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I've been thinking about starting this thread for a while, partly because of the rivalry between gold and Bitcoin as a store of value, and specifically this year because of the rise in gold, which has outperformed Bitcoin in terms of profitability.

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We can see that so far this year, gold has more than doubled Bitcoin's returns, although if we go back just a little further, 12 months from today, the story is already different.

What could be the cause of this? On the one hand, central banks continue to accumulate gold, and, at least for now, they are not accumulating Bitcoin. This is curious, to say the least, because central banks are responsible for ensuring the integrity of fiat currency, and it seems that they are buying gold to protect themselves from the junk they are creating.

On the other hand, with the rise in gold prices this year, I am seeing more and more talk about gold everywhere. Metaphorically speaking, and following the phrase attributed to Rockefeller, I have even heard shoe shiners talking about buying gold. Or people thinking about taking out loans to buy it. This may indicate overheating, a bubble that should burst at some point and reverse the explosive growth that gold is experiencing this year.

For my part, I have a couple of gold pieces purely for diversification. I don't have more because I believe that in the future Bitcoin will take over much of the current gold market.

But I think we should continue to follow what happens with this metal, as it says a lot about the current economic situation, in which people increasingly distrust fiat currencies, and because of its relationship, whether rivalry or complementarity, with Bitcoin.

Honestly Gold going up this much, in such a short order is worry-some. Why is everyone buying Gold all of a sudden? Its not a good sign.

Means the smart money is buying Gold because they see inflation going higher or they see some catastrophic event. Everything is over-leveraged and over-priced these days. Look at all those stocks with 500 PE ratios. Look at all these useless meme tokens worth billions. Eventually it will break but nobody knows when.

That's what I wonder. On the one hand, central banks are increasing their purchases, but on the other, I think a lot of retail investors are also buying gold. There are many people who still don't fully understand Bitcoin or see it as too volatile.


The former, I believe.


Not only that. I believe that more and more people are realizing that the CPI is a false measure, as we can all see that the prices of goods and services are rising more than this metric tells us.

Gold price can increase because of many reasons


But among them, I think it is increased more this time because of geopolitical tensions. Some people may be thinking we are very close to world war 3.

Gold price has history of not falling during major wars. In major wars, its price was increasing.

Gold price continues to pump because of all the wars happening around the world, and i am talking about both armed conflicts and economic wars too. As a result of these conflicts, countries and institutions have been stockpiling on gold and i don't see the world getting any peace soon, so gold price will continue to rise.

I don't know if you are also following the Silver market, but it broke $50 an ounce for the first time in over forty years. Precious metals are on the rapid rise. Institutions and retail investors view them as safe haven assets, which is true. And in uncertain times and market, they are the go-to assets to retain value and accrue profits.

Wow, when there were threads about people taking out loans or selling their houses and kids' toys to buy bitcoin it seems like there was no criticism of that behavior whatsoever--or talk of overheating.  My question to you, OP, is why you don't think bitcoin might be just a little bit overheated?  I'm not even saying that it is, just that there may be some bias here (which is not unexpected on a bitcoin forum).  But you never struck me as a member who'd be blind to that sort of thing.

Bitcoin and gold are both stores of value.  So are the dollar bills in my wallet and anything else that's expected to hold at least some value in the future.  That isn't even debatable; the real debate is about how risky each asset or commodity is in terms of its value over time.  To that extent gold has way more data points than bitcoin does, and I'm pretty sure even after the price of gold was allowed to float it hasn't been as volatile as bitcoin.  

But that makes me wonder if we're actually talking about stores of value or investments, because when we're comparing two graphs and talking about which line has had the higher slope while going up, up, up I suspect it's the latter.  


For some people, it might just be too volatile.  That isn't something to criticize, because different people have different tolerances for risk.  If I'm a 60-year old person, do you think I'd want to shift my retirement money into something like bitcoin?  You might have already thought about that at some point, but if not, I'd like to know what your opinion is after you have.

Yes, it feels a little strange with this increase in gold prices or maybe because I don't really follow it because my investment in gold is not that big, but honestly, this is the first time I've seen such a significant price increase, because if we examine the history from year to year, the movement tends to be slow, but when Covid ended, gold showed good signs and a rare moment was this year, the increase in gold almost touched 36%. Could this be signs of a new trend in gold?

Gold has built its reputation as a hedge against inflation. Historically investors see it as a safe asset during times of uncertainty like conflicts and wars. Bitcoin is gradually becoming popular among investors; it might someday be seen as a viable asset during economic downturns.

The increase in the price of silver is driven by some factors like high industrial demand since it is used in the production of electronics and solar energy. It wouldn't be a bad idea to diversify one's investment into some of these assets. However, Bitcoin remains the top asset.

The more I keep holding not to invest on gold because of the fear of going down, then I continue in realizing how it has just started to pump up the more, gold is one of the most lucrative investment one could take advantage of investing this on it  aside Bitcoin, however, we should not also forget that this can not always be as the same, there are seasons it also falls.

There are many reasons to the uprising of gold as we can see the way many countries are lacking behind in economy performance and some are doing well, war here and there, market pump and dump and lots more causing lots of waste of resources and financial budget as the economy suffers the most in paying for these in return, maybe that is one of the reasons inflation will always be the order of the day with centralized markets and we are going to see gold rising the more.

I don't think it's a bubble. The central banks know that their currencies are losing value, and rich people can also see that inflation may become higher than it already is, so they buy. You know what happens when certain people start buying an asset like gold: FOMO sets in, and others follow, then the demand increases. It's a normal demand and supply. The problem is, will it continue like this? Do the investors trust it enough to keep their investment in gold, or might they decide to cash in on a profit?

