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Some people buy Bitcoin and they hold for a long time so that when the price push up, they will sell and rejoice in profit, while some people are trading Bitcoin, they are buying and selling almost instantly to get profit on a short time. I really want to know whom you guys refer to as investors, is it a person that buys and keeps buying through out the bear season with his intention to sell in bull market season OR you refer investors as the person that trade Bitcoin repeatedly for short time profit? Can both of them be seen investors and for what reason?

Bitcoin investors are people that bought bitcoin and leave it for months (short term investors) or years (long term investors). They do not buy and sell bitcoin instantly.

Traders buy and sell bitcoin within short period of time like within few weeks or as short period not of time as a day, some hours or some minutes.

Traders and investors are not the same, those Who buy and hold are not Traders they are investors, the Traders used to move their money and follow the markets, if the price is up they sell and wait the price goes down to buy again, while holders just keep their coins for a long term.

Holders also can buy at low price, be patient and sell at a very high price during bull market. They even have the highest success rate. Everyone that is holding bitcoin since September 2024 are all still in profit right now and they can sell at high price. Unlike traders that will think to buy at low price and sell at high price but impatience makes them buy at prices that the coin will continue to fall. Traders have high fail rate. Most traders are losing. Which means they buy at high price and sell at low price.

Yeah traders can become investors when they're in that situation, I also in that situation because the altcoins I bought is still floating loss until now, my intention is to buy and sell in less than a week, but I have hold the coins like 2-3 months.

When the traders unintentionally become investors, it means they're bad traders, they don't know when to take profit and when they have to cut loss.

Investors make money via long term appreciation, ignoring short term fluctations.

Traders make money via short term fluctuations, ignoring long term appreciation.

The difference is quite distinctive, though many people act as a bit of both, blurring the border a bit.

Traders are after quick profits from the market fluctuation, they can sell anytime they see little profits. Investors are those who hold their bitcoin for at least one circle and they are after long-term profits. Trading is very risky compared to investing because the market can go against you at anytime. A trader is not an investor but some traders don't know that they're traders. They call themselves investors.

Trading and investment are two different concepts.

Trading is a term used by traders who aim to make a profit in a short time by buying and selling it again in the near future or short term such as minutes, hours, weeks or months with any profit and if you are lucky and have large capital then the profit you will get will also be large. However, being a trader tends to have a higher level of risk compared to investing, because trading is very dependent on and takes advantage of existing fluctuations and also to do it you must really have full time to observe the market in order to make purchases and sales at the right time.

And investors are investments made for the long term that take years, dozens of years or even tens of years just to get very large profits by making periodic purchases or buying when the price is down and holding it for the long term and this is called an investor. And an investor will have a lower risk, which in my opinion is not risky at all because a new investor will take action to sell when they have made a very large profit without considering time and the market and if it is not as profitable as desired they will continue to hold it.

From your own definition and explanation it's already clear that if you buy and sell instantly, you belong to the traders group. Investing in something means you will allow it to mature before you take off your investment profit, and it doesn't take instantly; it's something that takes a little bit of time, either months or weeks, which is why we have long- and short-term investors. Those who buy and hold are investors, and traders sell instantly or almost instantly.

It is still an investment practice and they are still investors. It's just they start in a bear market and don't have too long vision for their investment and portfolio than a next bull market. Anyway there is nothing wrong with investment your money in Bitcoin and maintain it only within one market cycle.

They are doing DCA, starting in a bear market, maintaining it for months and planning to take profit, making their withdrawals in a bull market. It's good.

Are you ready for the Bitcoin bull market? What's your plan? Some ideas for you (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483225.0)
DCA vs Smart DCA, what do you choose? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489866.0)

How about those who focus only on spot trading, both in a bear and bullish market? They are just in for short-term profit; they buy and sell almost in an instant with little price change and take whatever profit they can get and reopen another trading position. Are they also considered to be investors? Or as long as you put in your money and time in return for profit, you are automatically an investor?

Sports or Spot?

May you stay on topic, please.

OP asked about buying in bear market and selling in bull market, is it investment?
In my opinion, it is because the accumulation time and holding time is long enough. No exact number because a bear market lasts long enough, and with different entry time in a bear market, you will have different holding time compares to other people who buy earlier or later than you.

You don't need to buy and hold your bitcoin more than 5 years to be considered as a Bitcoin investor.
https://hodl.camp/

Traders can be call investors also, the difference that lies between a trader and someone investing to hold is only the duration of time involved, an investor will find a perfect entry position to buy the market at dip and hold till the market rises before selling, this may take a longer time as the market may be volatile as usual, while a trader is such that uses that same bitcoin with other currency pairs for trading against each other, this can also be on a short or long term trading depending on the kind of trade such person is doing, so investment is strictly on bitcoin while trading involves two currencies in pairs against each other, but at the end, we can say one is a trader and the other an investor, and it is still right to call a trader and investors, because he is using his bitcoin invested upon to trade other currencies.

Investors are not limited to long-term investments, there are also called short-term investments where traders fall in.  Before a trader starts his trading career he needs to invest money in the item he wants to trade and for this instance Bitcoin. If we can't consider the money spend by traders in buying their initial item for trading as an investment then what can we call that thing?

Charles already made a clear difference but then let me add my 2 cents opinion: Traders are gamblers... in gambling you don't want for your risk to get mature you are even afraid it may go against your odds immediately same as trading you don't spend much time on its but hang around watching it sometimes not even up to a day (24hrs) while investors even take decades to reap or even take the profit.

Hence the clear difference is there a trader is no investor and investors can be a trader but a trader is not an investor. it's not Viz vice not vice versa.

I mean spot...  It was a typo error, corrected now, thanks.

I understand the point you are making, but reading from the OP, in his first paragraph, he talks about buying and selling almost in an instant if the person is also considered an investor, which switching from a bear to a bull market doesn't just happen in minutes, which is where my question came from.

And yes, I also know that one doesn't need to hold for a circle and above before they can be considered an investor, but still the selling shouldn't be in an instant, and that's the point I was trying to make and also asking my question.

Tell us one trader that doesn't know that he is a trader. And tell us the dichotomy of the both trader and investor with different tools used you know. I know where you are going and you have not make it clear for everyone in the forum bro know that yes you are talking about trading. Please I will want you to reread Charles -Tim first comment again and again to understand what is investment all about. Which I will quote it it again for you. There is Short Term and long term investment and short term investment is not trading because they are using different tools and methods. Now in short term investment tools are: either self custodial wallets or custodial wallets and why the investor used self custodial wallets is because they are not sure what will happen in that short period of time and they Short period can be a 2 months to 1 year or more and I strongly believed that is where you are saying that he is trader who doesn't know that he is one. Now if he is trader what are the tools he used? In trading the trader used custodial wallet and not self custodial wallets or non custodial wallets, he used market candle sticks, he used TP/SL, they used charts, timing, lines, indicators support/resistance and this resistance is one of the major tool traders use, you can see it from the images.
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You can see the time here.
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So in what sense or ways are you bringing investment to trading? Also provide the tools as well so we can clearly know the differences. And as I said investment is short term and long term and you are indirectly saying that those who are investing for short term are traders, how? In which tools are you using to to give this statement?

