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She is an ass, but an asset. We need her much more than we need you. Take a couple weeks yourself.

So she swore at you. Grow a thicker skin. This is not a cocktail party.

And no, I'm not her shill, I'm someone else's.

Hey @theymos, please ban Maged till he calms down, and please bring back that ghastly MPOE-PR.

*grabs  popcorn*

And yet Inaba can slander and defame people up and down the forums for years and nothing is done? Funny.

I think MPOE-PR can just pay the fine cause she did the time.

  Isn't that double jeopardy?

Technically yes it would be.

Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.
 

I was going by what the OP posted. It's witty how people usually leave out important details when they bash the mods.

I dont know all of the details either, so I'm not sure if a perma ban was warranted based off of what I do know, but some sort of action was reasonable. Swearing at the mods wont win you any brownie points, but most don't really care. Although old accounts shouldn't be given preferential treatment, how long someone has been here definately is a consideration. If you are a newbie with 30 posts, and 27 of them are banworthy, well, bye. But if your account is two years old with 2,000 posts and you have a slip up or a bad day, you tend to have a little bit more leniency given. That is not to say that you are untouchable if you have an old account, that is to say you are more likely to get a temporary ban first, or perhaps a second warning.

If anything, the title of this thread should be, MPOE-PR Perma Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?

Lets be honest MPOE-PR gets on everyone's nerves, she is annoying and while maybe 2 out of 10 post are good, she isn't a staple of this forum that bought any high level discussion.

Sorry for my sensationalist title - now edited - and my fudging of Maged's reasons for permabanning her.

I was annoyed, but it's no excuse.

Long-standing members do need a little more leniency when they're being tw@s.

Hehe, I didn't mean you had to literally change it. You also don't need to suck up to me, feel free to throw a few f bombs my way, I don't care. I was just voicing my opinion on the matter.

Is this the queue for abuse?

Source: Trilema (http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-march-2014-statement/)

Wow so mpoe-pr was literally paid to do nothing but spam these forums. I thought there was more to the job than that.

Well in the end she earned a cool few hundred btc for trolling. Something many do for free.

Almost as rotten as the cult of mpex and bitcoin-assets

I've been banned twice for something similar. This was a while back though lol

There are an awful lot of mods, and that's an awfully unfair generalisation.

Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.

The only tragedy is that TAT was not banned after asking the mod to ban him. Teach children that throwing temper tantrums do not work.

As for the mods supposed "scam-loving", Do your own homework, if you get scammed it is your own fault, do not blame the mods for that. 

Finally, It is only one website, being banned or whatever is not a big deal. There is almost always drama about this sort of thing, never understood why.

There is a fine line between critisism and trolling.

MPOE-PR had stepped miles across that line.

Seeing as its the forum's official policy not to touch scam accusations, I find that hard to believe. When people come to me asking to have a scam accusation against them taken down, even if I can tell its complete BS, I just tell them to provide a response that makes the accuser lose all credibility. We don't touch scam accusations, ever. Besides moving them to the scam accusation section that is.

If you see someone violate that, report it. They will be gone immediately if not sooner.

Oh, the warning was acknowledged, all right. She specifically quoted my warning in her "fuck you" reply. That reply was off-topic and was extremely likely to result in additional off-topic posts from other users. Had she posted that message in the correct location, she would have been fine. This is also why TAT wasn't banned: you can insult us and complain all you want in Meta, since doing so is often on-topic.

Beyond the reasons you mentioned for the ban, there are some more:
1) I've deleted many of MPOE-PR's posts in the past, throughout many threads.
2) MPOE-PR has an orange ignore button.

Alone, none of these things would result in a ban. You can only get banned if you put them all together.

Slandering and defaming people in a thread about a company of which you are an employee is often on-topic because it reveals the true character of the company. If we removed those posts, there would be a much better argument for claiming that we support scammers.

Again, none of those factors alone can result in a ban.