I don't consider gold a rival to bitcoin. They have similarities, of course, but they're not competing with each both. They're two different investments that people should have if they have the money.
It is always good to have Bitcoin and Gold, but it should not be because people are buying or because of fear of missing out, and this is something a lot of people are doing now.
If Bitcoin starts pumping to over $130k now, you will see different investors, companies and even countries thinking about buying. They're neither here nor there, just going with the flow.

I wouldn't call it a new trend. Gold has been known for ages as a safe haven asset, one that holds its value in uncertain times, such as one we are living in right now. I get that it is more renowned for retaining value than accruing huge profits in a shorter time, which is why it is much more appealing to the "older" generation. That's not to say young people do not buy gold. But there comes a certain age were a person must reduce the level of risk they want to get exposed to.

That said, the geopolitical tension around the world is palpable. Russia v Ukraine, Israel just ended their military action with Hamas, and i hope it holds up. The economic tension between the U.S. and China continues to brew and nobody knows what their next move could be. Inflation is rocking nearly every country on the surface of the earth, etc. All of these and more make precious metals a very attractive investment for smart investors, do not also forget how Central Bank's are backing that up as they continue to purchase gold, filling up their reserves.

Bitcoin is now in the process of replacing gold and the dollar. And has long replaced them with better features. Bitcoin has already become globally tested and sustainable. It has faced various technical and economic challenges and is still surviving. Although new competition may come against Bitcoin in the future or some unknown weaknesses may appear within Bitcoin, it still maintains a strong position. It is logical to have doubts about the future of Bitcoin, but to dismiss it only because of possible flaws or to rely on the potential of another currency can be a decision that weakens one's position.

Gold sucks compared to btc if you cherry pick

Dec 2012 btc was a low as 9 dollars
Oct  2025 btc is 111000 dollars

Dec 2024 btc was 106k
Oct 2025 btc is 111000k


First case Btc crushes gold stomps it smashes it piss on it.
Second case Btc loses to gold.

Dec 2012 gold was up to 1675
Oct 2025 gold is 4100

So in 1 case gold is better.

And in 1 case gold sucks.

I don't think this recent price hike on gold is a dangerous thing. It is just a healthy correction. I mean Gold was lagging behind for decades, what was supposed to happen? The FED has been printing billions and trillions lately while gold was sitting at $2000 an ounce. That price was obviously not going to hodl and guess what, it didn't. I knew that and I bought some gold long time ago. I haven't been adding any to my stash in the last 2 years because I have already bought the gold I'll ever possibly need in the future and they are doing just great nowadays. When you think how much FIAT the FED has printed in the last decade, even $4000 is still cheap. It should be $10k, $20k an ounce. I ain't selling any till I at least see 5 figures on gold. Remember,

1 ounce = 1 ounce.

I'm not surprised that seeing how gold is rising because recent activities in global politics suggest that there will be a shift from the US dollar. The rivalry between the west and the east is shifting things in a bipolar order and no one wants to leave anything to chance hence institutions are looking for a safe haven of which gold will be the greatest beneficiary because the old money and traditional businesses are yet to fully come to terms with Bitcoin. Nevertheless, Bitcoin will catch up but it will take some time and we should be patient with the process to see Bitcoin gain that level of trust.

I am not following it too closely but yeah, I knew about that.


Bitcoin may be overheated, but given the current stage of the cycle and the fact that the price hasn't even doubled since the previous cycle's ATH, I'm inclined to think not.



Decreasing value, at a fast pace, which partly explains why most assets keep going up in nominal terms.


I don't quite understand why you're asking me that in a thread about gold. I'm not going to give financial advice for retirement, but I can tell you what I have: a mix of Bitcoin, gold, investment funds, retirement accounts, and stocks.


Hey phillip, that's what I said in the OP:



It probably is just as you say.

Dedollarisation!

As the world spirals down into chaos and as US regime continues starting new wars of different types, the world continues dumping the dollar. They instead start accumulating gold to beef up their economy, specially if the next World War begins they'll need to back their fiat with anything they can.
This is why the central banks have been on a crazy gold buying spree over the past 3 years.

Each time the rogue regime in Washington does something nasty, the gold price jumps. Recently they intensified the economic war with China and China retaliated hard, therefore gold jumped another $200-$300.
Next they are eying Venezuela and could invade this oil rich country to steal its natural resources. We could then see gold jump another level of two.

You are right that some countries are heavily buying gold since 2022 which is 3 years as of 2025. Some central banks have bought more than 1000 tonnes of gold each year since 2022, unlike in 2010 to 2021 that they only bought around 481 481 tonnes of gold a year. This is more than double and it is what has been fueling gold price increase.

But the United States government shutdown is still part of the reason, not the major reason, but at least it is contributing to it. The trade war that Trump is causing is also contributing to it.

United States should not forget the reason countries started to trust dollar, gold can replace that to some extent.

I believe that is only partially true. There is a general mistrust of fiat currencies, not just the dollar. Many individuals have realized this and are investing to combat inflation. But even many central banks are rapidly accumulating gold, and in this regard, I think you are right. I think the turning point was when the US and European countries seized Russian assets because of the war in Ukraine. Why would you buy dollars or bonds from European countries and the US if they can be seized at any time? And yes, the country that is accumulating gold at the fastest rate is China, which is simultaneously reducing its positions in US bonds.

The price of gold in the global market has been increasing rapidly recently and a big FOMO has now been created in the gold market. The price of gold has never increased at such a fast pace in its history. But this year, gold is growing as fast as crypto. However, gold is a strong metal which is also kept as a country's reserve. And its price remains at a stable level and increases gradually. But such a sudden rapid increase is not a positive sign. At any time, the price of gold can fall which will shake the whole world. People consider investing in gold as the safest investment but what is happening with gold suddenly can break this confidence of people. I am a little scared about this.