Please can you see this as well. Are you saying he is wrong? If no, then who are those that don't know they are traders you are referring to?
Did you see those tools I mentioned in investment? Traders are not called investors because they are different businesses. But you are merging them together by your statement, " some traders don't know that they are traders", meaning they are investors but in form of traders. Because they are using short term investment.

Although both have the same goal of making a profit through Bitcoin, only one of them is worthy of being called an investor because the other one is clearly visible through the actions he does himself every time, which is trading with Bitcoin so he is only worthy of being called a trader not an investor in Bitcoin although the person could be an investor in other assets, but in this case (for Bitcoin) he is only suitable to be called a trader. Meanwhile, those who like to buy Bitcoin and store it for the long term are indeed suitable to be called investors because these people are not so tempted by small profits through Bitcoin price movements in the market, even though in the end they will also sell Bitcoin to gain more profits at the moment of a much greater price increase in Bitcoin.

Oxford Dictionary defines an investor as:
From the above definition, both Bitcoin traders and holders are investors. However, it is generally perceived in the Bitcoin space that those who keep Bitcoin for a long time are investors. These set of people don't need to always monitor Bitcoin prices daily. But traders have the intention of selling anytime the price favours them. They usually monitor the market almost everytime to check when they can buy or sell.

Dictionary meaning is very clear on who an investor is and also who a trader is. A trader can be an investor, but it is not through the trading that they engage in that they are called investors but having to buy cryptocurrency assets and store for a long time in expectation that the value increases with time. Buying and waiting for the value of your purchased cryptocurrency to increase in time without any direct action of yours other than trying to keep it safe is what is referred to as investment.

The term Investor in relation to Bitcoin can be applied to many different people with
different approaches.

For me Buying and HODL'ing for a long time isnt the only qualifying means for an
investor. The miners and Node runners are also investing in Bitcoin by making the
network useable and secure. The developers are massively invested in Bitcoin too!

Everyone else like traders, service providers like exchanges, hardware wallets
and mining hardware are all invested into Bitcoin in their own way!

These two professions have quite significant differences in terms of profit taking. Bitcoin traders are relatively quick to sell and buy as long as there is a profit opportunity at that time and those who only focus on trading will worry if they are late in making a sale. While investors on the other hand put themselves in a position that does not care about worries, because their targets have a long time and can determine sales according to more profitable market conditions.

You don't have to say "for me" those who understand bitcoin to the core understand that Miners are investors and not traders. They are categorize as investors. In trading there is short term and long term the same with investment. And as I said these professions as one of the commenters said, have different tools to use. Though there are times some of the tools are related like market analysis of rising and falling. Buy the dip and sell in the bull. In trading the bull is seconds, minutes, hours, days and weeks or months. But in investment the bull is months and years that is one of the biggest different. And we should not call traders as investors because they are toe different people.

When they buy bitcoin for long term and then when they sell it, aren't they trading and considered traders? They are selling (that is trading) their bitcoin for fiat. They are holding the coins with the intention of trading it. So yes, they are also traders, but just holding it for longer terms. Once they sell, they will buy again when the price drops. And yes, when you are trading, you are investing. Just look at the definition of investing. It means putting down money with the hope of generating profit. So yes, you are investing money when trading with the hope of gaining some money and hence traders are also investors.

investors hold for a long time and their plans include a long term approach and almost eliminating all risks meanwhile traders use the volatility of the market to make profit immediately and continuously and are considered more risky

some traders still buy and hold for a long time while they trade while some investors can also trade for quicker return of money it’s that simple really

Bitcoin investors are those that buy Bitcoin and hold for a period of time for the sole purpose of making profit. They can decide to hold for a long or short time depending on when the profitability comes and they sell off to take their profits. As an investor of Bitcoin, you can’t be liquidated, your value of Bitcoin will rise and fall depending on the market fluctuations. You can only leave the market manually when you’re no more interested.

A trader analysis the market and wager some money into his trade in the direction he feels the market will go, they could be right or wrong, when they’re wrong, their capital begins to depreciate until they get stopped out or liquidated base on the price they set for it. And when their analysis go right, they’ll be earning profit until it reaches where they set their take profits. The trading market can be operated manually or automatically depending on how you set it.

from my understanding, a trader is someone who trades bitcoin to gain profit in the short term. while investors are those who invest money in bitcoin in the long term. both traders and investors have different approaches in gaining profit in bitcoin, that's why they are called differently, but both still have the same goal, which is to seek profit from bitcoin.

The most important difference between traders and investors is the length of time they hold their assets in a portfolio, usually traders tend to think about looking for profits in a short time, monitoring the market almost every day to look for buying opportunities with the aim of making profits in a short time, there are several types of traders (scalping, day trade, swing). In contrast to investors who look at the market only occasionally, usually only to see the price development of the coins they hold, investors are more active in fundamentals, more often monitor news and analyze its impact on the market, tend to look for opportunities only to buy in the long term, do not think about selling in a short time even though the coins they hold are accumulating profits, but they have their own targets and usually the target can be several times the current price.

An investor focuses on long-term income by holding bitcoin more than five years while trader are those that buy bitcoin from the market and trade for any giving time to make income, Investors are good in targeting the low price before they can approach the market to buy assets that is gainful while trader are not too after huge income at the moment than to continue earning small income from the trading until it get bigger,  you can see there is a little difference between trader and investor but the both focuses on income.

If it is in other concepts aside bitcoin but the traders and investors can be classified as same thing, but in bitcoin they are categorized with anyone going for a long term plan where they buy, hold and sell after a long term are regarded as investors. As for traders they do not hold and even if they do it is for a very short term. Traders are those who have the opportunity in bitcoin to actually earn money during bearish period buy either selling or buying but investors are mostly those who gain profits when the market pumps. Traders most especially future traders can earn profit from a dipping market.

So in bitcoin it’s differentiated with the difference been that traders are short time buyers and sellers while investors are those who hold for long

This is correct. In terms of the terminologies, a bitcoin trader is totally different from a bitcoin investor, a trader is an individual who sinks in his/her funds into a trade for the purpose of engaging in short term buying and selling of digital assets thereby capitalizing on the market trends and fluctuations. When the bitcoin value is on the downside you sink in some funds into the coin either through spots trading or perpetuals trading whereas a bitcoin investor is an individual who invests certain capitals into a coin with the sole purpose of living it to grow over a long period of time. An investor holds a coin for a long term either in lump sum or through the DCA approach, where he puts an initial fund, then commit more funds at intervals allowing him to watch the portfolio's growth with the little funds at his disposal and whether it is worth it. Aside from that, in lay man's understanding, trading should also be regarded as a form of investment too, but on a very short term.

From a layman's perspective, anyone who puts his money into a venture with the aim of making profit is an investor. Such person could be a short, medium or long term investor. If your benchmark for a Bitcoin investor is keeping Bitcoin for a long time then some miners are not investors. I assume that some miners immediately sell the coins they mined. I suppose that there are miners who are short term Bitcoin investors because they don't hodl mined coins for a long time.

Traders don't hold too long, as it only happens when the market suddenly dumps. Unlike investors, whose plan is really to hold after buying. Traders will often make their lives busy maximizing their time just to earn a few bucks every day. While investors make their lives easy and just wait for the perfect time to sell their coins. In general, they are entirely different. That is why people choose to become investors, especially if they don't have enough time to spend in the market and if they can dare to carry the high risk and pressure.

