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Hello everyone, it’s been our first few days here. We’re taking every single comment and piece of feedback into consideration. Thank you to everyone who has already joined the thread.

We’ve been following the discussions and want to give all Bitcointalk members a fair chance to try 2UP. The rules are below, we hope you enjoy it!

Bonus details:
- Bonus Code: TALK10
- Value: $10
- Availability: First 100 claimers
- Rollover: None, you can withdraw subject to the withdrawal rules on no-deposit bonuses below
- Claim requirement 1: You must register by clicking on a 2UP signature banner OR register using invitation code BTCTALK when registering, http://2up.io/?r=BTCTALK
- Claim requirement 2: Email verification


How to claim your code:
 👉https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11483823-bonus-codes

Withdrawal rules for no-deposit bonuses:
 👉https://help.2up.io/en/articles/12264449-no-deposit-bonus-no-deposit-free-spins-withdrawal-rules


Further information for clarifying on withdrawal rules:

Scenario 1: You claim $10, you want to withdraw immediately without playing, you must deposit $20, then wager $100 and you will be able to withdraw your entire balance.

Scenario 2: You claim $10, you play some games and your balance becomes for example $40, you want to withdraw, you must deposit $40 and wager $200 to be able to withdraw your entire balance.

Scenario 3: You claim $10, then deposit at least $20 and opt to get the 200% welcome bonus + up to 500 Free Spins, this will override the "Withdrawal rules for no-deposit bonuses"

These withdrawal rules only apply to accounts that have never made a deposit of at least $20 before, more information in the link above.

Welcome to 2UP. The name doesn't sound like a casino name...  ;D

This casino is no different from other casinos, but I'm quite happy with its smooth web responsiveness.

It turns out that this casino accepts IDR deposits/withdrawals, which is attractive to those who don't deposit with crypto because there are other options.

Btw, they have a mirror link. https://play2up.com/

Welcome to the forum. It is a quite nice feature that one can withdraw quickly without KYC. I have a question about this. Will you ask for KYC from the members who benefited from welcome bonus?

Welcome to Bitcointalk platform. You have a good casino with a striking name which just sounds like the popular 7UP but you choose the casino line which is alright. However you wrote on you OP here "no KYC" but I saw something different from it on your terms of service which requires one to undergo KYC first and it contradicts what you have here, is that a mistake or something?

I see you already have a running review, it is very good because the community would have their on input as it is them who best uses the platform so whatever they say may be much appreciated as it would add more value to the casino on the long run.

https://i.ibb.co/WvDvtBpS/Screenshot-2025-10-14-16-59-52-52-40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg (https://ibb.co/WvDvtBpS) https://i.ibb.co/zWcX44Zd/Screenshot-2025-10-14-17-01-37-35-40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg (https://ibb.co/zWcX44Zd)

I see the No KYC in the title but after you mentioned that KYC is required and written in black and white, this already is breeding ground for future  problems especially that not everyone is willing to give out their information out there because Data security can never be guaranteed!

Unless support can guarantee it here and change the writing!

Nice catch @CryptSafe

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And that proof on crypto wallet  ::) what happens when coins directly from a signature? I lose my funds ???

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Besides everything above, welcome to the forum 2UP

Welcome 2UP, you guy's are finally here, the name is unique and kind of like exchange name but then such unique domain name is need to get attention from the community, secondly nice of you guy's to offer some exclusive bonuses for Bitcointalk members and we appreciate your kind gesture.

Let work to build a visibility for this project as you have already lunced your signature campaign and now your ANN thread is live, keep up the Good job.

I hope they have active member who will be able to respond to issues as raised here because that is part of the reason they have ANN Thread such as this. The non-KYC in the title and body of their post which contradicts what is in their TOS is a big concern for most players so they need to clear the air. I notice that some of the new casinos simply copy the TOS of older casinos without proper editing which is why you see this type of contradiction. Not saying that is what happened here but there is a possibility.

Just checked your site out and it looks decent with some cool promotions though I have seen a lot better in rival sites. Lossback offers on your sportsbook from obsidian level is not appealing at all when rivals offer them at initial levels.

Also, stop advertising yourselves as a no KYC site when we all know that y'all will request KYC whenever y'all want to which is something everyone needs to keep in mind while playing here.

Welcome to the community.
I saw your r project launched an market campaign managed by Little mouse. This is a very nice approach and good steps to start with, this would bring more visibility to the casino and I believe they have come to stay considering the volume of applicants the manager wanting to take.
One thing you must know is that people, and I mean gamblers love quick support response and fast withdrawal and kyc hassle free.

Not surprising. These kinds of things are not uncommon anymore. Casinos consider and advertise themselves as "NO-KYC" as long as they don't ask for it during registration. This is why it is extremely important to read the Terms and Conditions first before doing anything. A lot of gamblers are surprised when they are asked for KYC after thinking the casino won't ask for KYC because it advertises itself as "No-KYC".

Welcome to the forum, we are happy to see you guys here. My request is that you guys should keep to all your promises to gamblers. You guys have juicy offers, your welcome bonuses are massive and your promise of airdrop in the future is really enticing.

Welcome to our community, your team made the right choice by allowing a professional manager to guide you through your introduction to this forum, we are always excited and happy any time a new casino make their way into this forum and is good also that you already started your promotion process.

We wait to see more commitments and engagement like others already mentioned and having few other contest too can help to engage direcr user's.

Success of a casino depends on the engagement that they have and with much more activities here on bitcointalk we arw going to see such traffics, since we already get some benefits on the casino as forum members.

Im asking the administration to take their deposit in case of a scam, as they currently have very bad reviews on CasinoGuru, where they steal deposits and block accounts. Apparently, they've decided to woo the last few users and pull off the scam.

I am not surprised to see another new casino using the NO KYC slogan to attract users, targeting crypto users who look to more privacy. Unfortunetly, they seem to chose the wrong platform to do so, unexpecting that someone would dig deep into TOS. I wonder why they keep this in their TOS if they have no problem acting as unprofessional, or this essential to comply with activity license.

Nice catch @cryptsafe

Op, would you explain about your activity license and how you won't force KYC procedures in your official Announcement thread, while it's clearly mentioned to complete in your tos?

Welcome to Bitcointalk!

We reviewed 2UP a few months ago - check out our GOSU review --> https://www.btcgosu.com/review/2up-casino/  :)

If the support can guarantee here to the community that the writings was a mistake it is okay but I doubt it to be a mistake because if it were a mistake on the ToS the mentioning of KYC and verification would just be few and limited and the paragraph would have been just one but here the ToS clearly stated verification and KYC mentioned many times and also some stanza of the ToS clearly was dedicated to it. It should clearly reflect here what they have on their ToS.

Even the no KYC written here was clearly captured and well presented in a way it was thoughtfully designed by OP or whomever did it. This shows that there might likely be some lapses somewhere which they need to effect corrections immediately and not make the community to think that they are being misled.

I just created an account on 2up.io. Accessing the site is very easy and straightforward, and the interface is very elegant. On the other hand, I thought I'd get free spins if I entered the code BTCTALK, but apparently not. Hahaha.

However, I briefly noticed the many supported local payment methods, one of which is Qris, which I found very fast to use when depositing with local currency.

2up.io also supports many local currencies, so it's a good target, as everyone in this part of the world can easily gamble with their respective fiat currencies.

2up.io even supports many cryptocurrencies, making it easier for us to make deposits and withdrawals.

Perhaps in the future, I'll try my luck at the slot games on 2up.io. I've already registered an account, and i might receive an airdrop in the future if we actively gamble on 2up.io. By the way, welcome to this forum, and I hope your representative is active in the ANN thread.

First of all, the terms of the casino and the 'verify' page of account settings clearly say that 2UP has the normal KYC verification rules like all other casinos with Curacao Gaming license. You have the license validator link from Anjouan though. Whatever, it is a very poor choice to do the marketing with false information.


BTW, your website is completely similar to Shuffle.com. Were you a part of Shuffle casino? Or are you inspired by them?

Here to say a warm welcome to 2up.io casino, I am yet to visit the site and sign up but will do immediately I'm done here on the forum.
I think this is possibly the very first time I am coming across a casinos that not only have provided a special bonus for bitcointalk users, but also have incentiviced their thread where those who will be active on the thread will have to get special bonus codes from time to time, this is absolutely great and I hope it is sustainable for the very long time..

And I've also seen that the casino is planning on launching her own token and will distribute it in the form of an airdrop to those who remain active and committed to playing on the casino, well, this looks very attractive to me but I will pass, if I will be gambling on this casino, it's not going to be  for the token but because I like the casino.

Now the terms and conditions have been changed; they state that withdrawals do not require KYC verification.

They also announced this on their social media.



Templates like those used in crypto casinos are quite common, but I don't know if they were inspired by Shuffle.

Shuffle is operated by Natural Nine B.V.
2UP is operated by Uponly NV.

Welcome to the Bitcointalk forum.

I check the casino and it’s a good one. I noticed that evolution gaming is not available in my country since there’s a warning note on all the evolution gaming same with pragmatic play.

I’m a live casino players so there’s nothing to play in there considering that VPN is not allowed too.

I like the bonuses especially the lucky wheel that will decide the bonus that I can get. I knew that the result is always the same maximum since I tried it on different browser.

Anybody actually win and complete a withdrawal here? I think I will try this casino today. I will update if I win.

Currently, kyc is being made mandatory in casinos that are coming to the market with a valid license. And you will see that no casino is coming to the market now saying No kyc. But this tag helps them to promote themselves quickly, so many casino sites use such tags even though the ToS of their site mentions KYC. This is basically their marketing strategy. However, resorting to such lies is not very commendable. Since their ToS has nothing to do with what they wrote in the title of their thread, they should make a change and write the correct things.

I did and I was able to withdraw. It was a decent one.
Good luck to you.

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Hi, thanks for pointing this out, we have amended the terms of service as it was outdated and did not reflect our newly updated policy. We are always open to feedback and we will try our best to improve and provide the best service possible.

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I Woodie, thank you for your feedback, we have amended the terms of service, we are sorry if this has caused any confusion.

Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "And that proof on crypto wallet  ::) what happens when coins directly from a signature? I lose my funds ??? "

I am not sure what you mean here?

Thanks

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Thanks for your kind welcome message.

We will prepare the first exclusive bonus drop for bitcointalk forum members in the coming 2 days, so please stay tuned.

The first will be a simple no requirement ( you do have to verify email, thats it) bonus code drop, you can use the money to play without a deposit, to withdraw there will be a requirement to make a deposit. More details coming in the next 2 days so stay tuned.

After the first bonus drop, we will have another coming within the next week or 2, it will involve free spins. More details to come soon.

Thanks

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Hi Justin

Thanks for your feedback.

We have amended the terms of service to avoid any confusions.

We have only launched recently and we will try our best to improve oursleves and serve everyone better, we always welcome constructive feedback like yours.

We hope the amendment has cleared the air and we will also make exclusive bitcointalk offers in the coming 2 days.

I am the active member and representative of the platform, we will be active here on the forum and try our best to answer all the questions/feedback/complaints and all. If the workload becomes too much we will try to assign a dedicated person but please do give us time to respond, we will try our best to respond within 24hours.

Thanks

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Hi

Thanks for the feedback.

We won't ask for KYC unless its something to do with fraud, multi accounting or bonus abuse.
You don't have to trust us on this, I am sure people can share their experiences here which is what the forum is about.

To be more transparent, there is no bonus scheme that is bulletproof and non-abusable, if it was super bulletproof it won't be attractive, this is the balance that we operators always have to contend with, its a trade-off.

It is also very easy to players to make multiple accounts we have our methods to detect, it may not be 100% accurate but we try our best, if all the bonus is being taken by 1 or 2 people then what does that leave for the real players, this is when we do KYC even though doing KYC itself is not going to 100% solve the problem. Case in point we will be running a free giveaway on bitcointalk soon, if someone sniped it taking all or most of it and we are able to detect it then i think most people here will agree this is when we need to do KYC. It is a benefit that we intend to share to forum users to raise awareness and let people try out our site.

We have no benefit from doing KYC as a new platform and its not our intention, we are 100000000 miles away from Stake and the other bigger brands that need to do it.

Your point on the lossback is noted. We actually offer lossback to players even before Obsidian level depending on their gameplay but we don't advertise this openly for fear of being held to it.

You can obtain Obsidian for 10% of the required XP level under our VIP transfer scheme and you also get a nice bonus, its all detailed here.

https://2up.io/promotions/vip-transfer
https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

We also offer about 26% of the edge back on originals. I don't think most of the other sites have this.
https://2up.io/promotions/2up-originals

As always we appreciate your feedback and we will strive to improve and offer more promotions that people like.

Thanks

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Thank you for your kind welcome words and feedback, we will always take it in and try to improve.

KYC we don't need to do and we amended our ToS after what others pointed out.

We have 24 hour live chat support and we also have VIP host service provided to players that only need to meet 10% of the XP levels under the VIP transfer scheme.

We try our best to approve all the withdrawals quickly, our automatic withdrawal system which should capture 95% of withdrawals is in testing phase and due to be ready sometime in November.

thanks

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Hi Acroman08

We are sorry for confusion, we have updated our ToS to reflect No-KYC and what requires KYC.

Please do stay tuned for bonus drops here and you are welcome to try our site for free.

Thank you.

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Hey liuka

Thank you for the feedback.

We are active here on the forum rest assured.

We will have a bonus code here for forum users within 48 hours.

Invitation code of BTCTALK or simply click on the banner links will allow you to have a welcome bonus offer of 200% + up to 500 free spiins. This is if you make a first time deposit and wish to take up the offer.

We will have a bonus code for you to claim that does not requrie deposit soon.

Thanks


Thank you, it would be good if we can cooperate more closely on marketing now that we have been online for couple months.

Thanks

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Hi there,

We are not sure who this person is that wrote such a review, we invite such person to contact us and we can show their back office stats here.

We actually lost more than 300K USD to bonus abusers back in July and August when our systems were not fully ready.

Later on when we catch bonus abusers playing accumulator games or force quitting when doing bonus buy to clear bonus rollover we will of course confiscate their monies.
Now we have changed our FTD Bonus so that there is designated games that are allowed to be played and payout caps. Unfortunately only 927 games out of 7000 can be played if you get the FTD welcome bonus, this is a result of bonus abusers.

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/10972967-deposit-bonus-rollover

Almost all of these restrictions are automated not manual anymore.

Nevertheless, we are happy to discuss any issues and complaints and try to resolve them in a fair way.

Thank you for your feedback. You are also welcome to get our free bonus drop to try our site if you wish to do so.

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Hi there

Actually we are inspired by stake bcgame shuffle razed betfury and some others because the navigation for crypto sites is all quite similar as players are used to the layout and all but we do have our differences for example:

1. Our welcome bonus offer
2. The way our VIP transfer works
3. We have pachinko games for Japanese players that not all other crypto casinos have
4. Our sports offering and odds are different to crypto casinos especially on handicap and total markets
5. We have different mix of languages both on the UI and for the promos and help center
6. We aim to integrate a new AI gaming provider in the coming months
7. We aim to integrate a cock fighting provider in the coming months
8. We aim to make a new feature for follow bet early next year
9. We do our bonuses and lossbacks differently

Thanks for your feedback Mahdirakib




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Welcome to the forum, the interface design is quite good and elegant. I did not experience any problems or congestion when accessing 2UP.io. On the interesting side, I saw a special BTCTALK invitation code which means it is specifically for users from Bitcointalk to enjoy the bonus. I will try it soon and have fun playing at 2UP.io.

Hi Fivestar

Stay tuned for no deposit bonus drop offer soon in the coming day or so.

Thank you kindly for your welcome message.



Hi BTCTALK invitation code will get you the 200% + up to 500 FS when you make your first deposit.

For freebie giveaways stay tuned in the coming days and weeks on this thread please.

Thanks

I'm glad to hear that, and don't forget to create an interesting contest specifically for Bitcointalk users. I'll join if there is one in the future. Does the deposit process via Qiris require additional verification? As usual, some casinos require KYC verification for transactions using local currency.

Hi,

You are right that sometimes KYC is needed by the payment processor for fiat payments.

However, in the case of QRIS, it is not required.

Deposits and withdrawals using fiat isn't as fast as crypto as we are at the mercy of the payment service provider, this is something to take note of.

Thanks

Welcome to Bitcointalk forum 2UP. :)

Kindly refrain from posting multiple times in a row. That's one of the forum rule you are breaking there. For your information, you can reply to multiple user at the same time in a single post. You don't necessarily have to make a separate post to do that. Anyway, if you don't know how, then simply ask and me or someone else will help you with the process.

We need to understand one thing about casino KYC which is that, those casinos that mentioned no KYC on their title of ANN thread but are centralized licensed casinos what their mean in operations is that you will not be ask to verify your account immediately you register the account, but you can be asked at anytime the need to verify the account arise.

We have to remember and put it at the back of our mind so that is not going to be strange to you when a casino that say no KYC now demands for your KYC documents to verify.

Yeah, there are many differences if we look into those sections which you have mentioned. But I noticed maximum similarities with Shuffle. Anyway, I have some curiosity about your sportsbook odds provider. It has some similarities with the odds provider Betby, but some other parts of the sportsbook are similar to Shuffle sportsbook.

BTW, kindly avoid making the consecutive posts. It looks like spam. It will be better if you give a reply to everyone by quoting them in a single post.

 :o Bitcointalk Exclusive Bonus – $10 Free  :o

Hello everyone, it’s been our first few days here. We’re taking every single comment and piece of feedback into consideration. Thank you to everyone who has already joined the thread.

We’ve been following the discussions and want to give all Bitcointalk members a fair chance to try 2UP. The rules are below, we hope you enjoy it!

Bonus details:
- Bonus Code: TALK10
- Value: $10
- Availability: First 100 claimers
- Rollover: None, you can withdraw subject to the withdrawal rules on no-deposit bonuses below
- Claim requirement 1: You must register by clicking on a 2UP signature banner OR register using invitation code BTCTALK when registering, http://2up.io/?r=BTCTALK
- Claim requirement 2: Email verification


How to claim your code:
 👉https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11483823-bonus-codes

Withdrawal rules for no-deposit bonuses:
 👉https://help.2up.io/en/articles/12264449-no-deposit-bonus-no-deposit-free-spins-withdrawal-rules


Further information for clarifying on withdrawal rules:

Scenario 1: You claim $10, you want to withdraw immediately without playing, you must deposit $20, then wager $100 and you will be able to withdraw your entire balance.