Not only China. I do not think China is the first but it is one of the countries that is actively buying gold. Poland, Turkey, India, Azerbaijan and China were among the leading buyers last year according to the news I read on BBC when gold surpassed $4000 recently. Also the Middle East Asian countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar bought huge amount of gold since 2022.

All countries are keeping a separate eye on gold and are actively buying gold due to which the price of gold is increasing very rapidly in the stock market and accordingly new records are being set in the global market for gold. I am really surprised to see the speed of increase in gold price. Every two days I get news that the price of gold is increasing. Especially in the last two months, the price of gold has increased a lot which had not increased even in the entire year before. The rapid rise in gold prices seems positive in some ways and negative in others.

Inflation, exactly--most people don't understand that most assets priced in terms of fiat will keep going up in price over time, all things being equal.  That isn't true for everything, but I know exactly what you're saying and was going to mention that myself (I swear).

Bitcoin might be one of those assets that doesn't just keep going up, however.  It's driven by supply and demand and even the best analyst wouldn't be able to tell you what 1BTC ought to be worth right now, a week, or a year from now because it's not like there's an underlying business to analyze as in the stock market.  It's all supply and demand, and the current and future supply aren't really up for debate, trying to predict the price of bitcoin at any point in the future is guessing at what the demand for it is going to be.  Does that make sense?


That was a rhetorical question.  I wasn't asking you for advice on retirement but a general question about what a person closer to retirement than you are would probably think of bitcoin as an investment.  And I'm not talking about someone who's wealthy and can afford to lose their savings.

Even if the price of gold increases rapidly, its price will never decrease rapidly. There has never been a major price crash in the history of gold. Now the demand for gold in the market is very high and different countries are buying a lot of gold, due to which the price of gold is increasing rapidly. Meanwhile, the bearishness of the crypto market will start very quickly, due to which many people are withdrawing their investments from crypto. In this way, the investment pressure on gold is increasing in various ways and there is a lot of demand, the price of gold is gradually increasing. Yes, I also agree that the price is mainly raised through the stock market and the gold association of each country sets a price for the physical market. However, I cannot see any negative signal to increase the price of gold.

The two that I remember were: the first one was in 2011 to 2015 when gold fell from $1850 to $1060. The second one was between 2021 and 2022 when gold fell from $2080 to almost $1600. The central banks increased the gold they are buying in 2022, the price increased further. Trump started trade war, the price increased further. The United States government closed down, the price increased further.

To be sincere, I don't really see this as a good sign
Due to skirmishes in the past years, I think people are expecting a bigger crisis
Hence why they are rushing on Gold.
Economic war
Geopolitical War
There might be reshuffling of powers. What's a better safe bet than Gold.

Imo dollar bills don't really meet the criteria of being store of value
Especially during crisis.
Store of value means it doesn't loss much purchasing power in the future.

It makes sense but Bitcoin is the only asset with a fixed production rate and a total limit on its suppy, which leads me and many others to believe that the price can only go up in the long term.


Ok, I see. I think that someone who is close to retirement and does not have a big stash will be averse to Bitcoin because of its volatility. If you have just enough for retirement, you're not going to risk seeing a 70% drop in one year.. However, if they retire today and expect to live for another 20 years, it is not crazy to invest 5 or 10% of their total assets.


There have been more. Our friend could have done a simple search before making that claim.

Gold & Silver Crashes in History: Severity, Duration, and Recoveries (https://goldsilver.com/industry-news/article/gold-silver-crashes-in-history-severity-duration-and-recoveries/)

I think the current situation with inflation and fear about wars is only partially explaining the gold rally. The inflation peak was in 2022/23, and until now the expectations of inflation exploding again in 2025 due to Trump's tariff policy have materialized only to a small extent (inflation reduction in the US is stuck but CPI hasn't really increased significantly).

I would still not say there's peace in the Middle East now, but at least the situation cooled down a bit. So this is another factor that "normally" should also cool down the gold rally, at least from a "fundamental" perspective.

So my take is that these both reasons can explain the start of the rally in early 2025. But then it has become a self-sustaining rally, i.e. people saw the price going up and bought. So I second the idea that it has become a bubble, and a crash or at least a significant correction may be quite close. No idea if it before reaches $5000 or $6000 though, late rally euphoria can be insane.

That Bitcoin hasn't capitalized from the same fears in the same way than gold is a sign that its risk profile is still perceived by the markets closer to a stock than to gold. This may change, but I wouldn't like to predict when. As I wrote elsewhere though, my own guess is that this can happen once the Bitcoin bear markets become less pronounced (not more than 50% since the previous ATH, which is comparable to gold's crashes).

it's More like a calm before. The storm. Us still remains the dominant country in majority eyes and we can tell from the action of the president that the coming months wouldn't be favorable to government bond or the stock market. The

The prices of all cryptocurrencies, starting with Bitcoin, are in a slump in the market but the price of gold is now making history by increasing because we saw that gold touched a market cap of $30.238 Trillion for the first time. It really is huge. In fact it appears that tensions are increasing unplannedly between the United States and China, meaning that these two countries are now engaged in a tariff war, which is resulting in an increase in gold acquisitions, on the other hand, the volume of purchases of these assets has increased due to expectations that the Federal Reserve may cut interest rates this month. I would say that due to the recent tariffs on China in various areas, many may be entering the gold market now instead of volatile assets like Bitcoin.

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I've read some online news or watched some videos, and most people start talking about gold after it reaches its peak price. I also thought a bubble bursting would cause panic, even though gold tends to be stable and not as volatile as bitcoin. A few days ago, my older sister called me and asked me to accompany him to sell gold. On the way home, she said, "If only we had bought more gold earlier, we might be rich now." It just came out of my mouth, "If only we had bought a lot of bitcoin earlier, we might be billionaires today."

