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Betpanda.io is a confirmed scam. Their main angle is stealing your deposits, and when you ask for them back, the customer service will say that you broke their "policies" while not even elaborating on which policies you broke (as if breaking policy entitles them to your deposits to begin with).

Betpanda prides and markets itself on being anonymous, yet repeatedly accuses it's own users of making secondary accounts (go figure on that one), and then cites the creation of a second account as a reason to steal your deposit. how do you as a user prove that you didn't make a second account on an anonymous exchange? you can't.

How does betpanda know the same user is making an account on their platform if it's an anonymous casino? Answer: it doesn't matter, because they're going to take your money whether it's an anonymous exchange or not.

They take weeks to reply to users and usually just end up asking for KYC if you do end up getting in contact with them. So much for anonymity...

Here is the list of bitcointalk users that I can find that are currently paid to shill for this scam and may even own the scam themselves:

1. logfiles
2. Ultegra134
3. Wiwo
4. memehunter
5. Reynaldo
6. _BlackStar
7. khaled0111
8. DYING_S0UL
9. BitMaxz
10. Despairo
11. nutildah

(they like to claim they don't support betpanda but clearly have an incentive to. they must be held accountable for what they are advertising)

here is a list of threads people have made about being scammed over the years by betpanda:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5549226.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5541685.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5537696.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5548753.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5526543.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5541706.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5538597.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5532461.0

users outside of bitcointalk have also been scammed, you can read about it here:
https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/reviews/betpanda-io-casino
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/betpanda.io

stay safe guys

Indeed it is a scam operation.

Coming up with their bs terms and conditions and their service provider related ''suspicious'' betting activity inorder to block your account and confiscate even your initial deposit is a blatant scam.

They don't even care being labeled as a scam website as they provide ''0'' evidence on their decisions of blocking people and confiscating funds.

I hope this topic comes up more frequent on google so no one deposits even 1 cent to that scam centre.

Well I can only speak for myself and in around 6 months or so I always got my money, while being in profit and not in loss, so there is that. And I also used the sports book, aside from the casino.
Obviously it's bad to encounter a problem, I have been there myself on other sites. Especially when the odds provider is involved and the site just follows their lead it's super annoying.

Blaming some accounts in this forum to promote a site is nonsense on the other hand.

OP is mad that logfiles pointed out inconsistencies about his project over 5 years ago, LOL.


Then he came back to bump the thread after 5 years and this happened:


I'm not sure if the malware detections are legit or false positives but I wouldn't run this software. OP started concentrating his attacks on logfiles rather than explain the situation in a calm and rational manner, which means it most likely is malware:


So yeah, this is a personal grudge and doesn't really have anything to do with BetPanda.

yep



it's a selective scam. they give you the smaller wins so they can fleece you later for the bigger transactions later


logfiles called the open source project i was following a scam so i looked into the closed source casino he was being paid to shill and it brought me to this nightmare casino that people have been being fleeced from for awhile now. is that a crime? no

amazing how the guy being paid to promote a gambling site has a problem with holding people accountable LOL


of course the detections are false positives. why on earth would it be open source if it were malware?

here's a better question: is the casino you're paid to shill open source? maybe i should look into betfury next

Bro that was over 5 years ago! And he had good reason, what with the website using fake team images & the sketchy virustotal results.


Is logfiles "shilling" the casino? No. Is he advertising it in his signature space? Yes. Is it weird to ask yourself questions that nobody else was going to ask? Yes.


Given that MarkM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195815.msg65458444#msg65458444) has used the software and likes the project, my confidence in it has been a bit restored.


Of course casinos aren't "open source". They are websites. Sometimes the games inside them are open source, or "provably fair" as is more often said, but at the end of the day faith is required that the games operate as advertised and the casino pays out what they're supposed to.


Stop talking about it and do it.

advertising in my eyes is a commercial for laundry detergent or something. it becomes shilling when you strip your social media of any profile picture or identity and replace it with a shady casino designed to feed into people's addictions and ruin peoples lives. it makes sense you have a problem with me calling it shilling because you're guilty of the same thing lol

at least youre smarter than logfiles and can do a bit of research before calling something a scam. let me reframe the question about betfury:
are the games on betfury open source? if the answer is no, why aren't they? how much are you being paid to shill them? it will help with the thread i possibly make

So you are questioning the anonymous feature of the casino on why they bust multiple account when cheating?

Betpanda has license to operate which means they can ask KYC anytime despite its not a mandatory requirements. In addition, they can detect similar IP and device login to determine multiple account especially if both account showing similar activity.

so then it isn't anonymous and they should stop shilling as such.

can we get someone here who is NOT a casino shill btw because this is exhausting

I don't really care about your personal definitions of "advertisement" and "shilling," and neither does anybody else. Not everybody who gambles is an addict, just like not everybody who drinks is an alcoholic. Both casinos are no more "shady" than your project.

Obviously you've never played at an online casino, and that's fine, but I'm not going to explain how they work to you as I have better things to do. Its clear you made this thread to exact some kind of revenge on logfiles and couldn't care less about the casino. Its a lame maneuver which I've seen scammers pull dozens or even hundreds of times over the last 11 years and it just makes your project look more like a scam than it might actually be.

