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I wonder if we are all trapped in the same game. We want more help from our governments, but we do not want to pay higher taxes. We want good schools, healthcare, safe streets, but also lower bills. I am just as guilty. I like cheap services and extra support too. Who doesn't?

But after reading more about the global economy as a new hobby of mine, I see a problem. The richest countries are spending and borrowing like never before, even when things are calm. For example, countries like the US, UK, Japan, they all owe more than their entire yearly income (Japan owes double!). But nobody seems to care much. We keep getting tax breaks, handouts, help from the government. Governments keep borrowing money to make us happy. It feels good, but deep down, I know it is not free. And interest payments alone are as big as military budgets

Half of all this debt comes due soon, in just a few years. If interest rates go up more, there is no easy way out. The system works only if people trust it. If that trust breaks (through a political fight or money crisis, ANYTHING) everything can change overnight

People just want more services, but not higher taxes or less help. Politicians promise both, and then just borrow more. In my own life, I benefit from this too: cheaper healthcare, more support, but I know someone will pay for this later. Maybe our children

Is it fair to leave this bill to our kids, just so we can have comfort now? I do not have a perfect answer

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Apart from tax payers money is there no other ways government generate revenue? My country is rich in mineral resources which is basically enough to hand most of the government budgets of every year without tax payers money.

So I ask do we still need to pay more tax to get what the people deserve? it might be very different in every one's country but yet for a country like the US with about 37T trillion in debt and still find a way to sponsor wars in other countries wouldn't that be budget to satisfy the desires of the tax payers than take more debts and make them pay more just to use it to sponsor criminal groups like Isis, bokoharam of Nigeria and other internal was of different countries through the so called IMF funds?

If we make a rational thought about tax payers money and how it is controlled it's nothing more than a device to keep the poor being poor, because obviously that's what the debts are meant to do, as long as you earn bigger you pay bigger making you remain in the same cycle so I do not agree that the people want more but don't want to pay more because indirectly we already pay more than we request of the government!

The debts would keep growing until the global financial system collapses. This is inevitable. The global economy is addicted to debt. The governments are addicted to debt. If suddenly all governments start increasing taxes, cutting government spending and achieving budget surplus, the nations would become very unhappy and this might lead to social tensions. The global GDP might also shrink.
There's still room for growing even bigger debts. The US dollar would also get devalued because of the tremendous debts. This means that paying off debts with a less valuable currency would be easier, but the problem remains.

Most of us are victims to this well known phenomenon.

Gamblers, traders, business owners, white/blue collar workers, housewives…

We all share one thing in common:

We all want something for nothing.

It is not just greed. Greed can be kept under control. This, this cannot.

Everybody wants to live like a king and pay nothing but the resources are limited. Somebody has to pay for it. Poor wageslaves do. How sad.  :-[

To change this entire system, we must first change our own attitude. If we do not change our attitude, no change in the system is possible. If we do not support the government, how can the government help us? The source of government income is the common people. The common people are not interested in paying more taxes and want more opportunities. To fulfill such demands, the government has no choice but to lend money (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-national-debt) from another country.

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The governments of the country are also busy providing benefits to the voters. They do not consider borrowing a burden. They think that the country will continue to run like this. They do not consider it a problem. That is why some countries are collecting a large part of their budget through borrowing.

Even if such a situation does not have an effect in the short term, it will create problems in the long term. If a loan is taken, that loan must be repaid. Therefore, it should not be considered normal. Governments can run the country by presenting their real situation to the public without doing politics of getting votes and if they are able to do it through their own income then that country will definitely move forward. Those who depend on loans will definitely be at risk. Their economy can collapse at any time.

What you should ask yourself is that, are things getting better even with the debt that your country is taking in order to keep the country going. Even if all the citizens pay high tax, will inflation stop. If it wouldn't, but keep on increasing overtime, there is no need to pay higher tax because when inflation hits, you will barely survive with your monthly income. The whole system is fucked up with printing more money and mismanagement of public funds.

Yes buuuuut the service provider need to reasonable.
Why does the state needs 100 000 Administrators, in times where digital could really work, look and compare with the Baltic.
They have a neatly set up systems and it works.