I also have some gold stored by my wife, and most women prefer gold to bitcoin. I believe that in the future, bitcoin will dominate the majority of the current gold market. The growth is already evident, as bitcoin's capitalization continues to grow, and its increasingly widespread adoption will position it as a potential asset for the future.

Yes, we can see that the price of gold has been increasing a lot compared to Bitcoin for the past few days. Moreover, the price of gold in the world market has reached a very high position, I constantly watch the news and there I can see that the price of gold is continuously increasing. Especially in my country, it is much higher than in other countries. The price of gold in our country is being sold at a high price, no one imagined that the price of gold would suddenly increase so much. To be honest, I did not expect the price of gold to increase so quickly, basically I think most people are investing their money in gold. Maybe people want to invest their money in gold with their money due to the fear of inflation, which is why the price of gold is increasing rapidly in the world market. Moreover, I have seen some predictions where they said that there is a possibility of the price of gold increasing further in 2026, I do not know how true this is, but maybe the price of gold will increase further.
I see that the price of 1 kg of gold is showing $140k in mid-October.
And where the price of Bitcoin touched $126k in October.
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Gold's movement is indeed extraordinary at the moment, and it also appears to have temporarily fallen some time ago, coinciding with the BTC correction. Many newly wealthy people are currently able to maintain their holdings and haven't sold their gold in a hurry until today and what Adaseb said is also interesting. While this increase is still reasonable considering the current situation, it also signals a specific, negative sign that if sentiment changes, those with large supplies will take quick profits. Nevertheless, I still believe in BTC's performance, and even if gold does experience a temporary sell-off, more or less money will flow into BTC as well, and Bitcoin will catch up, just as you said.

Honestly, I don't hold any physical Gold, but I do have Gold digitally, which I use for trading activity through spot, and I'm able to save up somewhat,
which is a good thing I'm doing right now.

But as for whether it's a good time to buy Gold right now, in my personal opinion, I think I would still wait for a little confirmation because I believe it will go down further for now.
This is just my assumption. However, Bitcoin is also a good opportunity right now to take advantage of and buy it, provided we have extra money for it.

Broadly speaking, there are two factors that can be observed: global geopolitics are heating up and the world has come to understand that the dollar does not have real and stable value. Global geopolitics have a greater influence, including the recent trade war between Trump and Jinping, as well as other tensions that have arisen with the military in its implementation, the heating up of tensions between the West and the East, NATO-Russia, and so on. The current political situation is indeed at a state of alert, Therefore, we will be drawn back to a time when gold was still valuable in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of everyone, both old and young, wherever they were. Gold will be accepted, unlike fiat or other currencies. Therefore, in anticipation of continuing global political tensions, several banks and countries that understand this situation are buying gold as their reserves and discarding the dollar. This is a form of anticipation, because the dollar or other currencies could become worthless tomorrow if America collapses and experiences hyperinflation, and also because of America's large debt, which will become a bubble that could burst at any time and wreak havoc on the American economy.

If America continues to intervene in small countries in this way, then the price of gold will definitely increase again, because this will cause anxiety for other countries, who are aware that it is possible that their country will be exploited next when Venezuela runs out of oil and this will make other countries join certain allies/blocs so as not to be touched by the US, to save themselves.

I personally am slowly accumulating gold, although not much I think it is better to have a little than nothing.

Many people see the sharp rise in gold prices and seem afraid, and think that the gold bubble will soon burst but in my opinion that will not happen. Because the surge in demand for gold is due to growing geopolitical uncertainty globally, not speculation like what is happening in the crypto market. So it is very unlikely that gold prices will suddenly drop like crypto assets.

Instead of thinking that the sudden increase in gold prices is not a positive sign and fearing that gold will be sold off will affect gold investors. We should have a financial plan because such an unusual increase in gold prices usually signals something bad is about to happen to our economy.

Contrary to you, I even believe that gold will soon reach $5k to $5k2 and will soon reach $10k if geopolitical instability increases in the coming years.

If you want to get in and make returns before the rally is over, then the best time to buy gold was yesterday and the next best time is now. Because there is going to be a price crash or correction sooner or later. But if you are looking at hodling whatever you buy for a very long time, then it is not a bad idea to wait out the rally and buy when the price corrects, so you do not purchase on a high.
Yes, i believe BTC is a store of value, but not necessarily a safe haven asset yet. Its volatility has to reduce before we can really call it that. Most of my funds are in bitcoin, but that's because i really believe in its potential, but with the geopolitical tension around the world, most investors would choose precious metals over crypto.

I agree with this, but I would add that it is not usually considered a safe haven but specifically in the sort term, and we can see this in the market. In the long term, and to combat currency devaluation, it has proven to be the best option. I think it will be a matter of time, and perhaps not much time, as d5000 points out, before Bitcoin is accepted as a safe haven.

Similar to bitcoin, gold is an asset that appreciates in value over time. So if you don't mind buying bitcoin now regardless of the price because you believe its price will increase in the long term despite the short term volatility. You can do the same with gold.
You fear its price will suddenly drop and think this is not the right time to buy, simply because you have no interest in it, nothing more.

Honestly, if we are being fair and objective, with the current geopolitical uncertainty, buying gold is safer than buying bitcoin right now. But most of us are bitcoin investors so we disagree with that because of the love we have for bitcoin.

If they want to preserve their capital for short term I guess BTC is not good to be their safe haven due to its price swings. We have seen the movement of Bitcoin for past few days and provably this could make some people to lose their money.

It can be a safe haven if the economy of their country is weak also during bank instability.