Traders can be also considered as investors because they take the risk in buying bitcoin. To buy is to somehow invest on it, because they also trust the potentials of bitcoin, it's just that the transaction is only made for short term.

However, when we talk about investors, they are mostly those who buy in dips and hold, and continue to accumulate and increase their portfolio through following DCA. They do it for long term, and only decide to sell portion of their coins when the price reaches a new all time high.

I honestly think it depends.

It depends if a person prefers short term or long term trading. I'm more of a long term trading guy and I prefer investing when it is done over a long period of time and the gains are compounded too. Short term trading have its place but inbmy experience, long term is more fitting for the "investment" term while trading is mostly concerned with shorter positions rather than swing ones.

I tend to agree with you, I don't think trading could be called investing, but rather speculating actually I would say, traders don't wait for long term return on investments but on instant profits or very fast ones at least. They don't care of what their orders can imply for the asset when they buy it or sell it masively, if it collapses because of that finally, it's none of their business, they just look for another asset to trade, and they apply the same strategies.

I don't think both of your description are correct. Let me start out by saying that an investor does not only buy Bitcoin on bear season and sell on bull season, rather an investor buys Bitcoin regularly wether bear or bull season with the following strategies DCA,, but the Dip and lump sum and all this has no specific Time. An investor buy and store or stack Bitcoin for long time use, having the purpose of accumulating a certain amount of Bitcoin before a certain period of time. While traders don't think if long time investment but rather they are after the little profit they will get within a short period of Time. So both of them have different sight when it comes to  profit. Eg. (Traders)= "short time profit" (investors)= "long time profit"

Simple is that....Traders are those people who used to make profit via in a short time period through the help of price fluctuations. While investors are those who HODL their Bitcoin for the long term to make a profit like it up to them how long they can hold it. Whether they can hold it for one bull cycle or a long time (5-10years). It depends on them, but to be honest, real investors are those who HODL their Bitcoin for the long term, a minimum of 5 to 10 years, because the more time you HODL, the more profit you will make. Now those who have hodl their for long time they will have more value gain in profit. Despite trading also organizing profit margins, but trading is more risky as compared to investment.

So both have profit margins, but in trading there is high profit along with high loss in short time while investment has zero risk with huge profit.

It's just the difference in terms of how long they hold it. Investors generally keep it for longer terms expecting a high price, so they don't really need to check the market almost every hour. Traders on the other hand, hold them for maybe as short as a few minutes to a few hours, constantly checking the market updates and looking if they can profit or not. It's an immediate profit vs a long-term profit comparison. Doesn't really matter when they buy imo and if you want to characterize it that way, in a sense that's what ALL people do, both investors and traders. They both want/try to buy low and sell high.

I reckon traders CAN be an investor since they might be able to see an asset perform much more in the long run (and it being stagnant at that point anyway, so no point in selling) though.

No, traders are not supposed to be call investors. Reason is
because it can be considered a solicitation or a form of unauthorized advice, which may violate regulatory rules and securities laws and also it can create a conflict of interest and potentially influence the investor's decisions, which may not be in their best interest..

There is a difference between traders and investors traders usually enter the market for short term gains they want to make quick profits from market fluctuations. Traders react very strongly to market conditions and trade for short term gains within days weeks or months. Investors participate in the market for long term gains. They invest based on the main trend of the market and hold bitcoin for a long time. Investors usually hold their investments for one or more years and have long term goals.

For those who have financial knowledge and are involved in the financial market, they will never call a trader an investor or vice versa. Because they know well that the approach and purpose in the market of these two groups are different but for those who are not involved in the financial market. They have a habit of calling everyone involved in the financial market an investor, they don't care what method you use to make a profit in the market.

Like if your mom knows you are investing in bitcoin, she will automatically call you a bitcoin investor even though you can make money by trading. Right? So you are both right.

Whether you are holding long term or waiting to get out or back in on day trading you're an investor in my books. I'd say the riskier of the two options is definitely day trading. It can be grueling especially if you start going down and it's surely not for the faint of heart!

The investor is those who buy and hold for some time. I guess there is no exact time for how long someone can hold their asset and be called to be a temporary investor. However traders could be investors if they can not sell immediately some reason.

For example, if a trader buys Bitcoin but then the price drops and stays for a while at the current low price, he will think twice to sell it at the low price. He will hold his Bitcoin and wait for a while until the price increases.

He could be a temporary investor because he held his Bitcoin for some time. Those who bought Bitcoin at $109k are also called an investor if they don't sell in the downtime.

Traders would or at least should buy at a low price but low enough that they think after that there will be a price increase. Traders wait for the increase in price to sell immediately. They look for signs of it in the market.
Investing starts at buying bitcoin for me. Once you buy bitcoin and you intend to make profit from it then you have already invested. But if you bought bitcoin to use it for transactions then I do not think you can be called an investor.

But bitcoin is also a financial market, and even that represents only a small fraction of the world market. It needs to follow the pre-established rules and definitions of the financial market, trying to change the concept or distort existing definitions will not change the fact that bitcoin is just a financial market. As long as people put money into bitcoin and the purpose is to make profit whether short term or long term, they are still bitcoin investors.
Instead of making things more complicated, why don't we simplify them when we all have the same goal, which is profit?

You have literally explained the difference between an investor and a trader in your thread, an investor buys and holds Bitcoin for a long time (for those that are using the long term strategy) most investors are not bothered about the market but only focused on their long term goals and make massive profit, on the other hand a trader buys and sells Bitcoin frequently within a shorter timeframe, unlike an investor that doesn't bother about the market, a trader is always monitoring the market price frequently and they make more transactions than an investor. I'd say that an investor is focused on long term gains while a trader is focused on short term gains or an investor is someone that buys things and hold and takes their time to decide when to sell it while a trader is someone that buys and sells things frequently.

Traders are far from investors, investors buys assets to hold for a time frame. There are short-term and long-term investors. Investors have a longer holding perspective then traders.

Traders are those who take advantage of market dynamics and purchase assets predicting the next direction of the market before selling off their assets for some profits. Traders virtually don't hold specific coins for long, they enter the market and exit within short periods of time


There's an exception when a trader buys and holds a specific coin like Bitcoin differently while engaging with his trading practices with a different portfolio without tampering with his Bitcoin holding to service his trading activities. I feel that person is both a trader and an investor.

traders indeed focuses only on short term gains which they look for the perfect time to enter the market and the perfect time to take profit but investors most of them don’t focus on that but they hold for long time but still their reason for investing is to make profit, but their duration to how long they will hold is only base on their own target.

Maybe you think, OP because there is a time that traders hold their coins, but it usually happens during a bear market. Unlike investors, they will hold for months or years waiting for the time to sell their coins. They just only focused on buying, holding, and selling. But traders just hold for a short time as they wait for a good opportunity to trade their coins. That is why we can say that traders are carrying pressure on their shoulders, as they need to be more active in the market than the life of an investor.

Was actually expecting such question to come from a beginner.
Investors are enthusiasts who buys and holds their bitcoin for an asset in a long or short term goals. They are potential not to hope on making profits in a short time.
Traders are enthusiasts who buys bitcoins and sells back in a quick term sporadically.
They are hoped to make profits in a quick time without undermining the risks of the volatile market.