This is a very important question that you asked because with the way and manner that government all over the world borrows especially from the African continent it gives me cause for concern because we should not forget that what ever action that we are taking has consequences some of these loans we are taking it will take our second generation to pay so governments all over the world should come up with plans on how to reduce the way that they owe because politics is one thing that is not giving attention to how the next generation will handle it what politicians are concerned about is they can get to office, we are leaving a great border for our children to come which is not a good thing to do through loans that the current generation is taking

It’s different here in our country; we’re overtaxed, yet the government fails to provide decent service. Part of our taxes end up in the pockets of our politicians, and there are no checks and balances or accountability.

Our people have been burdened by numerous taxes, mainly due to our internal and external debt, and these taxes have been imposed on almost everything. This is the sad reality of living in a third-world country: you are paying a lot of taxes, and yet you lack better services from the government.

If every government in this world is in debt, then it brings me a question that who hands out money to them?

And governments too focus on satisfying the people in the short term because there will be a next election so they just prepare themselves to get elected again while ignoring the root causes. And there is no escape from the debt too because of the money system that just lose value over the period so even if we pay more the debt will just keep increasing more.

One must take a brave step that I am going to focus on the betterment of people in the next few decades, even if the people who are under the rule will hate those policies.

I never understood why people have kids tbh, it's lifetime of maintenance and subjecting kids to life's randomness (maybe reading Schopenhaur has given me this mindset — but I did find his reasoning logical).

I don't understand what you are talking about, you want me to pity the government and give them all of the money i earn. The government gets revenue from different sources. My country is rich in natural resources, but the government prefers to embezzle revenue from these sources and to use it for their own benefit. Rather than cut down expenditure on government officials, they rather cut down spending on public infrastructure and impoverish the people.

That said, i don't know where you live, but where i live, the government wants everything for themselves, whilst they give nothing back to the ordinary people.

Aside from tax government makes money from tourism, investment, trades government owned company and so much more, but in developing countries government makes good sum of money through tax.

A country that has so much opportunities for their occupants and has a functional ecosystem feels the occupants owe them a huge gratitude and this gratitude are collected through tax, but this tax can be so ridiculous that at the end of the day the occupants have nothing much saved up.

This is only true if you take absolute numbers.

Debt rates in comparison to the countries' GDP (in real terms, not nominal terms) are stagnating or sinking in most cases. Most of the recent increase of spending/borrowing can be explained by COVID, and since then the debt rates as percentage of GDP have lowered.

Some examples (2020/2021 to 2024):

- Euro Area: 97% to 87%
- Japan: 225% to 216%
- US: 130% to 125%
- Brazil: 85% to 76%
- India: 58% to 56%

The most significant outlier is China where public debt grew, but on a very low level (20% to 26%).

(Sources: Statista (http://www.statista.com/statistics/1378708/government-debt-eu-government-debt-eurozone/) and Ceicdata (https://www.ceicdata.com/en).)

I don't say that the current debt level is healthy. I'd always opt for a small but gradual debt decrease policy in "good times". But Japan shows you can live highly indebted for decades. So I don't see any collapse in the near future. It's something Bitcoiners seem to like to overdramatize to promote BTC to "fix it" (even Satoshi in some ways did that in his famous on-chain message). But I think Bitcoin doesn't need a financial collapse to thrive, it can thrive even if fiat is doing well for decades more.

It is not designed to keep the poor poor.

It is designed to protect the rich and keep the rich rich.


The rich know that limiting the amount of people in the rich club helps the rich stay rich.

To the rich the poor are toilet paper use them and flush them down the drain when you are done with them.

From my point of view seems we are still saying same thing here, because what is meant to keep the rich rich is equally meant to keep the poor poor. I might also view it from a different perspective maybe that's where you are looking at as the chance of the poor getting rich still exist but the protection that taxes provide for the rich is to keep them rich and never to go down the ladders of wealth!

I also agree that the rich club has to be small for the power to be in there hands because if everyone is given the opportunity to be rich no one will be able to control or rule over the other hence a device like dividing our income to pay them is the major way to escape the poor.

