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Honestly, most of us think more about how much we can win, right? We plan the payout, imagine the run, and dream about hitting that one big bet. But not a lot of people actually think about the amount they’re fine losing.For me, that part matters more, especially if you’re betting long-term. If you can manage your losses, you’ll last longer. The wins will eventually come, but if your bankroll’s gone early, that’s it, no next chance no comeback.

So I’m wondering, which side do you guys think is more important? The expected profit or the expected loss?

Aim for victory but be prepared for defeat
That's a good tip

I always set a bankroll for a particular competition I'm participating in or for a certain period of time.
So in the worst case scenario, if I lose all my money, I stop there, and that was my preparation.
Obviously, I want to win and I hope to win, but that way I don't lose all my money, I don't end up without betting, and I always go slowly and gradually

I always recommend setting a bankroll  ;)

This is actually one of the most important things to think about. Some gamblers still struggle to understand what bankroll really means, and that’s why many of us don’t know how to manage it properly. Casual bettors usually just spend whatever they can gamble for the day and let tomorrow take care of itself.

But if we’re talking about bankroll seriously, it’s meant to last long term. It’s not just about surviving one session or one streak, it’s about making it last through ups and downs. Profit should be viewed the same way, not from one lucky win, but from consistent results over time.

It's gambling so that obvious answer will be expected profit, you don't play in the beginning or even if you're losing almost all of your bankroll, you still have that mindset to make a u-turn and still win in the end.

Losses will be there eventually, it might affected you in a negative way like your mental health. But in the end you can recover from that, a day or two and you will be back gambling again and aiming for that big win.

I'm echoing rdluffy. Aim for victory but be prepared for defeat.

Every time I go out gambling, the money I bring I already considered lost. So, it has to be an amount I'm willing to let go. I can't bring an amount that if lost would make me worried. That's why if I'm betting on cock fights, I can easily go all-in on the last fights because the entire money that I bring is for betting. It's a different story, of course, when it involves online betting. I hate making deposits refilling my wallet, that's why I want my balance to last as long as possible.

If a gambler can maintain his bankroll properly then it is better for him to have a long term plan because he does not take excessive risks while gambling. They wait for the opportunity and withdraw money after big wins. I use this strategy most of the time because it is quite effective in reducing unexpected losses.

When you can maintain your bankroll properly then there should be no fear of losing extra money. The advantage of long term betting is that you can use a limited bankroll by using small amount of funds and withdraw according to your needs.

No one wants to lose in gambling. All gamblers want to win but unfortunately, that will not come to most gamblers but only to the lucky gamblers. Many gamblers are not ready for the loss so they will keep playing because they want to recover their losses.

If they want to gamble, they should think about the loss. The loss will come to them anytime without they noticing. They can think about how much winning they want but they need to think about how much money they lose just to chase the win?

Normally, we expect profit rather than loss. But many things can happen in gambling so we should be ready for that. It is better for you to only think about the fun thing and try to enjoy the moment.

Expect means aim, right? Well, I never aim for defeat because the reason I gamble is to win. But I also don’t ignore the reality that most bettors lose money which means, statistically, we’ll lose more often than we win. That’s just how it is.

What makes the difference is trying not to be part of that majority. That’s the only way we can call ourselves profitable gamblers. Still, it depends on each person’s mindset. Some are already happy even if they’re not profitable , maybe for them, the fun itself is already the reward.

There isn't expected profit in gambling, so I guess everyone has to be content with expected losses which are to come, what means every gamblers should be prepared to face losses and what to do once they lose. That is part of the plan of a responsible gambler, so further losses can be avoided by not trepassing their personal limits which are predetermined before the gambling session begins.

On the other hand, it's not fun to start gambling with a thought in mind that you are going to lose. So the best approach must be to just set a fixed bankroll, and once the money is gone, the gambler has to quit. Don't think about the potential outcomes, just enjoy your time and hope to be lucky for the day. If it doesn't happen, go home or close the app with the certainty to be doing the right thing by not going beyond your limits.

I think as humans it's only natural if we expect an expected winnings if we try to gamble rather than the loss  It's probably wire in us that we need to win, of course who wants to lose, we gamble because we wanted to win. Well, the loss is probably given considering house already give us of what we should expect to loss because of the odds but I think profit will come pre-betting and loss only comes post-betting or when we think there's nothing we can do with the outcome.

Actually, there is no term loss to expect because most people expect to win, but thinking about the risk of losing that happens will also be wiser.

This depends on how the management is done correctly at the beginning before the bets are made.
There are several divisions to start betting and reserve money that is provided to maintain a position on gambling.

Expecting a win is normal, but you have to know whether the potential to win will be achieved or not, If in the evaluation there should be more wins than losses,
If it is the other way around, then stop gambling or betting and don't force keeping playing.

I think everyone comes prepared for two basic consequences, as stated in the thread title above: expected gain or expected loss. But, one thing that must be instilled in the minds of both myself and my other friends is to never imagine that making a profit at the competitive table will be easy. The journey of gambling is not always smooth sailing. We can learn from our mistakes. From our mistakes, we can improve our skills and survive in this space.

The next step, we must be able to determine the best time to bet, be mentally prepared, have capital, and be prepared for losses if we consistently follow the same pattern. Sometimes, we should also listen to the advice of others who are already experts at this game.

No one hopes to lose. But imagining it is normal in gambling or trading. However, the most important thing is to be realistic with your analysis. That is, determining when I should stop when I am ahead and when to stop when I am losing. Being prepared with two plans seems to make one feel safer. So even if you are in a losing position but you have a stop strategy, then stop. There will be another opportunity another day with management and analysis that may be better. So don’t hesitate to take a loss before you lose all the capital you have. After that, take the lesson and learn with better management. IMO

I think the kind of mentality we have to possess should.....

Expect the unexpected.   ;D

The fact that casino exist is a straightforward proof that losses are bigger than profits for the casinos and even we try to fine tune out betting amount we will end up in a net loss more often than win.

Hence always try to minimize the bankroll being lost and keeep it limited to amounts that we can afford to lose.

Keep your mentality that you will lose that moeny no matter what you do. Even if you think you will win. Keep a fixed budget to lose every month, follow it religiously, and you will not be disappointed.

Obviously gambling is more about losing than winning, so we should always bear it in mind that profit can only come when the luck is on your side. Though, expecting gain from gambling all at the time is causing many losses in gambling because they don't care if there is anything called losses, they are always after for the profit they would make which is very wrong decision because gambling is not by smartness or power, it is your luck that have the final say.

The truth is that we are more concerned about our potential winnings than how much we are actually losing in the process and you are right, we really should be considered by the factors instead of just one, but right now I like to think that we should always consider how much we are willing to lose because understanding this will help us control our gambling habit, by knowing how much you can afford to lose you will also know when to stop and if you still have a few more bets to go before you hit your limit, most of us don't really consider this and that why betting has affected most people in more negative ways.
Individuals should consider this and put a limit on how much they spend on betting.

I think if people stop dreaming about hitting the big win they will not gamble at all, and this would not need to worry about what happens to your balance be it positive or negative. Of course people who think more about their bankroll can play longer and have a better chance of hitting that max win though this can also have that other not good effect of bringing one person into addiction if the losing sessions are consecutive, which in most cases this is the bitter reality. We all start gambling sessions with the hope of hitting such big wins but I soon realize like most of us do that this is not what happens most of the time.

There's no guarantee that the wins will eventually come. You can as well finish your bank roll and still with no wins. While gambling is usually better to not assume too much or expect too big from a game that's yet to be played out. You might end up hurting your emotions because it didn't turn out as expected. As a responsible gambler the first thing that should come to your mind is not how much you are going to make but how much you will lose while playing. Losses are more in the game, so putting too much hopes on winning would eventually lure you into many losses and you may not be able to control them on time.

You should never plan for an expected gain, it will lead to losses. You should also plan for the bet to be an expected loss.

If you have the mindset that you need to win, you will keep betting and betting and will be wrong and will lose everything. You need to accept the fact that gambling is risky and you might lose money and gamble with that in mind.

If you win, then its good, its a bonus. But if you lose, then its expected and you can move on and gamble some other day. You can't gamble and expect it to pay the bills and such, It will lead you to going on tilt and losing even more money.

We can't expect to win without losing when we play in any casino, right? Though, all gamblers really aim to win in gambling as much as possible. But in reality, the majority usually lose.

However, many still return to gamble because of their positive belief that one day they will also experience luck, where they will go home with a big winning from gambling
something that shouldn't be believed in my opinion. It's better not to expect.

There is no doubt that both are important, you really need to take care of your bankroll first and then see how it goes for you. Specially if you betting in the long-term. Let's say you put a $200.00 bankroll for your NBA betting. So if you go and unlucky in the beginning you might be down -50%. But still though you have a fighting chance with your remaining money so now you should be looking at your expected profit and at least make it break even. So just play around with your capital and then see if you can tip the balance for you. If yes then good, you are in the profit side already. But it not, then back out again and protect your capital at all cost.

I have heard this phrase from many wise gamblers "hope to win but expect to lose" the statement looks somehow pessimistic but that is the reality about gambling. If your main focus is about winning but not considering what it will likely cost you to win you might go bankrupt in your desperation to achieve your aim. Since you don't know when you can get the breakthrough it is better to always use amounts that you are comfortable to loose for your gambling. You need to be lucky before you can win and you don't know when your lucky day will be so try to always gamble responsibly.

I expect loss, I consider amount I am betting gone. This is why I never bet big amounts that could make me lose my sanity, and imo in gambling everyone should think about losses first and never a win and there will be no disappointment.

Expect to gain since this give you motivation to continue, but exert some effort to do some strategy that can possibly make you avoid losing lots of money.

If you have that expectation that you eventually lose your money then for sure that you will not last any long and you won't enjoy gambling since what already set up on your mind that whatever things you do you end up losing.

Although its good to be aware on those consequences but there are some sort of strategy that can help us to win or secure our winnings if it happens that we are currently on lucky streak.

 ;D ;D ;D. That nice and warm joke. Yeah. We always want to experience that feeling, especially when we get a benefit we never predicted, whether it's luck, luck, or something else, but it's quite enjoyable.

But sometimes, another unexpected thing we experience is when we make a wrong move due to being overconfident and a little hasty in making a decision.

But that's normal if we're tough fighters.

Most gamblers focus on the dream of profit the image of that one big win that changes everything but very few take the time to think about the part that actually decides how long they can stay in the game the losses every bet has two sides and the smart players are the ones who spend more energy understanding the downside because survival in gambling is not about how much you win it’s about how long you can keep playing without going broke.

Loss management becomes the real skill behind every gambler who lasts long term they set limits before they even start knowing exactly how much they can afford to lose and once that amount is gone they stop no matter how close a win might seem that control separates gamblers from dreamers because the game will always promise another chance but only discipline gives you the ability to take it. Chasing only profit builds false hope that one day luck will swing hard enough to erase all the losses but that rarely happens most people lose more by believing they are due for a win instead of accepting that gambling is unpredictable and built for the house to win the more you expect the more disappointment grows and the more dangerous the game becomes.

The smart ones will think about how much they can lose more than they can win, because winning consistently is impossible in gambling, but losing is a normality, I have learn to expect loss more than win and I only feel spooked after losing times have become too significant to notice.

Even if I keep losing for a week straight all I do is take a brake for a while and come back later, this have always work for me, casinos have a higher advantage of making money off everyone, people should take this part very seriously, and this is why it is better to always risk what you can afford to lose only, you can never tell if what's waiting for you next is to win or lose.

In order to play reliably without sacrificing profitability (if you are profitable at all), i.e., in order for your deposit to grow at an optimal pace, you need to use the Kelly criterion. Using this criterion solves two problems mentioned above at once: theoretically, when a winning streak occurs, you have enough funds to take advantage of it, and when a losing streak occurs, you do not risk so much that you could lose your deposit.
I can't say that I always adhere to this, but when I evaluate a bet, I think about it in the long term, as if it were not a separate one, but a super multiple.

That's human nature, it's have hard for gamblers not to chase their losses but it's essential for them to learn how to know their emotions because in gambling anything can happen, one can either win or loss and it's certain that your loss might be higher than your wins.

But with self-control one can be able to balance their emotions and can able to detect when to quit or stop when gambling especially if their losses are more than winning, because this helps in avoid getting addicted.

Profit is something that you mustn`t think about. You have to concentrate on your analyze, your strategy, money management... I never think how much i can win or lose, it doesn`t matter if your strategy and analyze are ok. I`ve got lose streaks, i`ve got weekly loss few times, but it doesn`t matter - i`ve never got monthly negative profit/loss balance.
Just calculate your bet size as some percent of your bankroll and don`t change it from bet to bet.
PS. Time to time you ought to recalculate your bankroll - withdraw some money and recalculate bet size. But between these calculations, you don`t change bet size.

Isnt that size of a deposit people made? Isnt that the rules of gambling? "Deposit only amount you can afford to lose". Deposit is a maximum of what we can lose. Or that is only how I see gambling. If I deposit $100, win $500 and lost them, then for me I have lost $100 this evening, not $500. I think I am on a side of "expected gain", as I already know how much I will lose this evening, and I have an amount when I will start thinking about withdrawal (that is usually x2 of my deposit, if I double it, I quit).