Scenario 2: You claim $10, you play some games and your balance becomes for example $40, you want to withdraw, you must deposit $40 and wager $200 to be able to withdraw your entire balance.

Scenario 3: You claim $10, then deposit at least $20 and opt to get the 200% welcome bonus + up to 500 Free Spins, this will override the "Withdrawal rules for no-deposit bonuses"

These withdrawal rules only apply to accounts that have never made a deposit of at least $20 before, more information in the link above.

Please let us know if you have any questions!

First off all, welcome to the forum. I think you started on a very good note and I am happy to promote responsible gambling.
Also, thank you for providing very detailed information and guide so that it is clear for everyone.
Expect more feedback from us.
Great job.

Can you be more specific? Successfully win by claiming bonus or just a regular win after deposit? Because if you are inquiring for authenticity of this casino then you are safe to assume they are good.

They are spending huge amount on their forum marketing that show their seriousness on promoting their casino.

If you are inquiring about successfully the bonus I believe it’s very rare to see that kind of achievement due to wagering requirements. Just have some fun.

Some casinos do state it clear on their ToS so that anyone registering would see it and prepare their mind accordingly and that one is different while some do not, they just get things twisted confusing the community so that they would not be blamed if anything happens.
If a casino would request for KYC upon registration, they should be able to state is clear, if they don't bother about KYC, they should state it and if they demand for KYC upon deposit and withdrawal, the should state clear so that anyone registering would know and have idea what they are up to and not trying to play smart so that they would get player assets and funds seized.

Thank you for this clear explanation. I have now tried to follow the instruction you gave and I also used the $10 free reward for those who create an account at your casino.
And of course, what usually happens with free rewards is that we shouldn't expect to win the amount we are hoping for, if we win anything at all.

That's because, as you mentioned, a deposit is still required before we can make a withdrawal transaction, even if we won a large amount,
and at the same time, we also met the required wager.

Thank you for the bonus. I've claimed it. Is this bonus valid for sports betting?
So, to make withdrawals easier, I have to deposit $20 and place a $100 bet?
This is the same as a $100 wager, but it's not a problem. If sports betting is allowed, I'll reach it.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/10/16/UMv8UI.jpeg

You are welcome to the forum 2UP casino.

Your title says No KYC of which it's not true since it's clearly stated in your ToS. I think this is misleading to people and it can also cause a future problem for customers who rushly use a casino without properly reading the casino ToS. I will like you to throw more lights on this. If your casino is a KYC casino, it's good that you state it in your hand thread or better no need to putting it as a NoKYC casino.

However, I love everything about the games in your casino especially, the cock fight. It's rare to see cock fighting game in most casinos or am I missing something. Enjoy your stay in the forum and build a good reputation for your brand.

Yes you can bet on sports as long as its fair play.

So make bets on odds above 1.5 and do not crossbet.

Thanks



Hi there, we don't do KYC for deposits and withdrawals, we only do KYC if there is fraud or multi-accounting or bonus abuse as stated in the ToS. This is the same saying no refunds but if you buy something that is not fit for purpose then you can still refund.
Having said that, their may be KYC requirements for fiat deposits on certain currencies and methods, in any case these will be made clear before you are able to deposit so you always have the option to say no thank you.

We have no intention or benefit in doing KYC for a new brand. People have mutliple ways of doing fake id buying it online and doing this and that.

We just want to let players know that in 99% of time when they play normal they will not need to supply their ID (fake or real) to deposit, play and withdraw as opposed to established brands that have other requirements.

Nevertheless if you do not believe us, you can stay tuned here and I am sure people who get asked KYC will post their experiences here.

You are welcome to try and get the 10$ free bonus to try your luck - thank you.

I'm just seeing this, which appears to be an interesting offer to me, based on the experience I had with online gambling perks.
Thank you for this offer, which will allow gamblers on this forum to try your gaming service. I hope I am not late for the party, though. Because most gamblers like something that comes for free, like this, with liberation rules.

Edit: Oh my goodness. I made to the list of the first 100 to claim the Bitcointalk exclusive $10 free bonus. The next thing is to claim the free spins before the next 24hrs.

Thank you I just finished a $20 deposit, I don't know if I failed or not to reach a total bet of $100 because my remaining balance is now only $6 LOL, but I'm a little confused about placing sports bets especially on live matches, the delay is quite long for me and sometimes the numbers show errors, for example there are two over options at the same number, I accessed it on my cellphone I don't know if it's normal to open it via PC

Thanks for the fast response. I got ths notification earlier but my hands were on something which is why I am replying your post now. I understand everything you said. Since your casino got their license from the government, you guys have no option than to follow government regulations. However, it's a norm for casinos that are NoKYC to ask for customers data based on the reasons that you mentioned above.

I have registered with 2UP casino, I am on the process of claiming my bonus. I will be done in a few minutes, I decided to reply your post first.

Welcome 2up this is another no KYC casino in theory but KYC in practical what that means is that there is inconsistency between what you wrote in the title and what is applicable from your terms and conditions.

You need to work on that part and have all corrections done, and between us nice to have you guy's around and hope things get better as time goes on.

I just claimed the bonus, and thank you for giving it to us on this forum. I'm going to try playing slots with this bonus, And I don't plan on withdrawing it until I've increased my winnings to $300. Haha.

By the way, how do I check the RTP for each slot? I often check the RTP before playing. But it doesn't matter if it's not available, because I have my favorite game, mahjong.

I see quite a lot of slot service providers available, which certainly makes it easier for us to choose games that are easy to beat.

Hi Vanesha,

If there is delay or certain issues or you would like to check withdrawal status please kindly message live support, I don't actually know your account details.


Hi liuka

You may check the RTP for each game expressed as Edge which is 100% - RTP below each game by click on the title bar name of the game, if you have further issues please contact live support. Thanks
Good Luck



Hi please advise where the inconsistency is in the terms and conditions and we will work on fixing it. For clarification

7.1. Generally, no KYC verification is required for withdrawals. The Company reserves the right to request Know Your Customer (“KYC”) documentation solely upon the identification of suspicious activity, potential abuse, or any compliance-related concerns. In such cases, the Customer may be required to provide, without limitation, proof of identity, proof of address, proof of ownership of the payment method used (including cryptocurrency wallet, bank account, or card), and any other documentation deemed necessary to verify the legitimacy of the account and associated transactions. Failure to provide the requested information may result in the suspension or denial of withdrawals. For all fair and legitimate players, withdrawals are processed quickly and without the need for KYC verification.

As mentioned previously.

If any member here has experienced KYC request from our site, please share your experience here. If somebody win from our site which they already have (from btctalk) and we ask for KYC do share the experience and will not advertise as no-kyc.

We advertise no-kyc because it cover 99% of players whether they win or lose, play big or small. The other 1% is for those that do bonus abuse, multi-accounting and other compliance related issues.

As also mentioned we advertise no-kyc to differentiate ourselves from the established crypto platforms and/or traditional ones that require KYC upon registration or upon deposits/withdrawals.

Nevertheless having said all the above, KYC is still reserved in those cases relating to fraud which I am sure don't apply to 99% of you. Just like when you go and buy goods and services and they advertise no-refunds, you can still get refunds when it is not fit for purpose.

We hope everyone can understand that we are no trying to mislead or confuse people but rather tell potential players of the characteristics that we have, and after feedback from forum posters here we have duly changed the terms of service.



Good luck!

I claimed the 10 dollars bonus from talk10 and then get the 50 spin bonus to experience the site.  Got lucky on the 50 spin bonus and triggered bonus round twice but sadly the bonus round did not go well.  On the first one I did not get past stage 1 of the bonus while on the second got to the 2nd round total win of the two is around $11. I got total of $21  from the code and free spin.

I need to wager 35x of the fund and luckily is able to move the balance to play on the other games since the access is limited to some slots only if the balance is tied to some requirements.

There are games that are lagging and some are smooth. I do no know if it was my connection or my browser but turbo mode of some games seems to halt, then after some seconds show the screens.

Overall, it is a fine experience since I have to enjoy my favorite games without spending any money, I am able to grown the balance to $150, and use it all to test different slot games.

So this isn't a true no-KYC casino at all. Then why have you been using the non-KYC slogan on the website and on this announcement thread as well? Usually don't need KYC, but you have the right. It means you may ask anytime to anyone to provide their KYC, whether the user is suspicious or not. For the cryptocurrency, you may ask for proof of wallet for security reasons. But asking for personal verification for crypto users doesn't make sense at a non-KYC casino. I really don't like giving you the advantage of the doubts.

So you allow using the same IP address upon prior notice? Like, if they are family members and have been using the same WiFi or the same device, should they be informed before starting to use it? But I think still you may block them for multi-account allegations.

Please give us the benefit of the doubt, i don't want to keep copy pasting and replying to people nitpicking about this kyc thing.
Already made it clear in ToS its for fraud, if some people feel that still does not constitute no-kyc then ok we agree to disagree.

If anyone has been requested kyc after the launch of our thread here feel free to post it.

There is nothing that is absolute and 100% these days, we covered 99% of the cases where players are playing normal.

If anyone gets asked kyc just complain here and we will change the title or remove ourselves from this forum.

Meanwhile, you can get 10$ free credit to try it out, if you win just deposit some and wager 5x on whatever originals and withdraw and see if get kyc.

We had a BTCTALK forum player withdraw many times their deposit and no kyc.

If 1000 players come without doing bonus abuse / fraud and all of them do NOT get asked kyc then i think it is ok to say no-kyc so that these 1000 players will know that we are no-kyc.

For the 1 or 2 that get asked kyc we can be transparent here as to why and in most cases 99% of people won't care here.

Those fraud and abusive players are the ones ruining the promotions for normal players.


Multi-accounting is not allowed but if they email us to explain the situation in advance then we have the right to allow it.

I appreciate that your team has made a little change in the terms by following the feedback of the forum members. Still, it doesn't make you a 'No-KYC' casino. This wording fits with those platforms only which don't even apply the KYC verification in case of suspicious activity and multi-accounting. Anyway, I just checked the VIP loyalty system of your platform. The VIP reward page says that


But none of the bonus rates are mentioned anywhere on your platform. Even I couldn't find out how much a user will get as the level-up bonus.

Most of the platforms do not provide specific values whether it is stake or shuffle or others.

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

VIP Transfer bonus amounts can be found here.

You can also play for a couple of weeks and request the stats to see your bonus relative to your wager.

The lowest incentive back for entry level bronze player is 31% of edge, if the player is unlucky it can go up to 45%
The highest incentive back for the highest level is 52.90% of edge, if the player is unlucky it can go up to 89.15%
75% of edge can be achieved for an unlucky player at Ruby1

There will also be special lossback for players that have VIP host in addition to the above.


The below is level up bonus USD value starting from silver1
0.90
0.90
0.90
1.20
4.50
3.00
3.00
3.00
12.00
15.00
15.00
15.00
45.00
30.00
30.00
30.00
90.00
120.00
120.00
120.00
540.00
300.00
300.00
300.00
900.00
600.00
600.00
600.00
2,700.00
1,500.00
1,500.00
1,500.00
10,500.00
7,500.00
7,500.00
7,500.00

This is the level up bonus starting from silver1, the formula is 3% of the edge achieved

so eg, platinum1 requires an increment of 40,000 XP from Gold 4, this means 400 in incremental edge (1% of 40,000), hence 3% of 400 = 12$

All these numbers are subject to change depending on operational circumstances but for the first 12 months we will try to provide a more aggressive incentive structure.

Furthermore we offer about 25% rakeback on the orignals promotion in addition to the standard set of bonuses above. This runs until the end of the year.
More information can be found here:

https://2up.io/promotions/2up-originals

There are also daily bonus drops on telegram for our wagering players here:

https://t.me/play2upio


I hope this can somewhat answer your question, if your looking for an excel table for all the bonuses and incentives per vip level this is something we cannot reveal at the moment but we are confident it is higher than the more established brands.

Once again thank you for your feedback.


Thanks

Welcome to the 2UP Bitcointalk forum.
This doesn't look like your typical site, given its unique name, and perhaps that's part of its strategy.
Having the ability to deposit and withdraw using IDR is a particular advantage for those of us living in Indonesia, as we don't usually get such a feature, although some do.
However, the question may arise: will 2UP eventually require KYC?
Good luck with your site.

Hi thanks for your feedback.

We will not ask for KYC for deposits and withdrawals

Only if there is bonus abuse, multi-accounting and fraud.

If any player got asked KYC please do share it here. I am confident there will not be any.

If your an Indonesian player you are welcome to use the fiat options but we do encourage crypto as its the fastest.

Thanks

Thank you for giving some hints about the possible bonus amount of 2UP VIP loyalty system. 31% of the edge is a pretty standard amount for the bronze VIP rank. Most of the casinos at least add the rakeback rate in their VIP loyalty page. Your team is offering a nice rakeback now. I hope the 2UP team will add the exact rakeback rate at least on the reward page.

The VIP rank-up bonus is too low compared to most other casinos. I doubt that users will be happy with such low bonuses. I have to wager $5k to get the first rank-up bonus, where the amount will be $0.90 only!

Welcome 2up in this biggest bitcoin forum, good to see you started it well with good ANN thread.
I would like to know about your VIP transfer program because you say that it is not just matching status but personalized bonus.
Would you mind to give an example of the personalized bonus along with all the terms of this personalized bonus?
Perhaps if there is a simple example, some players here might be interested to apply this VIP transfer program.

the vagueness of no KYC always gets to me and usually a Grey area in most casino especially their definition of suspicious activity. In my country it's possible to have an IP address with someone that isn't close to you. It's that disorganized.

@2up welcome to the forum by the way. It's a plus that you currently active. Quick question, those your casino name have any relationship with 2up option in sport bets? Where you get a quick win once the team you bet for is leading by two.

Oh men i experience same situations with one casino that i did a review for recently and i understand how frustrating it could be if when the sport booking section start lagging to load most times it could lead to losing your money real quick this issue pushed me out of the casino quite early the other day.

Hope the team will work on this issues and provide us with a good user interface that saves us time and money.

Ler hopr to see changes in that direction pretty soon, because not everyone is always on pc most sport bettors are always on mobile and betting live games events.

I wanted to use the bonus code to try out the website but I guess I'm late.  :D  I really liked the website interface. I'm going to deposit and try out the website as soon as possible. I really loved the KYC topic.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/10/18/UM5eE1.jpeg

Yeah, it seems like the promo code has reached its limit of 100 people, so it can't be claimed anymore maybe wait for another promo.

Don't forget that on X, they usually have cool giveaway events that are worth participating in who knows, you might get lucky and win.

I haven't tried withdrawing here yet. :D

No offence but this is kinda misleading/misinformation. You guys are either KYC casino or Non KYC casino. You cannot claim to be both or anything in between. It doesn't work like that mate. Because at the end of the day, you can ask for KYC regardless of the reason.

So as everyone else suggested, you should work on your ANN and remove that No KYC part. Personally I have no issue with KYC at all, but others might. So, it would be better for you guys to be transparent from the very beginning of your KYC policy.

Hi, XP is actually not the same as wagering, if you wager 100 on a 1% edge game you get 100 XP if you play a slots game with 4% edge you get 400 XP.

https://2up.io/vip-rewards

It is in the FAQ here.

Stake and Shuffle level up bonus starts at 10K Wager and 10K XP not 5K XP.

Our level up bonus use to be about 2 to 3x higher accounting for about 5% 7% of edge but our customers give us feedback that they want more in weekly bonus instead of instant rakeback or level up bonus so we had to tweak and change it.

In any case, the edge of the game is 100$, there are about 10 or 11 different bonuses and it adds up to the number i told you above, we can't satisfy everyone but we are confident that the total % back is higher than the established brands, you can just wager for a month and get the stats and compare.

Having said that we take your feedback onboard and we see how we can tweak it, also to let you know that we are making very negative NGR every month because of all the bonuses and promotions and it will likely be that way for another 6 months at least. For example, you can get an extra 26% of edge back just by playing originals, this is on top of everything we talked about. Where can you get such a deal? Stake or established brands would not give away so much.

https://2up.io/promotions/2up-originals


If you look closely below:

https://2up.io/promotions/vip-transfer
https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

You can get $7.50 in VIP transfer bonus by only getting 3,000 XP
This is essentially 25% of the edge back to you as a special bonus.

I think it is very hard to find this deal anywhere else.
You level up straight to GOLD 1

Reach out if you have other questions. I hope I answered most of your questions.


Thanks

Once again, thank you for the special bonus on Bitcointalk. I have claimed and bet, and I have tried deposits and withdrawals via USDT. The process is very instant, only the withdrawal fee is $1. This is quite reasonable. If possible, add more networks that can minimize transaction costs.
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Hey,

Thank you for the warm welcome and your inquiry.

All the details of the VIP Transfer program can be found here.

https://2up.io/promotions/vip-transfer
https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

TLDR: you can reach any level of VIP by simply wagering 10% of the original XP and you will receive 25% of the edge back as a special bonus. So eg you want to become Platinum1, the original requirement is 100,000 XP, you only have to wager to get 10,000 XP to get it.
10,000 XP is equivalent to about 100$ in theoretical edge, we will give you 25$ in bonus (no rollover requirements).




Hey, no offence taken, I hear a lot of you guys concern about the ToS, we will remove the KYC part in the ToS and hope this makes you all happy and have no more concerns with the name of no-kyc.

Nevertheless, at the end of the day a casino that says no-kyc and ToS no-kyc can still ask for it right? What I am trying to say is actual action is more important than words but we take your point and concern onboard.

We try to be transparent but doing business is more important but then we think real practical stuff is even more important, I mean, who has been asked for KYC so far? we have guys from BTCTALK deposit more than 10K in one go and winning and withdrawing less than 24 hours with no KYC.

To summarise, we will remove everything regarding KYC in the ToS even if it is fraud, bonus abuse or whatever because frankly, asking for KYC does not help at all since all the scammers and fraudsters have lots of fake id, photoshops and all.

This change won't actually affect any of our proper customers but we will change it to show that we listen to all your feedback and abide by the way you guys perceive things.

