwing around that got out of control.

I really feel bad for Peter. Hopefully people forget about this soon, and he doesn't get a bunch of stalkers obsessing about him for years. What a ridiculous, reckless "journalist".

This sort of thing is why I hardly ever deal with journalists: most of the time, they're far more interested in telling an interesting story than they are in telling an accurate story.

I guess the damage of this story will hardly vanish over the years.
No matter how inaccurate the story is, HBO exposed Peter (I call him like this as I met him personally a few years ago, even if he doesn't remember me, hopefully) to enormous personal risks.
You are correct regarding the journalists, and it is a good thing they didn't contact you for this documentary.
No matter what you could have told them, they would have fabricated the most intriguing story to serve their scope.

Peter should take some legal actions against HBO because the damage is done, and there is no way back.

I was expecting more from HBO and their journalists, but what they did is to affect directly a bitcoin developer, and that is a terrible move.

Im really disapointed, what can I say...

I second this. Whether or not he wins is beside the point: the publicity from the lawsuit is the only thing that will clear Peter's name. HBO needs to be taken to task over this.

Except that Cullen Hoback is not a journalist or true investigator and more a filmmaker, that's why his former "documentary" was more about making a mystery movie than actually hunting for the guys behind Q, he loved the intrigues and the conspiracies just as much as his targets.

But in the end, funny enough, despite everyone calling this a failure, a disappointment, that HBO should look into making different things, as a movie it was a success, everyone talked about it, everyone was curious about the outcome, people will dissect it for years while $44,341,926  was the volume on polymarket, on a bet that didn't even feature Todd!

https://i.ibb.co/342KRyc/pic.png

Fun fact.. Satoshi is in this picture but it’s not Peter Todd.   ;D

One very simple thing to avoid that, would be to explain why he posted that message in such a way. He was trying to make a joke by simulating a failed impersonation? There had been a bug within the forum? Another post has been deleted and is missing? I wonder why Satoshi didn't reply to his post tbh? Why he didn't make a comment about the oddness of his wording? Why he didn't even approve his addition or thank him? Personally, I find that a bit thought-provoking. Some people claim that Satoshi wasn't a single person but a crew actually, they are maybe right after all.

Might as well ask ChatGPT who they thought was Satoshi.

Wait, maybe the film's maker Cullen Hoback did this for their storyline.

Kidding aside,
This shows what well-known bitcoiners and those who have influence in the bitcoin space (good or bad) had to say about this so-called reveal of Satoshi:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/09/iqs4q.jpeg
https://www.coindesk.com/opinion/2024/10/09/how-crypto-reacted-to-hbos-big-satoshi-reveal

At least for large amounts it's not really a streamlined process. You still need to trust somebody to exchange the stolen funds for fiat, or cash out step by step, like you would do with stolen bank accounts. I believe crypto is much more useful for small fishes in the criminal world actually. Those who don't have the money to set up shell companies or open shady businesses for example.

Only advantage in such cases is that you (as the criminal) have more time, if you're operating with banks then you'll have to be fast, while so you can move the coins around a bit. But time also runs against you, as it gives time to the prosecutors to analyze the blockchain and reach out to exchanges to freeze funds. You'll have thus to do complex mixing/privacy coin operations which are not much less complex than movements with cash. In the end, I believe there are some advantages but also disadvantages.

The theory that some government agency could have created both Bitcoin and sites like Silk Road to hunt these small fishes would be more convincing thus for me. But as you wrote this would be quite counterproductive as it would be working only for some time before the criminals know about the honeypot.

There are some special cases, for example a government agency of an openly criminal and corrupt state like North Korea could have indeed incentives to create such a currency, but not to catch criminals but because they do have the means to launder the money stolen via crypto convincingly and in a streamlined process. :o

Yes, as I wrote, that's not impossible. But I still believe it is not enough to convince me that a government agency would be a really important part in the "Satoshi puzzle". In my opinion the likelihood for government involvement is far less than 10%. It's much more likely for me that Satoshi came out of the same cypherpunk community as Todd, Back, Maxwell, Chaum and so on.

I've missed the hype about that pic, can you give me a link or more info?

Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1589018988046283&set=pb.100057798469586.-2207520000


From left to right, starting with Matt Green, who took the picture at Princeton’s Prospect House:

Matt Green (https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green)
Ittay Eyal (https://twitter.com/ittayeyal)
Zooko Wilcox-O’Hearn (https://twitter.com/zooko)
Andrew Miller (https://twitter.com/socrates1024)
Nick Szabo (https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4)
Peter Todd (https://twitter.com/peterktodd)
Greg Maxwell (https://nt4tn.net/)
Arvind Narayanan (https://twitter.com/random_walker)
Sarah Meikeljohn (https://smeiklej.com/)
Emin Gün Sirer (https://twitter.com/el33th4xor)
Rainer Böhme (https://informationsecurity.uibk.ac.at/people/rainer-boehme/)
Joe Bonneau (https://twitter.com/josephbonneau)
Sergio Demian Lerner (https://twitter.com/SDLerner)
Gavin Andresen (https://twitter.com/gavinandresen)
Steven Goldfeder (https://twitter.com/sgoldfed)
Ed Felten (https://twitter.com/EdFelten)
Josh Kroll (https://twitter.com/realjoshkroll)
Nicolas Christin (https://twitter.com/nc2y)
Ian Miers (https://twitter.com/secparam)
Christina Garman (https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/clg/)
Jeremy Clark (https://twitter.com/pulpspy)

Dogecoin Founder Reveals Who He Believes Is Satoshi Nakamoto

The Bitcoin Mystery,” which aired on October 8, has ignited intense debate within the crypto community. The film suggests that Canadian Bitcoin developer Peter Todd is Satoshi Nakamoto. However, Todd himself has publicly denied this identification.

Among those refuting the claims is Billy Marcus, co-founder of Dogecoin and known online as Shibetoshi Nakamoto. Of X, Marcus said, "It's not Peter Todd's brother."

A user asked Marcus "Who's Peter?", Marcus replied, "Not Satoshi unless you're an idiot. He's one of the more OG core gods but not the creator." Another user pressed further, asking, "So who is Satoshi?" "Anyone who isn't alive," replied Marcus cryptically.

These hints fueled speculation in the community. Famous Dogecoin community member Doge Whisperer (@TDogewhisperer) also asked, "If you had to make an educated guess, who would it be?" Marcus replied casually, "Hal Finny and friends."

https://bitcoinist.com/dogecoin-founder-who-is-satoshi-nakamoto/

I read it like that too, but I could understand why an "investigative journalist" would create theories and hypotheticals around that post, especially that it was Peter Todd's second post in BitcoinTalk.

Plus didn't he get his first recognition in the forum for debating Gavin Andresen on why unlimited block sizes are stupid? That probably would make everyone wonder "What if".


https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkca3aae7.jpeg

Laughable. Adam Back was already one of the cryptographers that some people believe to be Satoshi. He didn't need the HBO show for that.

I'm not so sure why everyone is still looking for Satoshi, it's quite obvious he's gone and has been gone. Why? Because he is dead and has been now for more than 10 years. He is gone, he is dead. I know first hand who Satoshi is, it was not really a mystery. He's dead. It was Hal Finney, and he made sure before he died to leave this message located here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234330.msg2479328#msg2479328

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, he knew what he was doing and played a game with everyone, he was having fun, he knew his time was limited so why not.

Don't bother harassing Hal's family either, they have already cashed out the bitcoin's that Hal left them.

Satoshi was Hal, and the logins may have been shared with others, however Satoshi was Hal, and that is it.

Satoshi is not Craig Wright
Satoshi is not Peter Todd

Satoshi was Hal

There’s no hard evidence to support the claim that Hal Finney was Satoshi Nakamoto. While Hal was deeply involved in early Bitcoin development and even received the first Bitcoin transaction from Satoshi, this doesn’t necessarily make him the creator.There are legal and ethical complexities to consider in this scenario. If Satoshi left a will or instructions, that could be handled by a lawyer. A scenario where a lawyer is instructed to burn Bitcoin, leaving a portion to the family, is feasible but purely hypothetical. However, there's no indication that this has happened, and no credible evidence of any such plan exists. The narrative that he left a hidden message or orchestrated things before his death is speculative at best. Moreover, there is no record of Hal ever admitting to being Satoshi.

When I look at that all I see is this:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/10/829zC.jpeg
He didn't want to be know and was the master of not revealing anything inregards to giving up their identity.
So any of those in the picture even if they were, wouldn't be stupid enough to make a mistake such as writing from an alternate account or giving any clues in the code they wrote.
Todd was.
So he definitely couldn't be Satoshi.

Anyone have watched the documentary? Can anyone share a brief synopsis of the program. Not finding some on internet or any upload site of the documentary.

I check on HBO phil but I wasnt seeing it there or not in the new list of stuff to watch.

Im waiting for someone to upload on social media to chefk what those guys cooking for this satoshi reveal drama.

Peter Todd is in a very difficult situation. It is difficult to refute absolutely senseless and unsubstantiated accusations.