It's one thing for a country to have so much debt but has also leveraged that same debt for greater productivity and better services, and quite another for a country to be buried in debt but squandered the money on pointless expenses. The former is Japan. The latter is my tiny country.

Japan is one of the world's largest economies--within the top 5--with a high standard of living. My country is poor with low standard of living. Japan has efficient public services. Bridges seldom collapse but when they do, they're quickly restored to a sturdy condition that would last for decades.

Here in mine, a newly-built bridge may collapse anytime. It takes several years to build it only to see it crumble after weeks or months. The restoration will be done for several years. It will again be serviceable for weeks. Proceeds from loans and grants are either stolen by the country's officials or spent on unsustainable and hollow programs and projects like direct dole-outs and subsidies.

Who likes to pay when there's nothing in return?

Who wouldn't want to live an easy life without having it be the cost of an arm and a leg? It is not surprising. But the issue is having to pay taxes but not seeing good things come from it. For example, in my country. We are a third world country. Politicians are accused of stealing and not paying taxes. Healthcare is expensive. Not enough free education. Infrastructure is inefficient. And yet. People still need to pay taxes.

I wouldn't mind having to pay huge amounts of money in taxes if I am living good. A lot of people do not want to pay taxes because they do not have anything to pay it for. They can barely survive. I just think it is not proportionate to increase taxes without improving the state of your country.

About government revenue: it is not just taxes. Some countries really do have natural resources or state-owned companies that bring in a lot of money. But, even in those places, I often see two things happen:
- The money from resources (oil, minerals, etc.) often does not reach everyday people the way it should. It gets lost to corruption or just mismanaged
- When those prices fall or demand drops, suddenly the budget hole is back and then everyone talks about taxes again

About the US and huge debts, yeah, we have to wonder how a country can have $37 trillion in debt and still spend billions outside its own borders, whether it is wars, aid, or other projects. Why is there “never enough” for people at home, but always money for things far away? You are not the only one frustrated by this. And the way big global organizations (IMF, whatever) move money around can make regular people everywhere feel powerless

I also agree that the way taxes and debt are managed often keeps regular folks in a cycle: paying more, getting less, always a step behind. The rich find ways around the system, while the poor and middle class pick up the slack. I do not think that is fair

Where I might see it a bit different: I still notice, in most countries, that when a service gets cut or taxes go up, there is always public anger. People might already feel overtaxed, but nobody wants to lose what they have, either. It is a tough, lose-lose cycle. I feel like governments use this confusion to make everything extra complicated so that nobody knows who's really to blame



The addiction is real. All that is left for growth is just more debt on top of old debt. It is even political suicide to discuss paying it off or reducing spending. Governments know that people do not want sacrifice, they want comfort. I understand your point that the system will only stop when it fails completely. There is always someone saying, "just print and borrow more, the party is not over yet". And perhaps they are right at the moment. There is still some room left, especially for the US, as the dollar remains the main currency in the world. That exorbitant privilege allows them to play this game longer than anyone

But at the same time, doesn't that make the ending riskier? The longer you push your luck, the bigger the mess when it all snaps. I cannot help thinking the next crisis will feel different from 2008 or COVID. Maybe more sudden, less fixable

It works until people lose faith in the dollar itself. If that happens, it is not just the US that has a problem, but everyone who’s been using dollars as their safe bet. That is a global reset nobody really wants



EVERYONE (AND MYSELF INCLUDED) is trying to win some version of “the lottery of life” without paying the price. And it is not just greed. Even the most humble person, deep down, wishes for more than they put in. I look around and see the same pattern everywhere. Doesn't matter if you are a trader, a teacher, or just hustling to make rent. Most of us, at some point, hope for an easy break or a shortcut. It is human. But when everyone does it, and the system encourages it, the whole thing gets unsustainable

Somewhere along the line, we went from “work hard, maybe get ahead” to “why don't I have what they have?” And there is always someone to blame: government, billionaires, the system, whatever. But like you said, somebody always ends up holding the bag, and it is usually the people with the least power to say no. It is really sad, realizing how easy it is to just drift along, hoping things will change while knowing deep down that nothing is free and someone pays in the end. Maybe what scares me most is how easy it is to become numb to it all. Just accept that is how it is

Reading your post sounded like you were talking about my country, i am from Nigeria by the way and most of what you said is also the situation in my country. Nigeria is blessed with natural resources, but where does all the government revenue go to? It is spent on paying politicians all sorts of allowances and paying for their luxury, you would be amazed at how much legislators earn in my country when you compare it to the minimum wage.