To me, investors are those who buy BTC, wait for some time (and depending on the amount of time, they are short-term, mid-term, or long-term investors), and then sell Bitcoin for profit or simply spend it directly on something. They can buy it all at once, in big bunches or in small regular amounts (DCA).

Traders are supposedly buying and selling so regularly that one can barely say they're actually holding Bitcoin or investing in it. They're profiting from buying and selling at the right moments, not from Bitcoin's long-term growth. I do not see them as investors in this sense, but perhaps it's also important how often they buy/sell. If it's multiple times per day, that's a trader to me. If it's once per week or longer, that's an investor.

Why should you care about the opinion? when you can judge it according to your own preferences, people are also like that towards trading and investment, I would say in my opinion that Investment is someone who saves in the long term or more than one month while your trading can start from seconds to months, but in its own purpose it is different and that is what makes the core difference between trading and investment, namely in the spread of your intentions in making purchases, whether for investment or traders. IMO

Those people buying BTC and hodl for long time are investors, because they will not sell the BTC until the price hit higher to cause them double profit, and they know is only that long hodling can make their wish to turn to reality in the future. Investors don't buy today and sell BTC immediately, because they know they are not going to earn what will satisfy them than to hodl 2 or 3 years before they can sell to achieve massive profits from the long hodling.

Trader are those people that focus on minutes, hours, daily and weekly profit because their objective is to trade the moment the price hit higher within an hour to earn profit, and they don't like to hodl BTC for long years.

Of course, traders are a type of investor because their money is involved. They invest or buy one of the coins using their own money. And try to sell them at higher prices. Since they first buy a coin with their own money, it is definitely an investment. But this is a short term investment. Holdings are long-term investments. And those who do trading make short term investments.  Both are investments.  Because investment is when someone uses his money somewhere for the purpose of profit. It does not matter whether he invests for short term or long term. investment is always investment

Have you ever heard of a long-term trader? Yes, there are traders who trade cycles and they are in for the long run. The difference is, a trader will always exit his position when it looks like bad times are coming. For instance, during the pandemic when stocks started crashing, long term traders would exit, which is why we had crashed so hard back then.

A long term trader is very similar to an investor with the difference that an investor can allow himself to go under, while a trader will avoid it at all cost.

Yes ,true traders can also be called Investors too but the difference lies in their different time frames, approaches and endpoint goals they want to achieve.But sometimes,Someone can be an investor and a trader at the same time too.
Although,some traders and even investors would not want to credit the same influence of who's the trader of who's the Investor but in the long run,it doesn't really matter as they're good in identifying opportunities and effectively making profits.

I think that the one who invests for profit may be for a short time or for a long time. I consider both of them as investors. That is, whoever invests the money is an investor. There is no guarantee that everyone will benefit from their investment. Some investors invest for a long time, while some invest for a short time and then withdraw that money. And we can also call those who hold for a long time call investors. Finally we can say that the person who invests for profit is basically an investor. If we do a deep analysis, those of us who buy and sell for a short time are called traders, but they are also included in the category of investors.

Op both short term and long term buy and sell of bitcoin are investors but sometimes we like to distinguish them by calling long-term holders investors while short term holders as trader, they are actually investors irrespective of the time duration of buying, holding and selling. The fact that you have bought bitcoin already  make you an enthusiast of bitcoin, which mean you have made some contribution to bitcoin, and you can be called a bitcoin investor as long as you're still holding the coin, but the moment you sell those coins, you've withdrawn yourself from the title investors, this is applicable  to both short and long term investors.

A Bitcoin investor is someone who holds on to his assets for long term or short term without selling instantly.
IMO, a trader is not an investor because they do not hold for long term. However sometimes the traders make profits and sometimes they don't because trading has a higher risk than investment. A new trader will find it very difficult to trade and make profits but a new Bitcoin investor can invest just the first day and understand how to keep on buying.

The word investment simply means to put your money into something that would generate a larger amount for you in the future. Those that hold are actually investors, they buy Bitcoin and keep for 3 to 5 years and sell afterwards when they have made a large amount of money, some might say that those that trade are also investors but I don't think that's really accurate. People who are into trading mostly trade to make profit instantly, the real investors don't find short term profits, An investment is made for the future not the present.

You are absolutely correct that is the real truth about it, because the difference is quite clear just like as you mentioned that is it. Traders are just gamblers they do monitor the market every often to no whether they can cash out or not since is a short time period. Why investors always have target of long term investment regardless of the market price they would just keep on buying and holding for future purposes.

I disagree with this. Do you want to make short term profits? Not only you, any of us want to make quick, short-term profits or to put it bluntly, everyone wants to get rich quickly. But we realize that it is very unlikely and quite risky so we accept to be long term investors, but if the market suddenly grows rapidly, bitcoin skyrockets and brings huge profits in a short time. We all take profit even though our previous plan was to hold for long term, are we investors in this case?

Investing simply means putting money into something and expecting to get returns, it has nothing to do with timing as it depends on market fluctuations and the investor's strategy. Traders are also investors and use short term strategies, they can be called short term investors or speculators.

Day traders if that's all they do may not be investing as it always be converted to cash.

But if the day trader is managing to make his btc stack grow I would say he is investing in BTC

Things like this have been discussed before, but there are still people who question whether a trader is an investor or not. The answer is clear, the trader is not an investor. Usually the trader is only based on short -term trading, whether it is a scalping or swing trading. And they use tools such as Moving Average, RSI, MACD, etc., to be able to make decisions on their trade. As well as monitoring the market continuously to see the difference between the purchase and selling price. It is different compared to investors who look more in the long run, and they invest only based on the potential of these assets—and they use more fundamental analysis to see market movements.

All investors are long term traders. So yes an investor is a trader but with a long term vision

I understand that traders may not really be regarded as investors since most of them only seek instant profits without having an investor mindset. However, I still wish to know who made the rule that investments must be long-term before they qualify as investments? Mind you, we still have short-term investors; everything just boils down to investment goals.

Even in the crypto space, there are people who only want to make money as soon as the price appreciates. Their approach could be short-term, lasting a few days, weeks, or months, or long-term, as they are willing to wait until they achieve their desired returns. Where do we place them—traders or investors?

Arguing about whether traders are investors will cause a very long debate. Let everyone be who they think they are. In the end, the goal of both strategies is to make a profit.

When I think about what an investor is, I picture someone like me buying bitcoin and just sitting on it for years. I'd hold onto it, waiting for that moment way down the road when the price shoots up and then i'd cash out with a big smile. It's all about playing the long game, believing in the future of crypto and not sweating the daily ups and downs. Traders, though? They're a different breed. i see them jumping in and out of the market all the time, buying low and selling high, chasing those quick profits that add up fast if you've got the knack for it.

For me, being an investor feels calmer, like I'm planting a seed and letting it grow over time. Traders, on the other hand, are always on their toes, riding the waves of those wild price swings. I guess in a way, we're both part of the same crypto world, putting our money where our beliefs are. But while I'm dreaming of that big payoff years from now, they're out there making moves every day. Honestly, i admire how they handle the stress, I'd probably lose sleep watching the charts that close! Still, whether you're holding tight like me or flipping coins like them, we're all betting on this crazy market in our own way.