If Peter Todd starts making excuses now or organizes a big lawsuit, he may not convey the truth to most people. Ordinary people are not inclined to analyze the facts of the case, they will simply remember that Peter Todd is considered Satoshi Nakamoto by some people (respected and authoritative journalists). Therefore, people will assume that Peter Todd is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Peter Todd probably idolized the real Satoshi Nakamoto (the creator of the legendary Bitcoin) and tried to earn his approval. That is why Peter made this strange post on the forum. Satoshi Nakamoto might not have liked the excessive enthusiasm of young Peter Todd, since Satoshi was probably an introvert and valued his anonymity and privacy above all else. Satoshi did not want unnecessary attention to himself. That is why he did not respond to Peter Todd's post. 

Or maybe it was something else - maybe Satoshi was very busy at the time, or maybe he just thought the question had already been answered in detail and there was no point in discussing it further.

I downloaded the documentary (torrent) My understanding of the documentary is that Peter Todd invented (created) Satoshi Nakamoto just as he invented (created) John Dillon.

He plays a role in the documentary with about 20-25 minutes of screen time. He was probably paid by HBO for his appearance. I just watched the documentary.



Yes, it’s a very strange situation. I’m not sure if this was someone else's script or his own. Perhaps he didn’t realize how things would turn out in the end. Very odd...

As far as I understand, Peter Todd was set up. First, he was interviewed by a journalist. Then he re-edited, cut out unnecessary parts of the video footage and inserted parts of the video into a documentary.

At the same time, Peter Todd said on camera something like - "I am Satoshi!" This is the standard cry of all cypherpunks. "I am Satoshi! You are Satoshi! We are all Satoshi!"

Life was greatly complicated for Peter Todd, because now he could be hunted by international gangsters and intelligence agencies of different countries. Unfortunately, in our time, you can ruin a person's reputation with impunity by linking his real identity to a digital avatar of a completely different person.

Satoshi Nakamoto was obsessed with maintaining anonymity and privacy. How will Peter Todd now prove that he is not Satoshi Nakamoto?

He could use cryptographic signatures or timestamped documents to demonstrate that his work history doesn't align with Satoshi's activities. He could request a thorough investigation to clear his name and demand transparency from media outlets reporting these allegations. Legal measures could also be taken to address defamation if the claims negatively impact his reputation. However, by doing so, he might unintentionally attract more attention from intelligence agencies. The media, including Bloomberg, are now widely covering this issue, creating a very awkward and potentially dangerous situation for him. That's why no one who was involved with Bitcoin in its early days gives interviews easily.  :-[

This does not solve anything and just falsely accused someone who adamantly denies being that individual.

I would suggest watching Searching for Satoshi - either one.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/10/8UTgm.jpeg
Just finished watching the one made a year ago and it was more educational of who is not Satoshi.

I watched the documentary, so I will try to briefly describe what it is about and write some of my impressions.

First of all, the documentary is not exclusively about the search for Satoshi, but mostly deals with some basic things and examines only the role that BTC has played since its inception until today. There, of course, you can see people like Jamie Dimon or Warren Buffett with their famous statements, claims that BTC is only good for selling drugs online (Silk Road) up to the mention of the famous blockchain wars over the size of blocks with comments from who else but Roger Ver Bitcoin Judas who in the documentary plays the role of a saint who tried to save BTC from people like Adam Back or Peter Todd.

Furthermore, we also have Gavin Andersen's statements about how he is convinced that CW Faketoshi is the real Satoshi. There was also one of the Tether Boys (Samson Mow) who was accompanied by a failed Serbian prince who should make the world aware of the need to accept Bitcoin ::)

What is of most interest to everyone is that the author apparently had an agreement with Adam Back and Peter Todd who voluntarily participate in this documentary and I think that any lawsuits by Peter Todd are out of the question considering that he apparently approved the publication of this documentary.

I have to admit that the author has on several occasions quite upset Peter Todd with some questions, especially with the thesis about that famous post which the author claims is the result of Peter Todd mistakenly logging in with his own account and not with Satoshi's account and that actually completed the thought from the previous post - and that Peter Todd at one point deleted a lot of his online history, including one comment in which he claims that he allegedly deleted a lot of BTC, to which the author suggests that this is about Peter Todd actually deleting private keys that are associated with Satoshi mined coins.

For me personally, there is nothing in the whole story that was not already known before, because in the end all the so-called evidence are just assumptions. In my opinion, Adam Back is a much bigger candidate for Satoshi than Peter Todd, who was around 15 years old when Bitcoin was invented.


The documentary is not actually shown on HBO Max (as far as I know), but on HBO programs that are a separate part of their service.

Thanks for the suggestion, appreciated nevertheless.
Todd, as Lucius said, probably was in agreement, so he is rather just a target to be discussed, that's the main point of this hype all around this film after all ;D

I think that Hal Finney is a good candidate to be Satoshi but I remember that a few month ago some users were arguing how he couldn't be Satoshi. I can't find those posts but I also read on internet that on April 18, 2009 at 8 AM, while Finney was running, Satoshi was doing some activities.
By the way, what increases his chance of being Satoshi is that Satoshi's Bitcoin addresses have been untouched and at the same time, Satoshis identity hasn't been revealed. Is it possible to not touch billions of dollars and stay anonymous when the whole world is chasing you? It's impossible to my mind and that's why I think, there is a high chance that Hal Finney is Satoshi but at the same time that running event ruins this theory, so I'm very confused.