That said, i don't have a problem with paying my taxes, but i will feel a lot better if they were used to improve the standard of living to an acceptable level.

Global debt is record $323 Trillion. Big banks and loan institutions including currency whales make this a bigger problem.

If money is spent on useful projects, like building infrastructure that moves people and goods around (highways, railways, bridges, etc.) then it can actually improve the efficiency of the country, so may be worth it in the long run as long as good estimates are made on the return over a long time. When money is spent on bloated public services or an attempt to buy goodwill off the public before an important election, instead of taking hard decisions like raising tax which can be necessary but are hated by the population, then it is wasteful debt. Inflation will gradually inflate away a portion of the debt if done over a long time, so it can actually be a wise investment if structured correctly.

We already pay too expensive taxes to receive services which aren't proportional to the costs in counterpart. To raise taxes doesn't mean better services, but more spendings from governments on public agents' wages and benefits (executive, legislative and judiciary).

I don't want good schools and healthcare from government, but only security. Regards the another aspects, I want to have enough money to afford it myself, having freedom to choose what school I want to attend to and what healthcare service I want to hire.

At same time, of course I want lower bills, because it gives me more autonomy to destiny my money to where I consider to be important and useful. I don't want a government doing it for myself.

I don't think wanting things for free is the problem; the problem is that the government use these taxpayers' money for unnecessary things. When you come from a third world country where the government use taxpayers' money to buy private properties like yachts, exotic cars, private jets, luxurious houses I different cities, it becomes very difficult for you to be cooperative in paying taxes, even though you don't have a choice. You'll see government officials use that money for everything else aside from making the country and the lives of people in the country better.

Politicians and other government officials share the money amongst themselves while the schools, hospitals, transport, security and employment rate are in very bad shape. Things like this don't encourage people to pay more taxes.
It's worst in third-world countries where corruption is the order of the day. In countries like that, you'll find out that the government can't provide basic amenities like electricity, drinking water, proper security, or good transportation. Nobody will be happy to pay taxes under these kinds of conditions.

Actually many can relate with that. But as for the resources, I think yeah that Nigeria can excel over the others. It is not surprising anymore on why they are still poor but if only their governments are on their right minds, they can easily surpass some countries.

Politicians should not be given by a good salary if they are not doing their jobs well but this is also the reason on why they can kill only to get on their positions. About minimum wage, I think the employer are still free to increase it if they really wanted to but the problem is that many of them are also stingy. They are close to those kind of governments we are talking about earlier.

Your reply hits me hard in a good way. I agree, change always starts with attitude: how we see ourselves, our responsibilities, and the system we are a part of. If people just expect more but never want to give, or always blame someone else, then nothing will move forward, no matter who is in charge. If people refuse to face tough truths, leaders just end up borrowing more to keep everyone happy for the next election. That is what I am seeing too, not only in my country but in many others

Governments should stop playing vote games and just tell it straight. If we all know the real numbers, maybe we would be more willing to work together for real solutions, instead of always pushing the problem to "later" or "someone else". Still, I notice a big challenge: even if attitudes change, a lot of people feel powerless, like their single voice or vote does not matter. Maybe that is why there is so much apathy and just hoping "the system" will fix itself. Personally, I started learning about crypto because I wanted at least some control over my future, even if it is small

But you are right. If we all only think about ourselves, the cycle of debt and borrowing never ends, and at some point, it will catch up. I hope more people realize this before the long-term risks become a crisis



The majority of politicians are interested in immediate victories, not in long-term health. It is a game to promise more and borrow more in almost every election, and to pretend that the next generation will simply figure it out. I do not only see this in Africa. However, in areas where citizens are already suffering, such debts are a bigger burden. The world we are leaving our children will be harder, not easier, than the one we have. Debt is not a figure on paper. It is less opportunity, more pressure, and sometimes less freedom for them