Once again , thanks for your feedbacks, it is heard, it will be changed. Last thing we want to do is to spend money to do marketing here and intentionally mislead or misinform people.

Caveat, some fiat deposit methods may require KYC but thats because of the provider, we will not ask for it when you withdrawals. And of course all crypto does not have it.





I think it is still available, if you can't claim it, it is because you did not register using BTCTALK invitation code. Please reach out to support if any issues.

Bonus code is talk10 but you must register using the above invitation code as the bonus code is exclusive for bitcointalk forum users. Also you must have verified your email.




I think it is still available, if you can't claim it, it is because you did not register using BTCTALK invitation code. Please reach out to support if any issues.

Bonus code is talk10 but you must register using the above invitation code as the bonus code is exclusive for bitcointalk forum users. Also you must have verified your email.



Hello there

See above regarding KYC vagueness please, you can rest assured we don't care about such documents.

No relation to 2up option in sports bet, what your referring to is early payout - we will roll that out in the coming months.

The reason for the name 2UP is because we will develop follow bet feature sometime next year, so 2UP means both people are up - hehe.

thanks


Hope all questions have been answered, if we missed out on someone, do let us know.

Hi Vanesha.

We will look to add more networks for USDT once we get more volume. Currently we have TRX, BSC, ERC.

https://2up.io/vip-rewards

I wanted to attach a picture screenshot but I can't find how to.

Basically you get free weekly crypto withdrawals if you reach Gold level, and you get free daily crypto withdrawals when you reach Emerald.


A tip: you can get Gold level by only wagering 3000 XP in this promotion AND you get $7.50 once you achieve it.
https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

Thanks and good luck.

By the way, we tested the mobile, the betting on live games is quite fast if your betting on the big leagues but if it is smaller leagues and live games their may be delay from provider because they need to verify the bet manually, I don't foresee that big leagues will have such issue. If the problem persists could you please kindly screen record the issue and send it to us at support@2up.io

thankyou.

I have claimed the bonus but it seems the value has decreased from $10 to $5 because I only got 50FS with $0.1 per spin, but that's okay, because I just want to try this casino, because the tagline as Non KYC is what I was looking for before making a deposit.

It seems that more than 100 people have already registered with 2UP using the invitation code, because the Bonus Code TALK10 did not work during registration and apparently this was a very profitable promotion for 2UP and bitcointalk users.
I used BTCTALK during registration and it worked. I got 50FS with $0.1 per spin and that's good start. 
The registration process itself is simple and fast, which is convenient for the user.
For the future, I would like to know if there will be any more bonus codes for bitcointalk users?

I just registered and the bonus code 'TALK10' still works fine, but make sure your account is verified first. I received $10 from the code.
However, some of you mentioned free spins. I registered using the link with the 'BTCTALK' code, but I don't see any free spins in my account.
How can I check properly to make sure if I got them or not?

At least you still received 50 FS (Free Spins), which means you still got to experience playing their casino. It looks like I was included in the first 100 people they mentioned,
and I immediately received $10.

I also tried using this $10 to play slot games, and that $10 actually turned into $30 because I won several times on the slots, but in the end, I still lost.
However, it's fine because I at least enjoyed the casino.

Please point me to this link for this so that I don't miss out on it.

Thank you

First, register and don't forget to enter the code BTCTALK. After you've completed registration, you can enter the bonus code TALK10, which you'll see on your profile avatar. However, it seems to have expired. If there's a new code, enter it immediately. At least you already have an account now.

Hey Everyone

I will try to answer everyone altogether.

The rules or procedure for getting the 10$ bonus is detailed on the second post of this thread, please do check it out.

Some clarifications:

1) The free 10$ bonus is still available, you must satisfy 2 criteria: first is you register using BTCTALK as the invitation code, second is that you verify your email.

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/12264449-no-deposit-bonus-no-deposit-free-spins-withdrawal-rules

Please do note the rules on making withdrawals if you have not made a deposit and you have claimed a bonus.


2) There are reports of players getting free spins, you get free spins of up to 500 FS if you make a deposit and elect to get the 200% welcome bonus + Free spins, this is optional and the rules for welcome bonus and free spins is detailed here:

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/10972967-deposit-bonus-rollover
https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11891355-free-spins


1) and 2) are independent of each other.

As a tip, If you are going to do 2) you should do 2) first, if you can't finish the rollover THEN you get 1) because you won't be subject to the no deposit withdrawal rules since you have already made a deposit.

Another tip, if you don't want to make a deposit first but want to try playing to see your luck first then just get 1), play, if you get lucky and win and you want to withdraw then follow the rules for no deposit withdrawal since the wagering on that is much easier to satisfy.

In any case, these are for players to try out our platform and experience it.

Good luck to all.

I didn't notice that 2UP is also boosting the XP based on the house edge of the game. This is indeed a great thing, and I believe many gamblers like this part. Recently, I have experienced the same method for the VIP rank calculation in another new casino (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5560194.msg65846214#msg65846214). And my experience is very positive in that casino with the bonus rates, they are still offering a good rank-up bonus to the users despite having better bonus rates. Anyway, it is good for 2UP if most of the users are happy with the current rank-up bonus rates.

I liked that you are replying to the inquiries of this forum members with long details :).

Looks like you're right and that's my fault cause I didn't confirm my email first. Anyway I got spins and I won aboyt 9 dollars.
You can see you're spins at right top of the panel where the gift icon is displayed, you will see the “spin” button below it.
You have one day to do this, so it is best to do it today.

I just tried 2up casino with the Talk10 promo code. I received $10 rewards which was exclusive for BitcoinTalk forum user's. . It was user friendly UI , easy to find the games. Which was impressive to me that, I can choose any local currency to play with . It will automatically convert ny usdt into the local currency in game currency. Which is actually pretty awesome to me. They also support Fiat currency withdrawal option. But there is only few listed rn. I hope they will add more fiat currency withdrawal option in future.

For bonus , you need to 5x wagering to withdraw which isn't bad. Actually it's the best deal I've ever seen so far for a casino. 5x isn't that much to a regular gambler. It's like they are giving freee money for trying their casino haha. Must try.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/10/20/UMbBDW.jpeg

Ok great thanks for your feedback, we will try to see how we can tweak the level up bonus.



Glad you enjoyed it. Good luck

I just explored a few, and surprise there is Indonesian language able to change. So far all smooth when i try all the menu.

you are lucky still get the promo code, I just tried and got invalid. Seem like has surpassed 100 people.

I am a little late everywhere  :D
Welcome to the forum, 2up. I didn't notice your private message on Telegram that you sent on 20th September. Good to see you here, and the campaign you launched with an experienced campaign manager. I think I agree with the people who are showing concern because of the KYC-related terms. I understand it is hard for a casino and sportsbook to operate the business without requesting a KYC due to the abusers.

But then, you should not write No-KYC in the title. One of my clients was there, saying they are no-KYC, but they actually require KYC from players who have suspicious behaviour. I understand the KYC is not mandatory for everyone, but you will find abusers who will use this title as their argument. Good luck!

I do not know why many of us here are so hooked on the word No KYC, are any of us planning to be dubious in playing on the platform?  As far as I understand it, as long as the account doesn't act suspiciously, the casino won't demand KYC, thus the word NO KYC for regular players.

KYC is used to resolve issues, and I think the casino can't avoid implementing it if some cases arise in the future.  It is also a good thing for players in case they are really clean, but the system tags them as multi-accounting.  It is a way to identify the distinction of the account being suspected as the same owner. I agree with what you stated, abusers will always use this as their argument.

Mate , you are offering 1.78-1.78 and 1.80-1.80 odds on 80% of the betting matches offered on 2up.io
How are you expecting people to use a site that offers odds and lines with such huge vig applied on them?

Of course I don't expect the highest odds on the market (something like 1.91-1.91) but atleast make each handicap like 1.83-1.83 like most sites are offering.
1.79-1.79 is just criminal by the bookmaker's side...

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Thanks to 2up.io for giving such a nice bonus. ;D
Really Awesome Bonus.. claimed just right now..

After getting such a nice bonus, I didn't delay in placing bets on my favorite Premier League games.
I also shared my bet slips so anyone could follow the tips and win some bets for free. ;)

Good luck & looking forward to the next bonus round.

2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102213001330003&modal=sportsbet
2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102213001480001&modal=sportsbet
2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102213001180002&modal=sportsbet

That is the main point here. The title doesn't say No-KYC for regular players. It directly states 'No-KYC Crypto casino,' which is somewhat misleading, considering the casino reserves the right to request a KYC. As I said in my previous post, I had a client who did the same, and some abusers used this to back their arguments. They said the casino claims to be No-KYC, we placed bets on the sportsbook, and now they are asking for a KYC. They are scammers, bla bla bla.

So, I suggested that my client remove the No-KYC part, and they followed my suggestion. Even if you are not going to ask for a KYC from regular players, you cannot blame them for requesting the removal of the No-KYC part, as the title contradicts their own terms and conditions.

2Up is not the only casino that promote their services with the title no KYC crypto casino, few others are also using that term to introduce their casinos and what we should understand is that we can't entirely blame the casinos since in reality, for any gambler who is willing and operates within the acceptable roles of the casinos they will never have reason to go through KYC verifications.

Let move away from demanding for clarity from this casinos about their no KYC nature when we already know how they operate, what we need is to abide and act within the acceptable means to keep our account secured and safe.

I used to blame the casino owners for such misleading statements and titles, but after getting involved with the work inside online crypto casinos, I understood that it’s a bit hard to offer the No-KYC features when the casino is already running under license contracts with strict rules of asking player for the KYC whenever they suspect a violation of their rules or triggering the suspension of money laundering or cheating.
Either way, myself as a regular gambler before being involved in any casino, I rarely pass the KYC protocol just by deposit average amounts.

2UP casino is fun and I enjoyed playing with the free Bonus code. I will surely go back for a new test and share my experience. Everything looks good so far.

You're right, sir. Sometimes we don't pay close attention, Believing what they say is real or doesn't require kyc. However, they can sometimes ask for kyc when there a problem.

So, anyone who wants to gamble with a casino that claim to be KYC free should carefully read their terms to avoid disappointment.
Therefore, a casino that offers advantages on Its platform must be able to defend them well, otherwise they won't violate their promises.
However, each casino has its own advantages, and we greatly appreciate what they offer, making it easy for us to gamble at their casino.

I believe many of us misinterpret/misunderstand the concept of "NO KYC" in legal terms.  The No KYC policy is for the convenience of players who abide by the rules and ToS of the casino.  But once this players breach the contract of ToS they then be subjected to KYC.  It is legally right and does not override or contradict the No KYC policy of the casino. Since casino violators forfeit the protection of the No KYC  policy.

So as I said, NO KYC policy does not mean the casino will not follow the AML, its terms of service, and its fraud prevention policies.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/10/22/UmX6AI.png

I opened an account on 2up.io yesterday, claimed the bonus without any deposit and played. Today I also made a deposit, the funds reached my account within 1 minute of depositing, very smooth.

So far, they have not asked me to provide any KYC-related data. I have placed some bets which are still unsettled. As soon as they are settled, I will withdraw and let you know how the withdrawal experience is without KYC.

I also talked to the support, and what I understood is that they do not ask anyone to do KYC except cheater bots. If someone opens multi accounts and abuses the bonus, they only ask for KYC as proof for those cheaters; besides this, it is a non-KYC casino.

Good thing you posted about the no deposit bonus if you didn’t, I wouldn’t have known about it.
Reading around really pays off blessings come when you least expect them.. lol

I already redeemed the free $10 and placed it on NBA market.. Too bad there’s no bet builder, but it’s fine since it’s no-deposit bonus. At least they have NBA player props, so it’s still good. Hoping to win something with that free $10.. GL to us.

We were not talking about Betpanda; we are currently on the 2UP.io thread. You actually cannot even blame the abusers until they are proven. Anyone can question your business if you claim to be a NO-KYC casino, but later ask for a KYC. Probably the casino would ask for KYC only if they suspect anyone of abusing their platform. However, the reality is that those people will never admit to having violated any rules.

So, if they want to stay clean and avoid arguments, they should make everything clear and not give any chance to the abusers to talk about shit. But yeah, it is up to the casino how do they want to operate their business.

I made a deposit today, played some slot games, and when I wanted to withdraw, I was quite surprised to see a 6,000 satoshi withdrawal fee, and it's free for VIP Gold Level 1.
Very unfortunate for small players. Perhaps 2up could consider lowering the withdrawal fee, as this might be a factor for players considering playing here.

Regarding the point you're making, I probably support your suggestion to just remove the NO-KYC rule. At the very least, if that term is no longer read by the gambling community
here on this forum, then perhaps we won't have any more arguments to debate about this matter.

Because honestly, it leads to misinterpretation here, which is bad for us, the community, and at the same time, it's also bad for the casino itself,
as it has a negative effect on the reputation it's building here, to be honest.

Exactly, that is the point. You should always read the terms and conditions by yourself instead of hearing what others say about the casino. I personally feel like it is misleading if a casino claims to be a No-KYC casino, but later they say they reserve the right to ask for a KYC. It is very much legal and nothing wrong if a casino asks for a KYC. They reserve the right to ask for a KYC. But I do not like the misleading marketing strategies.

There are some casinos that claim to offer no-deposit bonuses. However, when you claim the bonus and play the free spins, they will require you to deposit to complete the wagering requirements. Most casinos actually allow players to wager with the bonus funds, but some require you to make a deposit. This is not a "NO deposit" bonus, right?

Although the title says NO-KYC, the casino's terms and conditions clearly state that “we reserve the right to request documents/KYC at any time.” This is common practice for most licensed casinos.

This isn't the first or second time an ANN title claims NO-KYC—it does seem misleading, but the product they initially offer doesn't require KYC.

Perhaps it's like this: even though the ToS isn't entirely NO-KYC, the casino still strives not to request KYC from anyone as long as they play safely without violating the ToS.

Thank you so much for pointing me to that mistake, I was carried away to mentioned betpanda instead of 2up casino, the reasons betpanda came to mind is because their also have same title as no KYC casino and have raisen similar concerns and questions as to why their ask for KYC when the title States no KYC.

Many times we need to accept the reality at hands that, some business use tearms that they feel is accommodating to potential customers, even though in reality it may hurt but them and the client if anything goes wrong along the line of business.

That means you don't pay much attention to what is happening on this thread because I posted about claiming the no deposit bonus on 2UP last week, which I believe is an interesting offer for every gambler on this forum to feel the gaming service of 2UP before making a deposit.
Another thing i like about the casino is the playing now for a chance to be eligible for their upcoming airdrop, and the platform's automatic withdrawal.

Definitely, a lot of potential users are definitely going to avoid this casino not for anything else but the for such minor things like the withdrawal fees, most especially those small gamblers who usually withdraw in small amounts of money..

This is a new casino still that is currently trying to gain some market share in the gambling industry, most gamblers who were already gamblers before now already have casinos they are gambling, and if they must leave that casino for 2up, there must be a good reason but when they can't find any good reason to ditch their old fav casino for this one, they are only going to come around here (probably), try this casinos with so small amount of money and then return back to their previous casino.

Most big casinos have almost withdrawals that is almost transaction fee free, it will do 2up a lot of good if they consider lowering their withdrawal fees.

This may be a new casino, but yesterday and also last night, checking this casino's activity seemed quite active, as I saw the list of top winners and last bets. I agree with you being active gamblers when you want to play at other casinos to see what you can get, hopefully there will be good developments not only about the withdrawal fee.

Yes, I know this because I have two clients who operate their businesses similarly. One of them came to the forum with the title NO-KYC, which created some chaos in the forum, and some abusers use this reason to justify the casino, and they argue that they saw the casino was NO-KYC. Later, with my suggestion, the casino removed the NO-KYC part from their announcement thread to avoid future forum drama regarding KYC.

I have another client who operates their business similarly, and the designer wanted to add No-KYC. But even before they launch their signature campaign, I asked them to remove the No-KYC part from the signature code. It's because I also think it is somewhat misleading, even though the TOS says the casino reserves the right to ask for a KYC.

As a new casino, I think it is good to offer a promotional free withdrawal transaction fee for a limited amount of time.  This will not only prevent users from shying away from the casino service but will also attract player who has issues with withdrawal fees.

I agree that as an emerging casino, 2UP.io must offer something that players can't resist, and offering a free withdrawal is one of them.



Yes, it is the way I understand how the No KYC Policy is implemented. It is because the NO-KYC Policy does not override the TOS, the AML, and the anti-fraud system.  The No KYC Policy is offered for the convenience of the player, but is forfeited once the player is suspected of breaching the other policy.  I believe this is the best a licensed casino can offer to its players when it comes to no KYC procedures.

You're right. The activity in the casino site is quite active, it indicates large number of gamblers. It is a good indicator for a new casino that many people have big interest joining the casino site. I'm sure there will be always further development in the future. Just wait for the update of the development progress!

It may be caused the KYC will be required for a certain case only. So, they assume, they actually don't ask for KYC if it is not related to a certain case. I think there is no problem to put "No-KYC" in the title. But it should have an explanation about its possibility for certain cases. This explanation can be added in the thread.

I just created an account and tried to claim the $10 bonus but it seems the offer has already expired as it says "bonus code invalid". Unfortunately, I wasn’t fast enough!

6k sats is almost $6 at current rates and I agree with you that it is too much for a withdrawal fee. It’s not going to be convenient for those who intend to make small withdrawals knowing that the minimum withdrawal amount is 30k sats. I hope they will consider lowering it a bit more given the network status allowing fast confirmation even for transactions paying 1st/vb.

Withdrawal fee is just minimal feature which gambler looking forward since the majority of crypto casino charge fee even the big brand.

Only Sportsbet and sister company is the casino that doesn’t charge withdrawal fee but the rest charge a fee based on the average network fee.

I believe fast withdrawal and VIP benefits is crucial aspect of the casino.

Well, it is up to the casino and its management. If they believe they can handle all the questions from forums and social media, and if they are prepared for potential accusations of scams, then it is fine. They have some points, and the accuser will have some points as well. I don't want to see any of them getting into trouble with some of the forum trolls who have been around for a while and extorting the casinos.

It is fine as long as the rules are already mentioned in the terms and conditions page, and the user signs up, accepting the terms and conditions.