You're very welcome. I live to please.

But seriously, I deleted about as many of the supporter's posts as I did of the detractor's.

If you call everything a scam, and get some things right once in a while, that doesn't give you immunity to troll. If there is a thread accusing someone of being a scammer that is 15 pages long, and someone comes along and starts posting a "legit warning" but it is in the form of something that should be deleted. Its not silencing the accusation, its shutting one person up. The other 15 pages should be adequet.

Message to take away I guess is just because you call out scammers doesn't give you a free pass to break the rest of the rules. Thank you and congrats on calling them out, to both you and MPOE, your posts can still be deleted.

What is your achievement on this thread? To complain (cry) about all the staff being scammers?

MPOE is/was the only account on my ignore list.  Now I can remove her and be even more open minded!   ;D

Time and reader's discretion might apply to the second part, but...

The part where a concern was willing to offer a paid PR representative to present their positions on this forums for 25 months was a rather big deal, in a positive way. They highlighted the large scams: Pirate, GLBSE, LabCoin, Vircurex, and others. Most recently they highlighted NeoBee as almost inevitably a scam. The only person I've seen with a better efficacy at predicting scams might have been Kakobrekla, but he's been banned for a while now because he critiqued the Cognitive mining scam.

A well placed "Fuck You" is indeed the most professional speech possible in situations where:


happens.

When few people care to criticize scams and their posts start disappearing because "butthurt" or "trolling" before events can play out, the reasonable conclusion is that people with control over the content that survives on this forum are more concerned about their sphincter's lack of lubrication when they get called out and fucked than they are about letting a discussion stand long enough to get tested. Pirateat40 and Nefario still have their posts here.
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In what way are the staff do you think the staff are involved?

Usually the best way to fix issues like this is to suggest solutions instead of just throwing around accusations. It seems like lots of people here enjoy pointing out what they think are problems with this forum but don't offer any viable solutions that would fix them.

If people think moderators are deleting scam accusations, then why don't we have more accountability for the actions of moderators?
Perhaps a log of mod actions be visible and posts/threads that are deleted be accessible via this log for a brief amount of time after they are deleted. Then you can easily see what exactly the mods are up to and instead of thinking they are deleting scam accusations you will be able to quite easily prove it.

A useful tip: the website bitcointa.lk regularly crawls bitcointalk.org and has an archive of deleted posts so you can use this to see the posts people delete, including moderators. If they are indeed aiding scammers by deleting scam accusations they are doing a bad job as the scam accusations subforum is very lightly moderated.

Another common accusation is that Theymos is aiding scammers by allowing them to purchase advertising. How do you think he should solve this problem?
Should he ask all advertisers for Photo ID?
Should he then submit all ID scans to Law Enforcement? if not what happens if he is compelled by law to hand them over?
Should he hire private investigators to background check each and every potential advertiser?
Should he personally decide which ads he wants to display, and then be accused by people of censorship or being biased for or against certain advertisers?

You also touched on the staff being anonymous, I don't think thats the case. It seems to me that the moderators are not required to prove their identity nor are they required to publicly post it. They may or may not be anonymous and it is certainly possible to find out who a number of them are. I'm unaware of any forums that require volunteer moderators to prove their real identity or have it publicly accessible. I can't see why people have issue with this because knowing who they are doesn't change anything, they could still be "deeply involved with scams". Many scammers in the Bitcoin community are known yet remain unpunished. Many mexican drug lords are not only known but internationally famous yet still remain free. Knowing someones identity does not make that person more trustworthy.

I would also like to point out, if the moderators are deeply involved in scams then why aren't they deleting the hundreds of posts such as yours that accuse them of it? I find it quite strange you accuse the staff of these things yet they allow you to post it. Try accusing the mods of any other 100,000+ member internet forum of aiding scammers, I can almost guarantee you that the post will be deleted and you will likely be banned.