Yes it is true where profit is made using money it is called investment. And the investment can be of different types, it can be short term or long term and it can be for just a few hours.

Trading can be considered as an investment. But it is very risky. It is better to refrain from trading as there is a high probability of loss in this investment. Because no one can predict the future even for a minute with a guarantee. However, long-term future can be predicted by various analyses. So even though trading is an investment, it is very risky. But long term investment is always profitable

It is actually quite easy to distinguish between investors and traders. Investors target long term profits storing and accumulating assets that are considered promising such as bitcoin for a period of 4/6 years then selling them when the assets provide profits according to plan. Their approach is also quite simple. Those who are called investors do not care too much about market fluctuations because their goals are long term, while traders focus on short-term profits.

I agree, we shouldnt paint all traders with the same brush, there are traders as philipma1957
points out who only trade to convert to cash and may not HODL Bitcoin for any length of time,
but thats not all traders. There are definitely some who trade with a percentage of their Bitcoin
HODL'ing and have possibly been doing so for many years.

There is also a case that Miners and those running nodes are also trading while HODL'ing too,
there may actually be developers trading too - thats certainly a possibility.

Anyone who has at least an understanding of the Bitcoin basics and who believes in the future
and is actively adding to the network is invested in the Bitcoin network and is looking at it for
the long term.

Investors are for the long term and they only trade when they are in profit. But those that does scalp and swing trading, they're the real traders in the market. It's up to how you view both of them, they can both classified as traders since the long term investors are going to sell and they are required to trade so, therefore they're also traders. It's not actually a big matter to discuss because as long as you're in profit and if you think yourself as an investor or a trader, you're free to call yourself however you are.

Literally traders are trader while investor are traders. A trader know exactly what he is doing, typically timing the market for when to sell and when to buy an asset. While an investor is buying to hold an asset hoping to take profit after some years of investment most investors also do the mistake of taking out every small gain and investing back again from time to time. You may call such investor to be trading since he is not obeying the rules of investment.

Traders are not supposed to be called as investors. Trader is someone who betting on the risk in short term, and hoping they can get decent return without waiting so long. It's different with investors who are looking for long term value speculation from an asset through holding it.

Traders and investors are different. Although some may be arguing that investors are also doing trading activity to invest, but it's different in term of target, time line, method etc.

Yes, some may misplace a trader and an investor. Both of them purchase Bitcoin but vary with the term approach. Investors are personified with a single aim, (Buy & Hold) meanwhile traders are opportunistic with the way they access the market, they depend on analysis to get their profits, whatever they generate as profits are not coming from ATH but movements happening in the market.

The multitude of traders we have are short term traders, day-in traders, or weekly, only does with large bankrolls are doing the long term trading which can take months to enter the position made on the market, this sort of trading can not be classified as investing, trading is mostly based on market fluctuations within a designated time analysis.

Like you called it, Spot trading, meaning they are trading and not investing, reason being that those funds doesn't stay in one asset for long and they might be switching from one asset to the other with respect to the market dynamic. So they are trading.

Spot trading carries minimal risks, since you can only loose the percentage at which the value of the asset traded against gains over your purchase price in which ever direction you anticipated. There is a risk of course to purchase assets that dumps within a short while, then heavy losses are incurred, so this spot trader cannot be called an investor

Yep. Investors won't set a short time target, they will set a target for taking profits in few months or even years. Investors usually plan for holding few years, 3-4 years at least. In this way, they can get significant profits. That's what I'm doing as well, holding for few months won't bring a very significant profits.

Traders will take profits in a short time. Even there are traders who set a target for profits daily. There are day trader, they get some profits just in a day. However, they won't get a very significant profits because the price won't fluctuate very much in a day. Commonly, traders choose altcoins with high volatility, this can bring bigger profits due to a significant price move in a day.

Very true. Investors and traders are different. They have different targets, they have different ways in selling-buying coins. Investors set a long time target, meanwhile traders set a short time target. Investors will prefer to buy during the bearish season, traders will buy at any season. Sure, traders will be more often monitoring the price move, but investors won't really care for the price move daily/weekly.

You are going with the technical meanings and terms used because technically, even an investor trades when they are either buying or selling assets of their choice, but logically, an investor is different than a trader because when we say someone is an investor, we mean they intend to buy and hold an asset as an investment so that they can get capital gains when its price grows over time, whereas a trader is someone who frequently buys and sells assets to get profits on a short-term basis.

You can even think of it from other businesses' perspectives. Imagine, if we are talking about a company of watches. Someone who buys and sells watches every day or week and is always in the process of doing that is called a trader. However, if someone buys specific watches, and keeps them with himself so that he can sell them when their price goes up, he is investing in watches and isn't trading them in the logical sense.

But yet they are still using their money to buy and sell for the expectation of short time profit, is that not meant to qualify them as investors too because investment means when someone put in a certain amount into an asset for the expectation of ROI and what this traders are doing is also putting their money into short term investment process of Bitcoin. Investment means one thing but when it concerns Bitcoin investment people think different about it, they say that only holders are the investors but investors risk their money to get ROI, that's why I think it should just be one thing. Some one said that even miners are investors and I think it's true.

It is something you simply put your money and expect returns and the returns are just something that you expect you can not get what you always want and this is why the interest you come with matters a lot and this is what will show your progress because you have to be prepared before you can be an investor.

And those that hold Bitcoin are even does that I even feel are the actual investors to because they are taking there time to actually wait for everything to actually yield because it is just as if you are planting and you are waiting for the crop to actually produce but this one takes longer.

This is more reasons why I prefer older than traders because trading comes with a lot of risk that people will not see able to control starting from there emotions. But are investing since you will get something in return. So they are all investment. It just depends if you are getting something in return or not.

Lol. didn't expect that it's now complicated to be called an investor.

As long as you've invested, long-term or short-term, you're an investor, the idea of an investments is to secure something valuable in the future, to have a good profit from it and both long-term and short-term gives you that. Long-term are those who believed into the idea, they're the reason why it keeps going and the reason why it has a good foundation until now because they hodl for long term and aiming for a good value. Short term investors are those who take advantage of market's behavior and let me tell you this, some of the short-term investors are also long-term investors, they have stocks of blue chips that aren't used for short trading.

I have never seen stock investors, real estate investors or traditional investors in general arguing and dividing each other just because of the concept of what an investor is and what a holder is. They don't make things more complicated because it doesn't help. On the contrary, bitcoin investors are making things complicated and trying to divide the community by introducing their own new concepts, changing the long-standing concepts in the financial market.

I remember not long ago: there was a thread discussing who are real Hodlers and they only recognize someone as an Hodler if that person uses a non-custodial wallet and holds bitcoin for years. On the contrary, those who use custodial wallets, exchanges...are not Holders. LOL. I really worry when some people try to divide the bitcoin community that way.

Well In as much I think I couldn't understand what you are trying to say but from the little I could understand not all investors who buy assets are consider long term holders, as an investor you most focus  more on  the part of long term strategy buying and hold strategy, while the traders are know for the short term market gains and their are active buying and selling and their are always best at using the technical analysis to predict price movements.

Investors are not traders.

They are two different breeds of activities.

If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be a term like "investor".