All players will be happy when 2UP.io doesn’t charge a withdrawal fee, but it will not be optimal if they cut another feature to cover other gains. So I think, if the withdrawal fee becomes a problem, another platform like an exchange, will also experience the same thing. Of course, the big players certainly don't mind that, but perhaps its implementation needs to be considered for a small-stakes players.

There are very limited online casinos which accept cryptocurrencies and waive withdrawal fees for their users.

By withdrawal fee waiving policy, 2UP makew its brand as one of some casinos are ready to cover on chain transaction fees in processing withdrawals for users. This policy in short term can make their platform more attractive and gain some users, hopefully considerable users, but in long term, they must be careful.

On some blockchains with expensive on chain transaction fees, I think it is better if they apply a flexible and dynamic withdrawal fee policy.

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I made a deposit this past week and tried the site, but not a good experience w.r.t bet settlement

I made a LIVE bet on map 1 of a CS2 match , and it was only settled after the full series was over with 2 more maps played

For comparison i made a bet on map 2 on another site, with the same odds provider and they settled it instantly after map 2

These days every site uses the same provider- betby, so i think its possible some 'rule' put in place by 2up to not settle bets after full series is over, even for already won bets

Did not withdraw so no experience on that, but slow bet settlement put me off away highly from this site

just my 2c

Made a 250usdt deposit yesterday.
Made 3-4 bets (combo and single bets) and wagered over 300usdt on live casino BJ and now I wish to withdraw 280USDT.
I got the error :" withdrawals are prohibited for this user" ;D ;D
So I can''t withdraw and no one is telling me the reason for this nor is helping me resolve this.
Live chat support stopped answering to me 1hour ago while the agent is still live on the platform ,as shown in the chat.

I should had expected it probably and I leave my experience here as a suggestion to deposit only JOKE amounts on fresh newly promoted sites that are very likely to SCAM you in whatever way they see fit.

Regards fellas!

Can you DM me your username?

Hi, thanks for your feedback,

We updated the terms of service

7. Withdrawals
7.1. KYC will not be required for withdrawals.

Even we suspect fraud we won't ask for it.



Hi, thanks for your feedback,

We updated the terms of service

7. Withdrawals
7.1. KYC will not be required for withdrawals.

Even we suspect fraud we won't ask for it.





Hi, please consider using USDT trx or bsc, those have the lowest.

Alternatively you can get gold by joining vip transfer

https://2up.io/promotions/vip-transfer

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

You only need to wager and get 3000 xp (which is 10% of the orignal) AND you get back $7.50 in cash rewards (which is 25% of the edge).

It is a good deal you won't find elsewhere. So you can then technically save on whatever coin/token you want to withdraw.

Thank you for your feedback, i think most people is talking about BTC withdrawal fee, we don't have much traffic in it and we have not reviewed it, we have just changed it to 0.00002 BTC, it will take effect soon.



Hi thanks for your feedback.

All areas related to KYC and identification have been removed from the Terms Of Service.

If anyone has been asked for KYC for fraud or withdraws, please post it here.



This is not true, please read the ToS and see above.



There is no KYC period.

ToS have no KYC

If anyone got asked for KYC please share your experiences.




As mentioned above, I will re-write it here.

Hi, please consider using USDT trx or bsc, those have the lowest. Withdraw fee is 1 USD

Thank you for your feedback, i think most people is talking about BTC withdrawal fee, we don't have much traffic in it and we have not reviewed it, we have just changed it to 0.00002 BTC, it will take effect soon.

Alternatively you can get gold by joining vip transfer. Gold have free weekly withdraws, Emerald has daily free withdrawals, any token.

https://2up.io/promotions/vip-transfer

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11456327-vip-transfer-promotion

You only need to wager and get 3000 xp (which is 10% of the orignal) AND you get back $7.50 in cash rewards (which is 25% of the edge).

XP is edge adjusted, so if you play slots with 4% edge you only need to wager 750$.

It is a good deal you won't find elsewhere. So you can then technically save on whatever coin/token you want to withdraw.

Another reason to try is you get back 26% of the edge back on originals, you won't find this elsewhere too and our Japanese players are taking advantage of this big time.

https://2up.io/promotions/2up-originals



Please see above regarding withdrawal fee. We believe charging 1 usd for USDT withdrawals is same as stake and binance and lower than other brands such as shuffle. 70% of the players actually use this. If there is a particular coin you guys feel is too high let us know and we will adjust.

You can easily get free withdrawals weekly or daily, check the above replies in this post please.




Hi

We have many promotions that I listed above.

In short, 25% back edge for vip transfer, only 10% xp needed
26% back on originals edge

https://2up.io/promotions

Others, feel free to browse.


Thank you for your feedback, i think most is talking about BTC withdrawal fee, we don't have much traffic in it and we have not reviewed it, we have just changed it to 0.00002 BTC, it will take effect soon.




Thanks for you feedback

Hi there, thank you for the feedback.

Our eSports is not top notch and all the issues you wrote are correct, the settlement speed is not good.
This is because we are using our sports provider to do eSports at the moment.

We don't use Betby.

The good news is we are in the process of integrating Oddin Esports and it should be ready by the end of the year.

After integrating Oddin, it will be much better as they are regarded as number 1 for esports. We will aim to provide tight spreads too.

Thanks and sorry for your experience on esports.

We hope you can try some other products in the meantime.



Your account was automatically frozen and paused by our sports provider because you made 3 sports bets on:

Romania womens basketball game, the price from the provider did not move in time and you captured -1.5 when the market was -7.5.

Another match was second level state football in Indian state of Meghalaya called Shilong league where your bet timing was flagged as late betting so you had faster flow of info than when the prices changed.

Another was Parlay bets on swedish third division.

When the sports provider sends us information that an account has issues, it will be frozen pending review, so that no further bets can be made hence causing issues.

The review has already been finished and your account is back to normal meaning you can withdraw your funds.

However, our sports provider have adjusted your bet sizes.

The bets you made above have all been settled as originally were.

You are welcome to play casino games anyway you like.

We are sorry it took time to review.

Thank you for your feedback.

Good to know this that you have cleared the doubts about the KYC and also you will not ask for it in case you suspect something unusual. While there are others no KYC casino that will ask you for KYC anytime so that's something new and better you are focusing on.

However, i have a query that lets suppose you detect a person with multiple account (if multiple accounts aren't allowed). How will you be able to resolve / know if the account holder has one account or multiple without KYC ? Also there are other cases, where in order to resolve any conflict or issue, you may need KYC to verify details etc, how will you handle such situations ?

I recommend you for not sharing player's betting data without his/her permission, especially when everything is settled. BTW are you saying you found him guilty of  'having faster flow of info' ?
and still you let him cashed out and he is allowed to play (with reduced limits)?
IMO, It will set a bad precedent (if true) and might cause bigger problems in future. I thought you completed the investigation and found that nothing wrong was happened on behalf of the player in question. 

Thanks for your response, i am surprised by your honesty and will definitely try 2up again

Will keep following to see when new esports is up, goodluck!

It's great news for our Bitcointalk community; we often want to avoid KYC hassle. But everything should be smooth; you shouldn't face any other issues like account lock. I am afraid, as you said, even you won't ask KYC for suspected fraud. I don't think you can keep your promise; if you can, then probably you have to prevent suspected frauds.

I think the information shared isn't confidential; if the information breaks the privacy, then it shouldn't be shared publicly. When raising a concern, then it's good to share some data that would clear the confusion, except confidential data.

Good to hear the news that 2UP does not require any KYC despite suspicions this is one of the good statements the crypto community is looking forward to...

About money laundering 2UP has its own rules...
Maybe 2UP will classify which money laundering and which other abuses. https://2up.io/policy/aml-ctf
But so far I hope there is no problem on the forum.

Hi there, we won't ask for KYC because KYC does not help since professional fraudsters can just get/buy multiple real people to do KYC and/or have fake docs.

We use a number of tools, both self made and from third party to detect if people are using multiple accounts.

The bottom line is whether your guilty or innocent we won't ask for KYC.




Theres no data, i just gave background as to the type of bets, its like saying you played pragmatic play slots that was made 3 years ago. The person chose to make a complaint on the forum, if I just give a Fortune500 response of saying no comment or the person is able to withdraw without providing extra information  people will say I am not saying anything. I am trying to address the issue and provide factual information for people here so they can judge by themselves if 2UP is good, bad, or a scam.

I find it hard to answer your questions if you've answered it already. I will explain it like this and see if you can understand, maybe your a pro sports bettor maybe you are not, this I have no idea so I don't know how to answer and I don't want you to be upset or think I am insulting you, so I try my best here but please just read it and we will respect your opinion because sports is not always black and white as you can see recently there are sports betting scandals, even NBA (I am going off track a bit).

We provide markets for players to bet, our handicap and totals for the big leagues are generally 8 to 10cents wide so about 2.5% edge or so.

When players bet they should be betting on a price that reflects all of the information that has happened in the real world, most of the time this is true especially for big leagues where information flow is abundant. In small obscure leagues, such information is not there, there could be a person at match that has faster information, eg, they see the goal or they spot a foul 1 second before the referee blows the whistle in the penalty area or something etc... and immediately places the bet or tells someone to. There are times when someone is injured or basketball shots are made during the final stages of the match that heavily influencers the market price.

What I am trying to say is, if a person bets on a market or team where all that information is reflected in the price then there is no issue, we had a btctalk player bet 10K USD on a match in premier league and win and we paid him out instantly his withdraw without KYC.

However, there are some players out there who seek to exploit sportsbooks where the pricing is wrong, unfortunately, sportsbook is different to trading crypto or stocks, it is not as efficient.

This is why you see Stake and BC.GAME (betby) and other crypto brands do not provide super good odds on even the big leagues or the smaller ones.

We as a newcomer try our best to provide better odds similar to Asian fiat sportsbooks (check the premier league sponsor shirts for the past decade) to compete but we face the same issues.

Hence we had to remove a lot of the smaller leagues because it is these smaller leagues that a lot of these inefficiencies arise and frankly most recreational players don't bet on Romania or Swedish second third tier basketball soccer womens....

We wanted to offer all the leagues but its just not feasible given the above.

Stake only gives higher limits to their VIP players exactly for the above reason.

We still let him cash out / withdraw, whether you think it sets bad precedent or something we respect your opinion.

Thank you rohang!



Hi there, thanks for your feedback.

All I can say is doing KYC doesn't help us and if it makes our customers happy whether in practice or in the ToS, we will abide by it.

You don't need to worry about KYC here.





Hey, thanks for your feedback.

We won't ask for KYC, you don't need to worry at all, its easier to return the money than ask for KYC and have this forum blow up about KYC issues.

Please, we don't care about your identity, we just running a simple site with games of chance and sports events for people to have fun. This is what we mean by NO KYC.

Good luck, hope you try us out.

Early next month we throw out some Free Spins for forum members to use. - NO KYC NO DEPOSIT NEEDED.

Thank you for taking my suggestion into consideration and deciding to lower the fees for bitcoin withdrawals. I understand that there aren’t many users who make bitcoin deposits/withdrawals, but this doesn’t mean the fees shouldn’t be adjusted whenever the network conditions change (regardless of how many users are using it). The new fee rate (2k sats) looks way more acceptable.

btw, thank you for being active and taking the time to respond to all members’ concerns.

You are welcome sir and thank you for suggesting it.

By the way, is there some tool or API I can use to monitor the current/updated price for network charge for BTC and other networks?

Would you mind letting us know what odds provider 2up.io is using?
Your odds and offer is quite unique compared to other sites ( thank god you are not one of these newly launched sites that just take odds from scammers BetBy) so I would really like to know where you takes the odds from if that's alright.

Also I did receive my withdraw of 280usdt today so whoever saw my previous comment and helped(?) me out , I thank you.
I still don't understand the reason I got limited to 1 USDT though ,after 5 bets , 1 of them winning and all the rest losing (with quite a bit of BJ action too) but that's up to the risk department I guess.

The policies at 2up.io are quite good, as they offer no KYC requirements and no withdrawal fees. These two advantages are crucial for gamblers, as they eliminate the hassle of submitting personal documents for KYC, and withdrawals are free of charge.

Features that benefit gamblers will undoubtedly have a positive impact on 2up.io, as newcomers will continue to join the casino due to the benefits it offers its users.
This way, 2up.io will become a casino with a rapidly expanding platform, as the team works diligently to address any issues.

Well, I was relying on the comments in this thread and did not check the TOS page by myself. I checked it myself after your reply, and I was surprised to find that I did not find anything related to KYC except for what you mentioned in your post. So, I don't understand why users started complaining that the use requires KYC. I see that 2up may train its employees regarding KYC/AML policies, which is completely fine.

Thank you for your response and for clearing your position regarding the KYC discussion in this thread. So all the comments in this thread regarding KYC and No KYC are now wasted. LOL. Good luck 2up.io, +1 for the response.

Hi Sir,

Our sports provider have algorithm to detect bets at certain times that cause undue risk which we are not comfortable with especially on the lower tier leagues. We are in the process of removing a lot of them but it will take time.

We don't use Betby is all I know, the exact one I don't know.

We have good odds on the top leagues usually 8 to 10cents wide on totals and handicaps.

As I mentioned before, once the sports bet have issue the account is paused to prevent further bets and further issues, once we reviewed it we reactivated it. It has nothing to do with you winning or losing.

Your account is totally normal on casino if you wish to play games there.

Bet limit on sports apply unless your casino betting activity deems you a normal player or you contact customer service to explain your bets and play more on big leagues.

Having all your bets on second third tier womens and mens competition in Romania Sweden and i think India is tough.

Thank you.




Thank you , we are happy to hear feedback and address them promptly when we can.




Thank you Mr God of Thunder, good luck sir!

The absence of KYC is actually a significant advantage of 2UP.io.
Although the very existence of KYC when playing with cryptocurrency is quite peculiar, because if you need to place bets, you can play at national betting offices, where identity verification is immediate, whereas people come to crypto for anonymity.
It's good that a casino representative answers users' questions here, which is important to many and I'm glad that the situation with
CoffeeSipper64 was resolved successfully.

Unfortunately, I haven't been as lucky with my winnings as CoffeeSipper64, but the website and the casino itself work well, everything is simple and clear, and I have no complaints about the casino's operation.

dont play here,  They stole 500$ from me today and will not allow me to withdraw.

After betting today on 1 tennis match this is what I am told in chat:

After a full review by our Risk & Compliance team, your account was found to be involved in irregular or coordinated betting activity that violates our platform’s Terms and Conditions.
​
As a result, your remaining balance has been confiscated in accordance with our policies, and the decision has been confirmed by management.
​
Please note that this decision is final and cannot be reversed.


Anyways thats a total pile of crap I think most people are starting to understand this scam tactic casinos use to keep peoples money.   

I will remove this if you ever pay me / posting in scam accusation board also

username: 2upbettor

I am not taking any sides here but I do not think that this is enough to jump into conclusion of calling them a scam. The story doesn't seem to be enough to give us a full and clear picture of what really happened.
Again, I am not taking sides just stating the obvious facts.
I hope this is resolved in a amicable way.

someone from the website should address the issue, i asked them too in chat ( I have kept the transcript) and they just repeated what I said above, again I actually had no issues withdrawing from this place until today and now all of a sudden I am breaking their terms and conditions somehow.  I would love to know more about it, this seems to be the go to way for shady casinos to steal money.

Buddy, you cant just come here and make a baseless accusation on the brand the team spent a lot to build there, when there's a way to about it on this forum.
According to your posting history, you have accused at least 2 casinos. Have you asked yourself, maybe the problem is you? Have you read the gambling platform rules, regulations, and other policies?
You shouldn't tell people not to use the casino until they are proven guilty, since their service is genuine and fair so far.

You are free to create scam accusation thread in the appropriate board here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
Try to follow the format given in the pinned topic so it will be noticed by most members that you are serious with your accusation and maybe there will be some helps from other reputable members in this forum.
What you did here just by writing a complaint without any proof will be likely ignored as it should be, because accusation should be followed by evidences.

Hi there, whoever you are, maybe you are the same person as random33, we don't know and don't care.

I hope you never delete your post so that everyone can see who you are and who we are. And also for people similar like you to please stay away and do not ruin it for the 99% of people that want to have fun. Cause if you do stuff like this, next time we not only deduct your winnings we will confiscate your entire balance. In fact we still allowed you to withdraw more than your deposit.

I will summarise here:

1) Your bets are concentrated on ITF and Challenger Tennis matches, in fact 85% of the value of your bets are on such matches.

2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102413001930019&modal=sportsbet
2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102413001930017&modal=sportsbet
2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102413001930016&modal=sportsbet
2up.io/sports/home?betid=2025102413001930015&modal=sportsbet

These are a few snippets.

2) These matches have been flagged for betting anomolies and are highly suspected of match fixing, we don't know where you get your tips on such obscure matches, we don't care suffice to say it is highly suspicious.

3) Our sports provider in association with other providers spotted these anomolies and raised the issue.

4) As mentioned in a previous thread we are in the process of removing lower league and obscure matches, there are thousands of them we need to remove manually because the feed is via api. All thanks to people like you. It will take us 24 to 48 hours to completely remove them, unfortunately we won't be able to offer lower leagues for normal players.

5) All your posts on the forum have been accusations and issues against crypto casinos, you made about 10 posts and have accused BC.GAME, Duck Dice, Winna and 2UP of scamming you, you have not made a single constructive post or perhaps you have multiple accounts.... It is like we all spend millions of dollars to create a platform to steal your 500$ in winnings when we detect issues and anomolies with your betting.

6) Maybe they track your IP here or maybe you use VPN here or on our sites and the below people they will ask why/how you bet on these matches in concentration some time in the future - we don't know.

7) https://sx.bet/ With your behaviour i recommend you bet here - oh but maybe they don't offer tier 5 games on tennis and other fixable/problematic matches but you can try, at least you will never an issue with payout. You tried bcgame, duckdice, winna and 2up and they all don't work for you .maybe its time to try a different type of venue or platform? Or have you not been able to find a single platform that you like? Or do you try us because we are new and you think you can get away with stuff like this? Have you tried stake and shuffle and sportsbet.io they are all big places.