Sometimes I just have the fun a little and use just all my weekly bankroll for gambling to gamble on just one game at once. It can be up to 2 to 3 odds. If I win, I will withdraw all the money including the profit, but if I lose the money, that is it, I can afford to lose it.

Sometimes I may want to spend more time gambling but not all the time.

Yesterday I bet on Chelsea to win and and Bayern to win first half that bets was 1.91 odds in total and I won the money and withdrew the money immediately the match was over and won the bet. It was fun also.

Every gamblers in this world had the same feeling that everytime want to starting gambling certainly most of us want to won some money and there were no gamblers who want to gamble because want to wasting their money or to lose that's why some gamblers have dreaming someday they can gets the jackpot from gambling

For me personally expected loss is good because in my opinion this is important that while gambling we should be prepare to lost because if the people can be discipline to these behaviours i think they can able to managed their bankroll with very well so, gambling is not about how to won the money but as a gambler we should be accept our loses and not attempt to recover it

I agree with you, it is better not to expect in gambling, try to enjoy it only for a short time, here winning never comes as expected, rather if you expect it here, it causes more losses. There are many who, if they win once or twice, their confidence increases, and they think, now a bigger win will come. This kind of mistake makes people make the same mistake again and again, but this is what needs to be controlled, not the hope of a big win, rather the reality needs to be accepted and gambling should be limited.

Every time I make a deposit, I always prepare myself to accept the loss, because it is not easy to withdraw money from the casino due to several things including our own greed that is not satisfied with the results that have been obtained so that we end up losing all the money that has been obtained, but the important thing is to think that when I lose, it is the money that is deposited that is lost, there is no need to count the profits obtained because in my opinion, profits will be called profits when we have withdrawn the money.

I wouldn't think about expecting to lose when gambling. Why would I waste money if I only expect to loss? Of course, gambling still involves the hope of doubling my money, but if that doesn't happen
- how can I deal with those losses?
- Should I stop before my balance runs out, or continue until I lose all my money? and,
- what will I do if I lose and reach my deposit limit?

These are all important points when gambling, not whether to expect to win or lose. And even there is no real surveys that i read, I think 99% of gamblers expect to win or even hit a big win not for loss.

My attention is usually fixed on the losses most of the times and that is because like you have rightly mentioned, before the wins comes in, the loss management matters the most first because how well you manage the win will determine how long you will stay to eventually get on a win and possibly recover from all that you have lost. but if you are so focused on the win alone, the most part of the times you will suffer losses more and have only but a few chances at the win which may even not be making up for your loses well enough to give you the actual joy of gambling. keeping your losses in mind so you can be able to as much as possible keep them under control will mean and help a whole lot to you than you will if you are ever having to continually focus mostly on the wins alone.

In gambling, I think what is most important is being a responsible player, whether you are losing or winning, if you are playing responsibly, you won't feel that much regret of someone that places so much value on gambling for their daily survival. Some persons can stake with a huge amount of money in the name making a big gain, that's greed and an act of irresponsible gambling behavior. The ability to stake with an amount that won't hurt you so bad when lost, is better off than taking big risk.

The expected loss is what also needs to be considered because gambling is not just about winning but also losing. It makes no sense to only think about winning in gambling when winning is not even certain.

Expecting only to win in gambling is also what makes people desperate, which leads to excessive gambling. When the thought of loss is there, knowing that it can happen, one will always remember to gamble with an amount they can afford to lose.

 As it is gambling, it is essential to keep both winning and losing in mind because it plays an important role for a gambler to consider the ideal amount that should be used in gambling.

I believe it's better to have the expected loss, as it will prevent me from gambling more than I can afford to lose. Most of the time, it's the imagination of winning a lot, but it's not going to help because it might not come true, and you might get attracted to putting in more to reach that goal that you have imagined.

It is better to lose one day than to lose your whole life.

One thing about gambling is that, you can’t control how much you’ll win, but you can control how much you’ll lose. The reason most gamblers lose more than they win is because they pay less attention to their bankroll, yeah they lack bankroll management, they don’t even know a thing about risk management, it’s always about how much they stand to win, sometimes they ignore the odds and even when they lose, they don’t reflect on the reason why they lost in the first place, they’re already trying again, and they continue in this loop until they’re completely drained.

All gamblers surely hope to win; no one expects to lose. Although gamblers can never truly avoid losses. 
But betting management helps gamblers last longer in the game. I guess it all depends on the strategy each gambler applies while playing. 
Some gamblers, or even most gamblers, may not count or pay attention to the amount they lose in betting. What they focus on is each session's bet, whether it results in a win or a loss.

For now and this second I have not found anyone who immediately spends money as capital hoping for a loss, 100% of the people I have found and seen them all hope for a profit, including me personally.

So, the question is, does everyone who gambles need capital to bet, if yes, of course they hope for a profit, regardless of whether they gamble for fun, hobby, entertainment, addiction and so on, we all hope that there will be a profit in every gambling bet, that's for sure.

The risk is the one to be considered no matter how good of a game it might be you risk must still be standard and and not more than you should be risking, a lot of people have made regrettable mistakes because of how they did not manage their risk. i have been in situation where by i had so much confidence in a game i was so tempted to risk so much because of how good it was but i actually got discipline and risked my regular, and to may greatest surprise the game didn't go as planed, at that point i was totally surprised and grateful at the same time because i didn't risk more that normal because of how confident i was about the game. so no matter how good the trade may look i still choose to prioritize my risk than rewards.

This is the most important thing you mentioned in your statement.

Having the right discipline on your habits is the key in incurring huge amounts of losses on your part. If you are fully aware of the allocated budget for the day, then you should be responsible enough to NOT withdraw money further once you reach this. If you continue this practice of only exhausting your budget for the day, then you would be able to prevent being addicted to gambling.


You should always have the mindset of expecting a loss.

The reason behind this lies on your judgement whenever you are faced with these situations. For example, if you approach the gambling by expecting a win, you can potentially chase this win ultimately falling into an endless loop. However if you expect some losses on your part, this would compel you to stop at a certain point preventing from going overboard on your budget.

This is precisely why casinos punish those who believe in miracles and have a positive outlook on life. Those who believe they'll win will face problems, as they don't anticipate losses and won't be prepared for losses or even the most dangerous situations. These optimists will try to win back their losses time and again, losing more and more deposits and bankrolls.

Never expect too much from gambling. We all know that we lose more than we win in most cases, so it would be wrong to expect only wins. However, it is not wrong to look out for big wins and also make plans on how to use them. Some economists claim that the reason why some big winners in gambling become bankrupt after a short period is that they don't have a plan in place on how to use such an amount. High rollers expect the best but they are also ready for the worst.


When we see or hear stories of people who harm themselves, like committing suicide because of gambling losses, it is a typical example of people who are not ready or prepared to accept losses. Maybe they have expectations and were disappointed by the outcome of their bets.

In fact, everyone wants to win and make a profit from the casino. Casino players never want to lose, they play the casino again and again with the hope that they will lose, and later on, they see a ray of hope in the midst of that loss that if we can win, maybe our losses will be covered. They should not understand that they should not play the casino with such hope. You can never expect 100% surety in casino games because the style of the game changes in an instant.

For this, there will be a message for every casino player, always play the casino to enjoy it, do not take it as a profession or as a means of earning half, then you can keep yourself safe.

Gambling is not something that can be won frequently, so the longer you keep your bankroll, the more you can expect to win from gambling. Because if I can continue gambling, then I can dream of winning. But if I quickly finish my bankroll by making big bets, then in that case there will be no expectation of winning and recovering the loss. And at that time, to continue gambling, I will have to deposit more and continue gambling. And if someone gets used to making big bets, later gambling with small amounts will not encourage him much. Because of which later he will go to gamble with big amounts even though he cannot afford to lose it. So always gamble with small amounts and keep your bankroll safe.

I'm not being hypocritical; my primary hope is to win. However, I must also be prepared to accept that losing is an inevitable consequence, because ultimately, the house always wins. Therefore, to be a responsible gambler, minimize losses, and survive long-term, setting a bankroll is key. Healthy bankroll management can at least help minimize our losses and avoid serious financial ruin. Simply put, if you lose, stop immediately; that's your limit.

No matter how experience you are in the field you will surely experience profit and loss in gambling.there are some people losing will be their starting in the gambling before they will start  gaining to stay long in profit making in gambling.

Gain side  is where I belong in gambling, and am working toward it to become a favor person in gambling. what brought me to gambling is gain and I have nothing to worry when the gain is not coming now, becausei I gamble with what I can afford to lose any day or anytime.

The expected loss is surely more important. Think of what you can easily affard to lose during your gambling session and then never go too much above it. I mean, you can set that number at $10 and then lose $20 in reality, that's okay if it happens once per month. But if you lose $600 per month instead of planned $300 that might cause a problem.

I'm part of that minority who plans possible losses first and how much they can afford to play in the event of an immediate loss, for a week.
I have a limited budget and I try to make ends meet with enough money to be able to afford to place several bets in 7 days.
I happen to win and I use what I won to also play slot machines, trying my luck.
So all in all I play with little expense and wait in hope for a good win, sooner or later it will happen.

Growing up as a kid, my Dad do tell me to always think about the negative and positive sides of life and learn to balance it, he's right afterall and I think same implies to gambling, we shouldn't only think of the possible wins but the possibility of losing so it would help us limit the amount we spend on it, well I've figured out that most people do focus on the bright side forgetting that the chances of losing, sometimes could be higher than what the potential win.

The expected loss is the one we all should look out for because if we plan for the expected loss we might be able to manage our bankroll better. Expected loss may also hurt less. If your losses are less than your actual expected losses then you will feel better but if your wins are less than your expected ones it can hurt your bankroll management.

Well, based on my long months in sports betting, I always prioritize seeing the expected loss. This way, I prepare myself better psychologically and can better manage my bankroll. For example, let's imagine I have $10 in bankroll and I put $1 in a game. When I do this, I start counting that I only have $9 in bankroll and I put in my head that the $1 I bet is a lost bet. Only when the result of my bet comes out and I see that I actually won, then I start counting the profit I made thanks to the $1 bet I made. I use this approach and it saves me a lot of headaches.

I think we should expect both returns, either a gain or loss but most importantly we should be very meticulous about our loses made cause mismanagement of funds ain't a good one. Sometimes everything just happen in a jiffy beyond our expectations but then we ought to be ready for what's to expect at every point in time and hence the need to stop in time.

Seeing that for me I love to gamble with a target amount in mind, I look forward always to the expected profit.
I try to infuse risk management skills that I have learned a long time ago and instead of looking at losses or expecting losses, I tend to always believe in the best positive outcome but limit the number I would have to try for it and if there's a cashout, I may sometimes opt for it just to be done with that bet for the day.

The fact that the whole casino or gambling business idea is operated to give the house an edge over a player or gambler, makes you know that the original default program by the gambling platforms  is expected loss to be greater than expected gains.
They love it when gamblers chase losses and it is only the wise ones that would try to focus on expected gains.

I think both sides, both profits and losses are equally important, the most important thing at the beginning when you play is how you manage each round, whether there is a chance or not, this is where the important role is in gambling. If you use it well, of course the profits will follow you by themselves.

Use winnings as motivation, but losses as a reminder. And remember, And you must remember that gambling is not a field for making money, there is no guarantee that you will always win. The house always has the edge. It's best to play for fun, and not get too caught up in the illusion that you'll win the bigger jackpot you're hoping for.

You know some gamblers are very greedy and for that reason they pay less attention to their continued losing, many gamblers are just after the amount they are ro win so bankrol management is not that important to them, but as a gambler, I think staying safe without being held hostage by addiction, we should as a matter of urgency make sure we monitor the rate at which we keep chasing loss, there something I have to say, in gambling, losing is not something we can shy away from, so we must think about that, if it keeps occuring then we should pull a bit and return later I think that will make us to get the brain relax and get in again, going on and on as we keep losing will amount to what we already know which is not healthy for any gambler.

There is more for us in defining why we are gambling and what we wanted from it, this will now determine the reaction we are going to made whenever we are in either of these situations, regardless of if we are losing or winning, it doesn't matter, all that is of concern is for us to have the necessary opportunities of gambling and making fun in it, without taking it too serious whether we win or lose doesn't matter.

I agree, extending the number of bets increases the chance of winning the bet but it doesn't guarantee more money either so we should never dream or rather expect a win, if it happens, it will and just enjoy it at that time, because we can't plan those things. Always expecting the worse can help with the disappointment but reality is we all are connected with emotions that get carried away from what we are intend to.

Anyway we should know our limits, when we are losing we need to learn when to stop.

When cryptocurrency investors become so greedy  to the point that they doint expect any thing less than profits, at rhag point their will start losing it and stand a chance to end up being demotivated, most of those that have such misconception about cryptocurrency investment also take crypto to be a get rich quick scheme.