Well traders can be also called as investors to, the difference is the intention and the length since most of the traders accumulate some crypto for short term purposes only. That's the reason why other people also call them as a gambler because they also adapt the same risk but there's really huge difference on the way how people execute each activities.

But people really tag those long term minded people as investor because we know this is really the best option to do especially if the asset is well known to bring something good to people who have good patience and proven to bring good profits base on its historical movement.

But for sure there well be good transition that going to happen and those traders would choose to HODL Bitcoin and forget about trading it especially if they encounter huge disaster on their trades and lost lots of money with it.

Maybe the ideal words to use to avoid these arguments is to attarch long or short term to the investors. If one is keeping his coins for a very long time he could be referred to as long term investors while others could be short term investors. I assume that many Bitcoiners don't like calling traders investors since they don't have interest in hodling just like most Bitcoiners do.

Anyway, I don't see trades as gamblers because they do thesame job as forex traders. And I don't think people call forex traders gamblers. But they share thesame features with gambling which is high risks.

Traders use metrics and factors to determine what to do. It's not a gamble - it's a calculated risk (at least it should be).

So, yeah. Investors are a different breed to talk about.

Oh Yes! Going by the literal meaning of the term "investor", both trader and holdler can be referred to as investors since they both put in effort and time to make profit.

The argument here is that both of them allocate capital into an asset and aim to generate profits. The distinct part is that investors that trade their coins focused on short term price movements while the investors that hold their assets prioritize long term profits and wealth creation.

By the way, I don't think being an investor has anything to do with the cycle they enter the market.

Yeah, if you invest, you invest no matter the time or cycle - that's why the thing you invest in should be something worth it for such a task.
And we all know what the answer is for it.

Traders and investors are not the same because these has different focus, traders are looking up to short time to make profit in the market while investors their focus is longterm  and the main reason why traders can't be called or seen to be investors is because traders often deal with buying and selling this is why traders will always be traders. Investors are lawyers know known for longterm.

Investors and traders have different targets, but I have seen traders that are also investors too, buying and holding Bitcoin makes you an investor, whether its for the  long term or short term is nobody's business. Traders have short term target and they are making money based on prediction or market price actions, that why we have daily, weekly and monthly traders.

Some people will like to argue on who the real holders are, but I don't care, some people can hold for Max of a year while others can hold for longer, it doesn't matter as we all have different plans, but as per the question that OP asked I believe that Traders can't be called investors until they invest money on Bitcoin or other crypto assets and stored them offline for long term holding.

Many successful traders have managed to be big holders today because they are using the money they made from trading to buy and hold Bitcoin, knowing how to trade can be hard but if you get away with it your life will be easier.

Exactly, It is fairly easy to realize that traders are short-term processes, whereas investors are long-term processes. This is two separate things, you should not combine them. Anything that you want to do and can work for you and make money is great. And individuals lose money in short-term trading since it is not like long-term investing, where you may keep the coin for a long period and make a large profit. It is simply a matter of which one you prefer and are willing to risk your money on. Because everyone is at danger, but trading carries a bigger risk than investing.  However, you can only be profitable if you understand the industry and have the necessary experience.

If you prefer trading that can provide you with short-term profits, you must be prepared to lose money at any time because the market can be forecast to fail or operate well.  However, when investing, you must hold your coins for a lengthy period of time, such as bitcoin, and you will undoubtedly earn if you are patient enough to leave it for a couple of years.  So he just for you to choose the one you like. Op Since you have understood what is trader and investors so you just need to choose wisely and see with one can minimise your risk. And you can do the bought if you are capable and have enough funds to risk in the market.

Investing means we spend money to buy an asset with the hope of making a profit and the goal of investing is profit. Meanwhile, what traders are doing is they are also investing money to buy assets and their aim is also to make profit. So why aren't they called investors? The only difference is that their strategies and plans are not the same .  Traders want short-term profits, while long-term investors are willing to hold for a period of time in the hope of minimizing risk and possibly receiving higher returns. Other than that, I don't see any other difference between them and just because their strategies are different, traders can't be called investors?

What are the rules and  regulations, and who sets them and says a trader is not an investor?

No both can't be seen as investors because investor is someone who invest for long period and hold for long period many says a investor and holders are two things apart and we can say that too, as investor's intentions are to make profit and whenever they achieve that they close the trade to book profit but holders are something else, they hold for long period like 5 years to 10 years.

Traders and investors can be the same thing, but holders and traders are two different things, a investor can be trader and holder, so I hope this would clear the confusion. Speaking of which one is most profitable I think holders and investors are more profitable.

I agree with you betswift, if their was no different between investors and traders they would have not been given a sperate title, investors walks in different direction from how traders think and reason they are all looking for profit but base on different ideas, one is always busy studying looking for the best time to buy and sell the other is busy calculating how many he or she can hold for how long in other to get a certain amount of profit.

The fact that you put your money or invest into something, then technically you already become an investor. No need to point out whether it’s for long term or short term, since both are in hope to gain future profits. So the question whether traders can be called as investors or vice versa is quite nonsense. You can have them both if you can assure proper risk management.

In my opinion I think trading and short term investing are two different things even if they might seem to be similar in how there are practiced.
Trading is the buying and selling of goods, services commodities etc. While investing is the act of putting (money) into financial schemes, shares, property, or a commercial venture with the expectation of achieving a profit. As their definitions imply we can see that investing and trading are totally two different things. Short term investors are birthed from those that have low risk tolerance generally or in a particular asset! While trading is typically buying and selling of a commodity to make profits! That's why it involves more analysis and time to master than actual investing.

Traders and investors certainly have different perspectives. A trader can profit considering from the volatility in the market. Generally, traders aim to make a profit from their investments in a short period of time. Someone can profit by keeping their assets there for a few days or weeks and selling them for a small profit. They cannot be called investors. Investors are not ordinary traders, they make long-term plans by holding an asset. Those who hold an asset for a long time with the idea that the price of an asset will increase in the future are called investors.

The moment you own a fraction of bitcoin or cryptocurrency, you ought to be regarded as an investor regardless of the amount and time duration you a choose to hold it.
With that been said, there are traders and there are holders and there’s where the classification should fall and not investment.
A person can decide to buy and hold bitcoin for as long as possible, while another can decide to be leveraging on the profits over a short period of time, at the end, the target of both parties is to make profit and what they’re both doing is called investing.

You are right because I think investing is just where you leverage your funds to yield profits which of course pegs buyers that holds in a period of time maybe or not long time goal and the one who makes immediate buying and selling orders at any given time which is regarded as the traders.
So as much their money has been leveraged there on the potential profitable bitcoin market, it is assumed they both invested their money for profitable goal.

Yep.

But hodling for 5+ is always the best case if it's possible - nothing wrong with trying to go short term, but it usually would end up in uncertainty, which should be avoided at all costs.

You actually answered your own question there OP. Yes it was those who buy and hold are mainly the investors, however I have heard already that there are traders who can wait too for a while before trading in order for them to not experience a loss or a big loss and then they can also earn a profit by doing this simple trick. That being said, they can be investor too but maybe short-term investor is the precise term for them.

I also like to say this that in general, when a person buy or avail something like a service, etc... and as long as they are pretty useful, that can also be said as an investment, so they can be called as an investor too.