I'm thoroughly bored now so I'm going to bow out of this discussion.

then why should i care about your definition of the word shilling? nice dodge btw

also the casinos are 100% more shady than "my" project (it's not even mine). the project is open source and improves the bitcoin ecosystem. your project pays you to shill and ruin peoples lives and their games arent open source

Point out to me where is the part on my post that I shill a casino?

I just stating a counter fact against your scam accusation on how casino detect multiple account.

If you visit the earlier page of their ANN thread, You will notice that many user already pointed out to them that they are not anonymous casino. They are just using that description for marketing purposes.

You should check always casino ToS because that's always govern.

your entire ACCOUNT shills a casino.

and thank you for agreeing that the marketing is dishonest

Sooo basically, someone from BetPanda called out your shady service and now you're coming up with names that as you claim "own" the casino, for a personal spite? The terms of service clearly mention that you are not allowed to use multiple accounts, yet, it's extremely likely that you did just that and got caught for it. It's also mentioned in their TOS that they may ask for KYC at any time, which is sensible because they're a licensed casino, you can get away with no-KYC, since it's not mandatory at signup, but you may be subject to it in the future.

what does that say in your signature, betpanda shill? 'anonymous'? hmmm that's weird for a KYC casino.

it's extremely likely i made a second account? lolol i don't even have any account but go ahead and wax poetic for your gambling masters

The funny thing with this scam casino is that they ask KYC AFTER they ban people.
So let's use some logic here. If they say we broke broke ToS, and banned us for it, why are they asking for documents? If they say they are already sure we broke it, banning should be enough. But no, they want documents as well. I've never seen practices like this anywhere else. This was one of the points i've raised in my scam accusation thread, that nobody was able to come up with a reason, so will ask it here.

This is a police case if i've ever seen one, and should be investigated. I suspect this site is not just a scam. It goes deeper than a scam.

bitcointalk mods allow casino shills to swarm the site so even if these concerns got answered it wouldnt matter because there would just be another scam casino to replace it.

the only thing anonymous about betpanda is their own team lolol

updated, new users advertisting betscamda:


6. _BlackStar
7. khaled0111
8. DYING_S0UL

9. BitMaxz

Finally people seem to be realizing that the biggest scammers on this community are betpanda.io and nearly all the rest casinos that support the BetBy scam odds provider ,after bettors from all categories (value bettors , sharps and  just straight up gamblers) reported them nearly 50times each with their own case and proofs ,for the past 5-6 months.

Happy to see more people calling them out and known members of this forum stop taking their side when they try to justify not giving payouts and blocking accounts.

Good day to all!

I get your point. However i still can't figure out the purposes of this thread. If it's about Betpanda being a scam, then better provide evidences and proofs in a clear format as detailed in the sticked topics in top of the board. Or if it's about users promoting Betpanda, then yhe topic should be posted in Reputation sub-board.
All what i can understand is that Op has a unsolved dispute with Betpanda, so he tries to attack users participating in the signature campaign.

Judging by the OP's post history, it seems like his issue has nothing to do with betpanda but with logfiles specifically, as pointed out by nutildah based on the OP's post history. In short, the whole shtick about this thread is just a retaliatory smearing because of what logfiles commented about OP's project.

I can conclude this as well. However this is not the apropriate way to address someone reputation especially a veteran trusted forum member. So to attack logfile he drag others into a mess; I mean Betpanda brand and some other forum users who participated in Betpanda sig campaign. I can't understand why he uses this way to do so, as it seems no one really interested addressing such issues in a childish manner.

He wanted to stain Logfile's reputation, so he found a way to do it, and he thought using scam accusations against betpanda is the best way to do it, since logfile wears betpanda's signature banner, he couldn't care less who he drags into it as long as his target is in it. To be honest, it's kind of sad how desperate he is.

I guess the purposes of this is very obvious, a smear campaign on Betpanda and it's signature campaign participants because someone has a grudge against one of them. Nevertheless, for those who have been in this community for many years, we have seen this kind of attacks and so we should be educated enough not to fall for this kind of trick. And even if he raises this to Reputation board, it will not garnered enough attention. But the OP has his rights as this community is very open to anyone to accused a casino but if it has no weight in it, then it this allegation will just die a natural death here.

yes logfiles smeared an open source project i am interested in which led to me discovering that he himself is guilty of promoting a scam. i'm not a victim of betpanda myself but that's how i discovered what was going on. it just sounds like you guys have an issue with taking accountability since you yourselves are paid to shill for casinos that may or may not be just as scammy so you take his side over the victims

bump

new shill discovered:

10. PX-Z

i am colleting betpanda shills like pokemon. it is a betpanda pokedex. haha

Over half your posts are now trolling BetPanda and logfiles.

This just makes your project look like a scam (even if its not), and like you are losing your sanity.

Its very childish behavior which will not help the Haircomb project at all. You should concentrate on

1) Countering the allegations in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252297.0).
2) Promoting Haircomb in its own thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195815.0).