I'll miss you Goaty Goat, don't forget to write me  :(

Or steam chat works too  :)

IMAO don't unban! I can't believe this forum made this wonderful decision!
:(

wtg now those will easily be banned too.  ::)

The db probably has your ip logged, or some other identifier...  ::)

You're half right.

I was threatened with a permanent ban for "bumping" too many times even when there were no rules posted on the subject, and EVERYONE was doing it to the point that if you didn't do it too, your threads didn't get seen. I had already confirmed with another mod the appropriate amount of bumps as the unwritten rule, and then gladly limited myself to this. Regardless of my compliance for several days I was banned retroactively without warning, then they posted rules.

I was then banned for "off topic" posts for asking why only people bashing "Atlas" could post in one of the countless Atlas bashing threads run by the moderators. My post was removed, I received no warning and was banned with no way to fulfill orders from previously paid customers waiting for goods, and me with no shipping info available. I posted again about my post removal in the thread and I was threatened with a permanent ban for "trolling" shortly after this. The point of this is that "I disagree" is some times confused with "off topic" or "trolling". Bias and frivolous bans only cause more instability in the community and drive away otherwise dedicated users.  I would really hate to see a return to those dark days of this forum. The last thing we need now is more infighting.

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Just not on those days... meaning you'd have 1 less entry into the contest when we run the random drawing. Each day is a separate ticket to enter in the raffle basically.


Someone gets people to abuse the trust rating system each day with 6 entries. Multiplied by the number of people participating each day times the number of people responding each day to the negative posts? This is spam. Why wouldn't the people posting these daily be BANNED? And the person who started it be banned form the forums? Interesting.

Correlation does not equal causation. If I post that Area 51 is real, and there is a government coverup, start trolling/spamming over it, then get banned, I'm pretty sure there would be at least a dozen people who would be convinced I was banned because I was trying to expose the truth.

It's like this:
Shills and lunatics singing Danny's praises are not considered spam, no matter how asinine their comments get.
Those who try to warn the rubes in Neo thread are called trolls and spammers, their posts are deleted, and finally they are banned.  This astroturfing makes the scam appear credible to the suckers.  So yeah, you are responsible for people getting taken by Danny.  Through malice or plain incompetence, but you are not without guilt.

I would prove you wrong, but I don't really care what you think. When I'm laying on my deathbed one of my regrets will not be "I wish I spent more time proving random dude #302867 on the internet wrong". Which is why I don't participate in these sorts of threads anymore, or if I do it's just a post or two to make a point. The trolls are doing harm by hiding real accusations beneath tons of garbage that people won't bother to sift through. But think what you want, I don't care.

Though there is this.

Also for the record, it isn't a permaban.

theymos relented?

Well shit, thanks for letting me know :-\

I sometimes found his posts amusing

oh well

MPOE-PR was so negative and condescending all the time. Glad she is gone.

With that being said, was she really in a porno? Links?

She was an asshole, but she wasn't bad looking.

so true. Also, http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/ (http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/)
just love how delusional some people are.  ::)

Strange but I would like Mircea still be around as the account has been right often even if she can be quite the hot button but just need to read the mpex threads to see useful contributions, as it acts as an archive to all the scams the forum has experienced.

Flaming a new security also has its merits when they really do end up sketchy in the end, I've noted it in more than a few securities threads that turned out to be spot on.

But lol

This will be the last month of MPOE-PR salary. The Bitcointalk forum moderators finally took exception to her public naming and shaming of their favourite scams, and banned her. I suppose in a sense this is best for all those involved.

http://trilema.com/2014/hitler-mp/#comment-98836 (^_^)


Anyways can someone point me to the correct mod log so I can read through it ?
https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

Heh, neat I was just thinking about how I was going to hear from MPOE-PR to release the escrow. Thanks for the link.

No prob I was amused by the art myself, and since the account is currently banned thought it might be worth the point out  ;)

Because...bitcointalk.