There's still many debate about this and some might agree that Bitcoin is good to be their safe haven and some may not.

Gold is undeniably in that state due to its store value and dominance, but I have strong confidence that Bitcoin would also reach in that status. Given its limited supply and rapidly growing adoption.

It's only a matter of time before bitcoin becomes a safe haven like gold, but I don't think it will happen anytime soon and it won't be easy to achieve that title.

It is no coincidence that gold has achieved the title and become the standard for safe haven assets. To achieve that, gold took many years and went through many challenges such as economic crisis, world war, pandemic. It must prove to the world that it is a sustainable asset, capable of withstanding risk and preserving value in times of crisis.

So if bitcoin wants to get that title, it has to at least show the world that it can do what gold has done. It won't become a safe haven just because it becomes more stable.

We still need to grow a lot more, but I still have trust that we will be bigger than gold one day. It will not be today, it is not going to be quick, probably not even within the next 5 to 10 years. But I still think it will happen, we just need to wait for it, right now the gap is something like 15x, and going up that much is not impossible for bitcoin. Obviously bitcoin going up doesn't mean gold will stay the same, as we have seen gold also goes up, but I think bitcoin will go up faster than gold.

So, there will come one day when bitcoin marketcap will be bigger than gold marketcap. I mean simply thinking, if you held bitcoin and gold for the past 10 years, which one would have made more money for you?

Gold is one of the assets that people are interested in investing in to protect themselves from inflation. Since ancient times, people have considered investing in gold as safe. In line with this, governments of different countries around the world have started depositing gold in government funds. Currently, this trend has increased even more. People are afraid of inflation. Along with this, there are wars, conflicts and geopolitical tensions between different countries of the world. Again, along with gold, the current generation is also interested in investing in digital gold.

After Bitcoin Market crash few days ago, there is new trend people or big investors are investing in gold and silver these days and which impact the price of gold so much. Bitcoin market still going down because of Trump and he has not taken back his threats and that's affecting bitcoin price and yesterday it's price dumped down to at least 104k and it's price has not recovered yet. It is difficult to say how much dump it will go and it's seems like bearish season starts in crypto market and it is best to think carefully before investing in bitcoin or gold

The discovery of Bitcoin is very old. It is best known for its high value in a very short time, Bitcoin is called a store of value. But the relationship between humans and gold is very old, it is about 6000-7000 years. People have taken help from gold during various disasters and through gold, people have been able to maintain the value of their assets. From the fall of the Roman Empire to the Covid pandemic, gold has rewarded people's trust. Whenever people have faced any major disaster, gold has saved them, so people will not remove their trust in gold in a very short time.

Bitcoin has not yet become a trusted asset like gold, it has benefited people and many people are still taking profits from Bitcoin. But when it comes to disasters such as events like world wars or the collapse of an empire or during a financial crisis, Bitcoin is not yet proven. Bitcoin has not yet had a chance to prove itself in these disasters and has not become a trusted asset for people. I doubt that Bitcoin will be able to replace gold anytime soon.

History shows that during times of major upheaval or uncertainty, people turn to gold as a safe haven asset and the price of gold starts to rise unexpectedly. Although this does not necessarily mean that it will happen during major upheavals. However, when it comes to rapid growth, it usually indicates a major upheaval. We do not know what is going to happen, but such behavior of gold does not bode well.

I agree. Fiat will become more unstable in the future and the value of the dollar will decrease. As you said, inflation will cause instability because the world has not yet ended the war. The beginning of new wars is being observed. The arms race is still going on around the world. Another terrible war will be for dominance over oil.

Due to distrust in Fiat, people are trusting alternative assets. Due to increased demand, the price of gold is touching new records and it will increase further.

Due to the trust of investors around the world in Bitcoin, the value of this digital asset has increased so much that it has touched a new ATH this month.

Gold has been a preferred choice from the past to the present and has perhaps become a preferred asset for some, institutions, or groups. It's not surprising that gold has a large market capitalization. Gold is reaching its current all-time high, and more and more people are likely to profit from it. As you mentioned, fiat is no longer an option because of the many issues that arise with it, so people will seek to adopt a gold approach to protect the value of their currencies. Gold has a good track record of performance and is almost impossible to see a price decline, although people may perceive it differently due to its volatility compared to other assets.

If we are talking about which asset accrues ROI faster and in large amounts for its investors, then it is obviously bitcoin. But just as it can rise very fast and churn out good numbers for its investors, it can also fall and lose a good amount of its value in a short time. Good thing is that bitcoin has utility, it is not a pump and dump coin like most altcoins, it rises back sooner or later.

That said, gold is renowned for maintaining value. So since investors, countries and institutions are seeking assets to maintain the value of their funds whilst the war around the world persist, they run to gold. And because of the very high demand, the price starts to skyrocket.

You are absolutely right that in history, people have always chosen gold as a safe haven when inflation increases. That is why today's people and governments are also keeping a large amount of gold reserves because it is a real asset and has retained its value for centuries. However, for the current generation, digital gold, which is Bitcoin, has developed this concept in a new way. It is unlimited and easily transferable and is not dependent on the monetary policy of any single country. Just as gold was a safe haven in the past, Bitcoin can play that role in the future. It will just take time to gain some stability and then it can also be established as a safe haven like gold.

Gold is still being accumulated and BTC regularly sees large sell offs, thats the large difference between the two.   The buyers of gold for decades now are doing their best not to buy too much and raise the price, they alone know just how much they will buy and its already been surprising to markets in the immense appetite.
   That reliance the market has on that buying will continue where as BTC does not have governments and nations buying to that extent, it remains more speculative even while rising in popularity and demand.