I wish there was more honesty from leaders with less talk about "growth at any cost" and more about how to live within our means, or at least spend on things that really build for the future (like schools, clean water, strong hospitals). But nobody in power wants to have that hard conversation. It is easier to leave the problem for later

I do believe people are waking up, though. I see more young people asking questions, demanding more transparency, and looking for alternatives. That gives me a bit of hope. But until politics changes, maybe we also need to change how we save, invest, and vote so we are not just bystanders in this cycle



It is a mix: other governments, large banks, pension funds, even common people in the form of bonds. Much of the time it is simply borrowing against the future, hoping that the economy will be larger in the future than it is now. Every government is stuck in a four-year loop by promising quick fixes so people will vote for them, instead of facing the real, long-term issues. I get why it happens. We are mostly concerned with what is in front of us: work, bills, everyday stress. But when leaders always take the easy road, the deeper problems just pile up for the next generation

And yes, this money system means your savings buy less every year, while the debt keeps getting bigger, no matter how much we all pay in. The entire system is structured in such a way that it keeps individuals distracted and occupied, thus no one ever has the strength to insist on actual change

Well this was one of the reasons why Elon and Trump had that big fight. Elon started DOGE and worked for months trying to reduce the debt by a few billion but with Trumps spending bill, his Doge savings hardly would put a dent into the overall debt. This debt is a huge problem and it seems Elon is the only one that is trying to do something about it.

Excessive spending is just getting out of control, and this will keep spirling out until there is some massive crash. This is basically like paying a credit card with another credit card, however with a credit card there is a limit. With the US Government there is no limit and they can also print money. So basically fooling the system. But eventually how will this debt get paid off?

Ofcourse, people need to give more to their country than they take, and it should be good quality and very useful things they are giving. They will gain alot and the debt burden lessened by giving this way...Giving the wrong things is as bad as not giving atall, so they should be conscious of the kind of things they give. I think this is what the current US administration is trying to solve to make its economy more profitable and sustainable, but alot of people don't seem to understand. Some are more concerned about self than the collective or country first, which can add more to the issues.

Beside, supporting bad and unprofitable things is the major reasons countries are in debt. USA for example is funding an unjust and unprofitable war in Ukraine, just to support her ally and interest. But injustice or evil things like that are unprofitable and more expensive to support, and you end up losing, no matter the amount of money you pour in. Even if you gain something it becomes a problem because the source is evil.
Seems the current USA administration is aware of this, and is trying to stop the war the right way, or push the burden on those who prefer things to be the way they are, and it is even trying to recover what it spent via the mineral deals and other means.

I think doing things right, like the current US admin is trying to do can improve things alot.

Most of this debt is private debt. Is a high level of private debt really a "problem"? Most of it is corporate debt, and corporations mostly take debt when they invest, and that's normally a good thing because they build up infrastructure. (Well, there are people like Saylor too, who take debt to buy BTC. Is this "good" or "bad"?)

And again, it's important to see always the relation of debt to GDP. Because it's healthy that when GDP grows, corporations and governments invest more.

Debt to GDP ratio, if public and private debt is aggregated together, peaked in 2020 with 257% of the world GDP. In 2023, it had already returned to 237%. It's still high, but not record high. Probably in real terms it's even lower, due to 2022-23's inflation in many countries.

Source: IMF (https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GDD/2024%20Global%20Debt%20Monitor.pdf). Latest full report went only to 2023, and according to other sources global debt to GDP ratio increased slightly in 2024, but only by 1,5%. As I wrote before, probably mostly fueled by China.

That’s precisely what the majority of the citizens think here in our country: what you’re paying is not commensurate with what you’re getting.
We have so many taxes on consumer goods and services. There are also expanded value-added taxes, and yet, if you go to a public hospital, you will have to line up and beg politicians to get a letter of guarantee. It’s challenging to live in a third-world country due to the rampant corruption.
It’s the other way around in a third-world country; they pay so much, and yet you hardly get anything.

Tariffs can be seen as another way to generate revenue. US President Donald Trump said import tariffs were going to be enough to eliminate the income tax. That hasn't materialized yet, but if it works, it will allow people to live comfortably without paying taxes. Leaving taxes on top of tariffs will generate even greater revenue for governments, but will result in greater economic burden for people.