Do you mean herp and MPOE? They where not just trying to warn the rubes in NeoBee. While they where doing that, they took good care to cover each and every one of their posts under a boatload of insults, fuss about somebody's post count or exact motives, or outright accusations of corruption.

That just might have been a factor in the recent moderator actions..

What did MPOE-PR do exactly to deserve a ban? And if she/he was being a jackass why didn't these people put her/him on ignore like anyone intelligent would? For me it wasn't the fact that MPOE-PR was being negative or condescending that was the problem but they seemed to think that their opinion mattered enough that it was okay to go around spamming shit everywhere especially towards newbies who were just genuinely looking for help and advice.

One of the worse things I've seen are people being and arrogant and unhelpful pricks to somebody who's just trying to learn about something, other than that I haven't really been paying attention to anything else they've been saying.

Bah!  I typed  "...and finally they are eventually..."?!  I must have caught it from the locals!
I already feel myself dumbening.

http://s29.postimg.org/5o8lrq2t3/Capture.jpg

They seemed to think that their opinion mattered enough that it was okay to go around spamming shit everywhere especially towards newbies who were just genuinely looking for help and advice.

Look i gotta jump in as BFL & Inaba are close to my heart

The whole INABA BFL bullshit will come bite you on the arse

Some dufus was trying to drag bitcointalk into legal proceddings in regards to gox which was a rather long bow IMHO

but with BFL all i can say is

GOOD LUCK WITH THat :D

Agreed .... We are "TROLLING" when we call BS for what it is BS

I liked here posts ...I suppose that makes me a troll as well ..lolz

RIP to the crazy shemale.

lol in that case I can totally understand why they were banned if they were spamming and if you couldn't tell, I'm still on the fence about MPOE-PR being a girl :P

To be honest that one has been a mystery to me for a while now although a certain traumatizing bet with a pencil came to mind mumble
Maybe the mods will relent later and move it to a temp ban if MP ever said sorry lol

Who cares what HIS avatar looks like. Anyone can pretend to be a good looking avatar on the net.  
FACT : Most good looking people on the internet are fugly 42yo virgins :P


It got paid to post like an arsehole?  No wonder this forum is in the toilet  :o

Also, EVERYONE knows that MPOE-PR is actually Mircea Popescu in a dress  ::)

It seems that swearing the mods/admins can get you a very fast and permanent ban, but scamming and deceiving people and abusing the trust system is ok.

It wasn't the swearing but a combination of "posting off-topic content" + "having off-topic posts deleted" + "posting more off-topic content" + "having more off-topic posts deleted" + "repeatadly ignoring the very few rules that we require users to abide by (one of them being "no off-topic posts")" + "telling the mod to fuck off after having off-topic posts deleted by him".


Scamming and deceiving people is not "ok", but that's what the Trust system's for. Most scammers and would-be scammers end up with glaring-red Trust warnings (obviously I'm not counting those frequenting the altcoin board).

Speaking of Neobee assume MP was trolling in that thread since it was brought up a few times chalk another point for Mircea

On March 28, 2014 Havelock Investments halted trading of the NEOBEE Fund; Havelock Investments has yet to receive any formal information in regards to the questionable trading activity on the LMB share platform website. We have not received any formal information on the current situation at LMB Holdings. Due to those factors we have decided that the unit holders on the NEOBEE Fund should no longer be suspended from trading their units. The Fund will now be designated as NEOBEEQ to reflect the uncertainty of the future of LMB Holdings – NEO BEE Ltd. Financial information on the status of the company has not been released. The units of this Fund will continue to trade even if the company will file for bankruptcy. We will continue to update you if any information is provided to us.

Trading will resume today at 5:00 PM EST

Thank you for investing with Havelock Investments!
https://www.havelockinvestments.com

I just don't know why MPOE-PR wasn't perma-banned two years ago when she started issuing malicious criminal libel.

Look who is turning up to "spit on the grave" so to speak.