The meme Worthing over a billions is to drive the attention of investors to invest on it and once so much investors should invest on it will break before noticing it crashing and no coins can be compared to Bitcoin, no matter how the Bitcoin price can in market now, with time it will increase and nobody knows when that is why as an investors we should still accumulating more Bitcoin.

In addition, FOMO has been unleashed, especially among retail investors, in the purchase of gold. Many investors who have not invested in Bitcoin because they do not yet understand it are rushing to buy in response to the rise in gold prices.


That's right, we have several approved strategic reserves (as in US states) but are not actively buying/accumulating (except for El Salvador and Bhutan) while, on the other hand, there is a race among several central banks to accumulate gold.

Gold is also truly a good investment, but of course, I get more profit from Bitcoin compared to it because of the volatility that BTC has. And if I get extra profit from Bitcoin,
I use that to buy digital Gold on platforms that offer it.

Also, when other Gold investors know that Gold's price has the potential to drop, what they do is exchange it for Bitcoin. This is just one of the diversionary tactics they use as investors. And when they know there's a confirmation that Bitcoin will have a correction, they will move back to Gold. That's how they do things, in my opinion.

There is a huge difference between these two types of assets. Gold is not only used for investment but also used in almost all industries and especially for making jewelry and ornaments. It can be said that the demand for gold is very large, and that is why the increased supply of gold only makes the price of gold and capitalization increase, not decrease.

Meanwhile, bitcoin is only used as an investment asset, a store of value. And since it is not a physical asset and does not have as many applications as gold, its demand is unlikely to surpass that of gold. That's why I'm not optimistic about bitcoin surpassing gold in terms of capitalization.

But when it comes to investment returns, bitcoin definitely offers better returns.

If you have a large capital, it's very easy to get around this. If BTC is expensive, sell some first, then see gold going up again and buy immediately. That's the cycle I understand from reading your post.

The reality is that gold still holds a special place in our parents' hearts. Even though they know about it, it's still not appealing. Our parents' principles are strange. I personally feel this when discussing which assets they consider the best.

Gold has been on the rise for a long time now, and it's a great thing, let it be up because that is not bad for bitcoin, it's proving that the market is not doing well so that is why they are moving to going to increase all by itself and showing/proving that the market is bad. Why does gold going up mean market is bad? Because people want to take their money out of the market that is bad, and move it into gold which is stable and trusted.

We have seen a lot of people move their money to interest first, when rates were high after that covid deal, then slowly we have started to see them move it to market and then we are going to end up with getting much better results with it. I think it is going to end up with getting a lot better return without a doubt.

Well it all depends, as an investor if your goal or what your targeting is profit( as in high reqards) bitcoin is the answer, but if your goal is securing wealth for the future, gold is safer. Ad an investor going for gold is prolonging wealth and for it being stable secures the wealth, where as for bitcoin it multiplies it if only the digital market grows and keep growing.
If you want long term and safety, I advice you go for gold, but if you want potentials and ready to manage the risk involved go for bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a great and profitable asset l, but gold is considered more valuable and stable than bitcoin (for now though). Gold has been used for over 5,000 years before the coming of banks, digital finances came into existence, vast all over the globe it's value is rooted down in history and has passed on from generations to generations, bitcoin on the other hand is only 16 years old (since 2009) I'm contrasts it's still earning global trust as the case maybe.
Bitcoin strength lies on technology and has limited supply (because it only exists on blockchains and no physical use), gold has power or strength because it has reality, right now gold still supercedes bitcoin because of trust and stability ( volatility) but we can be certain that this balance could shift in the future as bitcoin grows maturely.

Gold is indeed a trending phenomenon right now, and many prominent figures like Jamie Dimon and Ray Dalio predict that gold will rise to a price of $5,000-$1,000. This is due to the weakening of the dollar's dominance and the assumption that a new era of gold is coming and confidence is refocused on this precious metal.


I personally see this correction as normal, and crypto enthusiasts, especially BTC enthusiasts, say there's still an opportunity to buy BTC, as BTC itself can easily be interpreted as the future of digital gold.

The weird thing about the market is that gold should be same with bitcoin, meaning we should be moving together and not have anything changing. If we can handle this then we can do a lot better. I mean think about it, we should be able to see this being a lot better connected, bitcoin shouldn't be connected with stock market, it should be connected to gold, because they are basically similar mindset.

If we can see bitcoin growing then we can do a lot better. So focus on doing that and we can be getting a lot better, it should not be a trouble and we can be getting great return. Think about it, if we can do this then it's going to be great and shouldn't be worried. When gold goes up, bitcoin should go up and that will get smarter with time, just reasonable.

Also, Peter Schiff is on fire. I saw him in an interview the other day with Anthony Pompliano, and you could sense his euphoria. But he was correct when talking about Bitcoin. Instead of saying it's garbage that will go to zero, he said it was speculative, like a tech stock. It's clear that he knew who Pomp's audience was and didn't want to upset them.

Gold is a safe heaven asset, while Bitcoin/crypto is moving in the same direction as the stock market. Trump's trade wars and tariffs caused a global uncertainty, and in uncertain times, the investors are running away from risky assets and buying more gold. The central banks are contributing to the growing demand for gold. Maybe after the trade wars are over, the risk appetite will return and most investors will sell gold and buy crypto and stocks. Or maybe fiat will get devalued even further, which means that both crypto and gold will become crazy expensive.
When the AI bubble bursts(this will happen at some point) crypto and stocks might be hit by a market crash and gold might get pumped to 5K USD per troy ounce.

Yes, bitcoin is not yet a safe haven like gold, something many bitcoin investors don't want to admit but it's true. Bitcoin is still a speculative asset and speculative assets will often get less attention and even be dumped in an unstable economy. We shouldn't be surprised bitcoin hasn't been able to rally like gold when the global geopolitical situation is more tense than ever.