By the way, there is also a very high chance that it can be a CIA project and I'll explain why: The CIA recently stated that it is looking for people living in Russia, Iran, North Korea and China. The CIA wants to hire people as spies in these countries. Did you guys notice that? CIA has been hiring spies for decades but as the world advances, so are advancing tracking methods and so is it becoming hard to break regulations.
So, here is CIA that hires people and has to pay to them. The CIA has payment options like bank transfer, instant money transfer, etc but none of them are the best method to send and receive money anonymously, so the CIA had to do something and they invented Bitcoin, a pseudoanonymous currency. Now you might ask me, why didn't CIA invent something similar to Monero? Because the CIA needed a currency that would be good for adoption. No government is going to adopt Monero because it's extremely anonymous but Bitcoin is a little soft but still anonymous in right hands. Overall, Bitcoin with it's structure, was an ideal candidate. So, they created it, created a myth of Satoshi who then disappeared and CIA left a currency that the society thinks is a really decentralized because Satoshi is dead and it has no owner.

There is still so much left to write about it but I'm leave it as it is, long story short.

What was in their mind? You are one of the best candidate for any crypto related interview, especially for this one. They included a snapshot from Bitcointalk on their documentary and didn't contact you? That's very dumb :D

Somebody asked me to send the link of the film but that is not possible.
All I can do is send the trailer from it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiVLCs0qUI4

The other one which was from a broadcasting company is made available from their youtube channel which is named the exactly same as the docufilm I watched from an independent filmmaker:
trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdoT2ipYTvE

You got that a bit wrong. Peter was 15 years old when he wrote to Adam in 2001. Bitcoin was invented in 2009 when Peter was 23 years old. Looks like they both are Satoshi :)

Peter Todd is not Satoshi.
Adam Back is not Satoshi.
Hal Finney is not Satoshi.
Nick Szabo is not Satoshi.
Craig Wright is definitely not Satoshi.
Elon Musk is not Satoshi.
Vitalik Buterin is too young to be Satoshi.
From 2009 to 2011, Edward Snowden was in Tokyo studying Japanese. Snowden is not Satoshi.
(here you can put anyone you can think of on the list who has an alibi.)
They were, or are, part of it. Satoshi was a group project, probably involving a lot of caffeine.  ;D

Satoshi wanted Diaspora invites so created a new account (why would he create it with his real name?) and you want me to believe (with a coffee cup in your hand casually sipping coffee in rain ;D) that you had this so-called realization which connects every dot.
I do not believe for a nanosecond that the man who pulled off Bitcoin, below the nose of so many 3-letter agencies, used his real name on this forum and was careless enough to not pay attention to which account he logged in. Cool story, bro!
Regarding Peter mentioning Bitcoin sacrifice, it does not mean anything as this statement was made after the interview and IMHO he was just messing with your little brain because he knows you would be tracking all of his posts and he just gave you a rope ;D
And why Satoshi did not reply to his super technical post, there could be thousands of reasons but for your super retarded brain: he was just a newbie with one post history so Satoshi might have thought of not engaging with him.
HBO, you really disappoint me this time. It's better that you put all your energy and imagination into 'Game of Thrones' next season, but I have to admit even there you are lagging behind.

Ultimately, the true meaning of this story is that nobody should care about who Satoshi is or was.
He wanted to disappear, and we must respect his privacy, even stopping the speculation of people who made a choice.

We should focus on Bitcoin, not Satoshi, whose discovery was by far more important than his identity.
We should all focus on learning about Bitcoin instead of learning who Satoshi was.

Satoshi is Jesus Christ’s second coming.

Nobody has seen him but we all know he did exist. It is because we have proof. We have his forum posts which are actually the pages of the crypto bible and the bitcoin whitepaper is… the holiest of all texts.

Satoshi the prophet, delivered us bitcoin like Prometheus gave us fire.

Who gives a damn about his real identity anyway, What really matters is what he said.

Thanks for the correction, I didn't check online and apparently got it wrong while watching the documentary. All things considered, Peter Todd had quite enough time to "invent" Bitcoin, especially if he had an experienced mentor like Adam Back as an advisor.

Still, maybe it's better that Peter Todd isn't Satoshi, the more you dig into his past, the more unpleasant things you find.