I always hope to win, but we can't be sure whether we will actually win or not... So I don't like to make any premature conclusions or plans. It's on us to place the bet and wait for the end of the game... I learned a long time ago that until the referee blows the final whistle, anything is possible... sometimes big changes happen in the last few minutes. Sometimes those changes can be good for us, and many times they simply ruin our bets.

Some of your sentence is too big for me to grasp but yea, everyone gamble to hit a very big amount of money which is profit but we know it is not something that can just happen or come to pass without loss. Loss is something no gambler can run away from despite how careful and good they think or claim to be because when it is not your luck it is not your luck. And sometimes no matter how careful you manage your loss or your money, if you don't have luck that money will definitely be exhausted so it's actually not about been careful but also how lucky you are. I don't expect loss rather I expect win but I do make loss because I can not overcome it all time.

If some one gamble only with the plan of winning, the gambler has a higher chance of losing. Therefore, the gambler should gamble not with winning but also with losing. If the gambler is able to understand the loss well, then it will not be difficult for him to lose. In gambling, everyone is enthusiastic about winning but losing is also deeply embedded in it. I think that since winning and losing are 50-50 with every bet, we should accept not only winning but also losing. When there is a fear of losing while betting, it will be difficult to behave aggressively to win.

Okay, to find the most reasonable answer, we must first examine and research what gambling actually is. Does anyone here agree with me that gambling is a business for casinos, whose goal is to generate profit? Logically, I think it's TRUE.

The reason is because most of the time, we lose more than we win, right? ;)

This means that what's more important is managing and preventing losses. Why? Because even if you chase wins, you never know when they might happen. Another contributing factor is that the percentage of wins is much smaller than losses.

People think about the possibility of winning more than that of losing and I think that this is a wrong mindset to have when it comes to gambling. If you only gamble with the intention of winning you might end up getting disappointed at the end. Gambling is game of wins and losses, this is why its important to always stake responsibly because anything can happen at the end of the day. The chances of winning can only be increase my based on the type of games that you play and also the strategies that you apply to make sure that your losses are been minimised. If you are not tactical you'd lose more

If we know from the start that we will lose in gambling, it is very likely that most people will avoid gambling, because basically gambling is done to try their luck. Everyone will certainly prefer to hope for victory in gambling because if what is expected is defeat, then the gambling that is done will only be in vain and of course only a waste of time with this gambling activity.

This is definitely an important point, what is your main purpose in gambling, depending on this purpose you will get results.
For example, if your purpose is to make money, then your gambling style will be:
You will not be able to accept defeat, if you lose, you will become aggressive to recover the loss, and start gambling more for this. And the end result of all this will be huge losses.
But if your purpose is entertainment, then even if you lose, you will not worry too much about it, you are gambling for a temporary period, so you also can stop yourself at the right time.
This way it will be a healthy pastime, where you will not have any huge financial losses, because you initially started gambling only with the amount you can afford to lose.

I have already estimated the amount of losses for each gambling session. No gambler can avoid losses, so I prepare an amount that I can bear. 
But of course, you know that every gambler expects to win. Still, we must be realistic that we will experience more losses than the wins we get. 
I don't see which is more important. Expecting to win provides motivation. And managing losses is also good for planning your financial budget.

Expectations sometimes can turn out to have negative effects and outcomes on us. Like it can make you remive and take out all the risks away from the equation.

Since I already know that losses come more often than the wins, I tend to expect the losses more than the wins, so that when/if the wins doesn’t come, I’ll feel less or no disappointment and if they come? That’s for the best.

Well, for me it’s the expected loses that is more important because I know what unplanned spending in gambling have led me to, so I don’t ever go there without already having the amount or rough percentages of what I’m willing to lose in that session. I now make deposits of what I’m willing to lose and once that amount is gone I too will leave till I get another one or till I feel the urge to gamble again.

For the wins, I don’t usually think too much about it, as simple as x2 is enough to make me call it a day, and since my deposits are usually not large, it takes very short time to hit it whenever I’m lucky, so whether it’s the lose or the wins, I tend not to spend too much time gambling because I know the kind of person I am and what it could lead to If I spend way much time than I’m supposed to spend gambling.

Expected gain is more considered I mean from my end I’m ready for any outcome always yet winning comes first reason why everyone make possible means to win no matter what. The amount should be limited also not minding a win or lose situation because gambling is totally unpredictable, I know few people will always regret when using little amount mostly after a win, that’s normal but letting emotions gets in doesn’t sound right firstly we don’t know when to expect lose or win so it’s best gamblers stay on budget when gambling always probably exceeding the limit will definitely affect the budget.

It's always good to expect the worst in everything not because you are negative but its a way of building a mental fortitude, this prepares you for anything that happens. Alot of people fail to brace themselves for impact that's why they get disappointed when they lose. Always expect losses more than wins, winning is not guaranteed in gambling it is all based on luck. Just take gambling as a fun activity

I like your idea because you vividly expressed yourself on gambling and how it is unpredictable whether you have a sure game or not, you can still lose money to betting. Those that are new must be wise and patient and not allow other players result to increase the zealousness in them to continue gambling on a steady. We don't expect to lose bet but it has been a norms that people must lose for the casino they are using to have enough money to pay for ads, staffs, partnership and others.

In the world of accounts, you are told to recognise loses than profit even before they happen, and I want to believe this is the same line of thought as what has been shared in the OP.

Besides, I think naturally losses will mess with your mind more than what a win would do to you because nobody enjoys losing.

The way you think indicates a realistic grasp of the reality of gambling. No one can be sure that they will win regardless of how sure they are of their decisions. There is never any doubt about a certainty that gambling is always subject to. Consequently, new entrants are not to hurry in winning. Rather they ought to be taught to learn about their patterns and limits. One should be extremely patient and not make such a decision influenced by emotions or influenced by other players.

It is a normal condition of the process of making casinos operate and losing is a normal factor which all the players should accept. When a person perceives gambling as a game that has material outcomes and does not presuppose that it is a means of earning, one will be capable of making the process enjoyable without being stressed and losing control.

Well, losses are to be expected but I think that our brains functioning well and getting us close to the results that we want.

And that's why it's best to think of the expected gains and wins that we are targeting. While not ignoring the fact that if we've got some losses, just expect them and accept it freely.

So, there's balance in both acceptance but the mindset that we're having is really powerful. And so to begin with, we have to think of the positive results and expected gains that we'll potentially have.

If possible I will tell people to halt gambling because this game is not fun at all. You will win today and lose that money thinking you add going to win another one tomorrow but your tomorrow might never come close.  I know family men that had lost more than they had won as gamblers and that is a warning to those young neggas thinking they can make all the whole money from gambling when your company can not even pay your salary in advance for work you have not done.

From your statement I think the expected loses is more important because it is easy to lose than win that's why we should expect more loses, and that is the more reason we should plan our bankroll very well in other not to get exhausted too quickly while the game is still running. If we can be able to manage our bankroll very much, we may be able to lose more and still hit that big win unexpectedly.

It is not a crime planing to win a game but as you are thinking of it, you should also be prepared to lose the game and in such thinking, you will have to make sure that the money you intend or plan using is a money you can afford to lose at any point in time if in case anything happens. Gamble is unpredictable even core gamblers also do the same as well.

Winning and losing are important in gambling - I truly believe that if we dominate one the them, problems will arise. Gamblers likely can't win more or consistently - while they tend to lose more. So, if we consistently stick to one of them - we'll inevitably encounter problems. The most important thing in my opinion is to gamble responsibly - learning to control yourself and not overdo it. It's unwise to gamble without limits - which is why every gambler needs to have their own limits, including time and money limits.

To be on the safe side its better to expect losses more than gains...this is the reason why you must learn to stake responsibly...its a delusional thing to think that its always possible to win im gambling but if you are not ready to losses then you shouldn't be gambling...expecting losses means that you are ready to accept whatever outcomes that you get from gambling,  you must be mentally prepared for it so it won't take you by surprise

Luck is not profit, if we think about losses first then it is better not to gamble, that means you are not willing to lose & don't think too much about profits in gambling, the more you chase it, the more aggressive you are and the harder it is to control yourself, play casually without thinking about profits and losses

That makes sense, because I think players who hope to win actually end up with the opposite, becoming more aggressive in their gambling, such as chasing wins, which is actually unnecessary because it only makes the situation worse with consecutive losses. Gambling should be done responsibly, but this doesn't happen because of the hope of winning. Furthermore, we should be prepared to lose, after all, losing is more likely than winning.

That's a nice question. According to me I think the expected losses are far more important than the expected wins.
If we don't manage our bankroll well then we won't be able to sustain our profits for a long time.
In that case we will eventually lose more than we win. So managing the bankroll effectively is essential.

If we are careful with our money, then before thinking about how much we will gain, we will first think about how much money we can lose if we take a risk. We try to earn extra money by using the money we have, but the money we earn extra is a different matter, but the money we have in our hands is the most valuable to us, so we have to give more importance to this money. I think it is foolish to gamble with all your money, gamblers should think twice before gambling and then understand the type of gambling and take risks with money. My prediction says that if I bet here, I can get a return on my money, but if we bet on a bet that I have no idea about or about the gambling, then that is also risky for our money. So a gambler has to be both responsible and careful.

I believe the reason for this is misinformation. A lot of people who enter the gambling world are mostly misinformed, which mostly leads the misconception about gambling that the most important thing about gambling is winning, and so they’re willing to do anything just to win. You’ll see a gambler lose over $300 in just a session and still continue playing, and when he eventually wins just $20, he’ll celebrate that winning like it’s worth more than the $300 he lost, and then that $20 serves as a motivation to them to keep going that they could eventually recover their losses and maybe win more, and by the end of the day, they lose even more and go back home with nothing but regrets. Proper information about gambling helps to give us proper guidance on how to approach gambling in order to have a safe gambling experience.

Typically, when someone first starts gambling and makes their first deposit, they already have the amount they can lose in mind. They can see it right in front of them and imagine it clearly. At the same time, of course, they're thinking about winning. For some, the goal is to double their deposit, while for others, it's even ten times their total, and the two are always different.
And it is precisely these different expectations of the final profit that force some to replenish their deposits again, while others are forced to resign themselves to the complete loss of their first deposit.

People think that gambling could change their lives forever and for the better. Unfortunately, they end up compromising their finances. We can't find assurance in gambling. Yes, we can aim for victory but never chase it because that only leads to financial collapse. It is better to just enjoy and consider gambling as entertainment, so it won't pressure our minds and we can sleep well. Of course, we don't expect losses but also prepare for them because gambling is a win-and-lose situation. And we can't change how it works, no matter what. So live it that way.

You have hit the nail on the head, whether it is expected gains or loses what matters is that you're using amount that you can afford to loose at anytime you're gambling. Expecting to win is no doubt very good because everybody likes to be a winner but as much as you like to win you should always remember that loses is a part of gambling also. More importantly to note is that loses occurs more than wins and that is the most important reason why it is better to always use amounts that you can afford to loose. Some gamblers get carried away with their desires of big wins and not put into consideration what they might lose before achieving their aims.

I think this would depend on what pains the gambler most at the end of the outcome of his bet assuming it all went bad for him. What am trying to say is this, there are gamblers that get stuck on complaining about the potential amount they were at the verge of winning before it went bizarre, this set of gambler wouldn't give a scent about how much they've used in staking thwredo the potential win that was unachieved becomes their worry than what they spend.

But in all, having to use what we can afford to lose despite the amount in chase we straining ourselves on winning, what we spend to gamble should be within the limit of what we can afford to lose because at the end of the day it wasn't the potential win we literally lost but what we staked with.

Some persons too are just badly experiencing ill luck, that's why they can not have more wins than their losses, while some players too are just overwhelmed by happiness while winning, they then allow greed to come into their mind which will make them lose all their winnings back to the casino. Some gamblers are actually winning but greed is also making them lose everything back to the casino.

Yes, that's the point. As you said, if we want to win, we must also be prepared to lose. Losing is inevitable, as in gambling, the odds of winning are much smaller than losing.

Unfortunately, losing money is incredibly painful for most gamblers. Most gamblers are prepared to win, but not to lose. That's why so many gamblers become losers, constantly getting emotional when they lose and chasing their losses.

If a person gambles with such thoughts while gambling, he will always win in gambling, this can be a big risk for him. Because while gambling, no one can understand for sure that he will win in gambling. Sometimes if luck is good, there is a possibility of big winnings, but most of the time due to excessive greed, he has to lose in gambling.

I believe there should be a balance, but I rely more on losses than on gains. Not that I enjoy losing, or that I gamble for it, but for me, it's the greatest certainty I have when gambling. Managing losses is the best strategy for maintaining a healthy budget.

I think context matters a lot. If he's just playing once a month with $10 or so, the chance it develops into addiction is definitely lower than someone who is stuck with the casino 24/7. At the end of the day, nothing's wrong with being prepared for losing money or predicting your winnings. I also don't believe that one or two actions which is beneficial for ourselves mean we won't win big. That just feels like addictive thoughts instead of rational thinking.