Central banks are buying gold regardless of price, with Russia and China in particular said to be two countries that are actively buying gold. Maybe they are buying gold to promote the idea of ​​dedollarization, so I don't think this chaos will end anytime soon even if Trump wants to end the trade war.

Many people still don't believe gold will hit $5,000 but I think it's entirely possible and could even happen soon.

Good to see a gold maximalist like Peter Schiff is changes his stance on Bitcoin and now he give decent opinion towards this coin when they talk about it.

But look at the statement released by Andrew Tate https://finbold.com/andrew-tate-warns-bitcoin-is-going-to-26000/ he warn people that Bitcoin might drop at $26,000.

Maybe he got worried or freak out when he see the market experience fast dumps from past few days. But Bitcoin or the market prove Tate wrong as we could see Bitcoin is now recovering.

Also I'm impressed what Arthur Hayes did since instead of freaking out the same as what Tate did, he encourage people to buy at the dip and treat it as good opportunity to buy Bitcoin and he is right since people bought at $104k earns quick huge profit because Bitcoin recovers and currently at $110k - $111k.

We know one of the reasons why gold is rising is because the countries that are dumping the dollar and deamericanizing, are replacing it with gold. Now when US is being destabilized itself internally, the more the world will dump the dollar and buy gold.

October will soon end and this whole month the US government has been shut down. Each week they say that is tens of billions of dollars damage to the US economy.

We are also seeing increasing number of massive scale protests against the US regime across USA. For example right now millions of people are protesting (the No King thing).
We are also seeing the authoritarian regime in Washington is treating them with brute force. Trump has already deployed the military to beat the people into submission.

Last but not least we have the video Trump posted on his own official account created using AI where he is basically defecating on these protesters, this shows how the system has already fallen apart and is on its last legs.

Conclusion? It's obvious gold is going to look even more enticing and we can see it soar even harder. $4300 already, isn't it?

At present, these two are different things, for example, gold has been used since the beginning, a lot of business is done with it and it is also used and it is widely used in the world, which is permissible. And if we talk about Bitcoin or Crypto, at present it is not widely used like gold, it can only be traded like gold. Therefore, at present, gold is given more priority and Bitcoin is also given because it will work in the same way in the future. The banks that have started working with gold are making both very useful and both are doing their own work. This is what makes them bad that they want to buy Bitcoin during wars so that they can make more profit later, but here it often happens the other way around.

There is no reason to believe that gold will do better than bitcoin on the long run. I understand that it may have good times, but that is just a pump and for a long time it won't do that great. Look at it from an zoom out perspective and you will see that it is not a good investment for the long term, you hold for decades and do not get that much in return.

It is of course still better than keeping your money in fiat, of course invest into gold rather than not a single investment. However if we are comparing it to bitcoin then I would say that bitcoin is the far greater one and there isn't even a comparison for it. I believe we should be able to do a lot better with bitcoin, even if not in short term, definitely in long term.

Changpeng Zhao believes Bitcoin market cap will flip gold but can't outline when this will happen. assuming gold’s market cap remains around $30 trillion and Bitcoin’s supply around 20 million, BTC would need to rise to roughly $1.5 million for coin. but I doubt that gold's market capitalization will not grow with Bitcoin's rapid growth. such price for BTC is likely possible with a weak dollar.

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They can mine way more gold then they can get hold of BTC.  Its possible the large amounts of gold combined with the price makes for a larger market still, somehow gold can stay scarce but also available to all in this way in some small parts.

  We already know the amounts of BTC available and its scarcity is rising, with the block reward going down its less available; where as gold along with every other commodity will see ever greater amounts mined as the price justifies the investment in mining and exploration.

Although i am bitcoin supporters but i wouldn't underestimate gold because in my opinion gold is a investment instrument which is exist for hundred years ago and many people have proven that invest at gold for long term is profitable besides that unlike bitcoin from the volatility gold movement prices is more stable and do not forget too if faced downtrend the prices of gold too never hardly dumped

Bitcoin good for digital asset and gold too is good for physical investment and hold them will have much benefit and speaking about gold because in this year the prices of gold can reach it's peak several times many people in my country have starting to pay attention about gold and mostly they are more trust to saving gold rather than fiat

Since when is Andrew Tate an authority on anything related to Bitcoin? In fact, this is the first time I've seen him mentioned in this forum. I think he says interesting things in other areas, but I wouldn't take his opinion as anything more than that of someone who has a lot of money and can make predictions that are just as reliable as any of ours.


I have a much more long term view than that, you know? And that's why I believe that in time the tables will turn and Bitcoin will once again outperform gold in terms of profitability.

He don't actually have that but rather he's just sharing his thoughts towards Bitcoin. Recently his speculation about Bitcoin to dump at $26,000 been highlighted by some media sites that's why create lots of noises.

But he's prediction does not carry any weights since he don't have any technical credibility.


I believe its going to happen especially that Bitcoin has not reach its full potential. There's only few percentage of people in the world owns it and tables would provably flip if it happens that lots of people in the world will own Bitcoins in future. Its limited supply would provably create scarcity that's why I have strong feeling that Bitcoin will dominate and could able to surpass gold in future.

Why do you think so? There are both different assets, one is a tangible precious metal and the other is digital. I know there are some similarities, like lack of a central authority in control and scarcity as well, etc. But there is no reason why they should move together, particularly because one is much more volatile than the other, so they attract different kind of investors. And they are both attractive at different seasons.