I understand most young people don't want to work these days, so it's going to become harder for governments to collect taxes in the long run. Future generations will depend completely on government assistance to survive (freeloaders). We can blame recent technological advancements for this (especially AI). Eventually, a UBI (Universal Basic Income) will be established, allowing anyone to earn "free" money without doing nothing. Who's going to work with such a system in place? AI will do all of the work, while we sit back and relax. We'll see how sustainable this will be for mainstream governments in the long run.

Appreciate your reply, and your facts!

Debt/GDP trends from the COVID spike, some countries’ ratios have improved a bit as economies recovered. Japan, the Euro Area, even the US, ratios have pulled back from the absolute highs. Totally fair point, and thanks for the sources. (I actually checked a few of those stats after reading your post)

Debt, on its own, is not instant doom. Japan has run with crazy-high debt for decades, and the system didn’t snap. Also, if growth stays healthy and rates stay manageable, a high debt load is not necessarily explosive. My concern is more about the "next turn". If interest rates stay up, or if another big shock hits, the cost to refinance could ramp up fast. History shows that when the rate > growth math flips, that is when things can suddenly get stressful

But you nailed it: it is not all about collapse. I do not even want a collapse! I want options. My take on Bitcoin is less "end of fiat" and more about having an alternative if/when trust in government money goes sideways



People get too focused on the "poor vs poor" fight, when it is actually about gatekeeping and protecting power at the top. You can see it in how big tax loopholes never really close, or how the rules get complicated enough that only the super-rich can afford the lawyers to avoid paying what the rest of us have to

What frustrates me is how, when regular folks start to wake up or push back, the debate always gets split:
- "It is your fault for not working hard enough", or
- "It is those people over there taking your share"

Meanwhile, the really big decisions (where the real money goes) just keep happening quietly at the top

When you look at the numbers, even in these so-called "rich countries", it is always the middle class and poor who pick up the tab, either through taxes, inflation, or lost services. Therefore, people should be starting to look for alternatives, even if those are still messy (like crypto, local currencies, or just finding new ways to support each other outside the "official" system)

I cannot say it will change overnight, but at least talking about it out loud is better than just swallowing it



A lot of us from smaller or less developed countries feel this way, and I respect how direct you are about it. Debt in itself isn't evil. If a country borrows to build good things (roads, hospitals, digital systems, schools, whatever that actually work) then maybe it is worth the risk. Japan, as you said, is a giant in the world because they turned a lot of that debt into real progress. People can actually feel the results: strong infrastructure, safe public transport, reliable healthcare, and a generally high quality of life

But when debt just disappears into pockets or is wasted on programs that do not last, it turns into a whole different story. In my own country, you pay taxes or take on debt, but get almost nothing back. Bridges collapse, the power goes out, officials get richer, but regular people just get by. That feeling (paying, but not receiving) makes people lose faith in the system. Why would anyone want to pay more tax (or tolerate more debt) if nothing gets better?

If we start thinking very rational we can figure out that it's not even a world loan because we owe each other and it's accumulated, money is debt which basically means that this is the money in the world currently the high the world debt, the high there is printed money.
In terms of what op is saying, we basically pay this money that he said we don't want to pay but we want more because in a natural sense whatsoever that is money, the tax payers get to fix that through the increment in the tax we pay. So in all sense we are just demanding what we deserve.

I think tax system is good to run the country because all people want facility in life and that is, possible by tax system but there should be fair tax application on all people. Rich people are paying no taxes on their assets and they have billions of dollars in the account and they are showing that they are in debt which is making the country in debt because these are important part of country and most of the industries are run by these people, these people could give tax easily but they claim that they are giving jobs and they deserve relief and they are the reason behind accumulation if tax from poor people but countries will stand when all people will give tax and government will be sincere with the people. The coordination between people and government is important to get rid of debt overload.