You mean a certain target available for so many criticisms without libel being any reality?

Within the Bitcoin community, especially the "business" side of it there is no such thing as libel. In this conglomerate of sociopaths there is always a point.

that was easier than I expected.  :-[

Hey MP, could we have a blond one this time?

Well as an aside could use some MP in the securities thread now and then seems a bit to peaceful without a strong dissenting voice

NeoBee.
COG.
ActM
Lab Rat.
HIF.

Peaceful in that RIP In Peace sort'a way, I suppose :-\

There have been so many scammers it's hard to know all the "stories".
People who take the money and run will pay a huge price later in life.

It's really sad that this is the most interesting thread on the forum at the moment.

MPOE-PR was a flaming asshole that said many awful/hurtful things to so many different people over the last couple of years. Such fun! Can we have her back please?

I find a bit of amusement in the counterargument, which is that BFL can create a trust thread to destroy their rep and get shot with a lawsuit (finally) and advertise the whole time prior, ponzis can run amuk in gambling, John can go afk, tradefortresses can reappear and use the trust system to advantage against dissenters prior to inputs/coinlenders collapse, labcoins can pump and dump, neobees can spin away, and magicaltux's can still have their tuxedos while all these sort of other shenanigans occur without any problem Mircea gets the perma banhammer for trolling and pissing off one mod.


He-he she was our flaming asshole, :P and she left you alone usually lol unless you were the person who made a crappy IPO then (best of luck to you lol).

Meh rage aside back to the OP

If anything, the title of this thread should be, MPOE-PR Perma Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?
Two weeks later

Woops edit in

When can we expect her raging presence to return and stomp on Usagi for spitting on her grave XD

So being flamer and scammer comes together ?

With her gone, the forum returns to being the paradise you deserve.
With warm, friendly folks who recognise you for the finance revolutionary you are.  As they forage through your pockets for change.
Change overlooked by your other friends, the ones who robbed you before.

You summed up the whole forum nicely :) If it wasn't for the fact the forum must be HUGELY profiting from each scam, some how, in one way or another, i'd question the mental capacity of the forum mgmt.. but its obvious they do profit greatly.
We know the hole "free speech" BS they spin is just BS, thus why someone gets banned for speaking.. not scamming.

and wtf was the deal with TF just coming back ? I had a brief look through post history when he returned.. he seemed to be giving off one liners as to just promote the fact he, or someone using his account was back.. but no one seemed to question his return or be like hey wheres our money, or did they ?

I need to back stop and edit a line
John K has returned and paid out coinroll investors and soon the group buy so someone will need to point out a new backstop to fill it in.
Guess change John to a Pirates at 40 reference or something lol.

John K had some serious health issues I guess. Glad to see he is healthy enough to rectify the problems.

Her "raging and trolling" saved me a lot of money. I want her back!

So you seriously left me negative feedback because you did not agree with something I said?

Grow the fuck up kid. Your little buddy is gone.

Ass clown.

I believe you may be in need of some growing up as well.

Right.

I need to grow up for calling out someone who is abusing the trust system?

Regardless of the language I used, my point was still clear.

And you clearly missed my entire point.

@Rugged you dont need to call him out or say bad words for just a neg feedback.
It not gonna make any effect in your trading repo.

I just now stumbled upon this thread. Shocked! Even shocked about Goat deleting all his posts and stating he, too, will depart.

Meanwhile, davout no longer responds to my 1,132 BTC that was in InstaWallet, of which now resides in one of his personal bitcoin wallets.

davout's 1,384.35491053 BTC as can be seen here https://blockchain.info/address/16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk, amassed while InstaWallet was down and Bitcoin-Central was still basically idle.

The only saving grace, if nothing changes, is that The Bitcoin Foundation will have an accused pedophile on its board overseeing Mount Coxs.

Madness!

~Bruno Kucinskas

You're next...


Srsly this forum sucks.