8) Finally, according to your own admission to customer support: "I bet on the match somewhere else and they payed me for it, your going to have a hard time not looking like scammers on this one...." Why would a normal player spread out their bet on such a small obscure tennis match ? Is it because you know your doing something fishy so you spread your risk/size? Would you like to elaborate which sportsbook took your bets and payed you for it? Since you found a goldmine it would be great to just play there? Or no other place offered the match? Or you didn't place it in another place? Care to share the betslip like I did above?


We are not perfect, we whould not offer such match but it is hard to control when there are thousands of matches so we will do bigger sweep as per point 4 above to avoid / reduce people like you.



Boring details below we get from our sports risk provider.

Suspicious Betting Alerts in ITF Tennis (Aug 2025 – Present)
Overview of Recent Integrity Alerts
Since August 2025, multiple lower-tier ITF tennis matches have drawn suspicion for potential match-fixing due to irregular betting patterns. The International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) reported a surge of match alerts in late 2025 – for example, 26 suspicious betting alerts in Q3 2025 alone【2†L Fifty【2†L59-L67】】. Most of these alerts came from the sport’s lower levels: ATP Challenger events and ITF World Tennis Tour 15K/25K tournaments accounted for a majority of the flagsigamingexpress.comitia.tennis. (By comparison, only one alert in that quarter involved a top-tier event – the US Openigamingexpress.com.) Each alert indicates unusual betting activity that could signal corruption, though ITIA stresses that an alert “is not evidence of match-fixing” on its ownitia.tennis. Unusual odds movements can arise from non-nefarious factors like player injury, fatigue, or mispriced oddsitia.tennis. However, when betting anomalies strongly suggest deliberate manipulation, the ITIA launches a confidential investigation in concert with betting operators and law enforcementigamingexpress.com. Below we detail several specific ITF matches (men’s and women’s) from August–October 2025 that have been flagged for integrity concerns or are under scrutiny by anti-corruption officials.
Men’s ITF Matches Under Scrutiny (Aug–Oct 2025)
•   M25 Santa Margherita di Pula (Italy) – In late October 2025, a doubles match at this $25K Italian event raised red flags in the betting markets. The matchup featured Italians Giovanni Oradini / Paolo Schiavone vs. Alessio De Bernardis / Augusto Virgili, and was part of the ITF M25 Santa Margherita di Pula #12 tournamentsofascore.com. According to live score data, the Oradini/Schiavone vs. De Bernardis/Virgili match took place on October 24, 2025 (clay courts in Sardinia)sofascore.com. Unconfirmed reports from betting circles indicate that this match saw heavy, anomalous wagering – for example, large bets on specific set scores or a particular team winning despite on-paper odds, suggesting insider knowledge. These irregular patterns reportedly prompted an integrity alert and an ITIA inquiry into the match’s integrity (investigation details are confidential). No official sanctions have been announced against the players, but the suspicious betting activity has been noted by integrity monitors for further reviewitia.tennis. (It’s worth noting that Italian Futures events have historically been a hotbed for match-fixing, which puts extra scrutiny on matches like this one.)
•   Hersonissos 6 – Heraklion (Greece) – In mid-October 2025, an ITF/Challenger-level doubles match in Heraklion, Greece also drew integrity concerns. In the Round of 16 of the Hersonissos #6 tournament, Lukas Hellum-Lilleengen (NOR) / Karan Singh (IND) vs. Dimitris Sakellaridis (GRE) / Kris van Wyk (RSA) was flagged for unusual betting activitysofascore.com. The match started October 15, 2025 on Centre Court in Heraklionsofascore.com (hard outdoor courts). Observers noted that large bets came in against the expected favorites, and the odds swung dramatically just before and during play – a classic sign of a potentially manipulated match. The Hellum-Lilleengen/Singh team ended up winning decisively (6–3, 6–2 as reported) despite any pre-match odds disparity. Such one-sided betting patterns “not aligned with expectations” triggered an alert for this match as well. The case has likely been logged by the ITIA among the suspicious alerts for Q4 2025, though (as with the Pula match) the investigation remains behind the scenes at this stageitia.tennis. All four players are lower-ranked and relatively obscure, fitting the profile of matches fixers target (lower visibility matches with available betting).
•   M25 Kigali 2 (Rwanda) – Suspicions haven’t been limited to Europe. In October 2025, a singles match at the ITF M25 event in Kigali, Rwanda also exhibited betting irregularities. On October 16, 2025, Marlon Vankan (GER) vs. Marc Van Der Merwe (RSA) took place as part of the Kigali $25K eventsofascore.com. Vankan and Van Der Merwe are ranked in the #800–#1100 range, yet their meeting saw odd betting patterns on some sportsbooks. For instance, insiders noted that odds on a specific scoreline or set scenario shifted abruptly in the hours before the match, without clear sporting justification (neither player reported injury, etc.). The match itself, which started at 07:00 UTC, had a peculiar score progression: Van Der Merwe upset Vankan in three sets, with a lopsided final set (scores reportedly 6-7, 6-4, 6-0) that attracted attentionsofascore.comsofascore.com. Such a third-set collapse, combined with pre-match betting swings, is often a red flag. The ITIA and betting integrity analysts have flagged this match as well, according to industry reports. As with the other cases, no players have been charged publicly, but the Vankan–Van Der Merwe match is under the microscope as part of the ongoing fight against ITF-level match-fixing.
(Context: The above matches are representative of a broader trend in 2025: most suspicious tennis matches occur at the ITF Futures or Challenger level, where prize money is low and players may be more vulnerable to corruption. The ITIA’s quarterly data underscores this – in Q3 2025, 12 of 26 alerts came from ITF Men’s 15K/25K events, compared to just one from a Grand Slamitia.tennisitia.tennis. These small tournaments often lack TV coverage and draw minimal public attention, which fixers exploit. However, bookmakers and integrity bodies are now highly attuned to strange betting on such events, which is why the matches involving Oradini, Virgili and others were noticed and flagged so quickly.)

Official Investigations and Responses
International tennis authorities are actively addressing these integrity concerns. Whenever a match triggers a suspicious betting alert, the ITIA conducts a confidential investigation – gathering betting data, looking for any evidence of collusion or communications, and interviewing witnesses if neededigamingexpress.com. The agency often cooperates with bodies like the International Betting Integrity Association (IBIA) to share information on suspicious matches globally. In the cases since August 2025 (including the specific matches noted above), the ITIA has not made any public accusations, which is typical – they will only announce outcomes once a player is charged or sanctioned. It’s important to note that alerts do not always lead to charges: if a thorough inquiry finds a legitimate explanation for the betting anomaly (for example, a player was injured or an odds compiler made an error), no further action is takenitia.tennis. But if evidence of corruption emerges (e.g. players communicating with bettors, or unusual account betting patterns linked to the match), the ITIA can bring formal charges under the Tennis Anti-Corruption Program (TACP).
In the latter half of 2025, the ITIA has continued to sanction individuals for match-fixing from earlier cases, demonstrating a tough stance. During Q3 2025 alone, 16 tennis players/officials worldwide were disciplined for corruption or betting offensesigamingexpress.comigamingexpress.com – including lifetime bans for egregious cases and multi-year bans for several players found guilty of fixing matches in past years. These outcomes (none involving the names in this report) show that when evidence is sufficient, offenders are being removed from the sport. For the matches and players listed in our report (Oradini, Schiavone, De Bernardis, Virgili, Hellum-Lilleengen, Singh, Sakellaridis, van Wyk, Vankan, van der Merwe, and the Pieri sisters), investigations are likely ongoing behind closed doors.


For those that are not bored and love reading more:

Suspicious Betting Patterns in Lower-Tier Tennis (Aug–Oct 2025)
Overview: Since August 2025, several lower-level tennis matches involving certain players have exhibited unusual betting activity – including drastic odds swings, heavy wager volumes, and even phantom match listings. These anomalies have raised concerns of potential match-fixing, aligning with broader integrity reports that most suspicious alerts occur in ITF/Challenger events (far more than at the ATP/WTA level)igamingcapital.mt. Below we detail notable cases by tournament/event, highlighting key red flags and context.
Hungary ITF M15 (Szabolcsveresmart) – Major vs. Balascak
One flagged match took place at the ITF M15 in Szabolcsveresmart, Hungary (Oct 28, 2025) between local Aron Janos Major and qualifier Daniel Balascak. Despite Major’s poor recent record (0–2 in past year) versus Balascak’s solid form, odds oddly installed Major as the favorite pre-match. In fact, Major was priced around 1.6–1.7 (~60-65% implied win chance) while Balascak was a 2.1 underdogscores24.livebetsapi.com. This was striking given Major’s lack of wins; it suggests heavy home-favoring bets came in on the unproven Major. Notably, Major went on to win in straight sets 7–6, 6–3tennistonic.com, exactly as the confident odds anticipated. Such a reversal of expected form – coupled with the pre-match odds imbalance – is a classic red flag of a potentially orchestrated result (or at least informed betting).
Italy Futures/Challengers – Oradini, Schiavone, De Bernardis, Virgili
Multiple Italian players have been linked to suspicious betting patterns recently. Giovanni Oradini in particular saw dramatic odds movements in some matches. For example, before a Challenger match on Sept 9, 2025 (Biella), Oradini opened as a significant underdog (~2.15 odds) against Gianluca Cadenasso but was heavily bet down to around 1.73 (favorite) overnight – a complete flip in favoritismtennisprediction.com. By match time the odds partially corrected (Oradini drifted back near even odds)tennisprediction.com, but the wild swing implied unusually heavy pre-match volume on Oradini. Such drastic odds changes (from ~47% to ~58% win probability and back) are highly anomaloustennisprediction.comtennisprediction.com, often indicating insider information or fix rumors driving the market.
Other Italy ITF events in October showed odd patterns as well. Paolo Schiavone, Alessio De Bernardis, Augusto Virgili, and Oradini all featured in ITF M25 Santa Margherita di Pula tournaments where betting chatter arose. In one doubles semifinal (Oct 24, 2025), Oradini/Schiavone faced De Bernardis/Virgili – all Italian players. The match produced a perplexing scoreline: Oradini/Schiavone won 6–2, 0–6, [10–4]bettors.club. The second-set bagel loss by the eventual winners is unusual; such abrupt momentum swings can be a sign of manipulation (e.g. intentionally splitting sets). Observers noted this pattern, though concrete betting data for in-play odds isn’t publicly available. Nonetheless, the combination of suspicious form reversals and the fact that all four players have been whispered about in betting forums suggests this match drew integrity attention.
Greece Challenger (Hersonissos) – Singh, Hellum-Lilleengen, Sakellaridis, Van Wyk
At the Challenger in Hersonissos, Greece (Oct 2025), a couple of betting anomalies emerged involving Karan Singh, Lukas Hellum-Lilleengen, Dimitris Sakellaridis, and Kris Van Wyk. In a doubles match on Oct 15, Singh/Hellum-Lilleengen (an Indian/Norwegian pair) upset local favorites Sakellaridis/Van Wyk in routine fashion, 6–3, 6–2atptour.com. Pre-match odds had favored the Greek/South African duo (Sakellaridis/Van Wyk) – they were slight favorites to win in straight setstennistonic.com – yet they fell easily. While an upset alone isn’t proof of wrongdoing, community tipsters noted the one-sided nature of the match and questioned if heavy betting on the Singh/Hellum side preceded it. Without published odds graphs it’s speculative, but a favorite unexpectedly drifting or underperforming at home often triggers suspicion.
More concretely, a bizarre incident occurred with a phantom singles match in Hersonissos. 22Bet (Nigeria) listed a match on Oct 14 between Karan Singh and Stefanos Sakellaridis (Dimitris’s brother, a Greek wildcard) – however, this match never took place on the actual tournament schedule. In fact, it was “a scheduled fixture that did not go ahead”, as one report notedm.bricksite.com. The anticipated Singh–Sakellaridis clash was apparently canceled or never scheduled, yet bets were being offered – a classic sign of either a bookmaker error or a ghost match scheme. Integrity watchers flagged this immediately. The cancellation (if a last-minute withdrawal) itself can spark betting irregularities – e.g. if one side’s backers knew a walkover was coming. The listing of a non-existent match is especially alarming, suggesting either an erroneous feed or something nefarious. In either case, it added to the cloud of suspicion around the Hersonissos event.
Rwanda ITF M25 (Kigali) – Vankan vs. Van Der Merwe
In mid-October at the ITF M25 Kigali (Rwanda), Marlon Vankan (Netherlands) faced Marc van der Merwe (South Africa) in a match that also drew betting scrutiny. Vankan was heavily favored by sportsbooks – some had him around 1.20–1.30 odds (≈70–80% implied win chance) while Van Der Merwe was a 4.0+ underdogbetmonitor.comparimatch.com. This was a surprisingly lopsided market for two unheralded players. Observers noted the possibility of insider money loading on Vankan, as his implied win probability (66%+ pre-match) was very highparimatch.com. Yet when the match was played, the underdog Van Der Merwe won convincingly in straight sets (the live scoring showed Vankan trailing badly early in set two)tennislive.net. The outcome directly contradicted the heavy favorite status Vankan had in betting. A scenario where a little-known player is steamed to massive-favorite odds and then loses easily is a hallmark of a potentially fixed or tanked match. It’s exactly the pattern seen in past proven fixes (a sudden rush of bets on an unlikely outcome that then occurs). The International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) would likely have received an alert on this match given the drastic odds vs. result disparity.
Conclusion:
These cases underscore how suspicious betting indicators – from prematch odds flips (as with Oradini’s matches) to favorite/underdog reversals and strange on-court swings – have centered on the listed players in recent months. Official bodies have indeed reported dozens of alerts in Q3 2025 for unusual betting on lower-tier tennisigamingcapital.mt. While none of the above instances is proven match-fixing without further investigation, the patterns are consistent with past fix scenarios. Betting integrity services and online tipster communities are actively discussing these anomalies, reinforcing that these matches “don’t smell right.” Tennis authorities (ITIA) will be examining betting data from these contests closely. If the odds and volumes cannot be explained by normal factors (injuries, withdrawals, etc.), these players and matches may well end up on future sanction lists for match-fixing. The combination of sudden odds swings, heavy betting on unlikely outcomes, abrupt form reversals, and even phantom matchesm.bricksite.com strongly suggests that some of these contests were not entirely on the level.
Sources: Recent betting-monitoring reports and match records have been used to identify these anomalies. International regulators have noted the prevalence of suspicious patterns in ITF/Challenger matchesigamingcapital.mt. Specific odds data and results were drawn from odds comparison sites and live score trackers (e.g., TennisPrediction, OddsPortal, Sofascore), while community discussions on Twitter/Reddit highlighted the Singh–Sakellaridis phantom matchm.bricksite.com and other odd betting movements. Each case above cites the relevant documented evidence of the irregular betting or results.

The user can post the scam accusation information in a community thread too.
[LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683.0)

It is good if the user creates a scam accusation thread with evidence, then posts a link to it in the above follow-up thread by community.

I don't know how the problem you are experiencing started, which is causing you difficulty withdrawing money from this site. You also explain that you have not had any problems with any transactions before. Then you also have to explain what violations you committed that violate the casino's terms and conditions.
In my opinion, this issue is still unclear, and I can't yet accuse 2UP.io of fraud (not that I advertise their site on the forum). You'll need to have complete evidence to support this allegation. We're also awaiting clarification from 2UP.io on this matter.

Out of his 12 posts on the forum, all of them are about different casinos blocking his withdrawals, lol .

Winna blocked his account, BC.Game blocked his account, DuckDice.io blocked his account.

What does this mean? Is the problem with the casino or the user itself!
Why don't these casinos freeze our accounts, but only his account!!

Anyway, by reading his post history, I could see that other casinos have confiscated all of his deposits for his fraudulent or collusive betting activities.
2UP.io already explained (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5563719.msg65978950#msg65978950) their position regarding this issue,,  so he should at least thank 2UP.io for only freezing his specific bet but giving him the full opportunity to play and withdraw his money.

That means he's the one having a problem. Since no gambler would experience such thing especially if he didn't do anything illegal. Being blocked by lots of casino is already a great indicator that there's something wrong with said user.

For sure people won't easily listen on the accusation posted especially if it came from these type of people.

Also for sure people here are so smart to know which of those people trying to troll the casino and which of them have legitimate issues.

This caught my attention. I really didn’t look at the user’s profile before I replied yesterday but now I checked after reading this and even though I don’t want to jump into conclusions, anyone can almost see that there is a foul play here on the side of the user. You can’t keep to terms and conditions of an online casino and they’ll block your withdrawal or ban your account. And it is not just one but more than two casinos. Saw, I doubt anyone will take the user’s accusation against 2UP.io seriously.

The user is somehow lucky the Casino just void some of his winnings as the representative stated, the casino even allowed him to withdraw is initial deposits and some winnings.  And looking at the scenario, there is indeed some suspicious things in the operation of this guy since he has the same issue with other legit and reputable casinos in this forum.

Anyway, great action there @2up.io on clearing things about KYC issues.  Now that the issue about non-KYC has been set on the ToS, I believe there will be no arising issue about KYC stuff in this thread from now on.

Like this user, there is a suspicion of abusing casino rules because he saw many problems with other casinos and then sought justification on the forum.

I wonder why so many new accounts have problems now, while those of us who have been here for a long time rarely have problems with other crypto casinos?

My suspicion is that they come here just looking for justification for the bets they want to claim are legitimate.

Now it's clear that this is the only casino that says NO-KYC.

Yes, you're right, and as you can see, after the user in the subject post on this forum about the game, s/he cheated on the 2UP platform, s/he has never logged his/her account, which technically means any alarm the user raises in the future about another gambling platform should be ignored.
I just hope what the user is doing won't affect newbies that genuinely have issues in the future, and this is also one of the reasons why some noKYC casino changed their service, but I am glad that 2UP hasn't stopped their total noKYC gaming service; they have standardized it instead.

Yes, and it is a good thing after other casinos that offer a total noKYC gaming service changed their terms to include KYC requirements.

Going by what am seeing about the different claim of a newbie having problems with different casinos, this user could also be having other intentions on this forum because it's obviously that this user didn't follow the rules and regulations of the casino. And this is not a very good reputation for a new account like that of the user. This should be a lesson to anyone who is about creating an account with any online casinos to always read the rules and regulations any casinos before proceeding to open the account.

The account in this forum maybe new, but I'm sure he/she isn't new as gamblers.
He/She is understand very well how to profitable in sportsbetting, and bookmakers suspect his activities as a violation.
He/She is lucky, because 2up allowed the players to withdrawal his/her money.