The price of gold has increased a lot this year compared to the previous year and people are investing their money in gold. Basically, it seems that maybe in the future fiat currencies will be unbreakable, which has aroused the curiosity of every person.
The reason for investing in gold in large quantities may be that we are currently seeing a lot of political diplomacy and the threat of war worldwide, and if this happens, then of course it is risky for fiat currencies. The way we are currently seeing the tension in the world, the political diplomacy in the world is indicating that maybe there is a threat of war in the future, so people are not thinking of their money as safe at the moment, which is why they are investing in gold.
Moreover, gold is currently much more reliable than Bitcoin, Banks are currently more interested in investing in gold than Bitcoin. Basically, I think people are investing in gold only because of economic instability and security, there is not much volatility in gold, but there is volatility in Bitcoin, in which case banks are now creating reserves in gold, it is a safe asset.

My positive interpretation of this is that all the Bitcoin we accumulate at these prices, or that we are already holding and will continue to hold in the future, will be much more valuable when the gold rush is over and capital flows into Bitcoin. The supply of gold is variable; if there is high demand, as there is now, producers ramp up production, and this should, over time, at least cushion the price. With Bitcoin, that doesn't happen. The daily supply of Bitcoin is fixed, decreasing every four years, and there is a limit to the total amount.

I mean at this point we are just listening to everyone and giving everyone a chance to be heard. That dude has absolutely no authority over bitcoin nor has any experience with it like we do, like there are people on this forum who knows more about it, some on this page itself, and yet we are talking about him and his opinion?

I understand we should respect everyone's opinion, even if they are dumb, but we do not have to care about it. Bitcoin isn't failing to 26k, at least not anytime soon. Maybe when the bear run starts, and we bottom out at that level, then yeah it's possible, but we are nowhere near that right now, so there is no reason to start panic selling right away. Wait for it, there is enough time and you can still make some money.

It looks gold is seeing the first signs of "late rally" profit taking today. It crashed 5% (during some time up to 7% if comparing 24 hs) from ~4320$ to ~4100$. According to some media this may have been one of the largest daily losses in the last 10 years.

Silver even crashed 7% (51 to 48$).

This doesn't mean the rally is over, but it is a sign that markets are becoming more nervous.

Meanwhile it seems Bitcoin is not affected at all, it even recorded a new 7 day high of $114k but then retroceded to its previous level of about $111k again.

Sincerely, I think that any investor who intends to buy some gold bars for long term profiting, should go ahead and it won't stop any interest in an investment in Bitcoin because I believe both gold and Bitcoin have a strong edge over inflationary periods in any economy, thus they remain of value despite the price now.

I also don't want to be different when I say that speculation has a lot to do with the price of Bitcoin than with gold, because gold is one of the oldest investment that has value and a country like the world powers know this, hence the gold reserves they have in case of wars or extreme difficulty when fiat and crypto currencies fail.

In a simpler term it is that bitcoin will have more demand coming (with rather a higher volatility) than Gold because the supply is fixed and the more it is getting close to total mining out the rush for the piece will surge up and this where I think prices above $1m is easily achievable than seeing gold moving almost 50% up. Another major reason is gold is still seen as scarce metal but not totally limited since there is no cap on it limits and this will give bitcoin edge over it. One key thing that is actually affecting bitcoin is the fact that many people still place it or views it more as a stock and it is considered volatile that’s why once there is economic crisis it is part of those things that gets affected but I believe further adoption will seriously gives it more holdings stability.

I don't think this shows signs of nervousness. After the rally that began in early September, with exaggerated returns for what is usually the gold market, some consolidation was bound to come. For me, the big question now is, as you suggest, whether this is just a bump in the road or the end of the rally.


It's in a kind of sideways, I don't know what's necessary for the price to go clearly up finally.

This was how bitcoin increased to all time high the last time, it went gradually until it got to I think $119000, it is repeating almost the same pattern.

Bitcoin as increased over $116350 as of today but it is $115700 right now. The price is gradually increasing which shows how good bitcoin is. Investors confidence is back again after it fell to almost $100000.

Maybe some sentiments are into that situation, but it seems that lots of investors think that they already made enough profit and its time for them to cash out that's why those situation happen.

Somehow that situation is quiet normal and that is common reaction by people. Maybe some got panic especially they see that the market is dumping but for sure lots of gold investor earn huge profit from recent pumps happen to that asset.

Maybe lots of investors do DCA with gold and when they reach that 10 year target those people dump, then this cause the largest losses in 10 years for gold.

That is how all assets work, if you think that you have made enough profit then you stop and just keep it as it is, there isn't really any reason why you should not be working further with it. I understand the way it's done right now, but gold peaked a lot, so people may start selling, not all has to sell, some may hold or some may even buy, but there will definitely be some people who will sell. So that is why we should be careful about it and not really be wondering why it is not working.

If you really want to make money, getting out of gold and getting into bitcoin isn't a bad idea for now, but honestly if you want to wait until next halving, that is not a bad idea neither, gold should be fine until then.

Did you write an extra zero there?


In the end, after that small rise, it has remained at that level. In other words, the price continues to be boring.

What also seems to have stopped is the gold rally, which after reaching an ATH of $4,350 per ounce more than a week ago, has fallen to levels below $4K at the moment.

It was a mistake, I wanted to type $119000, before bitcoin later got to all time high, not $190000 which bitcoin has not gotten to before.

It is good if bitcoin is not falling below $110000, it can indicate another preparation that it will rise above $120000 again. But the market is truly boring right now.

Gold form triple top on a day candle after it has been rising for so long, that indicated bears at work and they showed that they are truly at work.

Gold has always been an excellent asset, a so-called safe haven for any financial asset, but now, due to such a frantic rise, gold is extremely overvalued, which is a very bad sign for investing in it right now. Yet people continue to buy gold due to the crowd effect, even though it's clearly already being overvalued. After all, it's an asset that has no physical value. It can't be useful in everyday life.