Excellent observation on how all this world debt is just money going in and out of pockets. It is almost as though we are all just writing IOUs and saying that it is "wealth". I have been considering this as well: the money of the world is essentially numbers and the more debt, the more money in the system. That is one big balancing act, and yeah, when governments go into more debt, it usually means more money is printed



Taxes are necessary for any country to work well. There is no way we get roads, hospitals, security, or even fair courts without people paying in. I agree, in theory, taxes should be for everyone, and everyone should get something back. That is the dream

But, like you said, the problem is the system is rarely fair. It is not just in one country. Almost everywhere, the richest find ways to avoid taxes. They have teams of lawyers, complicated companies, offshore accounts. Meanwhile, regular people cannot do this, so they pay what is asked, and even more, just to survive

I see the same thing: Big companies say they "create jobs", so they need lower taxes. But this is just an excuse. Jobs matter, but so does everyone paying their part. If only workers pay, and the richest do not, the country cannot be strong for long. The gap just gets wider

What makes it harder is, people lose trust in the system. “Why should I pay if the big guys do not?”, they asked. And when government is not sincere by wasting money or making shady deals, trust goes down even more. It turns into a cycle: more tax dodging, more debt, more frustration

real change has to come from both sides. People need to see where their money goes, and governments need to close loopholes and treat all citizens fairly, rich or poor. If we ever get that, maybe people will actually feel good about paying taxes

We do know on how taxes works and its that for the good when it comes to economic development of course on which the citizen would be able to benefit out on which it would be that still depending on the leaders of the said country whether they are that responsible enough and not someone whose corrupted on which there are those places who do have this very common problem. This is where we could be able to see the difference when it comes to governance and development of course that differ on each place and thats why its ideal that a certain individual wont be that hoping up that much or would be that reliant when it comes into those possible benefits that they do get into government services or aids or what. Its better to think up on having that approach rather than on trying to expect something or not.

If they would be that trying out to apply then it would be good but if not then there's nothing we can do about it but rather to move on and just that simply move our own way on how to sustain.
We are the ones who would be trying out change up our lives even with those factors along the way.

Good you agree with me! the world is preplanned to be a confusion for us, printing more money to have the citizens or the people in control is the absolute game the governments play with us, now they might come up with an association that will be named a confused few words then fund it themselves and ask other all economies to take a free interest loans from this associations and then accumulate it into the world loan hence keeping the people in check.
It might seem balanced a bit but if deeply searched it's full of shit, the world economy is very much confusing to the ordinary man.

Back to the topic, I still disagree that people ask for that they aren't will to pay, the government officials proudly say that the people do not know what they want so they set more confusion and ask us to pay in other to keep the rich richer and we pay all that in tax. You could wake one day and you are taxed for even sleeping and we will have no choice than to pay directly or indirectly, so whatever demands the people make it should be granted and add it to there bill as they always do but however just let it be granted in the first place.

politicians shouldn't really be rich especially if the citizens are suffering but because of corruption they are ending up spending the people's money for their personal uses
that is because they also are not earning much because of taxes and such the government affects everyone both the employers and the employees

We can think of it like a pyramid scheme, same type that Ponzi schemes do operate, where those at the top keep getting rich by the day, every devastating situation and economic crisis seems to benefit them in a way, with the poor getting reaped from how much they have to give to survive and the rich at the end of it’s benefits.

Every now and then, some poor forks gets to break out but, they only make the pyramid taller.
Once the poor entertains the thought of schemes been devised to make them remain poor, it creates a submissive mindset to that idea in their subconsciousness and that’s how, a breakout becomes even more difficult.

Government never pays, you might as well walk the yellow brick road to petition the wizard for his benevolence.   A complete fairy tale is the idea government pays its citizens, the government is as important as a traffic light they dont carry the load or do the work they may direct it usefully perhaps.
  Citizens are the wealth of a country beginning and end to any tale, any speech should honestly reflect that.

At some point I think that these debts will be the norm. Every big country will have a really big debts and it will keep adding up yet the world just move on because there's no solution for it because a solution for it means disruption and this disruption means no more cheap healthcare and so on.
We're already too deep in the mud that the only way is to go forward accumulating debt, this happens to every country around the world.