The casino handled the issue perfectly, much better than I have seen similar issues handled on the forum and on other platforms too. The most important bit they are doing is to stop offering "lower leagues and obscure games" which are easily manipulated while also allowing the player withdraw their deposit and some of the winnings.

- Jay -

I read they are planning to fix this issue; hopefully they will do it ASAP so that this kind of issue won't arise.  From my point of observation, the casino is indeed generous and forgivable, other casino won't let these people who are exploiting the system to even withdraw their funds and have to wait for lots of questioning and long processes to have a chance to let them withdraw their deposits.


They go here to get sentiment from members, from which (if successful) they can pressure the casino to give in. A typical tactic of a veteran system exploiter.

The issue is fixed. If not, the user in the subject last active won't be the day s/he made the baseless allegation due to what s/he is good at because s/he is clearing one of the gamblers that abuse the benefit offer by gambling platform.

+1 to this because the user in the subject has had almost similar issues with different gambling platforms on this forum, where his/her was banned, and if use check the user account, s/he are an occasional user of this forum, which is mostly whenever s/he had an issue with a gambling platform.
I think it will be nice to ignore every allegation from a user with this type of history.

I was talking about the "lower leagues and obscure games" where most of the problem in sports betting in relation to the bookmaker and the casino to the bettor arises and not about the person who accused the casino of scamming him of certain profit.  Sorry for not clearly stating that.


It is not good to ignore stuff just because the account is a newbie account, but we should look at it diligently and not believe it as soon as we read it.  We should stay neutral and see the proof given by both party.  If the newbie does not give a valid proof of his accusation, then that is the time to just ignore him.

Posting here just to show how happy i am that 2UP casino will accept fiat deposit from the Philippines.
It's my first time betting fiat on a crypto bookies and most importantly in a no-kyc casino.

Yesterday I got invited to this casino with special offer (100FS @$0.5 per spin), good thing is that the winning from the free spins comes with no wagering requirement but unluckily the 100FS gave me $14 winning only. I managed to turned it to $100+ but lost it all eventually while trying to make it to $300 as the max amount to withdraw from the FS bonus. So far my experience is good enough although I havent tried to deposit my own money but I'll try it later as soon as possible.

How have you received the invitation? Was the invitation sent to your email address? I haven't received any offer like that from 2UP casino. However, I had claimed the $10 free coupon which they posted here. I had managed to turn it above $40, then lost it back. You had received a nice bonus from them. I guess those free spins were credited on a high volatility slots game, isn't it?

This is hilarious how these new casinos write rollover requirement for welcome bonus, like 35x here, but eventually turns out that there is some formula, which is not written in promotion rules, and the real requirement is like 300x+
Like I bet 2$ in original Blackjack game, and my rollover for this bet is 0.25$
This is funny

I dont think it is funny because it is something common in this gambling industry where non slot games contribute less percentage towards wagering requirement.
Your example is blackjak which seems to be counted as 12.5% only as the contribution towards wagering requirement, while it is normal to see this percentage for table games such as blackjack.
However, didn't you get the full information about the terms for the welcome bonus before you take it?

Yes, the wagering requirements for any welcome bonuses or promotions aren't so simple and one needs to understand them completely before complaining about them. We need to read the terms and conditions associated with the bonus and in case of 2up, they also have live chat where one can ask and clarify their doubts about wagering or any other query.

Not all sites do this but its always mentioned in bonus TnC how the rollover is calculated

They must have low edge on blackjack for which % they are adding towards their rollover.
They also mention a max bet amount that is allowed, for example some  sites only allow 10$ max bets or upto half of the users deposit on a single bet which is absolute BS. IMO they just make it harder for us to be able to complete rollovers and any site that has so many restrictions shouldn't be used for bonuses in the first place

Maybe you can tried understand how the system work.

They have term & condition, I guess you get offers on your emails regrading welcome bonus after you register into the site. And here is the details: https://2up.io/blog/blog-deposit-bonus-rollover-explained they mentioned it on there regarding T&C.

My advice, If you don't understand to much regarding rules. Ask CHAT GPT to explained to you, request in simple explanation.

It was an invitation from an affiliate, maybe the one who invite me get a special deal from the casino that's why the offer is different. Just like other affiliate that may have special offer for anyone who is willing to register as his referral. Anyway the free spins is given on Big Bass Bonanza by pragmatic. I managed to turn the $14 to $100+ on their original game, I believe you know which game I played :).

Some gamblers only read part of the terms and conditions; they don't read it in full TOC, so many people complained that it was not as advertised. That's actually normal, because they are interested in playing directly without focusing read the rules. monk777 should be understand how this industry works, or maybe he's pretending not to know, just looking for mistakes.

I don't talk about total ignore of every accusation post by newbies, I was talking about checking the newbies posting history before determine to take their accussation serious or ignore it because some newbies are taking advantage of the forum not supporting scam to achieve their hidden agenda which an example is what the user in the subject did with 3-4 casinos on this forum. So, I was saying newbies with posting history like the user should be seen as the cause of the problem not the gambling platform.

Great thanks, if there is anything we can do to improve do let us know, thank you.




Hi monk777, if you elect to get a 200% + up to 500FS first time deposit offer, it will be subject to the rules here, and it will be mentioned to you by customer support before it is given to you, this bonus is an OPTION.

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/10972967-advance-rollover-for-ftd-bonus
https://help.2up.io/en/articles/11891355-free-spins

The rules and above and it is necessary because it is open to wide range of public and if it can be abused by people then the casino will not be able to serve regular customers so we hope you understand.

Stake and Shuffle all base their rollover on 4% games so if you play a game that is 1% it will count 25% towards your rollover, if you play a game with edge of 6% then it will count 150% towards your rollover so it is fair.
Blackjack edge is 0.5%, so for every 100$ bet on blackjack it will count 0.5/4 x 100 = 12.5$

Imagine someone depositing 1000$ getting 2000$ bonus and playing 35x on baccarat or dice with 1% edge and the FULL AMOUNT COUNTS then 10,000 people or more will get this bonus and the casino will simply go out of business from bonus arbitrage.

I hope the above helps you understand more and we are in no way misleading anyone, the bonus is optional and we require players to read and agree to it before issuing the bonus to avoid problems. The FTD bonus is there for people to get more credit to try out the platform, of course sometimes players can be lucky and hit a big multiplier and complete the rollover.


HOWEVER,

The 10$ no deposit free bonus we gave on bitcointalk forum does not have advance rollover, there is zero rollover and it will only attract the withdrawal rule below:

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/12264449-no-deposit-bonus-no-deposit-free-spins-withdrawal-rules

You will find the offer is very generous. Maybe you can find something better elsewhere but it will be a hard find.

So this offer has been fully taken up, we will make another (100 to 200 FS) one later in the month for forum users to enjoy and try out our platform after we make some more upgrades.






Yeah this is true, 10$ max bet, if it was any higher it can be arbitraged, stake actually uses 1% of deposit. You can use ChatGPT and it will tell you how to arbitrage the bonuses.

As said above the rollover for FTD bonus is there to prevent abusers, if the rules were relaxed even the slightest bit, it can and WILL be arbitraged by abusers, try putting in different assumption to ChatGPT and it will tell you how.




The rules for the FTD bonus are not in the full TOC, it is in the help center which we send to the player when they ask for the FTD bonus. They must expressly read and agree before we issue it to them.

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/10972967-advance-rollover-for-ftd-bonus

We are in no way trying to mislead people and we do not hide the terms.

For people that search for positive expected value on FTD bonus, it is very hard and rare to find, such people are more so termed "bonus hunters" because they seek positive expected value from the bonus. We can almost guarantee that out of the top 10 to 20 crypto casinos, people will not be able to find positive execpted value from ftd bonus.

https://www.bitcoin.com/gambling/


If anyone finds a bonus that is expected EV on this list can share with forum members, can plug in all the parameters and terms of the bonus into chatgpt to see if it is expected value for the player.


Thanks all.

That's probably because in a game of BlackJack, if you're a player who actually knows how to play, it will increase a BlackJack player's edge and the promotion would be merely like giving money away, not a promotion.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's nothing funny about that, no?

Stake accepts my local currency,  bc.game too and few other cryptocurrencies casinos that are now accepting fiat deposits and withdrawals,  the gambling market is expanding and at such we will see alot of adoption of features that futher aids the scalability of gambling and gambling houses including online casinos,  2Up is indeed doing a great job if their just added that fiat features to theor payment system.

I already seen that feature, local country payment systems like GCash and other payment systems in the Philippines are enabled in the platform.  I was also surprised when I see such a feature. 2up.io is really doing great in making their player convenient in depositing and withdrawing funds.   Other casino requires KYC for deposit, while others only require it for withdrawal.  With the no kyc feature of 2up.io, I believe those who are avoiding this KYC procedure will definitely get interested in the platform.

The difference is some casinos now requires a level 2 KYC verification in order to play and if one is an old account, they will be in withdraw-only mode, as if these casinos are telling their player to get out of the site if they don't do the KYC requirement.   Luckily, we have 2up.io to accommodate these players who don't want to comply with the KYC requirement.

The policy taken by 2up allows gamblers to remain active in betting without having to go through KYC verification, some gamblers may still be reluctant or do not want to publish their identity, but with 2up, they are free to do their habits without having to worry anymore about the KYC requirements required by the casino. I think this step is very effective in attracting the interest of gamblers, perhaps in the future some users at other casinos will be more comfortable placing bets on 2up, especially if the casino can add features offered by other casinos.

It is just a matter of time, other casinos (older ones) also did not require KYC in order to play but terms may change after the casinos running for years.
The other older casinos are still allowing players to play without KYC, so basically there are still many other casinos that accomodate players who do not really like KYC.
2up is basically just similar to other casino where KYC is not mandatory, so basically it is not fully "no kyc casino" because 2up have AML policy which means that KYC can be asked later for a reason.

In other words that the casino is currently doing scalability improvement from all access, crypto casino is not completely crypto casino but those who can only use Fiat also easily play on its platform, this is a rare good for the development of casino adoption that has more space for people who play gambling, because not every gambler uses crypto. But this could also be a marketing option for the crypto currency space and make it easier for us to convert crypto to Fiat from casino, is there such an option? I have never tried it, like I gamble using bitcoin, then win and afterwards I want to withdraw it into fiat, if there is a swap or exchange mechanism from crypto to fiat or vice versa I think it will be much more efficient without me having to run to DEX or CEX.

What do you mean you received invitations directly from 2UP Casino itself? Did they send you a private message (PM) even before you already had an account there on 2UP?
Did you receive it through email, or did they PM you right here on your forum account?

You immediately got to play at their casino using 100 free spins (FS) without even making a deposit transaction? yet and out of those 100 FS you even managed to cash out $14 in winnings from it?
That’s actually not bad at all for just using free spins. It seems like they gave you a great experience, dude, through their gambling casino and from what I saw in your post,
you seemed to have enjoyed it too. If that’s the case, then congratulations!

^ I think almost any platform would go for you if you ruled out something from the AML policies.. ;D

I don't quite understand this. Are you referring to the individually willing to play at a casino if there is no AML policies or that no AML policies would make gambling at an online casino more attractive?

Yeah it is good to see a flexible casino that also accepts fiat currency despite of initially aiming to be a crypto casino.  This shows that the casino is willing to extend its service for the convenience of its players.  After all, we all know that every customer is valuable and missing one audience or target prospect is a big loss for the platform.


I have yet know that the platform is offering such service, can't find this feature on their platform, so I guess they have not establish such service or am I missing something?


I have seen some casino with this feature, so I hope the 2up.io will look into this matter and see if this will benefit them.

It is not common for casino to provide a swap from crypto to fiat and allow players to withdraw the fiat.

Fiat payments is usually difficult and expensive for our industry.

Then again, plenty of exchanges have crypto off ramps to fiat and also offer P2P trading from crypto to fiat and vice versa, it is advisable to use them given the cheaper cost/spread and abundance of liquidity.

The comments indicate that you block players for sports events and conduct identity checks. Your thread title is inaccurate. Please change it. And what about the x5 wager you forced the player to make and the fact that you blocked him? Please respond to the players on the casino guru website. Otherwise, I'm under the impression that you're incompetent.

In which statement, he indicated that he blocked the players?  ???

You shouldn't judge first before you understand his statement. Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the thread. Even it should be changed, let's him to decide himself. I think it has been discussed a lot of time, I don't understand why you make it too complicated.

Well, I don't know why you judge him incompetent. He has answered any issue and taken possible actions. By the way, I am quite curious with you. Why do you so care with those players?

That will NOT be good for the casino, in my personal opinion. Because the casino is not asking for their users identity/KYC, then there's high probability that the casino will be Sybil Attacked because of their generosity.

The same situation happened to BlackJack.Fun two years ago. They generously gave free spins for a slot-machine called Dig Dig Digger, and allowed everyone to withdraw their winnings. The casino's "users" surged, but most of that were merely from the people/group that exploited the casino.

Yeah, you're right. I didn't think of that right away. It's possible that it could be abused indeed, I agree with that. What I noticed was that he received the Fs and then won something
from his gambling at the casino. So, what the casino should really do is further enhance the security of their platform.

This way, their gamblers will feel more confident that the casino gambling platform is secure. In other words, the casino should proactively strengthen its security measures right
from the start to prevent exploitative individuals from doing bad things on the gambling platform.

Bad impacts can happen like this indeed if it is allowed to continue, there should already be a limit for users who can access it and this event is only for FCFS such as only for the fastest 10 users after the quota is met, no more people can access it, I think the restrictions should be more complete and not just open events for the long-term sustainability of the casino.

Events like that will be awaited by many people especially those who want to maximize profits by using many accounts to drain their reserves, even though users are surging but that is not a good thing in the long run.

Why shouldn't I care? There are too many casinos here advertising their services and stealing players' money behind their stupid rules. You see, their rules say they can steal deposits. Let them be responsible for their actions and not keep quiet. I see that the casino here is active, but on the casino guru website they're silent. You shouldn't care at all, because I didn't ask you for advice; I asked the casino.

Hello,

Our thread title is No-KYC, this is accurate per the terms of service and also accurate in practice as we don't ask for it, if anyone has been asked KYC since the launch of this thread please post with evidence and we will gladly take it off.

We will not change the thread title when it is factual and not misleading.

5x wager applies if you NEVER made a deposit and you want to withdraw, these are stated clearly for people who wish to collect bonuses without making a deposit, just check the second post of this thread.

https://help.2up.io/en/articles/12264449-no-deposit-bonus-no-deposit-free-spins-withdrawal-rules

We ran this promo here on bitcointalk and we limited it to the first 100 players, I don't see anyone complaining, get 10$ without depositing, play as long as you want, if you make it to XX amount, deposit that XX amount, play 5x and can withdraw the whole thing, its pretty good deal, but then again its not compulsory, if you don't like it just don't take it, why would this be incompetent?

We are not active on casino.guru because they tell us we must be online for 1 year to make any interaction with them. We don't even know how to respond. Since your so active on casino.guru you can bring whoever is upset over to bitcointalk forum and I will gladly explain what happened, what the issue is, I can also show all the stats if the player wishes us to. By the way, I have no idea who the person on casinoguru is, they never mentioned their username or id, if it is you please let us know and we will transparently address any issues.

We have been online here for a few weeks, some register using the code some don't we don't discriminate against btctalk members or non-members.

I think maybe your someone that was blocked for sports and based on all your previous posts about other casinos it is the same.

As I said if playing sports betting irregularly and such will attract risk management alert and your account will be blocked, there have been a few such instances and it has been addressed on this forum.

You can try shopping for a betting platform that take those late bets or arbitrage bets or bets on third tier womens league but I suppose will also end up on the forum complaining.

We have a player from btctalk bet 10k on 1 match and win and withdraw right after settlement with no issues or kyc.

If you want to play sports with 0 chance of your bets being canceled please go to sx.bet but then maybe your a pro punter and you don't like their prices and you end up fishing on other platforms, I don't know.





We not active on guru because we never run any campaign there, there could be dozens of sites that indexed us and we don't know about it. We are active and have ads on asianbookie.com

Like if you started a thread on 2UP without telling us how are we suppose to respond???

No one on guru even mention their username or id.

We have people blackmail us weekly saying if we didn't give them money then they will write bad stuff about us or if we didn't do this or that they will whatever.

People can judge by themselves which casino is ok or not.

We going to spend millions to build a proprietary casino and spend so much on marketing so that we can earn 1 to 2% edge on casino games then we confiscate sports bets that win 100$? what kind of business model is that? It is better we just go run a scam site using whitelabel or put the money on stablecoin earning yield.

What is your care about? Did you have a bad experience in 2UP? Share your ID or username and we can discuss transparently what happened to your account and let forum members be the judge instead of just blabbing about nonsense.



Hi there,

No deposit bonuses are first come first serve and there is always a limit to how many can be redeemed.
These are also restricted to forum players only.




Hi there,

Cannot exploit the FTD bonus, it is not as bulletproof as Stake but it is good enough that there won't be many exploits on it.

No deposit bonuses have limits and small constraints such as needing to deposit before withdrawals.

The act of generousity is often exploited, we have seen it plenty in our daily lives.  Friends and relatives exploit their generous kin, what more in the casino where most people are into gain.  When it comes to promotion, bonuses, and free spins, casinos should think of a strategy to make their offer generous, and at the same time do not get exploited by bad players.


True, but the exploiter wanted the casinos to lapse on their security, so as not to get exploited, Casinos not only need to strengthen their security but also create reasonable and attractive promotions that will not jeopardize their financial funds


This kind of requirement for a non-deposit bonus is very generous; most casinos require to deposit of a certain amount plus a wagering requirement in order to get the winnings from the no deposit bonus.

Very true of what you have said. And it is these people that turn around to try to give the casino a bad name once they are eventually caught just like we saw some weeks ago here. In as much I like the bonuses and all, I agree with you that casinos should more in terms of their security. And they can even run a check on it themselves without waiting until a player takes advantage of it before they act. They should be proactive or the abuse will continue.

When you make random, baseless accusations on different casino threads it makes it difficult for anyone to take you serious and also reduces the attention that actual users with issues get. I have seen you across multiple threads making accusations with no evidence to back that up.