You don't need to buy large amounts of Bitcoin and Hodl for as a long 2-5 anyone can think of before you can then be considered as a Bitcoin investor. The moment someone buys a fraction of Bitcoin, automatically, that person have become a Bitcoin investor so wether you're a daily trader trading Bitcoin or a long-term Bitcoin Holder, you are a Bitcoin investor

I disagree with that because it's not only about buying but it's about the intention behind that purchase. If you are buying Bitcoin today and selling it tomorrow to get a small percentage of profit from it, you are not an investor, but you are a trader; but if you buy Bitcoin today and intend to hold it for some time until its price goes up to a certain point and then you sell, then you are an investor because investors usually aim for long-term profits and gains and don't focus on short-term.

A trader would buy and sell assets within short-term for small amounts of profit and they wouldn't hold them for long because they aren't buying with the intention of holding and that can't be considered investing. If traders would be called investors as well, we wouldn't need a different word for it.

5+ what? If it’s 5 months, depending on what cycle we are in it might not be that profitable. 5+ years do make sense since that will complete both bear and bull cycles. So you can buy during cheap prices and sell during high times. But is it possible to totally leave your coins alone? You might be tempted to sell during some peak times but also to buy again during times of decline in the market.

Traders are just those who hold for a while, waiting for the perfect timing to sell their coins. But it won't take so long. But investors take several months to years holding their coins before they sell them. To the question of whether a trader can be an investor? It will happen if they are not an active trader. It was just the time difference that made someone an investor or a trader. But to generalize the situation. Those who hold long (not just days) are considered investors. I could be wrong to others, but this is my opinion.

traders as you mentioned are the people who buys/sell within short period of time.
they do it rinse and repeat whereas investor are just holding bitcoin hoping in the future price will go up.

I don't think traders can be called investor, maybe when they got stuck with an asset that forces them to hold for long term, then they can be called investor.
but imagine those future traders, they definitely aren't investor since they are just using future contract. they don't even own BTC.

They're involved in the finance system, traders simply focus on short term target and they need to risk careful

Investors are more focused on long term goals they buy and hold for a period of time when it is suitable for them

But the People trading and holding Bitcoin over time so that when the price appropriate they will sell are all investors because an investment is something that you put your money into with the purpose of making profit, business you are doing could view as a product of an investor one thing about investors is that they are people with risk taking mindset as that is what defines an investor

There is no point trying to make trader and investor look somehow. A trader is a trader, and an investor is an investor. The difference is pop and plain, investors buy Bitcoin and HODL for a long period of time and sell for profit . it could be bought in bear season and sold in the bulling, and it could also be bought in-between bull and Bear season and sold at any given time provided it's a long time investment. Which trader in order hands buy and sell Bitcoin to make profit but the traders mindset is to buy instantly and sell instantly without considering the amount of profit made. Both buy and sell for profit but the time frame is what makes the both to be different.

Why are thing getting complicated right now, of course yes? We all know this is subjective but let's not forget that traders can be long term too that fits to the word investor. Even if you're trading assets for a short period of time, you're still investing a certain amount "hoping" or based on your analysis that it'll give you profit. It's not really complicated because we all know that at certain point, trader are investors too and yet here we are making discussion why traders should be called investors too which the answer is very obvious since they're taking risks too and the only difference are just timeframes.

If traders can be called investors, then are investors can be considered as traders too? For me there is a difference between the two.

A trader's mindset focuses on the short term profit. They carefully analyze the market sentiment and predict it's movement in a short amount of time. Most of them studies technical analysis to read the market to become a profitable trader.

While an investor is aiming for long-term profit. Their goal is to accumulate and hold it for many years. You don't need some chart-reading skills here. Knowing DCA strategy is already enough to be a wise investor.

Traders usually scalp the market, whereas investors - they look at it as a chessboard, moving each of the pieces and taking their time to do so.

There's a big gap between investors and traders, Investors only buy one particular coin which is Bitcoin then hold it for a very long period to make profit in the future whereas traders don't rely on one particular coin, they speculate the price of different coins or stock then use help of different market analysis to buy and sell it then stand a chance of making profit in a short period and it's more risky compared to what Investors do.

 An investor goal is to buy and hold Bitcoin for the future and selling it within a time frame that's not 4 years and above is like imitating a trader such person is not a real investor, to make it more understandable just know that investors buy and hold Bitcoin for a longer period while a traders goal is short-term.

Traders look at it from a different perspective - and they usually risk more for that, I agree with you.

Whereas those who have the ability to wait and see Bitcoin grow through years to come would secure their positive results.

In my view, investors and trading two different options, although the two main goals are the same as 'profits' but investors are more directed to investing in the long term, while short -term trade Meaning: You can buy Bitcoin and store 5-10 years to generate certain profits, trading selling and buying in a short time.

CONCLUSION Trade and investors expenditure activities to generate profits, only the way it works is different, the same is the same.

I agree with you, sharing the same agenda won't be the reason why both the investor and trader are called the same.

Generating profits from investment is something to get over time unlike traders who speculate day in day out to make their profits.

We also have short-term investors, but we don't call them traders because they don't make analysis of the market instead, they only have to buy in large portions and wait for the price to increase, traders depend on their tools to make profits.

Investors are those persons that buys and hold Bitcoin for a long-term of 4 years-10 years or more, they focus on buying alone on building their wealth gradually, after which they have reached their holding peak may decide to sell or still continue to accumulate and HODLing if they wish while Traders are those persons that buys Bitcoin for a period of short-term, ranging from minutes to months in other to sell them to make profits, but those profit tends to be smaller compared to that of investment.
Traders feels investing in Bitcoin is more risky than trading, for some persons that have been involved in trading before starting investment knows that investing is more safer and less in terms of risk.
Trading is more risky than investing, and investor are not traders, investors builds up their investment that turns into wealth after a long period of time, traders sell off their wealth immediately.

In my opinion, a trader and holder both can be investor. Even though there is a classification according to the time interval, in reality both will be investors. If a trader invests and does not sell it quickly, especially when he has to go beyond 1 or 2 weeks or a month, can we not call him an investor? I think it would not be wrong to call him an investor in this perspective. On the other invests with the intention of holding it for a short period of time, he can withdraw that investment quickly, so if we consider that aspect, it would not be wrong to consider him only as a trader. Traders are able to withdraw their money from the market quickly. But investors try to keep their investments for a long time and become profitable from that investment.

Traders in Bitcoin cannot be called investors. I think they is a separate definition for both of them as they do not mean the same thing. In my own opinion, an Investor in Bitcoin is a long term holder that consistently buy and accumulate Bitcoin,he  keep stashing enough into his investments portfolio until he reaches his over accumulation status,while Hodling for a long term for at least, a period of 4-10 years. However, a trader in bitcoin only buys Bitcoin  to resell it in a short intervals for profits. They both share something in common and that's is the goal to generate profits. I think traders method of making profits is risky and doesn't guarantee safety of funds when trading as the trader might like lose everything in a spot if things goes wrong.

They can be called as investors although they are not a real investor because they just hold for some certain time. They will sell their Bitcoin once the price rise and buy low and sell it in high price. They will do that over and over so they are a temporary investor because they only hold their Bitcoin when the price still at a low price.