Governments need taxes to help finance their operations. But in most cases, they overcharge their citizens, adding more burden to the economy in the long run. Overtaxation has always been an issue, especially in the US and some other countries. I believe that's why most people (especially young people) don't want to work these days. They want everything without having to pay anything in return. Well, their dreams will come true as AI will take control of everything.

So instead of humans being subject to slavery, it would be AI itself. The government will still be able to collect taxes from things that AI produces or helps create. Donald Trump's tariffs could work if they ultimately abolish the income tax. Not only that, but they will serve as a way to ramp up domestic production. Be aware that with the rising cost of living, comes increased criminality rates. Who knows what the future holds?

The "less government" movement came from that, because our taxes are not used efficiently. Just recently, Elon Musk, even though I dislike him, proved that there could be plenty of cuts that he can do to the government himself. It's clear that there are things that government needs to spend money on, but there are things they are wasting money on some other stuff as well. So we need to focus on how they could be doing a good job if they know what they are doing but most don't.

However, problem with less government is that, even if you let people take care of most, government still needs to handle some stuff, law, cops, military, even education to a point. And they can waste a lot of money on those too, which is corruption at its core.

How governments use the debt they borrow has a positive or negative impact on the lives of future generations. If debt is used in areas that will yield future returns, such as education, infrastructure, energy, etc., future generations can benefit from these investments. Each generation inherits savings and burdens from the previous one. The question is whether this is balanced.

I think this balance was disrupted after the covid-19 pandemic. During the pandemic, people could not leave their homes for a long time and governments borrowed horrendous amounts of money to prevent financial and moral losses to their citizens. This shook the debt balance. The debts grew because the whole system was based on mortgaging the future for the benefit of the present. We may owe our present comfort to mortgaging the savings of future generations.

the idea that "government" somehow gives us money is basically backwards. At the end of the day, it is just our money, cycled back through a lot of bureaucracy (and often, waste or weird priorities). The system is not some rich uncle. It is more like a complicated middleman that takes a cut

It is true, as you said, people are the real wealth. We construct, we make, we pay, and even when politicians say they will give us free stuff, it all begins and ends with citizens doing the work. I admire the way you put on us the responsibility. Leaders have a tendency to make a pretense that they are making the sacrifices when in fact they only control what we have in the table

But here is where I am stuck: if citizens are the "beginning and end", why do so many feel powerless or just… numb? Maybe because the system is so huge now, it is easy to forget who is in charge. It feels like the traffic lights are getting more complicated and sometimes make the jam worse, not better



if governments tried to fix the debt all at once, it would be chaos for everyday people. Services would get cut, prices would go up, probably protests in the street. That is why leaders never really fix the root, just patch things up to avoid a crisis today and hope tomorrow's problem is someone else's. Sometimes I catch myself thinking the same way: "We are already in too deep, just keep going". But I worry what happens if something actually does break? A big financial shock, or suddenly nobody wants to lend anymore

But, does this “normalizing debt” attitude just make us all passive? Maybe the real danger is when everyone gives up and expects the system to take care of itself. That is when real change (good or bad) usually gets forced on us, and we lose even more control

There sure are nations that asks about 50% tax from the citizens and provide a flawless public service that people appreciate. There always would be people complaining but countries like Denmark and Finland has a working social security.
But many other countries that takes nearly the same tax are providing almost no benefits to the citizens and when the benefits you provide are non existenet and the tax you ask are high, no one would be willing to pay it. If a government wants to take a high tax, they should start with improving themselves, they could work for the citizen with a debt to prove that they could indeed run a welfare society but if the government fails to provide the basic public service, they have no morals to ask for high tax.

The problem is government are not spending the money they raise to where it matters. Government works for the benefit of small number of businesses and people.
Not even 50% of those money raised comes back to the general public. The so called public spending too are a way to feed the contractors and the actual result they deliver are negligible.

This isn’t just a problem of you and me, but everyone alive that continue to rely from the government. We want good and quality services, and immediate response to our needs and concerns, but we do not think that in order to achieve all of these, we also need to do our part, to pay the right amount of tax, and to be a helpful citizen to achieve total progress of the country.

The problem is our wrong mindset, we demand to be satisfied with the government services, yet we aren’t paying enough so that the government can cater our needs and services wanted.