It's just so funny how HBO came up with a name (Peter Todd) and fake Documentary to convince the world into believing he's Satoshi, what I think is that if Satoshi wanted to be known he won't or the group of people behind that name won't had made themselves anonymous, why i said group of people is because I think it's relating to the CIA based on how secretive the person behind the name seems to be and they being the CIA would've figured out who he is but then they care less. HBO is clueless and only came up with the documentary just to gain more subscribers, they're fully aware that everyone's really anxious of knowing the person behind the name (Satoshi) and creating a documentary, even though it's too good to be true would attract more people, they played a smart one but I don't believe that thrash documentary. Like you said, what I care more about is building my Portfolio and owning lots of Bitcoins.

Please, could you tell why do you think that? Thanks.

During the week, the idea of revealing the identify of Satoshi nakamoto was really a big topic around the social medias, specially on X(formally known as Twitter), Aside HBO' documentary on the subject, there were several other platforms that tried to speculate on who Satoshi nakamoto really is, some popular figures were mentioned and some even accused of being the Satoshi the whole world was looking for, those accused came out to debunk the idea and deassociate themselves from being the creator of bitcoin.

Let's just say that sometimes, people get bored, and to alleviate the boredom, they take up a new task, one they are sure that will capture the attention of a lot of people in the industry, and so far, it's working for HBO, I personally see all of this as nothing but a way for them to get more popular and gain more followers as well.

Its hot topic since imagine finally Satoshi identity will be revealed and its like HBO have huge confidence to show it since its like they are really sure towards their investigation made. It didn't end up well as they really didn't unveil the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto since people are not convince with their findings and the person they point out to be the real creator strongly denies their claims.

I guess the search for the Identity of Satoshi doesn't end yet, But maybe people like them should respect if the person behind Satoshi Nakamoto want to remain unknown.

On HN I left a reply that I thought might be worth repeating here,

> Do you support unmasking Satoshi if it is possible?

No.

The only argument I've heard to justify this which is at all credible is that the ownership of a particular pool very early coins may be a matter of significant public concern. I'm dubious of this argument given that it's a couple percent of the total and people seem to not care at all about other similar consolidations in Bitcoin. And it's normal for very wealthy people to be largely unknown e.g. in the US we have absolutely no idea who most billionaires are, a lot of the supposed lists are just speculation and nonsense. (a fun related story (https://sherwood.news/power/who-died-and-left-the-us-7-billion-fayez-sarofim/) )

But for the purpose of this discussion I'll accept that ownership of those coins matters. (I don't think we'd make any progress on debating that)

But if the motivation is those coins, we're not even sure they belong to Satoshi. And to the extent there is a concern it's a concern that their use could be disruptive to the economy, their identity alone is unlikely to help -- like why would Adam Back vs Petertodd matter for that question?

So what I think is that if we think carefully about what all this means and we're honest about it-- this demand for their identity is so that the public can use coercion to make them destroy their coins. The author of the documentary said the quiet part out loud in a surprisingly extortionary sounding tweet: "Satoshi, if you have access, you could burn the stash. Bring an end to this. Protect yourself, protect the network. (https://x.com/CullenHoback/status/1844144664825430242)"
I think that kind of coercion would be immoral. But worse than immoral it would be unnecessary:

If the users of Bitcoin feel so threatened by these unmoved early coins that they're willing to ungratefully violate privacy of Bitcoin's creator, a person who might not even own those coins, in an act which might harm the creator seriously but not even address the concern ... they could instead just adopt a fork that makes those early unmoved coins forever inaccessible. -- and perhaps let whomever owns them come out to argue against it.

(Heck, people have already created such forks though that wasn't their motivation-- some forks have diverted all not-recently moved coins to the forks creators, as a kind of premine).

The fact that they haven't indicates that they don't feel that way. To summarize, I think trying to pursue Satoshi's identity is:

An ungrateful attack on someone who gifted the world with something new and interesting and whom wronged no one, motivated by fear of some trove of coins that may not even belong to the target, a fear which would not be addressed by merely knowing their identity (even assuming the coins were theirs), and if it does address it-- it would probably be through coercively depriving them of their coins by subjecting Satoshi to threat and attack... when all along the people supposedly being protected could, if they cared about it enough, simply neutralize "the threat" themselves by adopting a version that didn't have it, or by just not using Bitcoin at all. Clearly they don't feel that strongly.

But attacking someone elses privacy and safety is something many people don't consider much of a cost, I guess.

I just don't buy it.

If it sounds like I've made up my mind on the issue, remember that I've had some 14 years to think about this question.