You made some statements that are not correct because if you say a lot of people don't think about the amount they are fine losing, you are then saying that a lot of gamblers are addicted to gambling. Every gambler already know that the most important rule of gambling is to play with what you can afford to lose. If many people ignore this rule, we would have been hearing horrible news daily about people being frustrated by gambling even in this forum. I believe a lot of gamblers like we have in this forum, are gambling the right way.

Regardless the fact that gambling is supposed to be treated as fun but I'm sure that no one will ever say that the losing side is more important, there's no one who would want to choose lose over profit unless the person doesn't know the value of money but in as much as I will like to say that everyone knows the value of money so the answer is the profit side is more important than the expected loss  Moreover there's no excitement that comes from losing instead we keep panicking or feel disappointed at the game. So profit is what makes gambling look more interesting and fun.

I think loss management should be given the most priority than anything else. There is nothing much one can do to make sure that they win consistently since gambling is more about luck. It is wise for a gambler to ensure that he doesn't lose so badly that he has to go broke.

Many here would definitely say setting loss targets or limits is the best, but in reality they do the opposite, which is to focus more on making profits while incurring series of losses just to chase profits that are not guaranteed.

Expecting losses doesn't make you persimmistic it just means that you are a smart and realistic gambler. Losses can come at any time and if you only anticipate profits or gains you might be in for a disappointment. Alot of people only think about the possibility of winning without actually thinking about what happens next when they lose. Profits makes gamblng more interesting but this is something that is not always guaranteed

As you you gamble it is important to also consider how much you might lose because gamble is just another two edge sword. If you are not so luckyz just know that you will lose your money. Gambling is not always about winning, sometimes you also lose. So expecting profits from gamble will just make you greedy and nothing. Greediness is the beginning of losses. The more greedy you become, the more losses you will get. All gamblers have their own lucky but the moment you are so greedy because you normally win a bet, thats the moment you losing.

I don't understand why some people only think about winning when they clearly know that gambling is not only about winnings, but there is a higher chance for a person to lose than win if they gamble for quite some time and don't stop because we know we can't stay ahead of the house for very long. If we get lucky and win something at the initial stage, we should use our brains and withdraw the money so that we don't get influenced by our brains again and then lose whatever we had earned along with our initial bankroll.

When we gamble, whether it's our first time or we have done it before, we should know that we are either going to win or lose, we can't only expect to win because that doesn't happen, and if we have our expectations correct, we wouldn't be mad or angry when we lose because we already knew this could happen, so we will take it lightly instead of getting mixed emotions and then making reckless bets and losing more money.

If any gambler losses a game and goes emotional, it is their problem and not mine because already as a gambler you should be prepared for whatever the result of your game would be irrespective of the odds and amount you have put up in the bet. This is why it is said that gamblers should gamble with what they can be able to lose if the game does not end in their favour. Moreover, gambling is done for fun and not for profit so gamble and have fun with the little funds you can easily let go of.

You're right when you said that expecting losses doesn't make one persimmistic but is just a way to prove to people that you're a real gambler because a real gambler don't only expect a particular outcome (wining) rather they expect both wining and losses because he knows that losing is inevitable in gamble. You know when you're expecting the both outcome at a time you hardly feel disappointed rather you can only get fed up when you are in a losing streak without complain, but when you're expecting a particular outcome all the time you can easily feel disappointed.

As humans we'll always go for the expected profit's and not the losses because we tend to be positive. Ask anybody gambling and they'll tell you if you aren't optimistic that you won't win. You'll have to think of yourself winning already before that victory comes. Sometimes you doubt yourself but still get the victory but majority of the times, without being optimistic, you won't win.

It's only the mindful gamblers that consider the chances of losing and that's why they put attention on what they're staking. Having a plan to avoid not over staking is important to manage your gambling activities and only the responsible gambles have this attributes. What's important is to have a balance between both thoughts. While you focus on your potential win, don't forget about the potential losses too to keep you in a balance state.

There should be optimism to keep the morale high though reasonableness should be the main factor. Imagining that you will win is not bad, so long as you keep in mind that there is always two sides of the coin when it comes to opportunities. Individuals with a prudent mind understand when to proceed and when to retire since too much emotion only causes a person to be miserable. Being moderately between the desire and rationality will not allow the individual to fall easily entangled in baseless aspirations. The victory is not only a case of chance but a decision made without being heated but with the full realisation of the consequences.

When I bet in a casino, I consider that money lost, and whatever comes from it is just profit and luck. I don’t have the habit of putting money in and counting on it for something else. When I make a deposit, I already know it’s at risk. Obviously, no one likes to lose, but I don’t create expectations or hope to get rich or anything like that. It’s just gambling money, if it brings profit, great, if not, I’m fine with it.

Maybe those who only think about winning and don't consider losing as something that's common in gambling are those who think they have some kind of good luck charm that makes them only win and not lose. There are people who make themselves believe in such; instead of treating gambling like others do, they see themselves as people with special skills.

We all expect profit in gambling but we never expect how much loss we will get. Chasing the win is the thing that many people still do because they think that they are close to the win. They really need to change their mind because gambling will never let you win easily.

If you don't manage your money, you will only spend more and more money because you think that doing that will give you a chance to win. But that will not always happen as you expect because it is gambling which can make us win or lose.

Instead of having difficulty winning, it is better that we just gamble for fun. We know that we can win someday but we don't push ourselves to keep playing. We realize that the risk will be bigger if we keep playing so we will limit our gambling activity.

In everything business we do , gambling is business too ,pool is business, trading is also business,yes in every business someone invest his or her money into all we are expecting is to make profit not lost ,so the mined set we go to a gambling shop is to make profit not lost,so we are looking forward not backwards,all we need is to make it ,you can not relax and fold your hands that since you have lost for the first one that you can't make it again, nobody wishes himself bad but good,so we expect gain all the time

When some gamblers become too confident in gambling, they no longer accept gambling as luck. They think that if they bet on gambling, they will win and this kind of confidence becomes a big problem for them. Winning and losing in gambling is completely uncertain, but if someone tries to gamble with certainty without considering it uncertain, then he will lose. When someone is overconfident, they tend to deny reality which becomes a big reason for their loss.

I look more on the potential winning maybe that is what you mean by profit. The reason is if you are betting with the amount that you can afford to lose then losing it won't matter much, you will focus more on how much you expect to win. Most gamblers are angry when they lose but it is not because of how much that they lost but how much potential they would have been richer with. Therefore, if you are betting minimally you won't be that anxious if you lose or how much you are about to lose but how much you can profit. That's how I see winning and losing but if you are a high roller then you may also consider how much you will lose per bet.

It should be balanced. Your expected gain should be straight with your expected loss. It will be so good to win big by losing a few. I believe there is none who is willing to expect loss more and win less. Especially when it comes to the gambling caused by your target is to winning more money, not to lose it.

I think both have to be balanced in this case, in general, why do people want to gamble? Of course there is something they want to achieve or get, namely profit. In this case, they have to play carefully and responsibly in seeing the opportunities in each round they play and if we are disciplined or control ourselves well, we can minimize losses and achieve profits. And I prefer to play gambling games with skills in reading opponents and odds like poker or blackjack.

The expected profit is unknown. The expected loss is visible. The house edge is our enemy, and at the back of our mind, we know that we are going to lose. But we are trying to fight that by trying some strategies that most of the time don't work, but we still believe in it and expect to win in the long run.

I think all we can do is be prepared mentally. I suggest not forcing it if we expect that we are going to lose more in our next run. Just take the rest and clear the mind. Maybe that will help us decide better next time we come back. And I know, we will be back. There's very little percentage that a gambler will totally stop.

Its useful to understand the dynamic of a bet.
How many consecutives you can lose? What It should be your target?

My rules while betting are easy:
- never lose (tryng to minimize the risk)
- accept even small amount in a trade (if this was something safe)
- get data about previous bets on outcome - even a lose if planned Is absolutely fine

Well, even I who play with little money when we have a poker tournament with my friends, I get angry if I lose, but not so much because I lose those few euros, those few cents, it's the competitive nature of the game that makes you want to win.

Angry is a strong word, maybe it’s better to just learn how to control your emotions, that’s really important, especially in poker. Bluffing happens all the time, so if you let your emotions show, your opponents can easily take advantage of you. I’m not really a regular poker player, but from what I’ve seen in tournaments and even in movies, keeping your emotions in check is a must.

For me, these two are but important; but what is more important is to stay within the realistic boundaries of gambling.  If we fail to stay in the boundaries of reality, we may loseo ourselves and get trapped in the illusion of looping chasing losses and chasing wins.  One cannot expect a profit since winning in gambling depends on the RNG, while expected losses may make us comfortable losing money, which is not ok.

 It is always better to be in the neutral zone, where we can expect a realistic win while maintaining a reasonable amount to lose.

The only way the lost figures can be recovered is when you keep on playing. But how can a gambler keep on playing when he's low on money or even run out of money. The thing is that evey gamblers have a pay day but that doesn't mean you shouldn't gamble responsibly in by staking what you can afford to lose. When you are low on funds the important thing to do is quit and continue next time when you have money. Based on the kind of mindset most gamblers have, they are beginning to depend on their bets. Meanwhile the chances of winning is very slim.

That overconfidence is one big problem some gamblers need to solve if they really want to start seeing gambling the way it's supposed to be seen and their disappointment level reduced. Without reducing the confidence level some have in their skill, the amount of loss they will be witnessing will keep on increasing.

The atmosphere of the game can sometimes make players lose control of their emotions - I think that's normal. Even though I don't gamble directly like at table games, I understand the emotional state of a game when a player's hopes of winning are dashed. Anger can be triggered by this - this can become a weakness for the player, who then loses even more. Emotions can destroy gamblers - as a result gamblers tend to be irrational in making decisions and that is the negative side of poor emotional control.

Both. You don’t get to win decent amount of profits if you’re also at loss. So you have to be mindful of your bets, whether this will make you profit a lot or will make you only suffer losses. Set balance on your bets, without minimizing your future profits while you continue to maximize prevention of loss.

Gambling is also a game of strategy and critical thinking. If you are not capable to make wise decisions, you will never be profitable enough, but will only end up losing and regretting.

The manner in which an individual reason when making risky choices indicates the degree of maturity of the person to handle his or her desires. Most people perceive the glamorous face of profit and do not remember that in all endeavours, there are chances of losing. An enterprise attitude to decision-making will ensure that one is not overwhelmed by emotions. All opportunities are not supposed to be explored, particularly where the result is uncertain. It would be better at times to wait before jumping into what will be great in the short run.

The most important thing should be to know what to do and when to go further, as the most serious mistakes are usually made when a person thinks that he is the most able to do something. The logic is set aside in favour of the urge to win and all strategies are lost. The correct choice will therefore not only be about the end but also be the ability to remain consistent in thought and remain level headed when under stress. It is fun to win but are willing to stay composed when losing is worth more since it shows that one is mature in their deeds.

We can choose both of them to be more important, the expected gain that we think of is just an illusion at the beginning until it happens.

But with the expected loss, it might have the same description of being expected but we'd definitely going to lose. So, the acceptance is ready and that makes it easier for a gambler to move on.

If we have met the expected gain, that's good as a gambler because you've reached the goal but it's pretty unlikely that every gambler's expected gain is quite that low so, it's getting harder for each of us to have that kind of expectation gain that's acceptable.

a really good poker player can read other players and can identify their tells it can be a flinch or bouncing of your leg so make sure to remove all your habits when playing because those indicate your emotions which the opponent can use against you

I think that we mustn`t even use such words like "expected gain". We have to work on it, try ourselves to increase profit, but we mustn`t think like "we have to win". Even in sport betting we can`t get 100% win rate.
But we easily can lose all our money. That`s why we must think about loss, not because we must lose but because we must remember that gambling is about risk and don`t risk critical sums.

Opponents or other players in the side table can literally tell if you're just playing to bluff. Because if you're not going to do anything about it and you're so reckless, that means that they have monitored you. And so with that, as you expect things with yourself, you should think of the possible loss if you're not careful with it. Basically, expecting a loss is what's always on my mind as this protects the emotion that I have and making me feel not so bad if ever I have started to lose whether it's with the sports bet that I do, plinkos or even poker.

Confidence about losing is certain, winning isn't. Except in a skilled game where the player has won an opponent a couple of times, holding back to confidence or being sure for winning is a wrong step to gambling. And the risks of losses are too high for the gambler, who thinks because after two consecutive wins has to be sure of the next win, and goes ahead to wager big amounts, the next result isn't going to be a win, and when that happen the gamer would regret the action and develop anxiety.

For skill-based games like poker, it's very much understandable if you have won against someone over and over again that your confidence level is high, but the person should also understand that while they are too confident they will win, the opponent might have been undergoing some kind of training to upgrade their skill in the background, so the game might not end as always but become competitive, and there is always a chance for a change in the result in the end.

In recent weeks, I've been losing constantly, and I've come to expect nothing but losses from gambling. My thinking has become decidedly negative, and I've started to think I no longer understand gambling.
More precisely, I've lost my sense of luck. It used to be easy, but now it's just the same. So, I'm thinking of taking a long break from gambling, I don't know for how long. Because the fun is waning, and the expenses are increasing.