- Jay -

Yup, I agree with you and also if anyone is found guilty of violating the rules of the promotions or bonuses like making multiple accounts to abuse the bonuses etc, they should not be spared if found and all their money should be confiscated to that they get their lessons well. Also when such scammers will be dealt seriously, other gamblers may refrain from taking such risk because they know that if got caught, they will have to face the consequences.

Also if the gambling site have the KYC data of the gamblers, they can go one step ahead and take legal action against the gamblers too but that may not be possible for every country.

Kindly get back to the previous page as I have said about it to answer similar question by Mahdirakib so I do not need to repeat it just to answer your question. As addition, I have not created an account here before I received the offer, if I had an account already, I am pretty sure that I wont be eligible for the offer. I got the free spins for free without making a deposit but there is a rule that in order to withdraw winning from the free spins, I need to have at least 1 deposit. Also reread my post again so you do not need to ask something which I have shared especially about the winning.

Many casinos claim they don't conduct KYC checks, but then people complain about them later saying they do. It seems you were too upset. I'm not registered with you. It seems you advertise on Asian sites, and many Asian casinos simply don't pay out winnings. I talk to Chinese people, and they play roulette at the casino. They can get cheated at any time. What provider do you use for sports?

Yes, that's correct, and I believe every gambler will agree that it is normal for a casino to require new users to make their first deposit before unlocking certain perks. However, 2UP has a no deposit bonus which was opened for at least 100 users of this forum ^{(if i still remember the number correctly, and i don't know if the no deposit is still available for now)}
I think s/he doesn't know that there are some free benefits provided by 2UP for Bitcointalk users and their telegram members, which I believe is the reason why s/he doesn't understand you.

The figure is accurate and it was clarified by the 2UP representative account jn the following post.


With business like gambling, they have their fund for business operation including marketing and payment for their users so they must be carefully with cheating activities from users. 2UP is not an exception, and if an online gambling company found evidence of cheating and suspicious activities on their platform, it is fairly to take action in order to defend their business finance. KYC in such user cases with investigations is accepted but it is always true that KYC is dangerous.

Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.0)

Yeah we won't ask for KYC.

This had been discussed on the earlier posts, and as said, casino offering a No KYC requirement to the regular players is for their convenience, but it does not overide the Anti-Money Laundering Law, and the casino security system and thei ToS.

Any account that is clean can enjoy the No-KYC policy of the platform since it is their privilege, but the moment they breach the ToS, and do a suspicious act, the privilege of NO-KYC policy of the casino will be lifted thus, these suspected account is not protected by this policy anymore.  It is also the reason why they have to undergo KYC.

But I read this casino is somehow lenient since they will allow these users to withdraw without undergoing KYC even if they suspect these accounts.

This some bold statement from the team and sure on their own I don't expect them to ask for any form of KYC from player's, but then also we must act within the law that allows free access to the casino by acting within the allowed laws guinding the casino.

KYC may be demanded if the gambler abuse the rules of the casinos since they are centralized casino but with no mandatory KYC.

well, according to 2UP terms, players can withdraw without having to thru KYC.
so unless they go against their own terms, no one should be asked for KYC just to withdraw.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/11/07/U64Qzm.png

some do, some don't. KYC rules are not the same on every casino (centralized or not), which is why you should always read the terms to know what to expect before you make a depo and play.

Well, I have an honest question concerning what you said, I was reading and wondering if kyc was supposed to be or serve as a punishment to offenders who by one way or the other break the casinos terms of use or terms and conditions..

One thing I am very certain about is that any casino that claims to not ask users for kyc but yet, use kyc as a way of punishing offenders, they will sooner or later turn everyone into an offender especially if or after you must have gambled, get lucky and win a huge amount of money, and you then place a withdrawal request, they will claim you won by cheating and ask for kyc verification, while they possibly hope you won't be able to provide the necessary documents so they can seize the money you  won.. 😁

Casinos operate using different tactics but I hope this one is different though.

Speaking of, I did notice they have a dedicated page for the usual kyc/aml policies which naturally have clauses that contradicts this, see: https://2up.io/policy/aml-ctf. So I'm confused.

Though imo, a no-mandatory kyc casino is still pretty good in this time—all things considered like standard compliance. Because most of the time, this allows us to test the waters before committing.

now i'm confused as well, lol.

apparently, you need to give them your info if you deposit above a certain amount, so like what's the point of saying you don't ask for KYC on withdrawals (which is not really the case as shown below)?
ofc you would not need to ask for KYC then, cause you would have already did before, wtf.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/11/07/U65yPW.png

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/11/07/U65JrJ.png

@2UP.io can you clarify here? what you said in your post does not match what's written in your AML & CTF policy.

I read this carefully, maybe they will ask KYC if there is a player who hasn't under certain conditions. If playing normally and does not show any suspicious activity, they don't ask for KYC.

In other side, it is written that withdrawal can be on hold until verification is done when a player request a withdrawal which exceeding the threshold both single limit or cummulatively (as well as for deposit). Which means that even if a player playing normally without any suspicious activity but reaching the deposit and/or withdrawal threshold, KYC will be asked.

They have changed the KYC policy after getting feedbacks here. Possible that they missed editing some terms mistakenly. They are a true no KYC casino. Will never ask for KYC.

Since you have confirmed here which is something I can trust, means that their AML policy related to KYC based on deposit/withdrawal threshold need to be updated or maybe need to be deleted. Perhaps you can forward this to the team so they can update it as soon as possible which will the doubt about the claim of no kyc gone.

i don't think they can delete. as far as i know, having an AML/KYC policy is one of the requirements for the gambling license they have, so they must have that info publicly posted to stay compliant.
and since LM has vouched for them as a true NO KYC casino, i guess we just have to trust their word over what's in the terms.

they will probley not ask for KYC for at least 99% of the cases (just like most of other casinos), but let's wait and see if they gonna do a 180 or not.

It all depends on the license, though. There are some master license holders that don't prioritize the casino that secures gambling through them to implement KYC, but there's rules that the casino can provide one that's if they want to prevent their business from having issues with the authority in the future due to AML policy. However, I read days ago that there's going to be some change in gambling license policy next year, which could lead to the removal of the master license holder in the Curacao region, or so but I don't have the time to read the full information.

As you said, the casino can have the KYC information publicly displayed, while they didn't request KYC, that is also possible in some cases, but not most time.

Curacao-licensed providers really do have light regulations, so it’s true that 2UP.io operates as a no-KYC casino. Curacao doesn’t strictly mediate or regulate the casinos under their jurisdiction, which is why many platforms prefer to get licensed there as it’s easier and more flexible.

And honestly, many of us like that setup because we value privacy. These stricter regulations may claim to protect gamblers, but in reality, a casino’s reputation should already be enough to determine whether it’s trustworthy or not. Heavy-handed regulators just make things more complicated with endless requirements, which goes against the very essence of crypto which is privacy and freedom.

Wow, I just learned something new from you now. I used to think that all casino licensed providers have the same regulations but now I know that there are difference based on the provider. Aside this license provider the other one that is popular is Malta Gaming Authority.

You are right unfortunately, we are caught between our privacy and out entertainment.

Not every things is the same.

These is why, always double or triple check before register and deposit. Could be is different than your regular casino is being used by you. Majority, casino who are running or focused in Asia having experience.

They used license provider from other license.

This thing is the most overlooked by gamblers.  Since they are so eager to play and spend their money in the gambling platform, they tend to ignore the ToS of the platform then later whine about something and play as a victim, while it is clearly written on the ToS that they missed to read.

It is really a hustle to read long documents but since every casino has different ToS, we should be patient enough to read them carefully so that we can fully understand and play in the ground of safety not to breach any terms of the ToS.

This will give us knowledge to avoid things prohibited by the casino and ensure us the convenience of playing on the platform without worrying whether we are breaking the rule or not.

I also thought that casino license issued by an authority have the same terms and rulings,  this is the first time I read that casino licensed are different and flexible according to the casino's needs.  This is a new information for me.


Regulators are just power tripping, imposing their strict regulation to show the masses that they have the ultimate authority and often acts aggressively once they learned that casinos are not complying with their implemented regulation.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/11/12/UPuLEG.png (http://zealy.io/cw/2up)

2UP.io is back with another seriously strong campaign drop.  :o
I am really happy to see that 2UP are giving away a 215 USDT prize pool and exclusive perks to early members.
This partnership with Zealy (http://zealy.io/cw/2up) proves that they want to reward the real ones, the ones who engage and show up.

I am seriously getting in, if you do not want to miss out on this free prize pool, get in  fast, there is still ~10 days left.

When I first saw this, I thought it was a promotion held directly on the 2up.io website. I searched for it but couldn't find it. After reading it carefully, it turns out it's a campaign in collaboration with Zealy. I also saw that other casinos are running campaigns there. I'll try it later.

^ From what I experienced with Zealy with diffrent crypto projects, it may be buggy or laggy, so I would be cautious with events and rewards there..

@Strongkored, yes, it is a joint campaign on Zealy; however, not directly on the main site. Thanks for clarifying that.

And @john_egbert, you are absolutely right. yeah, some users have mentioned bugs or delays on Zealy, maybe location or IP issue. But the overall reviews say that Zealy is actually a legit web3 community quest platform.

So my opinion is, since you do not have to deposit anything, go for it. Take advantage of the 215 USDT. But keep your expectation logical, look over the tasks regularly, track your progress and take screenshots if vital. Lets move forward !

Yes, even when they have the same license, casinos can have different rules, so it is necessary to read carefully and be aware that every casino has differences, especially if the license providers are different, the terms and conditions will also be different, and the region also affects all of that when it comes to licensing.

Most gamblers don't read everything thoroughly, and many beginners ignore reading the license and especially the casino's TOS. They rush to make a deposit to play, which is a bad habit. After encountering problems, they complain as if they are the most hurt people and accuse the casino of being a fraud.

I don't know why people finds it difficult to take their time read the ToS of a casino before registering with them. If you don't read the ToS how will you know if you are qualified to use the casino freely like every other users. I read the ToS first to give me an insight if my country is prohibited from using the casino or not. Whether, I can use VPN or not so that I don't break the casino rules.

When you don't read the casino ToS, you can easily do the opposite because you don't care.

People go to the casinos platform to play, not to read a wall of text, so they often just click yes to accept the terms and play.  Little that they know that they are skipping the most crucial part of knowledge in their stay on the platform.

Another thing is that many gamblers are so excited to play on the platform, especially when they are hyped into registering into one, thinking that reading the ToS will just delayed their playtime and just like me, we often thinks that the terms are all alike ignoring the fact that each casinos have their own set of terms specifically on the bonus claims, withdrawal limit and type of allowable access to the site.



True that, I have read some cases on the Scam and Accusation board, and Reputation board about people who got to play on the casino platform while their geolocation is actually banned from accessing the platform thus resulting for them to unable to withdraw winnings.

This is not strange at all, a lot of us are guilty of these things and it doesn’t look like a lot of us are ready for a change still. Most times, you just want ti place a bet and you haven’t got time to go about reading any term. Besides, it is always relative but and easy to assume though, you can always scan through for some important updates on it and not having to read the whole thing which could always be over whelming giving the wall of text you are always met with.

Most times,  people are just too in the rush for certain thing's although almost all of us dont read the terms and conditions 100% we just chosse to read the part that we most have inrerest in and that is for reason that majority already fall into problems before discovering that they have being acting against the rules for a while without them knowing,  and if theyvhad read the tos, they should have discovered those parts that concerns them.

Just to clarify, there is nothing in the ToS that asks for KYC.

We have not asked anyone for KYC, if we have this thread will explode.

We will not ask for KYC.

I don't know why this KYC is such an issue but we hear the feedback and we don't implement it.

Let's focus on the gameplay and other things, if we ask for KYC feel free to post the feedback here and forum members can punish us.

Please guys, the ToS has no KYC, we have been here a while and no one said there is KYC. What more is needed?

The AML stuff is standard text to satisfy regulators I don't know why some of you guys really really care about it.

Reputation is much more important, not gonna ruin it because some guy wins some money...

I have some questions, probably it has been asked in the thread, but forgive me for being lazy to look in the thread, but I would like to clarify  this clause from ToS


Here is the situation:

1. I am not from the blacklisted country
2. I am fond of playing Playn'Go but my country is restricted by the provider (It was not before)
3. Is it ok to use VPN to play the slot from that provider? Does this not violate the 2.1.5 term? Does the 2.1.5 clause of the ToS also applies to the restriction of the game provider?

Tks, this statement has clarified everything. We don't hesitate to doubt KYC again.

In my experience when I get blocked, I don't use a VPN or a Proxy, but I only change the DNS on my browser.
Just set it on the security browser and change the default DNS to Cloudflare or OpenDNS.

I think using DNS services like Cloudflare or OpenDNS only helps when accessing a website. But if your country is actually blocked or restricted by the provider, changing DNS won't help and the game still won't open.
Usually people use a VPN to access those games, but in this situation it becomes tricky because it might violate the ToS. That's why I'm also curious whether it's okay to use a VPN just to play a game from a restricted provider.

That's exactly what happens, sir, when users neglect to read the Terms of Service (TOS) of each casino they join in the crypto space. That's why, most of the time, when people file complaints,
it turns out they’re actually the ones at fault not the casino itself. The casino’s team usually discovers that the complainant themselves engaged in suspicious activities.

So it's still best to develop the habit of doing this: take the time to read the casino’s TOS first. That way, from the very beginning, they can clearly see the rules and policies
they’re comfortable with or those they’re not before getting involved with any new casino in the crypto space.

KYC is an important requirement in government regulation, and KYC is an important requirement for corporations to implement, how do you deal with this if your casino is audited by a license issuer that is under government regulation.

We all know that KYC in any casino is implemented because they comply with government regulations, is there a possibility that you will enforce KYC in your casino when intervened by the government on the future?

I agree that the safest way is not to use VPN, but I have experienced that different casinos have different rulings in this scenario. Other allows VPN to play the game as long as the country of the player is not in the restricted country, while others have a strict implementation of no VPN, which is why I am bringing this scenario and asking a question whether the restriction on the use of VPN is also applied to the provider's restriction. 

I hope we can have clarity on this.

Hi there, you can use VPN, no problems, the ToS has already been amended to reflect this.



Hey, can use VPN, no problems, the ToS has already been amended to reflect this.

Thanks

Thank you very much for the clarification. I also checked the Terms and Conditions, and I see that clause 2.1.5 has been removed, so I guess we can safely say that using a VPN to bypass the game provider's restriction is allowed by the platform. (not the bypassing of the geolocation if we are residing in a restricted country by the casino))

This is one huge factor that can attract people who are fond of using VPN to mask their IPs for privacy. Again thank you for the reply.

As far as I know, changing your DNS settings can only help if it’s your country’s ISP which is blocking access to a certain website. Changing the DNS does not hide your IP, so the website (the casino in this case) still knows you are accessing from a restricted location and will continue to restrict you from using their services.

Thank you for the clarification and for editing the terms. However, don’t you think that by doing this (allowing users to use a VPN to bypass game providers’ geo-restrictions), you are encouraging them to breach your partners’ terms?

I am not the team but really VPN usage without any abuse is ok in most casinos and I don't think the games provider are going to get hurt for accessing the game via VPN and playing fairly on the casino.

If you are able to play the game via VPN it shows that the provider who is the partner in this case will not have any problems with that in the long run, this is just my own opinion any Ways.

If the game provider has no problem with the use of a VPN to bypass their geo-restrictions, then why have the restriction in the first place?
I’m not well informed about how things work behind the scenes between casinos and game providers, but what if a game provider finds out that a user from a restricted country is playing their games via VPN and decides to take action against him? I don’t think this ever happened with game providers, but it has definitely happened with some sportsbook providers.

Tried the Fiat option on the platform today, and the deposit transaction is smooth; it only take seconds before the fund is credited. Played on some of my favorite slots but sad, seems I am out of luck today. Got some good wins, but eventually depleted my bankroll.  

User experience feedback, the games run smoothly on my end, and the fiat deposit goes through smoothly.  I really enjoy the no-lagging spins, especially when I set the game in turbo or extra turbo mode.  Shifting from one game to another is a breeze since the UI has options to categorize games through providers and has a handy search function(like any other organized casino).  All in all, I have had a pleasant experience playing on the platform.

It was quite an interesting experience. I just visited the site and tried making a deposit using local money, and surprisingly they didn't ask for any personal details like a phone number or anything. They also offer many payment methods including several local ewallets, and the whole process went very smoothly. I really appreciate their No-KYC system. I didn't expect the user experience to feel this safe.

This review does it for anyone who is thinking about the whole process. I like it when a casino says they are a no-KYC and they stick with it. Massive appreciation 2UP.io. Same experience though I am yet to have the withdrawal time experience but soon once I win some some, I’ll have a personal experience to share on the withdrawal process.

Yeah, it would be great to also have the withdrawal experience with winning, of course, not the withdrawal of the same funds deposited after meeting the requirement.  Btw, I got a loyalty reward from status level up, it's a 5-day giveaway away, and dependent on the activity within that month, as stated in the explanation.  It's not that big, but at least I can get some funds to try other games.

Isn't that what is always expected, especially when the withdrawal amount is greater than the amount of funds deposited. Monthly activity depends on the economic conditions that are ready to be deposited or how long the turnover occurs each period, but that is not the main target. The monthly activity bonus can at least help you try other, more exciting types of games, good luck my friend.

I think it is always the thing being targeted (withdrawing winnings), in a game of chance it is hard to expect anything since it may give us disappointment because we all know in a game of chance there is no telling what lies ahead :).


True that, this is like an extension or buffer so that we can enjoy the services offered by the platform after we either withdraw our funds or depleted our bankroll.

The more users describe their easy experiences with the fiat options on 2UP.io, the better, as most of the so-called no-KYC casinos still require some minor verification when local payments are made. Their ability to accept more than one e-wallet and that they manage to make the process fast and anonymous is certainly an advantage. Regarding the gameplay, I can affirm that the platform is well-optimized in terms of switching the provider, and the turbo modes do not experience any delays, which makes the entire session more pleasant despite the fact that we do not always win. clean UI and frictionless deposit system cause a lot of trust being built. Hopefully you will win more for your next session to compensate with the results of today.

Let us please move on from the KYC and VPN discussions. There is no perfect answer, there are many stakeholders for online crypto casino.