The investors will hold their Bitcoin for a long term. Some of them become investors because they are force holding their Bitcoin. If they sell their Bitcoin at that time, they will only lose and not profit. So that is why they can be considered as an investor because they hold their Bitcoin for a while.

Traders are more focused on trying to make fast profit from the market; they don't want to hold for long. They study the market and move from one pair to the other as long as they can get something attached to their money. Some of them are still regarded as investors since they use their money to trade whatever asset they trade. At the end of the day, they are all targeting to get profit.

 Investors who hold their assets for a longer period or they often call it long-term investment target greater profits, their goal is only to continue to maintain and increase their assets and contribute very well to their crypto assets.

 and someone who trades in a much shorter time they tend to look for profits in small weights, I consider them part of investors, because of course they do it on some other coin objects, someone who invests capital in making crypto purchases of course they are part of investors, but they only look for in the form of trading in other words they do asset turnover faster.

The question is are traders suppose to be called investors too and I say yes depending on the type of trader, there are two types of traders there are short term traders where we see them open and closing there positions with few minutes, hours or even a day, they mostly classified into scalpers  then there are traders who are long term traders with opening and closing of trade positions between days, weeks, months and even upto a year this are swing traders, this swing traders depending on their duration of holding a trade can be in the category of short term investors.

Also there are trades today that the profit they get from trading they simply invest it into most of this coins just like the usual investors also do, so a trade can simply navigate between been a trade and an investor or can be both at same time

Both can't be seen as an investors. You can't be called an investor when all you do is chase quick profit. Let's say for you to be classified as an investor, you have to be like those who sees the potential in a project and decide to put in some of your money in it, having this believe that in years to come that such project will be massive, therefore giving you a bigger reward ratio. While traders are just retailers or scavengers who are not interested in the long term potential of the project, they believe that the project can collapse at any moment, so they always want their money with them before the end of the day or week. They are always playing safe and smart with their capital. They want what they can get immediately. And they mostly end the days or week without having any stash of bitcoin in their possession. Because of this they can't be considered as investors.

Basically, investors and traders have several differences, one of which is the purpose of buying an asset, investors tend to buy to be able to hold it in the long term, the take profit target is also certainly greater.

While traders tend to buy an asset to hold it for a short time, the goal is also different, traders just want to find a relatively fast profit, but this has a higher risk than investors.

Strategies are also different, traders are more directed towards technical analysis, because this is useful for trading in the short term. While investors are more fundametal analysis, looking at the development of the assets purchased, as well as current market conditions, which will continue to change every time.

So, are you trying to say that investors are not also focused on making profits from the market as traders do? The only difference between a trader and an investor is that one takes advantage of short-term market volatility while the other is more interested in long term market volatility, but the truth is that both have same objectives which is to make profits from the market be it in the long run or short run.

Long-term holders are usually called investors, while short-term buyers and sellers are traders. Both invest, but with different goals.

I'm not trying to say investors are not focused on making profit; I can't see where I made such a statement unless you read a different meaning in my write-up. I ended my statement with at the end of the day, they are all targeting to get profit, which includes both investors and traders. The only difference between the two is that one is focused on fast profit while the other is patient for long term.

Just because a trader doesn't hold a certain asset they've bought for a long time doesn't mean that they believe the project can collapse or they don't believe in its long-term potential, but they buy and sell assets in short-term because they are looking for constant profits and they can't wait for long-term to get their profits, and a trader doesn't necessarily have to only be a trader, one can do both trading and make investments as long as they have enough money to do both, but if someone doesn't have enough money but they want quick profits, they will do trading instead of having their money stuck in an investment and then wait for years to get profits.

The difference is in the financial goals and targets. An investor aims to get long-term benefits, and they know that it won't affect them if their money is stuck for years, because the money they use is basically for that purpose. A trader's goal is to get profits every day or every week because they earn and use those profits mostly because a day trader generally uses trading as a source of income, mostly.

An investor is a person who buys bitcoin for the purpose of hodling/keeping for the long term, this is very different from a trader who buys bitcoin and sells it at the slightest profit gained they gain..

Though traders are of different categories while investors are of different categories as well, we have short and long term investors, while we also have short term and day traders.
A short term investors buys bitcoin and hold for a minimum of atleast, six months before deciding to sell, while a long term investor buys and hold their bitcoin for a minimum of one year or more before deciding whether to sell or hold for much longer, this same explanation applies to day traders and short term traders as well.

Most traders depend on the profits of their trading activities for immediate sustenance since it's their source of livelihood, but investors buy and hold and allows profits and capital to keep growing and they target taking profits on a much later time. Investors tends to have other sources of income in order to sustain their consistent and persistent accumulation journey and they still have their whole time to do many other things, but traders are stuck to their trades and most of them depend on their quick profits for survival.

The scalpers can never be called investors because they hardly hold their coins, but swingers can manageably be referred to as short-term investors, but their profits in bitcoin can never be measurable with that of long-term holders.

Investors and a trader have the same interest and that's nothing but profit. Investors can buy Bitcoin for long term and can also buy with the purpose of holding for short term. Similarly, traders can open a position for long term depending on where they are looking to take profit and also hold for short term most especially day traders that don't waste time in holding an asset, I think it's OK to say all traders are investors because they push money to growth of project.

Most often, it's the traders that make coins to go up, that's when you see volume spoke up, that's when you see the price go up continuesly until there's nothing bullish about the coin again and that's when some investors take their profit from the market, that's when some traders even become trap. There are some people that open position with the purpose of selling quick but along the line get hook up on their trade and are force to become a holder until they make back there money.

Yes, they buy and sell bitcoin and they also save their bitcoins for longer periods so they can still be called investors too

Trading is a job, and investing is a lifestyle. A trader has to analyze charts almost every day, monitor the market, follow the news and much, much more. Open and close trades, suffer losses, make a profit, a lot of work, a trader is very active. For investors, everything is much simpler, take the example of an investor who buys bitcoin, he can buy bitcoin only for a certain period, once a month, or even buy it once and that's it, he just waits for his goal, the exit point. He can wait a year, two, three, the entire bearish cycle, and all this time he does not need to analyze charts, open trades and do everything that a trader does, so the differences between them are huge.

Yes, they have many differences but at the end of the day, they all have the same goal and whether it is short term or long term, they all aim for profit. Meanwhile, investment means using money to invest in fields, assets...to create and earn profits. So I tend to agree that traders can also be called investors although there will be differences in strategies, plans, goals if analyzed further.

As an investor or trader, it really doesn't matter and there is no need to argue about it. Because the main goal of investing is profit and we put money into the market to make more money, not just to become or need people to recognize us as investors or traders.

In my opinion, there is a big difference between traders and investors. They are two different types. Traders are those who follow their market and sell when they make a limited profit. Investors are those who invest and are patient and long-term, hoping for high profits that will do them good later. They make their investments for the long term.

Traders are known for whom they were and can also be called an investor simply because they are also investing in a currency to sell on a short time basis, that they often exchange  coins from one to another does not mean they aren't traders, they are investors as well because they use their money to trade a particular currency base on its performance, while the so called investors are long term holders of a particular currency.

The main thing is how and why they do things - we all invest to get results, no matter the time frames we look at.

Thing is, investors use fundamentals, whereas traders - analysis and more facts to throw in to understand when to go in and out.