And because I answered elsewhere on HN:  The petertodd claim is unjustified, grasping at unsurprising coincidences.  I'm personally pretty confident that Peter isn't Satoshi, as much as it's possible to be without knowing who Satoshi is. I've never heard *any* credible claim or rumor that *anyone* knows.  And because Satoshi was clearly trying to conceal their identity and clearly pretty good at it I think it's likely we'll never know.  The issue is that any bit of information you find might be real, it might just be a coincidence, or it could be a false signal Satoshi left to mask their identity.  Because of this we know practically nothing about Satoshi other than that they were able to do the things we know they did at roughly (not even exactly) the times they were done.   Because of this there are probably hundreds of thousands of people who could be Satoshi or more, most of whom we've never heard of, and so confirmation bias and coincidences will utterly dominate any attempt at reasoning it out.

Especially with crypto-related kidnappings and torture on the rise, speculating about Satoshi's identity could get the targets killed.  Even if you reject my above argument against identifying Satoshi, any kind of argument for there being a public interest in the subject only applies when when actually know who Satoshi is.  It doesn't apply for people who kinda sorta may be because there is some weak sauce evidence that only seems like something at all given the almost total lack of actual evidence.  And having your privacy invaded *sucks* even when it doesn't immediately cause you or your family to get kidnapped and extorted.

It is like a dox against Satoshi Nakamoto too.

Should speculation about satoshi's identity be subject to doxxing rules? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488566.0)

People outside bitcointalk forum can try to find Satoshi Nakamoto's identity and publish their findings but in the forum, by rules I think we need to obey rules and avoid this action, personal doxxing.

Doing the same thing by doxing a person and then harassing or threatening them is equivalent or even worse.    My point isn't to advocate for that but to highlight that if you're not okay with undermining Bitcoin's properties by confiscating their coins you really ought not be comfortable with the hunt for their identity to threaten their life to confiscate their coins.

even suggesting that doing forks due to one entity is silly. as it opens a never ending precedence that not all UTXO's can be trusted to be viable, EG coinbase deposits being destroyed because some dev group decides coinbase/blackrocks custodian has too many..

also with many years of being in the bitcoin community and your opinion is that finding satoshi is about coin stealing.. yet this forum alone has hundreds of posts wanting to know who satoshi is.. to interview him about his opinions, reasons and attitudes towards bitcoins development, not to coerce him into moving the coin

yes there is a viable threat to anyone with a hoard, that someone will try to blackmail them. but to think that its the main reason is just silly.
most people with criminal motives dont want/need names/home addresses, they would want IP addresses of the node

you yourself are a publicly known figure and have received more bitcoin than radio-ham QSL cards, yet we dont see you being blackmailed by the community at your front door with a $5 hammer. most just want to ask you technical questions, even scammer CSW is not trying a $5 hammer attack on your personal residence, so your own experience shows you dont have terrorists at your door hounding you night and day trying to steal your PC or threaten your family

also you should know by now about bitcoin economics. if the coins did move and cause market price impact, that impact is short lived once the coins have moved as the underlying economics then return, in short, it becomes a short discount period.. to suggest a fork that opens up a never ending impact vs a short lived discount period.. id go with the suggestion to just let satoshi move his coins, other people get discount and then the price recovers.. no need for a fork to destroy coin, and it should not even be a suggestion

Yes, if it was a crew or a group project as you say, it would explain why Craig Wright is so confident and arrogant when he claims to be Satoshi Nakomoto, he knows it was a team, and he belonged to it one day, or he considers having fully been part of it at least, and thus being one of the several Satoshi Nakamoto existing. IMO Hal Finney was the main author of the white paper but he wasn't able to code, to test and to market it alone, so he asked some people to help him for free, against IOU or just cash money.

The early Satoshi coins are very likely less of a threat than many think.

About 250,000 to one million Bitcoins are traded on exchanges (those tracked at Coingecko and friends) each day. Of course that includes a lot of wash trade and short term speculation, and it includes Bitcoin <-> altcoin exchanges.

But the experience with the BKA coins (called "German Government coins" by some) and the MtGox coins in July/August this year lets me conclude that even if Satoshi sold everything at once (in a few weeks, for example), which is extremely unlikely, the dip could be short and deep but recovery probably would be fast. Neither BKA nor MtGox coins had probably really a lasting influence on Bitcoin's price, the deep 15% dip in August was instead caused by panic after the Nikkei crash. "Many Bitcoiners panicking" is thus much more dangerous (for bulls) than one entity selling.

So I would absolutely be not worried by the Patoshi coins (those suspected to be from Satoshi) moving. It would be even better in the mid to long term if at least some of them move eventually. Bitcoin should circulate and be distributed. And as we know that some people will panic if Satoshi moves their coins, the earlier this happens, the better - so a potential "Damocles sword" is removed from Bitcoin.

Of course we don't know if the coins will be moved or if they are lost. So the best thing for Bitcoiners is just to relax if some of these coins move eventually. And cease to be obsessed with them (and thus with Satoshi's identity). They are not different from other early miners' coins.