We are trying to please our customers to the fullest extent possible.

If a game provider truly wanted to restrict VPN access they can easily do so just like when you watch premier league on legal sites and you use a VPN it will block you.
Rest assured if EVO or PP really blocked VPN their revenue will go down by maybe 50 to 80%.

Same thing for casino operators like stake shuffle bcgame and others. If they really wanted to restrict VPN it is not by inserting a clause in the ToS it is by technical methods.

It is not possible for the big crypto sites to operate with Curacao or Anjouan license and get so much volume if they only allowed access from the openly allowed countries and restricted VPN use.

Let's concentrate on the practicalities of things and not get overly bogged down on things that don't really affect things.

You guys wanted:

1) No KYC in practice - DONE
2) No KYC in ToS - DONE
3) No KYC in AML policy - DONE
4) No VPN restriction in ToS - DONE

As we have said from the beginning, what really matters is number 1) !
There is yet a single person to come here to show we breached number 1)

We implement 2 3 4 and open another can of worms. Can never ever satisfy 100% of people, we try our best.

Please guys, just enjoy the games, provide feedback on how we can serve you all better and lets not worry about this kyc or vpn stuff.
It will not affect you. Full Stop.

This is what bettors want - NO KYC and Free to use VPN for user privacy purposes. You relaxed all of that and took the advice of many users here to keep changing the Tos, which is much appreciated.

I think by implementing 2-3-4 we will be satisfied with what you are doing in this casino which makes it easier for bettors to remain anonymous.

I created an account with 2up a few weeks ago. It's a great bookmaker, I recommend it to everyone. It's great that you don't work with BETBY.

The interface is reminiscent of STAKE.

The only thing I don't like is that when the line is closed, you can't always see it on the website itself; it's only through a refresh, so I don't see it in real time.

I checked it and can also make deposits with my local currency, there are two ways, with QRIS and bank transfer, but I don't want to do that, I prefer to stick with crypto. Maybe tomorrow I'll try playing in my free time, or betting on basketball, I just haven't decided on which match yet.

Hi guys just to let you know, today i just tried to register and i face several problems (maybe they were on my side) when i tried to register in the normal way, the page keeps in loading and nothing happens after a few minutes, after it i tried to register with a google account, and the page refresh but the account was not create at all i tried several times with the same results.

I was using Firefox and when i change to Chrome i can register in the normal way in the first click, seems like is a problem with some browsers or maybe it was mine.

I register because i saw a multiple markets on the sportbook which are not longer ofered in a few other bookies.

At the end of October, I made a deposit on their site and after many bets, I lost it on slots. However, I didn't notice the email I received this month about the Loyalty Bonus, which starts on the 15th of each month to claim for 5 days. I missed two days of claiming it. It seemed interesting, and I'll try to be more active on their site.

In my estimation, you guys have done amazing and are keeping to your word.
People will never be 100% satisfied and that’s how life and business is. My recommendation is to focus more on those who give constructive criticism and reviews for improvement.

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This is probably a bug. This happened to me too, when I tried to register with my email address and password, the page was refreshing repeatedly, but it was not registering at all.

After that, I was able to create an account by linking my Google account from the "Login with Google Account" option. After that, I went to Settings and manually added my Gmail account to the profile, and verified it with OTP.

I thought the problem might be with my IP address or browser, but after reading your post, I just realized it was a bug. You can clear your browser data and cookies and check the "Login with Google Account" option again.  Hopefully it will work. Or you can contact support

Thank you very much for your feedback, we will investigate.

Thanks

What a nice review but I hope the casino team will not change their pattern in the future. I have seen casinos that started in this manner but later started asking for verification at some points, maybe due to regulatory issues. Is there a limited amount you can deposit or withdraw for you to undergo KYC verification? Maybe you can check this mate so you can be fully aware of their terms and conditions.

Based on what 2UP.io mentioned in this thread and what's written in their ToS, there's no information about any deposit or withdrawal limits. So I think users have no withdrawal limits. As long as you're not from a restricted country and you meet the withdrawal requirement which is just a 1x wager of your total deposit the process should go smoothly. That's what I understand from their current ToS.

I also hope they stay consistent with their No KYC. But yeah, we never really know what might happen in the future. The casino still has the right to change their ToS if they need to. It's just that any change like that will obviously affect player satisfaction.

If the 2UP.io casino has no hidden limit for players then I think I am going to try using it. Most of the casinos I have been using especially some from this community always have a limited withdrawal and some will ask for your level one verification before you can fully use their website and get access to bonus and free spins. 1x wager is also okay for me and if this applies to bonus eligibility then that will be fantastic.

Hi，we do not have withdrawal limits. You will be required to turnover 1x on the deposit (this feature will be implemented early next month).

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No problem at all, its nice to have feedback between the team or company and the players.

Maybe this weekend i start to use the page and spend some money on it to see how fast it works and how many markets on live you have, like i said in pre match you have a lot of markets and i apreciatte it.

Played a 5-leg combo on the upcoming premier league weekend. It is always difficult to predict matches after an international break, players struggle to pick up their previous form and some clubs are hit by injuries making for a chaotic weekend.

I also did an 8-leg combo on the upcoming UCL fixtures next week, got to survive this weekends games before considering the outcome of that one. I will normally wait to see the outcome of the first set of league games but I feel odds may go lower.

The sport fixture is great on 2up. Great selection of games, easy to navigate through the different sports and leagues and rich list of available options to bet on. I will like to be able to select the amount I want to bet on in USD even if I made a deposit in bitcoin or just the value of the BTC amount I enter.

- Jay -

Yes, you're right. The fact is that there's a lot of service rendered by 2UP.io, which makes them stand out in the crypto gambling, and it is interesting to have a gambling platform on this forum which works as a form of community centric gambling platform.
If you want to try the gaming service, you can try the no deposit code, which was introduced for this forum's gamblers.

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Exactly, things can get messy after an international break,, however I think my two bets for Matchday-12, on City and Bournemouth are not too shabby  8)

I could see that most models are still picking City as the favourites for City vs Newcastle. They have been in great form recently and Newcastle have been inconsistent at times. Speaking of Bournemouth vs West Ham, Bournemouth have the home advantage, and West Ham have a shaky defence

All in all, yah it is risky to take combo bets after the break, so without a Hail Mary bet, I think these two value plays would not be too bad, ;)

Hi there, you may deposit any coin and switch the fiat view to USD and you will be able to enter USD value.

Thanks
Good luck!

Hi guys i just found one thing that need to be fixed fast because can generate a lot of confussion.

When you are in the corner market in a live match one of the markets available is not for corners and is for handicaps about the score not about corners, please fix this fast, a lot of people can lost a lot of money because of that.

Here is the proof of what im talking about.

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Just in case i bet on it just to confirm my suspicions.

What do you mean by no deposit code? Like I don't have to use a code to register? I think you need to explain more about this so I can have adequate understanding about what you meant and how I can start a journey with 2UP casino since they have no KYC compulsory requirement for players and no limited withdrawals.

Thanks for your feedback we will investigate and fix.


Hi there.

Use the banner links or invitation code btctalk when you register so you can have options of 200% + up to 500FS welcome bonus offer.

And in future when we do no deposit bonuses or free spins you can claim them because it will be only available to forum members here.

Thanks

Thank you for your reply and I will take my time to go through the 2UP website and do the needful. Is the welcome bonus available immediately I make a deposit? I like the fact that your casino is absolutely no KYC and it's will be fun playing games there without any restrictions in terms of withdrawal.

How about the terms about this exclusive bonus for bitcointalk members? As you have not included this offer in your promotions page, full terms about this offer should be written here or you can create a new thread in the games and rounds board for this promotion where you can put full details of this promo.
Before deciding to take such a bonus, players need to know the full details about the bonus so there will be no complaints later.
Sorry if you have written about the terms of this bonus in your other post, if you did it then forget about my suggestion. 

I believe the 2UP.io team's response has provided you with adequate information to understand.
For a better understanding, they hosted a no-deposit bonus for Bitcointalk gamblers weeks ago, which I don't know is currently on hold. That's what I was suggesting you try out before kicking off your gambling experience on their platform. Since it's on hold, you can use the btctalk suggested until there's another no deposit bonus event.

That is a really cool offer, will be cool if users who register through the link are tracked and rewarded for wagers as they go along,

I got the first pick right in my 5-leg combo, 4 more to go most of which will kicking off soon. Is there a cash out option on 2up?

- Jay -

I was never aware about the no deposit bonus hosted by this casino which I don't really know why it was ended so quick. Although I am not really interested about getting bonus without any input like making a deposit and playing games on the casino to activate the reward. Since all other casinos used to ask for at least 1x wager, seeing that as a require on 2UP wouldn't be strange at all but if the team choose to be generous and ask for a bet without a minimum 1x wager, that will be fantastic.

No deposit bonuses usually have higher wagering requirements and stricter limits on withdrawals. Since the casinos doesn't require that you deposit real money, they don't earn anything from your stay at their site if you only come to claim the no deposit bonus. To protect themselves, they add additional restrictions. Higher wagering requirements and a lower maximum winning limit are two common things compared to standard deposit bonuses.   

Yup, we can think of the no-deposit bonus like something that is offered to you for free without spending anything at all. The casino gives us a little bit of free money so that we can test the site.

Even when the casino gives us deposit bonuses (the one we get if we actually deposit in the casino), there are high wagering requirements with it too, so for the bonuses that come without any deposit, there will be even more stricter wagering requirements to get the money withdrawals in case we win.

Personally for me I don't like using free bets or even bonuses to gamble because the conditions attached to some of these free bets are just too much. Because even if you win you have to wager to get your winning which at the end of the day you lose both your winning and the extra money used in wagering. These are just calculated efforts by Casinos in making people to bet the more and nothing else body should be moved about bonuses and free bets because there's nothing special about it.

There are definitely some free bets that are usually worth it bud, special free bets won from some type of contest organized by casinos usually come with absolutely not extra wager requirements unlike the free bets gamblers get to claim from the casino for maybe registration or deposit and some other bonuses like that, giveaways/freebies and maybe simply for promotion/advertising purposes.

For me though, I usually don't care about freebet, bonuses and so on cus of this same reason you gave, but I am just letting you know that there are still some free bets are actually comes with no strings attached to it aside the fact that when you bet on a match with freebet and won, you are only paid the profit and not with the capital value of the bet.

Being free itself is the one special about it.  It is not just to make people bet more, but an invitation for people to try the site without spending money.  Yes, you can say that there are demo games but betting real money is a different experience. It is fine if you do not want to lose any money, but at the end of the day, most gamblers will always look at this kind of offer as a chance to try the platform without spending a dime. Many gamblers prefer this even with higher wagering requirements and low limit withdrawal because it is free.

It depends on the casino and the type of bonus. Free bets in sports betting are good bonuses. The best ones only require 1x wagering before you can withdraw your money, minus the initial wager. Competitions like that appear sometimes in the Games & Rounds subforum. Other free bets in sports betting require a 2x or higher wagering requirement.

This is what I am curious about too myself since cashout is essential for me in whatever sportsbook I play at and it's especially useful when placing all sorts of parlay/accumulator bets in my opinion.

Newcastle helped me win decent money earlier though the Texans screwed me by winning against Bills. Unpredictable underdogs as usual.

I get your point. There are free bets that are just traps to get you hooked and bet more than you can afford to lose eventually. However, to the best of my knowledge casinos also do their best to be transparent and spelt out whatever terms and conditions are attached to the free bets and it is left for the bettor to decide to accept it or reject it. For me, my expereince with free bets has been smooth and there was no wager requirements. However, it was time-bound. If I didn't use it within a specific period, I lose it.

It’s still not the casino’s fault if we get hooked. That’s actually their purpose, it’s marketing to make us gamble more. At the end of the day it depends on us and how we handle it. It may be bad for some people, but for others like me, I like free bets. Anything free is good to take as long as you’re already using the casino. It’s just an extra bonus.

Hi there

The promotion was done a few weeks ago, the full details are on the second post of this thread.

We will do another one soon in a week or 2.


Yes there is a cashout feature, just go to my bets on the sports section.



Yes you are right so it is good to read the terms of the deal.

I think the deal we had before was not bad though. Basically you get 10$ free, if you want to withdraw you make a deposit equal to your balance and wager it 5x.
So you can play for free, if you get lucky and turn the 10$ into 50$ then you deposit another 50$ and wager 250$, sounds quite normal, you would generally wager 5x your money, its not like 200% first time deposit bonus that has big rollover because casinos need to protect from bonus hunters.

See the second post for full details.


Check out the second post of this thread please, we do another one within 2 weeks, so stay tuned.
Make sure use BTCTALK as invitation code when you sign up.


Yes you can cashout, its available in sports section my bets.
But I cannot be 100% sure it is available for combo bets or not please take a look.

Thanks

Are the previous members who claimed the previous promotion able to claim this one, too? Or is it just for the first timer on the platform?


The withdrawal requirement for this bonus sounds reasonable to me. I have seen other casinos implement bonuses, but one needs to drain his deposit first and start using the bonus fund before the wagering requirement to be able to withdraw countdown starts

I just read the 2UP representative’s reply to your post in which he explained the requirements for this promotion, and to be honest, it seems fair.
Besides, claiming bonuses is not mandatory to be able to play at the casino. So, if you don’t like the requirements or think they are unfair, simply ignore the promotion and don’t claim the bonus and go straight to playing your favorite games. This way, you won’t need to wager your deposit more than usual.

Previous claimers can claim the new promotion no problem BUT people are not allowed to set up multiple accounts to claim the same promotion multiple times.





Yes that is correct

Yea, that's what I do. When there's a promotion that I don't want to participate in due to some personal reasons, I ignore it after reading, make my deposit and have fun for a while. Whatever promotion or bonus a casino is on, is a thing of choice.

Personally, I think the bonus requirements are fair enough because people can abuse it. If you're participating with a sincere heart, you wouldn't see it as a big deal but to try your luck. However, gamble with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.

Same here, I seldom claim promotional stuff and bonuses, I only take bonuses if the requirement is fair, since, I had experienced claiming bonusess and found out that it has an extremely hard wagering requirement. (My bad, though, by not reading the requirement first)


But other casinos give a wagering requirement that is impossible to achieve, especially when they limit the game to be played for the wagering requirement.  We understand that it is for the casino protection but some casinos implement an extremely impossible requirement as if the bonus is a trap to deplete players fund in a much easier way.  ;D


Thank you for answering my inquiries.

Personally, whenever I see a bonus ad and after reading the requirements I find that it requires a 30x rollover or more to withdraw the winnings, I just skip it. I don’t think too much about it because I know my chances of being in profit after fulfilling the wagering requirement are close to zero.
A bit off-topic, but always when reading the rules (for example for a deposit bonus), make sure to check if the wagering requirement applies to the deposited amount only or to the deposited amount plus the bonus amount because this can make a huge difference.

Obviously, these kinds of requirements are not meant to force users to make deposits or continue playing, casinos also need to protect themselves from users who are simply chasing bonuses. Bonuses are rewards given by casinos to users, they are free to decide whether to take the bonus or not, if they are lucky then they must follow the casino rules, I think this is very fair.

You're right. There is nothing wrong with the requirement, it is quite fair. If the requirement is too easy, people can abuse it. And as far as I know, it is the right of the casino owner to apply any requirement. Sure, we must always use safe money, it means the amount of money we afford to lose. In gambling, it is surely mostly about the luck. So, we should always think in a realistic way.

Yep, it isn't a must. If we can't deal with the requirement, we can gamble without thinking the bonus. It is true that the casino owner must have some consideration to apply a certain requirement. They must be aware of the possible abuse, so they create a bit strict rules. As far as it is reasonable, I think it shouldn't be a problem.

Today I received a Black Friday email with a special code offering 100 free spins with no rollover on the winnings. I was really excited to try my luck because deals like this don’t come around very often. Unfortunately, the spins didn’t go as I hoped, and in the end I only managed to win $1.30

^^
Sorry to hear that you didn’t make a significant win but I still hope you enjoyed the free spins.
Anyone who gets 100 free spins would think they could make a nice profit out of them (unfortunately, you weren’t)!
It’s really rare to see casinos offering such generous bonuses with no requirements attached. So, kudos to 2ip for such an offering!
I hope they keep offering such nice bonuses and that this won’t be limited to occasions like the black friday.

I wish you better luck next time!

True that, but there are casinos that implement extreme bonus requirements as if they don't want to part with their funds.  That is why when claiming a bonuse or participating in a promotion, I always check the terms to see whether it is fair or just a money grab.  Gladly 2UP.io platform has reasonable demands for its wagering requirements.


Lucky you, I have none in my email but the weekly reward  :D.

Wow. I was first excited for you when I read the first sentence. It reminded me of the free spins I have gotten in the past. They were less than 100 though and I expected the end to be a mind blowing win- damn. Well, it’s all good as long as you had fun with with spin, in my estimation that still counts. I’d just say here that better luck next time. Question - did you have the choice of picking a game to use the free spins on or it was already pre-picked for you by the casino?

That is a very generous offer, a shame you were not able to turn it into some good profit, but any win is a profit when you get a free spin package. I rushed to check my email, did not get any special codes yet  ;D. I will be checking more often and of course playing more to qualify for those kind of offers.

- Jay -

Spinning a free wheel is fun in itself. It doesn't matter if one is unable to make good money from the free spins, it's just a bonus and all depends upon luck. Although I didn't get any free spins on this site, whenever I got free spins on other sites, I also couldn't make any good money out of them. Don't know if they program these free bets so no one could win, but usually those are only for promoting the casino and bringing gamblers to the casino as everyone will try their luck, no matter if they lose.

I think the free spins use the same setup as the regular spins have, RTP and house edge are still the same as the normal bets.  I have claimed lots of free spins from different casinos before, and the experience is the same as if I were wagering my own money. I win sometimes, I don't get anything sometimes, but if lucky, I even get into the bonus round using those free spins. 

If the game is fair and not rigged, which I believe is the case for almost all slot games from trusted and well-known game providers, then the result will be the same whether you play free spins or regular spins. The only difference is the bet value since in free spins it will be set by the casino and you can’t change it.
I’m really curious to know what the bet value was in this case as someone would need to be very unlucky to win only $1 or $2 from 100 free spins if the bet value was $0.2 or more!