I think that there is no difference about trying to increase the profit in gambling and expecting a gain.

They're both the same IMHO and that's fine if someone thinks of expecting a gain through gambling. But I agree with you about that we shouldn't think about "we have to win".

Because we know that when we gamble, it should be expected that we're going to lose. To each their own on that part and mindset.

While I was reading your post, the first advice I wanted to give you was to take a break, but when I read to the end I saw that you had already reached this conclusion yourself. When I play, I don’t expect to make a profit, I just play, but I won’t hide the fact that I would like to win more often than it happens now. I decided for myself that I would take a break if I had a long losing streak, but it happens to me that I don’t have large streaks of both winning and losing, everything alternates very often and I can’t figure out how to change it, maybe this is normal or maybe it’s my level in betting.

The average person gets into gambling because of profit, don't discount that because gamblers will have expectations about the winnings they might be able to get from gambling.

Your argument is the same as responsible gambling, you use money that is ready to be lost in gambling by having limits every time you gamble both money and time, in detail you navigate the losses that you can possibly get and you don't want to be stressed by it and have more capital to gamble another time (meaning you don't spend it all), we discuss it in other language to give it meaning.

My old self would've picked the expected win, but now i'm all about the loss and stopping the bleeding of my bankroll. I'd rather have my bankroll survive for the longest time than fixate on the winnings that'll eventually come at some point.

I still try to look at the potential gain, though, just not all the time, as it makes me overlook the worst situation that could be right around the corner if i'm too locked on the idea of wanting to win.

Good attitude.

I don't know anyone planning how much they are going to win, because only thing you can make plans for is what you already have.

By being aware how much you spend, you'll not only last longer not only in gambling, but in life as well. Because financial crisis that came from overspending can lead to vicious circle, where you end up paying premium for everything, including the debts you had to take to cover your basic needs.

It also depends on the level of skill the opponent posseses, or the height of energy left of the winner, could determine how low his thinking would be in the game, which may end up causing losses. Once concentration is not full, a skilled gamer is also expected to lose, despite playing with someone they've been winning for sometimes.

Not having sufficient money does not mean that you can not gamble more. If you don't have money, you can borrow from friends or from bank and they will give you if you have a good credit score. Gamblers should know what will help them and what will not which is why before you gamble you need to check how much you have and the risk to reward ratio of the bet.

They don't think about how much they're comfortable to lose because they are all in for everything it can produce, as long as it pays them at the end.. Just imagine spending almost a million in a year, only to be given a win of maybe $3000 in one occasion and that got you celebrating? Are you gaining or losing more?

I'm not always expecting any profit, but instead I always have a close watch at my loses.. I can't control how much I can win from the casinos, but I can control how much I lose... Let's not forget about the most important things at the end.

Gambling is like a test of luck. While gambling, no one can say that he will be able to gamble now. Gambling depends entirely on luck. The better the luck, the more he will be able to win in gambling. There comes a time when greed arises due to excessive winning and due to this greed, all the money falls into loss. Basically, everything happens because of greed. So if we can control our greed, it is good for us.

For me "increasing profit" is trying to improve ourselves: make better analyze, correct risk management, analyze more events. And "expecting a gain" sounds like sitting and waiting a profit doing nothing for it.
Of course all of us want to win, but the attitude to the process differs.

Well, that makes sense and good analogy of what these two terms and the meanings that's in it.

I guess that you're right but gamblers that are expecting to gain, doesn't just wait and sit, they also gamble and does what they have to do because they're trying to increase their profits in anyway that they can.

Either way, these meanings are there and I agree with what you've said because it sounds like those who are expecting does nothing but we don't know what they do behind it.

That is actually a dangerous way to think about gambling. Borrowing money to gamble is never a good idea and can never be a good idea, because gambling outcomes are unpredictable you can lose just as easily as you can win. When you use borrowed money, the pressure becomes more higher, and losing can leave you in serious debt or strain your relationships. It’s always safer to gamble only with what you can afford to lose.

Losses and profits are made in gambling but in all scenario, just hope for the very best in gambling because it's filled up with volatility. Common, there are many other things we should be doing other than sitting down and gamble. Let's make every second we have on mother Green earth counts. Gambling is not meant for newbies but only the strong hands, talking about punters that can control the game and let winning streak.

You are correct, most people aim at how much they can win, not what they are ready to lose. Though in reality, managing losses is much more important. Winning is not assured, but losing is sure part of a game, so managing that aspect keeps you in it longer.
Expected gain sounds exciting, yet expected loss is what determines survival. When you can limit your losses and protect your bankroll, you will definitely have another shot at winning. In brief, smart gamblers aim on staying in the gae at first, then pursue gain secondly.

Your risk should be your first consideration before any gambling, this is not just in gambling also in different aspects of life business trading etc. If your rewards are more important that you will care less about your risks which might lead to loss of money able to empty your bank account. Gambling wins cìmes by chances and luck so it should be the one of the activity with the most less risk, because your  winning has a slim probability since the casinos has an edge over every gambler. As a gamblers Your risk should be a really focused on because the probability of you betting next time is dependant on your available balance .

Exactly, which is why I said even if the person has been playing with the opponent for a long time, getting their guard down because they feel it's just a little rematch on an already known outcome, they might get disappointed with a little distraction or an upgrade in the opponent mastering their playing pattern and working on themselves.

I consider both because I do analyze the reward to risk ratio when betting. There’s no way for me to consider only one side for betting because it will not be entertaining.

Betting less just to avoid risk while your expected win is just a penny even by just playing for a long time same when you are considering the other but you didn’t consider the expected loss.

It should be balance and within your limits.

Gambling is for everyone, old, young, newbies, strong hands and experienced ones.

It's for all who likes to do it with their own money. But we don't advice people to take a loan for them to gamble because you'd see a thread or stories like that pop in the forum being told on how they have badly ended up in losses and credit.

I'd agree that we should spend our time in important things but if some people sees gambling as an important part of their routine, you have to respect that if that's what they think of it.

You are right indeed the outcome of gambling mostly cannot be predicted. Today one may be profitable using a particular strategy, he may apply that same strategy tommorrow but may not be profittable. That is why taking loan to gamble isn't really a good idea. Apart from even taking loans, it isn't even advisable for folks to use all the money at hand to gamble, rather it's best that they gamble with that extra money  or better still like you said that money that one can afford to comfortably lose.

Settings a bankroll is the key ultimate to become a successful gambler without bankroll, all you will be experiencing will be losses because you will not be able to give an account of the actual amount you will be spending monthly.
Once your bankroll is exhausted either for the week or month, just quit .
As a gambler, you are expected to experience loss, but when the losses supercede your actual bankroll, then you have to check yourself and retrace your step, winning comes at when it will come, you don't fight for it, if not you incure more losses.

It's crucial to manage our bankroll on how much we're going to use for gambling that we can live without. That being said, the amount you'll use to play is also the money you expected to lose, means you're ready for it. Thus, it's better to have less expectation in gambling since winning is not guaranteed. Because thinking of how much you can win can only disappoint you if it didn't happened.

Expected loss implies responsibility, while expected wins implies there is illusion and thrill for what it could happen.
In my case, I must admit that I lead towards thinking about expected wins instead of losses, it is something which comes naturally to me as greed builds up until I reach a point in which I don't longer care about the chances of losing money, but rather chase the possibility of getting more money than I initially deposited. So far as ended in disappointed.
If I could trade my side which mostly see potential winning for a side which focuses more on the chance of losing then I would be happier when my experience on casino.

At least I am responsible enough to know when to stop, when I am defeated and not to chase losses endlessly.

I think honestly that we should expect more loses than win, but we can't use that as a reason not to try luck.gamblers knows that loses are weigh more higher than wins but they keep on pushing, trying if they can make out something meaningful from it even though they know the risk is high. So invariably I may say wining is more important than lose because one big win covers a lot of loses we encountered. Because in most cases the happiness and joy derived in a single win is much more fun than the loses we had on several occasions. So I prefer the win as it is the main motivation that keep every gambler active even though they know that loses are More.

A rematch with an opponent who was previously defeated at ease always seem more difficult to win again, as a result of pattern mastery. But the fun goes on with it, both players would wish to go further again and again. However, skilled based gaming leaves behind the assurance of making friends in this fashion.

Yes to be good in long term betting, it is more important to control your expected loss than to focus on expected gain, because gap shows smart thinking of sensible investor toward mindset of person who gambles much. Key is to stay in game it is by saving your own money that you will be able to enjoy longer bankroll, and this will keep your emotions in check and you will be able to wait until you hit wins that will come in time. Whereas Expected Profit is needed to tell you on what to bet, Expected Loss tells you on how much to bet, and it is therefore most important part of staying in game.

I think that many beginners who have just started gambling expect more wins than losses. However, the more experienced a gambler becomes, the more they realize that the opposite is true and that in the long run, there will always be more losses than wins. However, you're right to point out that it still makes sense to try your luck, because sometimes a single win is enough to change your life.

Like everyone else, we focus on the optimistic side of winning, not the pessimistic side of losing.
I would say that it is normal to think like this, thinking badly sometimes almost seems to attract bad luck in some ways, I don't know if you think like me

As a gambler, I fully agree with you that risk management is essential. However, I'm convinced that even with strict control, daily gambling poses enormous risks for the weak-willed. Casinos persistently offer bonuses in an attempt to lure players back, and psychological addictions develop quickly. My experience suggests that constant exposure to gambling can subtly undermine self-control, even in the strongest players.
Therefore, it's not just the bet size that's crucial, but also strictly limiting the frequency of play to maintain a clear mind.

Oh, i didn't think about that. So you're saying that to become a professional player, say a poker player, you have to make a list of your income and expenses to understand where you are at?
I don't know, i am not very convinced by it, why should it help me play better?

Poker is not like any other ordinary gambling game. And not all platforms provide poker games. The advantage is that it is a logical game which is currently very popular in this forum as tournaments. But while playing other casino games you will gradually get very excited and if you are serious about gambling you will not understand when your bankroll is over and whether you should deposit there again which is why you will deposit frequently and continue gambling to win big. So of course a limited bankroll is very important for playing casino games. And knowing your limits is also very important

Winning is not guaranteed as a gambler and that is why we need to make moves that will help us make money from betting. Those that think that when they don't make profit is the right time for them to chase loses, that alone can lead to problems that can cause mental challenges.

I am not ready to find myself in any situation that will affect my mental health, so when I lose bet I take a leave and cool my head trying to recover from my loses no matter how small it could.

Gambling is a two sided game, it's either you win or you lose that's how the game is, you don't need to be worked up  each time you lose because that's one of those things that spice up the whole gambling experience. Everybody desires winning always but it can't just work out that way because the both sides need to be balanced. However, each times we lose in gambling it enables us to be more conscious and be  aware of the risk involved in it therefore make us to be more sensitive in managing our bankroll properly.

No one plans death, atleast hoping for it but everyone takes their time to plan how beautiful they want their future  and sake also applies to gambling in this case because as a gambler, we already know that is worthier we win or we lose but no one wants to expect the losses but rather we all are focused on winnings and for some, they already plan what to do with their winnings when they come so I will tell you that, it is more important to make plan out winning rather than expecting a loss and no man in his right senses gambles with expectations of making loss but rather hope of having a win.

Yes, i know, it's a game where reasoning, patience, and memory count?much more than in games like Briscola or Scopa.
I really like it when played in company obviously, online i find it very boring, i don't see the emotions and i don't see the faces of the people

In fact, all gamblers know and are aware that they can lose in gambling, but often when they do, they find it difficult to accept the reality and end up taking various uncontrolled actions driven by emotions.

This means that gamblers don't truly acknowledge that gambling isn't just about winning, but that losing is also part of the game. I also believe that one reason why gamblers get angry and emotional when they lose, even though they knew from the start that losing was part of the game, is because they are too focused on winning, such as having high hopes. When their hopes aren't met, they become emotional and continue playing.

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

Exactly. Because wining is an integral part of the fun, innit? We have to expect losses and keep track of them during our gambling session in order to not go over what can afford to lose, but, of course, without expecting a win, we wouldn't play at all. I personally don't expect losing all my balance because it is often 10 times bigger than what I can easily afford to lose. Normally I allocate a small part and then stop after losing it.

There is always hope for winning. If a gambler says they don't expect to win and they just gamble because they want to have fun, then I will say they are not only lying to those they voice that out to, but they are also lying to themselves. If it's just for fun and the gambler doesn't expect to win, then they can go with playing on a demo account or whatever gaming experience that won't require the person to spend money.

Absolutely right, and it's a great way for every gambler to determine their true motivations for gambling. But no one wants to play on a demo account; everyone says it's boring. Incidentally, casinos are great at blurring the line between a demo account and a regular real-money game. Casinos host competitions where gamblers compete in multipliers. This is an ingenious way for casinos to lure players away from demo accounts and into playing for real money.