Satoshi is obviously a made up figure, made up by the first Bitcoin developers. Knowing this the big blockers made up their own Satoshi (Craig Wright) in order to win the Block Size War :)

I don't think there's much evidence to prove it was a group of people. If anything, I think it was just a single person.

Satoshi himself posted about how he was working on it for about a year or so, without mentioning others. Also here's another quote that points towards him just being one person:


Basically he wanted to include the rest of the people, but it seems pretty clear that the project started with only Satoshi as one person.

This is one of the possibilities, because with everything we know, Bitcoin was not created in one year or a shorter period, but apparently it was created over several years, using as a base all those earlier projects that tried something similar. Those projects failed because they had their flaws, but they or whoever designed BTC obviously got the best out of each of those projects and that's where the idea for BTC was born.

These people are without any doubt above average intelligence and they knew that they had to come up with a plan to get such a project online and at the same time remain anonymous. Therefore, I think that if one of them does not one day admit and prove without a doubt who the people behind that project are, the real truth will never be known - which is probably the best.

He will forever remain anonymous. If he were alive and maybe had the chance to watch the HBO documentary that was released, he would smile and even laugh at all of this.

Yeah. Even - if - (and that's a big if) he would be revealed to the public, that wouldn't change much.
But the buzz around the event was there, and HBO may try to do it again in the far future.

I am not their subscriber, and I watched the documentary like most people who will always find an alternative way. So I don't think they profited from that documentary nearly as much as some people think.

I think the ONLY way for anything about Satoshi to make any semblance of sense is to go ahead and assume that cat has (at the very least) the capability of stretching their consciousness across time, if not their physicality too but that is much more difficult, and I would expect a person as brilliant as them to exercise the utmost laziocity (the degree of laziness used while planning to ensure maximal efficiency and righteousness) when putting together a project such as replacing the entire world's financial system and getting every banker fired simultaneously (sort of, nevermind, less simultaneously and more two birds one stonesy)

The person that this description best fits would be that of The Sovereign Lord and Creator, God.   Best bet to make if you're trying to put a wager on who's Satosh

The more we try to know who Satoshi is, the more we mistake him for someone else. I think it will be better if people give up trying to know Satoshi is because they can never know him so far as he didn't open up on his privacy.

 Satoshi has done very well for giving us bitcoin which is good for us to focus more on it and benefit from it. Since bitcoin have been existing different people do come up with different identity claiming to be Satoshi. Trying to get the identity of Satoshi is just as the more you look the less you see, let's just put that energy in investing bitcoin, with this one can earn value.

If his still alive. Maybe his watching from Heaven already we dont know.

I think the idea of Satoshi would always have their curiosity out of him. Even me, but what can we do? We all wanted to know his true identity for variety of reason. I didnt watch yet the documentary since Im busy but will likely check it out for my entertainment and maybe scan their proofs.

I guess Satoshi is still alive and does not want to show himself to create a huge scene on because imagine you are still anonymous and one day you show up for sure it will take a week and months to issue about the question to him so I guess he okay what he has right now. HBO seems to accumulate a large amount of money on that movie and also create a hype for people which is really on time after the halving they release the movie and now people getting more curious about the bitcoin and recently the bitcoin came with the golden movement of the moving average which is now the price sitting with the 68k. I just wonder until when the price will goes up.

There are more reasons than that. For example: Satoshi really thought about a model, where all old inputs and outputs are kept, as they were, and where new inputs and outputs can be added, to increase the fee.

For example: you can have this transaction:
And then, Peter Todd thought about this case:
But note, that in this case, you can lose some anonymity, by revealing, which output has less coins than before, and which coin is a potential change (or: you would then force a recipient to pay for increased fees, which is a bad idea).

Instead, what Satoshi thought about, was something like this:
Note that in the latest version, you can actually do that, if you use anchors, for example: https://mempool.space/testnet4/address/tb1pfees9rn5nz

Everyone here(the knowledgable members of the forum at least) knows about Bitcoin and the blockchain as much as the next guy. We only know what we've seen and what we have witnessed. Though, of course, there may have been certain things that have been kept from the light but I got to admit, you make statements as if you know something we don't... Of course, you could be just trolling, how would I know what you truly mean by what you post?

You mention how we have no knowledge of who "Satoshi" is. You're right. You're 100%, no a 1000% right with that claim. But the thing is, what makes you different? Your claim that "government agents and 'Bitcoin community leaders' persecute 'him'" contradicts your other statement that we don't know who Satoshi is.
And as everyone else who've posted on this thread have mentioned, there is no 'Bitcoin community leaders'... If there were, wouldn't it be known to us, as a forum? This is a decentralized system, there is no "leader" here.