You're a pretty ignorant collector if you are in fact collecting names of people wearing the BetPanda signature. I mean, there's a whole spreadsheet with 21 names on it, there's a manager handling the campaign, and I'm pretty sure that none of these people care if you are discovering them.

If the service starts showing legitimate scam issues the manager will likely end the campaign and the promotion on this forum will be over.

FYI you may as well just go through this section and collect your names for every scam accusation out there. Not sure what you are thinking you'll accomplish, but have fun with your list.

ive already countered the allegations. everything alleged in that thread is bullshit besides the stock photo thing which shouldnt even make a difference. i've already shown that it's open source and not a virus. nobody listens and the damage has been done over the past 5 years anyway. this fuckin forum only exists in it's current state for gamblers and shills for gambling anyway...all publicity is good publicity

i prefer to do things the old fashioned way, discovering the betpanda shills as i go along...no fun in it otherwise

the service will likely end the campaign on the forum? don't threaten me with a good time ;)

Useless thread, seriously. Blaming people for wearing a signature is utter nonsense. If you had the possibility of earning some money on the side, just wearing some signature, you would also do it.

And by the way, you can reply to several people within 1 single reply, you can add quotes while writing the reply. The way you post, back to back with in some minutes, is against forum rules. Just sayin....

casino shill = opinion discarded

It's actually perfectly valid criticism. Bitcointalk didn't start with people selling out their avatar and signature space for a few bucks. You essentially sold your soul; you just did the internet equivalent of that. Pretty bold of you to assume everyone would follow in your footsteps. :)

If BetPanda has scammed people, it's worth calling out users who are getting paid by it and properly disregard their opinion, isn't it? At least OP has opened a dialogue. It doesn't sound like a site on which I would want to gamble.

Thank you.

Side note: Logfiles is getting the jannies to delete my posts now

Its not even criticism; its just a disgruntled child throwing a temper tantrum. I've seen it a hundred times on this forum. Somebody gets sad because their bags have been attacked, so they set about attacking the attacker as a form blind revenge, which ultimately helps them in zero ways. How sad do you have to be as a human to derive joy from engaging in this behavior. Its petty & stupid.


Guess you aren't familiar with the concept of "advertising." Its what companies do to get exposure for their products and services.


Nope, that's me reporting your posts.

OP, i would recommend you to stop creating multiple posts in a row since it violate forum rule.

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Are you talking about this GitHub repository https://github.com/natasha-otomoski/haircomb (https://github.com/natasha-otomoski/haircomb)? AFAIK it doesn't meet criteria of open source since,
1. I unable to see any source code. I'm not talking about executable binary file.
2. I unable to find any attached open source license or any kind of license. According to https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/ (https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/), it means exclusive copyright rather than open source.

Please correct me if i mentioned wrong repository.

No actually it just seems like you aren't familiar with the concept of shilling. Big difference between 'advertising' and 'shilling'. Big difference between 'company' and 'scam'.


Soyboy LOL

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https://bitbucket.org/watashi564/combdownloader/src/master/

🚨 NEW BETPANDA SHILL EVERYONE!! 🚨

11. nutildah

I hope you stop pointing fingers at the members who have this casino’s signature.. If you have an issue with Betpanda ,you should contact their customer support so they can help you. If they don’t respond, you can escalate the complaint through other platforms.

The promoters here are not responsible for your personal experience with the casino. They are not partners in it, they are simply doing their job and getting paid for advertising. Whether you decide to play or not is entirely your own choice you have to understand that.,, and any problems you face remain between you and the casino.

He doesn't actually have a problem with BetPanda, he has a problem with something a BetPanda sig campaign participant said five years ago about the project OP came here to promote. It made him sad so now he's exacting revenge by shitting on BetPanda. I can't imagine being so petty and out of touch with reality that this type of behavior makes any sense whatsoever. OP must be an emotionally underdeveloped teenager is my best guess.

I think you're not updated.
I'm not even checking the betpanda signature campaign spreadsheet, but as an active poster here on bitcointalk I know and I see lot of users wearing the betpanda.io signature and one of them is even forum moderator.

Not trying to be ass kissing the casino but do you think bitcointalk forum moderator would promote/shill a scam casino?

I don't have a personal experience with the casino. But other people have been scammed out of thousands of dollars of deposits that they didn't even get to use at the casino. Many of these users shilling the site are complicit in the scam and less people would be scammed if the signatures disappeared.


One of your BetPanda ButtBuddies named logfiles accused an open source project I am interested in of being a scam so I took a look into some of the shilling that he's been doing and it turns out he's been promoting something a ton of users have had problems with. Not to mention the fact the signature itself is false advertising - the casino is NOT anonymous at all and it will often withhold funds if you do not comply with KYC.

You're guilty of it too, nutella or whatever the fuck your name is.


Yeah. I do. I really do.   ;D

wow, just realized the Nutella man used to be promoting BetFury before turning coat on them for 30 shekels of silver. It takes a special kind of person to be promoting one casino, go into a thread accusing a separate casino of being a scam, and then AFTER reading about all the scammy qualities decides to ditch Betfury and join BetScamda instead. Bravo Nutella.