I don't think anyone would gamble expecting to lose, that's not the goal of gamblers.
I think it's clear that many people gamble hoping for a profit, and those who become addicted do so because they're chasing uncertain returns. However, instead of pursuing profits, many gamblers actually end up making their situation worse. Expecting a profit in gambling isn't necessary, as I believe profits will be achieved if we're lucky enough. Furthermore, chasing profits will only lead to bad outcomes. We're lucky if we win, but we only experience the bitterness of losing.

yah, those who gamble for fun, also have a hope to win even just a small, and more for those who addicted to gambling, they hope to win more than just the richest gamble, because the are not just losing in gambling but also losing in control for him self. I completely agree that nothing is 100% fun about "burning money away" when gambling. If they don't expect to win, they can use their money to give a gifts on TikTok and other Live Stream social media platforms. That's what fun is all about, no hope for a return completely.

Everyone has the hope of winning, everyone who gambles is gambling to win, but the key here is to control yourself.
If you can gamble in any way that you can, within your financial limits, then it will not be harmful, because the main damage begins only with uncontrolled activity.
Allocate a certain amount of money that you will lose, and from that money you can pray to win or gamble aggressively in any way, that is not matter.
However, you must stop gambling immediately when that money runs out, this is self-control and this is the most correct way to gamble, stopping is the real victory.

Expected gain or loss depends on long-term math, every bet carries a built-in house edge, so the “expected” result is usually a slow loss over time. Short-term variance can still bring wins, but consistency comes from managing stake size and avoiding emotional bets.

Do you track your sessions to see if variance matches your bankroll plan?

Okay, what you said makes sense. I agree with your opinion that gambling isn't actually done solely for entertainment, but rather to make money. As you said, if they're gambling purely for entertainment, then a demo account could be an option.

Honestly, I'm not being hypocritical; I sometimes gamble for money, but the difference is that I gamble with an amount I can afford to lose.

This means that when I win, I'm very happy, but if I lose, it doesn't matter. In my opinion, the mistake is placing hope in winning but not being prepared to accept defeat.

I'm glad you are able to get my point. It's not like we should not gamble with money if we want fun, but adding money means we have hope to win in return. Where it gets all out of line is gambling with an amount which the gambler can't afford to lose; then they are gambling for profit majorly, which could be the only reason why they allow their greed to determine the weight of their bet.

And those who gamble only for profit often face more losses. If an investor cannot stop expecting success from gambling, then it is very dangerous for him, because due to this expectation he will lose his control, where maintaining one's self-control is more important than winning or losing in gambling, but if one does not maintain it, then it will definitely bring moral situation for him.

It is very natural for a gambler to expect to win every time he gambles. Gamblers never expect to lose. Every time they face a loss, they place new bets in the hope of winning. Losing control over gambling by expecting to win is a sign of an addicted gambler. An addicted gambler faces losses again and again.

Therefore, one should control oneself until the end without expecting to win or lose in gambling.

Does gambling for fun still in existence? I have been seeing people writing about gambling for the fun but indirectly they need the money to stay good and continue gambling. When they are not really making profits like they supposed to make, they can start complaining about how gambling has been so unfortunate for them. Although you can switch from being a fun gambler to being a serious and money freak gambler.

People don't come to casinos or sports betting platforms to lose money. The paradox is that, in most cases, that's exactly what happens. However, people don't say to themselves, "Let me go in and place another bet and lose my monthly income!" No, no one thinks or does that. Most people hope to win. And winning is what brings them pleasure. Losing makes people angry or irritated. But when it comes to importance, losses are always more important. Because they pose much more serious problems.

As I mentioned above, I think gambling with money is fine because the adrenaline rush is greater when we risk something valuable, and the joy is even greater when we overcome everything and win.

However, it's important to note that we must also consider other aspects of gambling, such as losses, as they are an inseparable part of this activity.

This means that a gambler should be neutral in their attitude to both wins and losses. Expecting to win also means being prepared for defeat. However, I also acknowledge that there are still many losers in this activity.

None of us wants to admit that we came to the casino solely to make money. Don't deceive yourself. This creates a false reality that becomes increasingly addictive. If someone says they're only interested in the process itself for the pleasure of it, they're being disingenuous and lying. I was one of those players myself. It was normal for me to exist in this illusory world for a while. I realized in time that this was a grave mistake. I only wanted the money.

Gamblers do not like to accept losing easily although most of the time they have to endure what they do not want. Going to the casino is a kind of pressure for gamblers to win. To show off their wins to the gamblers around them because most of them like to celebrate their wins but when they lose they get excited and sometimes they try to hide it. I think winning is more important although their guesses may be wrong most of the time and luck may put them in adverse situations. Considering the unexpected you have to explore entertainment in the casino/betting platform and increase more entertainment by earning.

Both are necessary, in fact, profit is our primary goal, but unfortunately, the game is more about losses. That's why we need to expect losses all the time, because profit isn't guaranteed. However, most times we lose because of confidence in getting the profit, but when you always expect loss all the time without focusing on profit, you might be surprised when luck would shines on you whenever you place a bet.

Expected loss is the top priority since you shouldn’t bet what you can’t afford to lose while looking on the expected profit might make you greedy on your bet that leads to high risk bet for the sake of winning big.

Expected profit is still not your money so it’s useless to think about it like you own it already before you win while the money you are putting on the line is still yours and will give a significant impact once lose if ever you bet outside your comfort zone just for the profit.

Expected gain is there but rarely it comes up as realized gain. Most of the time it ends up being a loss.

There are people who only look for profit but the realization that profits come on the casino side pf things comes a bit late to these people. I am not sure how much setting an expected gain is going to work here. End of the day if you are in green consider you're lucky but dont lose that profit the next morning and then only its a real profit.

As a gambler we should not expect to win every bet we play or to win when we gamble we should also expect loss, there are two things in gambling it's either you win or you loss, but most gamblers now only focus on their potential win with great hope that they have won.
I never expect a win when the game is still on process because winning is not guaranteed most bet that i have won i never believe to win it but those games i expected to win will along the way cut off so gambling is not what we should hope on.

Smile, anybody that says is expecting more of losing over winning is actually not being sincere because everybody love good things and feel more exited when having multiple winning streaks, however, in as much as winning in gambling is not guaranteed but when it eventually comes we accept it all hearted.

It is certain that who ever  going into gambling should be
expecting two things either losing or winning but one thing we must ensure is never to be worked up when having series of losing streak because that can only be confirmed or take hold when  seeing it as a source of income which is not acceptable in gambling, always go with the intention of having fun and If you're lucky enough to cash out then be grateful for that day.

Exactly the thing most people only picture the wins but rarely think about the losses they can actually handle when you start seeing gambling or betting as a long game you realize it’s not really about how much you make it’s about how long you can stay in the game without going broke anyone can hit a big win once in a while but the people who last are the ones who know how to protect their bankroll.

If you keep the mindset that every bet has two sides you stop feeling too emotional about the outcome cause you already accepted the risk before placing it focusing on losses doesn’t make you negative it actually makes you smarter cause when you calculate your potential loss first you automatically bet smaller and with more control that’s the difference between a casual gambler and someone with discipline. Profits will always come with time but only if you’re still around to play when they show up most gamblers never get to that point cause they burn out their bankroll chasing fast results so I’d say expected loss matters more since it keeps you grounded and patient profits are the reward of good management but survival is the key that unlocks them both if you can master that mindset you can play for years and still stay calm even when luck isn’t on your side.

Nobody wants to admit it, but I do admit I go in there and hope to make a profit out of it, but I still don't disregard the entertainment, and if it's for entertainment alone, I will not choose gambling where I will spend money. I don't see anything hard there for someone to admit that they gamble with the hope of making money. Where I see something to stand against is if they consider it to be a primary means of income, which usually doesn't end well for the gambler.

I also don't hide the fact that pleasure isn't as important to me as winning big. That way, at least I'll be honest with myself. Why be disingenuous or even lie? It won't lead to anything good. I once went down that path and only made things worse for myself. It created many more problems and negative consequences, which took me years to sort out. Therefore, it's better to start on the right path right away. If something happens, it will be much easier to deal with.

There is no such thing as certainty in gambling, every outcome comes unexpectedly, and that is why you cannot get so excited just to win, because you may never get the win or result you are hoping for.
All in all, luck plays a key role here, and in this game of luck, a skilled gambler is always aware, because he knows that winning is not guaranteed, and that is why it is more important to be in control of yourself than winning or losing in gambling.
Because those who bet only in the hope of winning are more likely to lose control of themselves, because they expect to win, and for this reason they cannot accept defeat, and thus they continue to face losses.

A lot of gambler make the mistake of focusing more on winning that they often lose track of other important things that matters more. Gambling ordinary was created for fun, and regardless of how much is at stake, fun should be prior to every other thing. The same way that winning is important, that’s exactly how not losing is also important, by this I mean that gambling shouldn’t just be about winning, in fact you benefit more when you’re not losing too much, and this can only happen when people approach gambling with discipline and self control, that way, they’ll be able to make better decisions.

Having a bankroll management is a good way to manage risk for gamble, but risk management doesn't make you a successful bettor, it only makes you gamble responsible because you don't spend too much on gambling. There are gamblers that manage their bankroll at the start but after losing much money they stil make further deposit so that they can be able to chase their losses. People implement bankroll management but at the long run they no longer follow the same ways.

In fact, when you think about longterm betting, your potential losses will be more important than your potential gains.

However, while we all aim to win and make money by gambling, we should not forget that there is a house edge on betting lines. So if you don't find value bets regularly, the EV will generally be negative.

And if you try to avoid potential losses, there is still a chance that your bankroll will run out, a classic gambler's ruin story. Actually, loss management means keeping playing. And if your bankroll runs out due to some bad timing, you will definitely miss out on big wins.

So, yes, dude, winning is certainly fun, but controlling your losses is the key to surviving in the world of gambling. So pay attention to how much you are willing to lose, only then will you understand the true value of your wins.

And that is why they need to change their motives first, many do not understand that gambling is basically a means of entertainment, not a guarantee of profit, but they constantly gamble just to make a profit.
And this attitude is actually bad, and it most of the time leads the gambler to big losses.
Everyone hopes to win, to be honest it is never possible that someone is gambling for a complete loss, rather everyone has the expectation of winning in their mind, but the most important thing is if they can control themselves, and keep themselves within limits then it is not bad.
But if they keep gambling excessively because of the expectation of winning, then it is the worst, because of excessive gambling they keep losing constantly, and then comes the stress, frustration, and wrong decision after wrong decision.

Well gambling overall is meant to be a fun hobby that gives you excitement and energy rush, it is supposed to be that but we all know that not everyone is betting for fun right. Expecting a win or a loss is basically based on whether you’re an optimistic person or not.

I think that we all should be betting while dreaming big but also recalling the loss, losing is a 50% option while gambling and if you neglect this point you will ignore your balance going down, the loss should always be kept in mind.

I personally think of the big win possibility first before betting or playing but the thought of losing is no far than one second in my head it is always present and it makes me reconsider my actions and gives me a better plan.

I came with the hope of winning, not losing. If I had come with doubts about my ability to win, I probably would never have intended to go to the casino and place bets, or open an online casino account on my phone. However, what you say is also true. Accepting defeat is not easy, especially when it involves emotions and personal money. That is why it is very important before starting gambling and placing bets that we assess ourselves first, especially financially, regarding how much we are prepared to lose in gambling or betting because, in essence, this is not about winning and losing but about how well we can control ourselves at that moment in order to take a step closer to maturity in facing the risks that accompany this game. The game is not about the cards we hold or the dice we roll, but about controlling our emotions.

No one can accept defeat easily, and does everyone want to lose? Everyone basically wants to win, everyone comes to gambling with the expectation of winning, and their expectation eventually becomes the goal, or the only goal through which they want to achieve success. And this is the root of the problem, gambling is never just about winning or losing, but rather a test of one's mental state, self-control, and understanding limits. We must control our emotions, which are something that will lead to huge losses if they exceed their limits, if someone cannot control their emotions, then even winning ultimately leads to losses, because their greed after winning and their emotions after losing will not allow them to get out of gambling at the right time.

It's good that you're also thinking about losses, because the game can't exist without them, although many players forget this and want to believe only in victories. This is too naive and unreasonable to assume, because we will definitely have to lose, even if not immediately, then a little later. Losing streaks happen to almost all players, and it's important to understand how well we can cope with them and continue winning based on a well-thought-out strategy. I see many players break down when they lose, even though they previously told everyone how big they won, not considering that it could have been a statistical error rather than true professional skill. It's a shame they realize this too late.

Therefore, every player will get what they deserve by playing for a very long time. I'm not saying that everyone will necessarily lose, because there are professional players who can beat other players, for example in poker; we almost all know them. They have an expected profit, but it's not guaranteed that they will continue to do so forever, because the number of professionals is growing. However, many players don't understand why they won, or they play because they enjoy it, while having no idea exactly how they win. If we don't know why we're stronger than the other 90%, then we're likely among that percentage of losers.

I always expect loss because this helps me cope. As they say hope for the best prepare for the worst.