True story? Or just another story that makes absurd claims like the recent HBO documentary? As you (should) know, there have been countless, and I mean countless, claims to "reveal the true story" on "blah blah, 20XX". To which no surprise, doesn't even tell anything of relevance.

As much as this is a "crazy" step forward for the eccentric theorists of this forum, it's nothing different than another rubbish post to the average member of this forum.

Sometime I believe you worked on FTPcoin between 2005-2008 before wallet become in BitTorrent helping Hal Finley to mine secret keys in collors pallettes of CWAD or WAD textures files format and you also helped for the creation of FileZila ???

I kown BITLEN death is a drama and the Hal Finney death is a drama to ...

If im true, sorry 4 the lost of your friends.

Your teams was very kool!

You are my idols I love you cause you helped me thx.

Just watched the HBO documentary. Kinda cool to reminisce some important event on Bitcoin creation, and some of the people involved with that. Quite astonishing that Adam Black, Peter Todd and some, cooperated with the HBO to make this possible though seen also Gmaxwell being flagged on some scene and explanation. If those evidences find are just a trap from Satoshi to lead them to people whom the HBO personnel think Satoshi was then he/them is truly a genius to hide or planned that this could turn out to this.

I haven't watched it to this day, because I haven't had time but it seems that your expression is quite interesting, the care of Satoshi's identity becomes very serious for them so that the identification of people who have been in contact with him is the evidence they want to collect to find it.
But what is a big question for me personally about this is why they take the time to find out who Satoshi really is? They want to validate what Shega takes time, energy and resources for a study, concluding Len Sassaman as a Satoshi candidate is that possible?

Aside from being a documentary which will gather a lot of viewers and interest, Im sure its a business too. The topic is quite interesting especially to a lot of users, and this will click to viewers and potential subscriber who wanted to know any details for that.

Not mentioned in the docs but the show focuses on Adam Back and Peter todd.

So thats their primary suspect among a lot of potential to be Satoshi, but still not enough proof on any of the showcase details.

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/15sxzZ4QSaoiMo5KYH9ab4xQj34yeJmKgb

is this appening many time ?

Here we go, another one to add to the list:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbKmtfbXwAA_J-L?format=jpg&name=large (https://x.com/nlw/status/1851725703659553125)


I wouldn't say "all the time" but dormant addresses wake up occasionally. It would have been more impressive if they were mined a year earlier.

This guy is probably the worst idiot that pretends to be Satoshi.
I listened  to new Faketoshi  aka Stephen Mollah speaking in this ''press conference'' circus and I was laughing a lot :)
One of the guys who was there recorded anbd uploaded several videos, and you would be shocked to hear all the ''inventions'' of this new clown allegedly made.

Link for one of the 6 videos:  
https://youtu.be/JenDTrIsDMU

Many of Stephen Mollah UK ''companies'':
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/ErKFFDDlOIAHqFfuaDngSyPXn0Q/appointments

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/31/Kqyfd.jpeg

Let's face it - Satoshi is dead!
Mexico has created an alter dedicated to the creator of Bitcoin in a sort of Day of the Dead celebration for BTC's 16th Birthday:
https://www.theblock.co/post/323802/bitcoin-edges-close-to-all-time-high-as-it-marks-its-sweet-16th-birthday

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/11/04/bTr3d.jpeg
https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1852446269673034203

Yeah probably he was but unlike his death the controversy cant died out in the process. I think majority who are noisy about it can pass up the idea that Satoshi cant never be renamed again or identify.

As much as I wanted  to know too, but for the sake of the person/people invented it maybe it better be stay this way.

Dead or alive - he is safe and sound, and that is what matters the most.

The idea is very, very cool, and traditions from Mexico themselves are pretty interesting, in my opinion.
Let's hope it was done well and Satoshi wouldn't need to attend it to prove them all wrong  ;D

Do you believe Cobra is guilty ?

Stephen Mollah is rich of trading gold in World of Warcraft for BTC since begining ?

Why do people think that it’s impossible to unravel the mystery behind Satoshi’s disappearance or to reveal his identity? Yeah I’m grateful to the man, his extraordinarily smart brains and his tremendous and notable contribution to humanity which even in his absence we still enjoy, but this dude is only just human, so if he’s still alive somewhere and just taking up a fake identity or just hiding in the shadows then I see no reason why it seems impossible to reveal his identity.

Not that I care too much about really knowing who this man is (but it wouldn’t be bad to know though) or revealing his identity would change anything about the nature of bitcoin or maybe take down bitcoin’s firewalls (I stand to be corrected). Bitcoin has always been pron to attack, We’re all aware of the 2018 51% attack or is it the 2020 Blockchain Reorganization Attack, The Dusting Attacks and several others. There have been so many unsuccessful attacks even without Satoshi’s identity being revealed, so why should there be a difference if/when the man’s identity is finally revealed?