It's basic human psychology.
When you expect loss and it happens, you won't be surprised as you've already parted with the money.
When you expect a loss and the opposite happens, you will be even more surprised by the win. You want to be surprised by nice thing, right?:D

One more thing. OP claims the wins will eventually come. It's not that certain! I've seen people with 10x losing streaks and I'm sure you did too so you can start playing with this attitude and then get a loss after a loss and lose money even though you were playing low stakes.

That's true, I see it that way too, because when we play, that's what affects us most Many times when I've played, I try to stop myself from letting my emotions get the better of me , but it's really difficult. In the end, I end up giving in a little and spending more, and that makes me angry I don't know how to control that sometimes, but it must be partly due to a lack of self-control It's just that when we play, everything changes, like our minds become different, so self-control is the key.

The biggest mistake for gamblers is not being able to accept defeat. It involves their emotions and most of the time gamblers do not have the ability to control their emotions. If you cannot manage your bankroll properly when you gamble, then this mistake can lead to huge losses. Winning or losing in gambling is the main thing because you can be mentally cheerful at the time when you can win. Most gamblers do not have the tolerance to accept defeat. If they lose a bet they do not stop playing and become aggressive to win.

The only way to control emotions is to be strict in allocating funds for gambling. If you can manage your bankroll properly then controlling emotions in gambling will be the easiest because the limitation of funds prevents you from gambling more and motivates you to stop gambling at the right time.

Both the gain and loss should be expected in for in gambling, even though we don't pray for the losses to come, but we have have preparation in for it so that it does not surprised us after landing, we can't be gambling and failed to have both sides experience, but I know that people will always hope for that better aspect to come our way in gambling.

I'm not a hypocrite, so when I gamble, I naturally hope to profit from every bet I make. It's just important to realize that we won't always be lucky enough to win, and that's highly unlikely. Bookmakers are essentially seeking profit, and that profit comes from players who bet. Therefore, they provide games with the potential to generate profits, but behind that, they've rigged the games so they profit more often than the players.

Furthermore, it's quite ridiculous that someone gambles but expects to lose. Even outside of gambling, it seems no one expects to lose. Is it like in a movie where they expect losses because they have a bigger plan to gain profits? I don't think so.

Well, imagine this: you come to Monte Carlo on business, and during your free time, you’re just walking around enjoying the view. Then you stumble upon a casino. If you’re wandering around the Monte Carlo city centre, you’ll definitely come across one — they’re everywhere, right? You think your friends would laugh at you for being in Monte Carlo and not visiting a casino, so you decide to go inside, pay the €20 entry fee, and put €10 on roulette (the fee includes a €10 voucher). In that situation, I’d consider myself a winner even if I just lost my bet and walked out. :)

You say you don't need a lot of money to gamble? I couldn't agree more with you here. Moreover, helping or lending money to someone for gambling is nothing but foolishness. No gambler can ever guarantee whether he will win or not. But I think every gambler should use his own money to gamble. There is no problem even if you lose money by gambling. But with a loan from the bank, if that money is lost in the bet, he will have to face a very bad situation. He will not have money to repay the loan. Gambling never works by calculating the ratio correctly. I think there is only risk in gambling, and luck can win.

In most forms of gambling, the expected value is technically a loss because of the house edge. The real skill is managing that gap, choosing bets with the best odds and staking wisely.

Do you usually calculate EV before betting, or go more by instinct?

Honestly, it's fine, but there's a place for it. It would be ridiculous to borrow money specifically for gambling. After borrowing, can we guarantee 100 percent of the money will be returned according to what we promised them? I think that's unethical because, as far as I know, it's hard to make something go according to our wishes. So, if you really intend to gamble, you need to prepare capital and set a date when you're truly ready. In short, you should use your own money. Set clear limits from the start. Be quick to recognize your gambling habits, quickly close your account, and stop when you've lost several times.

The fun is intrinsic to playing, that's where it lies Those who say they play for fun aren't entirely lying because there is fun, So when we focus only on getting money it's normal, we all want money but if we don't win it's obvious that we'll have something to console us and that's the fun that remains.

We should definitely expect the unexpected in gambling, because at some point we can tell what results we get from our gambling section,  so if we have our minds fixed on a particular outcome be it lose or winning,  their will definitely effect out overall outcomes and emotional states which can deny us the fun that we should have gotten from the gambling sessions.

Whenever I partake in gambling I don't expect that I am going to win and that is why in gambling I bet with what I can afford to lose so that immediately I lose I know that it will not affect me and if I also win I will be happy about my winning, so that makes me know to expect anything from gambling neither I use a huge amount of money to participate in gambling I know very well that's nothing like Assurance for me to win that is why I don't really depend on gambling, and the I know that two things are involved in the gambling it is neither and win or I lose and one of them I cannot escape it that is why I do make up my mind that one thing must involve and gambling and I will not depend on winning

It is never advisable to expect more or any vital rewards during gambling, as it will definitely affect us both our mental health and well being. Gambling is a game that can come out positively or negatively so it depends on you and how you may see it. There are sometimes it will be for you, but it doesn't mean that, as it has come, it must come continually, that is never the case, it is just by luck and that is just it. The system has been designed in a way by wish, winning streak is always impossible, but a way by which they can gain from all the lost we will get. And that is just the build up of gamble.

Well, the serious gambler will think about both because both go hand in hand, you can't think about what you stand to gain, win, make as profit without also thinking about what you stand to spend, potential lose if winning does not happen, this is the normal way to gamble, you don't think about one and leave the other because both are very important to put into consideration..

But then if you ask me, thinking about the what one stand to lose and planning on how to manage effectively is very much more important because as it's often said, that a bird we have in our hands is worth the millions of birds that are flying in the bush, money we already have In our hands is ours and must be managed well, the one we hope to win is not yet come and there is also the probability that we won't win it, so the best we can do for ourself is manage the money we have very well, ensuring that we make judicious use of it before it's all gone.

Well, as humans that we are, there is always an explanation to win no matter how hard things are going, and it doesn't justify that we don't care or have the feeling of losing. It's staying positive and giving out positivity. Nobody will ever aim for defeat. As a gambler, it's always advisable to always understand the losses so you don't get too emotional and lose your guard too in gambling. Because there's no guarantee the win will always come, and because you know it's more luck and you have discipline over your funds, know that borrowing to gamble is one of the major mistakes you make as a gambler because it's totally unpredictable no matter how skilled you are in analysing. It will also help you not to go bankrupt and not to always expect to hit the jackpot at every game you stake. We should always balance the gambling and every other thing we are doing.

It's clear why people gamble, it's to seek profit, not loss. This is true even in situations outside of gambling. Everyone hopes for luck and gains, not losses. It's ridiculous to expect losses in doing something.

I don't deny that accepting defeat is difficult, but there's no better way than to accept it. Dwelling on defeat is pointless, and can even make us want to continue gambling with the constant certainty that we'll lose more often. Don't assume that winning will easily happen as we desire. The fear is that overthinking it will only stress us out.

Well, I think it depends on how much you lose. Personally I gamble to entertain myself but there's a limit on how much money I will use that won't hurt even i'm not fortunate to win. Having fun while playing is important if you're really after entertainment. Because what matter is you satisfy yourself. However, it's a different thing if you're going to play for fun yet you're using a huge money.

I don't really expect to make money from gambling and I don't have any intention of making money from gambling. I just gamble for fun, not to make money, which means I don't have to keep track of expected profits and expected losses. And besides, there is no guarantee that we will win from gambling. We can lose our money at any time. So it is always better to consider gambling as entertainment and it is more realistic to use very small amounts of money on gambling platforms as entertainment because gambling is not the best way to make money and one should not expect too much from gambling.

It has to depend on how much the gambler is allocating into each bet session that will determine what direction his concentration will be directed to, if is what he is to lose or stand to win.  To the gambler that is allocating what he can afford to lose, the hypothesis is that his concentration and aim will be on the profit to win with no regrets in the potentiality of a loss. And the opposite will be the case of the gambler risking high.

I understand the fun aspect you are saying but when you are having the fun but you continue to lose money for nothing without getting it back can be a big problem with the kind of gambling fun you are taking about. It is better you are betting on a casino using the demo option than for you to be gambling for the fund and you are losing money to the casino. Whenever fun you mean, you will still want to make money from the casino you are using to bet.

Yes, gambling should be primarily for entertainment purposes, if you have the right mindset while gambling, the risk of losing money can be reduced many times. Gambling can never be the main purpose of earning money and it is not possible to get rich quickly through gambling. When we gamble for entertainment purposes, we will have self-control over ourselves and self-control in gambling is very important. Gambling cannot be a part of our life, nothing can be said for sure through gambling, so it is wise to gamble with money that we can afford to lose.

Well, that's not true, is it? It's a fact that thousands of people became new millionaires through winning a lottery. What happened next? Have they became happy because of that? That's another question.  But we can't deny that it is possible to get rich quickly through gambling.


I totally agree with that. Although it is possible to get rich quickly through gambling, the probability of that is very small. It is much more likely that you will just lose your bet, so, assume that you are betting wrong and only some glitch in the matrix can make you win. Have fun. :)

It must rely on the amount of the bet being given by the gambler in each betting session that would predetermine what line his concentration is going to be center on, whether it is what he is going to lose or what he is going to win.  The hypothesis to the gambler who is spending what he can afford to lose is that his focus and intention will be on the win with no regrets in the prospect of a loss. and the reverse will be the case of the gambler risking high.

Na true sha, people don dey rich through gambling but the money self no de last, and most of the time you go don lose plenty times before you win that big money. Since na game of luck na to just de hope make your prediction click. E de possible to de rich through gambling but consistent financial growth no de.

Yes, gambling platforms and various media outlets often publish news about how some lucky person has won another jackpot. In that moment, those people are certainly happy, but I think that many of them then spend all their winnings short-sightedly and end up returning to the level of life they had before their big win.

Demo accounts can't give you the same feeling of real account therefore you can't have the type of fun that you need when gambling through a demo account. It's when you're betting on live account that you can get the real fun but just that you'll have to control how you gamble so that you don't end up losing money money than you budgeted or it causes you to get into debts.  When gambling the expected loss is always higher than the expected gain because you lose more times than you gain but you can monitor your loss and stop before it gets out of hand.

Nobody takes a demo account seriously because you can’t win real money there, and if it were true that people go to casinos just for entertainment, everyone would play on demo accounts and no one would lose money. But everyone wants to win, and for the chance of a big win, they are willing to risk losing money. Moreover, on a demo account, you don’t get the emotions you feel when playing with real money.

In my opinion, using the terms "profit" and "loss" in this situation is not entirely correct. This is because these terms are primarily used in business. For example, profit is the positive difference between an entrepreneur's income and expenses. Losses are the negative difference between an entrepreneur's income and expenses. Gambling is not a business. A bet, in my opinion, cannot be considered a gambler's expense (after all, in business, expenses determine the value of a product or service, but not in gambling). 🦧

In my opinion, other terms are more appropriate in gambling: bet, potential game winnings, and potential game losses. Then everything becomes clear!🎉

The size of a potential bet is limited by your budget. A gambler must adequately assess both the potential game winnings and potential game losses in monetary terms. At the same time, they must also adequately assess the mathematical probabilities of these events (game winnings and losses). This is especially important in sports betting.  It's even useful to create a special table in Excel by entering the relevant data into the table cells.🃏

You are making a sense here. There is no fun using a demo account to bet when you are not going to get the real feelings of winning or losing. Excessive usage of demo account can increase emotional stability when you gamble when you started gambling on live account. There is no sense over using a demo privilege which is to make you understand and how to play a game not using it for too long.

Well, the best thing is to bet an amount of money that you know you won't mind losing, because we all know that if we feel bad about losing money it's because we had it earmarked for something we need, so fun shouldn't become a sacrifice but a privilege that we should always enjoy , so only bet what you can afford to lose without sacrificing your other things.

Your risk is the most important, in a normal business individuals consider their risk before profits, so why will it be otherwise in gambling. Only an irresponsible individual will expect profits more than considering risks.

Gambling it's self is a game of chance and luck, so there is no win rate, you just get to win if you are lucky so in such an activety you should only spend the money that you can afford to loose, and not a money for something else.

Comparing the sensation of winning is certainly different. For example, if we win big in a demo-based gambling game, it won't make us feel happy, satisfied, or excited. But sometimes, when we win small amounts in real gambling, where money is at stake, it can create a different sensation, even if the amount is small. I like playing slots, and when my balance is almost gone, luck is on my side, causing it to rise again. This is when I feel the thrill. Thinking about losses here, I think we should think about avoiding major losses and try to avoid them, which of course will happen when we lose control. Furthermore, don't expect big wins in gambling, because that can also lead to losing control.

Gambling is for fun, not an investment that we can expect some returns from. If gambling never makes us enjoy because we are consistently losing, then we need to forget about it.

We didn't gamble because we only wanted to win. Besides, winning is more than a privilege. If we've been given the chance, then be thankful and never think of more because the more we think about it, the more terrible losses come. 

So we have to be mindful of our actions, and if possible, we gamble responsibly. Because this won't just save us from losing a lot but rather make us feel enjoyed.

Yes, the idea is that you can bet without regrets, that if you spend all the money you had to lose, it's not a big deal because that's as far as you should have gone Everything else unfolds gradually, The idea is not to lose money just for the sake of losing it Knowing how to play is about loving ourselves because it's about Taking care of our money.

What might happen if we keep thinking about it is that something will push us to continue gambling. Even after experiencing a losing streak, this drive won't be easy to stop, and even if we run out of capital, there's a chance we might continue gambling in unconventional ways, like borrowing money from people around us. That's bad.

Furthermore, I believe that if we gamble wisely and responsibly, for example, when we lose, we choose to stop and not prolong the gambling session, even if we win or even profit. By doing so, we're trying to minimize the risk of loss. Controlling yourself while gambling is indeed difficult. It's not as easy as it sounds, but discipline in the actual practice of betting is crucial, so it's best to strive for discipline to ensure everything goes smoothly.

I agree with you, most gamblers feels bankroll is not necessary and important in gambling which is the biggest mistake they are making because they feel they can control their resources by themselves forgetting that it is a different ball game ones you start gambling, engaging yourself in bankroll helps you posseses some level of discipline and have a strong structure it is necessary to support them for a long-term, it also helps them manage risk and make them play responsibly.and gives you the ability for proper planning of your daily and basic expenses without mixing up your gambling expenses and encroaching other expenses.

We can't deny the fact that we all come to gambling full of positivity, thinking, "We're going to win." Unfortunately, most of the time we're not given a favor and end up losing. However, we already understand how gambling works; we can never hear any regrets. Might be some frustration but not reaching the point of cursing the casino.

Yeah, we all experience losses and wins, but as I write today, I lose more than I win. But I still gamble because I never thought I would be cheated. I just want to enjoy gambling and hope someday to be given a chance to win a huge amount.

I have that thought at most times that the amount I've set as my bankroll is already expected to be gone. This is a way to avoid being so hurtful if have expected so much gain and then, with my mistake and bad decision lost them all. But I don't want to be negative as well thinking of that already but I can't help myself to protect myself from disappointment either. And so, sometimes I think of the possible gains when it's like in the tournament like in swcpoker and how I'll be ending with in place and it's also set how much I've spent for entry there is an expected lose too.

You are right bro, you need to be well prepared and firmly ready to withstand anything that follows because the game is not a bed of roses, two things is certainly involved either you lost or win.

As a matter of fact, their is this mindset I literally use or should I say principle that helps me in my gambling activities, I don't gamble expecting anything in return like profit and all that, I just do it for the fun and if been lucky I will take something home but if otherwise am cool. However, this has helped me in recent time and lessing my expectations while gambling.

After placing a bet, I often tried to get the feeling of winning in advance in that bet. But it turns out that instead of winning, I lose and the feeling of that time is much more painful. That is why I no longer expect to win until the win is confirmed, but I think that the possibility of my losing is high in every bet, which helps me to be mentally stable. The higher the gambler's expectations, the greater the regret when they lose.

The expectation of everyone that engages in gambling is winning not losses, though one can't talk about gambling without mentioning looses or gambling don't do without looses. What gives you an expected winning is your consistency in gambling, one can't chicken out because you encounter few loses while playing games, if you do that it means you are not ready to win or you were not prepare for gambling as it will always comes with winning and loosing.

As a gambler! You should have an open mind owning to the fact that you can loss or win at any given time you gamble, if you have a higher expectation of a game you have bet and you end up loosing, you should be able to bear it emotionally as that comes with betting, bettors have experience so many losses before winning comes, so as a gambler you should expect the either winning or loosing as they work hand in hand with each other while gambling.

The main idea of ​​this topic can be summarized as follows: "Sooner or later, everyone gets lucky at the casino, but the question is how much money you have for gambling :)." I'm exaggerating, but overall, the casino will still come out ahead in the long run, even if a given gambler gets lucky and wins a lot of money. Will this winnings be enough to cover all the money previously spent on gambling? It's not a given, and even before that, it's safe to say that most likely won't.

Expecting to make money from betting should not be in a hurry. Anybody can make bad decisions as gambler and when you are now trying to make quick money from your bets, that is when you can be mistaken greed for a short to make money without understanding that you need to protect your funds instead of trying to make audio money to add to your bag.
Some gamblers like fantasizing about the kind of money they're going to make from betting without knowing if that will come to reality or not.

That's the key to responsible gambling If we gamble responsibly, things flow smoothly, we move away from addiction, and our money goes further. I gamble as a last resort What does that mean? It means I only gamble when my basic needs are met , such as the market, taxes, and other expenses.

The fact that only after core needs are fulfilled people make bets allows explaining the importance of self control, and we can emulate this trend in meeting the financial pressure. We also make sure that the money that is raised is actually of a source that does not affect obligations. Our mind also is in the state of balanced mind as decisions are made when calm. We are thus in a better position to continue playing alongside the entertainment background but not a cause of both financial and emotional disturbance.

That's true, many of them lose what they won much quicker they one can imagine. That's because of the lack of proper education among other things. But if we are talking about the possibility of becoming a millionaire through gambling, we must admit, it's possible. Overall, expecting gain from gambling is a bit on the stupid side, imo. Expect to lose and let the universe surprise you with a big win.

It's possible, I agree, but the percentage is very small. But if you ask me if becoming a millionaire from gambling is possible, I have the same answer as you.

Now another thing is, how much money do they have to spend on lottery tickets before they win? And as far as I know, not all gamblers participate in lotteries (at least in my area), because more people play slot games. Even if they win the maximum, I don't think it can recoup their previous losses, because they only play at low stakes.

I love the summary of your comment, the part you said expect the losses and let the universe surprise you with a win. This is in fact the best way to approach gambling, when one expects the losses every time they gamble, it helps them also prepare for those losses, and like we know, whatever you’re prepared for can never surprise you, which means you’re actually in the safer side because you put yourself in a better position to make more rational decisions without actually being influenced by the outcome of your bet.

Being responsible in gambling is something many gamblers don't consider. So many people worry more about how much they want to win, and forget the fact that in gambling the losses are even more often. We should be able to understand minimise our losses as a gambler and maximise our wins. Each wins you make mistakes because able to cancel out the total amount of losses that's how you remain in the game for long. If you are the kind of gambler that goes in blindly without considering these little things, you would end up in a losing streak. Yes it's not easy to win no matter the kind of rules you place for yourself, but If you try to follow your plans, it would work out to some extent..

If you think about the loss without thinking about development, you will not be interested in gambling and will not use too much money in gambling because you will be responsible for your money. A big reason why most gamblers become addicted is that they think about how much they will win but do not think about how much they are losing. So, being greedy for big wins, they keep gambling and keep losing money and they use more and more money to recover the money they lose. In this way, they suffer a lot from gambling. But those who think about how much they are losing use gambling very carefully and use the amount of money they can afford to lose.

For me, rules are a very important aspect of gambling. I added and adjusted the list of rules, but once I created it for myself and strictly adhered to it, everything became more predictable. I don't increase the bet, I don't play more than I planned, it's like a training session, when you have a program and follow it precisely. Now I understand how important this is, before I played chaotically and could get carried away, but now that's not the case. Some might say it's not as exciting, but for me, it's the best choice I've ever made.

I have a completely different mindset, when I set my bankroll, I expect to at least double it and am not at all ready to part with it. Losing will be difficult for me in any case, because I don't like losing. Even when I'm prepared to lose my entire bankroll in gambling, I still expect to win, double my bankroll, and withdraw my winnings. With this focus, it's easier and much more enjoyable for me to play, and expecting to lose everything from the start is wrong, in my opinion.

I tried doing the same, but then I realized, unexpectedly, that I was getting less pleasure from gambling. It's like a double-edged sword: I want to maintain control, but because of this, I become more disciplined in my gambling behavior. On the one hand, there's fun and recklessness, but on the other, there's the risk of losing control and losing everything. Even in this action, we see a constant clash of interests in gambling between fun and discipline.
And while everyone seems to say, "Play and have fun," excessive fun can have financial consequences.

The fact that they said that you should play and have fun doesn't mean you are to make gambling a habits, all in the name of having fun. There should always be moderation, no matter what the aim for gambling is , whether it is for fun or not as too much of anything isn't good.we should try as much as we can to be able to control our gambling habits,  to avoid losing almost all our valuables to gambling.

Even when the bankroll is carrying the losses care must be taken and attention must be made to the expected loss. As for the expected win, even when you are not carried away with it, it will just intrude the mind, that joy of winning. Getting carried away with expected win might be because of level of financial balance. I guess more attention should be given to the expected loss.

Responsibility in gambling is what separates those who play for years without harm from those who burn out quickly many gamblers chase excitement instead of structure and when emotions lead the way the outcome is almost always loss your point about minimizing losses and maximizing wins is spot on because gambling isn’t about winning every time it’s about surviving long enough to stay in the game the more reckless you get the shorter your gambling lifespan becomes.

Having personal rules is like building a shield around yourself things like setting time limits bankroll boundaries and knowing when to walk away aren’t about removing the fun they’re about protecting your stability the excitement is still there but now it’s controlled and safe it’s true though that too much discipline can feel like it takes away the thrill but that’s just the balance every gambler has to find. Fun without restraint leads to regret and discipline without joy makes gambling feel mechanical the real challenge is finding that middle point where you can still enjoy yourself while keeping your actions measured and thoughtful the moment you stop playing responsibly and let greed or boredom dictate your choices that’s when gambling stops being entertainment and starts becoming a problem.

We can have lots of losses in the long term which is very correct but losses may not really be significant or have any negative influence to those who only gamble for fun by not keeping any record of losses, my current situation has been a lossing streaks and I don't give attention to my losses because it has always been an amount that I can afford to lose, I don't think about my losses my interest is on the expected gains and that is what it will always be because focusing on expected losses can change my gambling narratives. I gamble for fun.

Although they’re fun, casino games are meant for making money, trying to double your bet or something like that, taking the risk to the extreme to be well rewarded. Most of the games are just clicking, so what really exists is the adrenaline of whether you win or lose a bet. It would actually be interesting if casinos had some other kind of game. Imagine one with a story mode where you have to bet certain things to progress in the game. That would be really cool.

I think you are quite prudent in gambling that is why you are more concerned about the amount of loss than the amount of win. A prudent gambler should think like this because most new gamblers may have a limited amount of available money or they have to go through a learning period. Therefore if a gambler gives more importance to the possibility of loss instead of winning, he will be able to maintain his bankroll properly. In my opinion there will be a tendency to win in gambling but if I focus more on the expected profit, there will be a possibility of being greedy so the amount of money should be allocated that I am ready to lose and that is what I consider while gambling.

I would have titled the thread: 'Hoped gain or expected loss?'


In general, what happens is that when you go to the casino or gamble online, you have an amount in mind that you would like to reach, and then you would withdraw it and spend it on something else. So that's hope. In the long run, we cannot beat the house edge, and mathematically that would be an expected loss. If the casino has a house edge of 1% for every £1 you bet, the expected loss is £0.01, although that night you can multiply your money, which is what people are looking for.

What you've said is very much on point and doesn't deviate from the true goal: to play not to achieve absolute victory, but to know when to stop. This only applies in the context of limiting our money. Otherwise, we'll lose control, and major losses are inevitable. Ironically, this is difficult to do, especially when we're losing, and negative thoughts arise. This must be addressed immediately so that our capital can quickly recover from previous losses, considering we still have funds remaining, say 30% of our initial capital.

Play again, and the words "We must try to quickly recover our capital and return to the minimum initial stake" will continue to arise as the game progresses. Unfortunately, this ambition is sometimes dashed by the play of someone more skilled than us, or by the dealer himself. In the end, our position is like falling down the stairs again. It's truly painful.

Well, that's not a problem if they are assuming to have that kind of amount they're likely to earn from gambling. Because if they're going to take a look at it, everyone has the same chance of winning as we gamble. But when giving figures, we have to put it close to reality.

We all don't like losing but we have to accept it that it's part of gambling. Even if we don't like to lose, that will happen even after the time that we've been the luckiest. Set your heart and expectations to reality because if you're not ready to accept that it happens naturally, it's going to be painful and harder to accept.

Responsibly gambling pays a lot but some people font know this. Whether one gambles responsibly or aggressively it doesn't change gambling from what it is, you will definitely win or lose and none of this gambling manners determine easily gambling,  instead gambling by all means to get win, no limit even makes gambling to even worse.  Gambling with more money that you cant afford to lose constantly increases ones loses in gambling and it is a kind of gambling style that is full of emotions, when the outcome you are getting is not what you expect. Gambling is a game of understanding and responsibly gambling is just the way to enjoy gambling.

Gambling should be played for fun, and all losses should be accepted, before the loss occurs you should determine that this money will definitely be lost to you, and determine the ability to bear the loss and you should use the money accordingly, so that later when you lose that money, you can control yourself and it does not force you to make wrong decisions emotionally. Since we can never predict the outcome, we should be ready to accept the loss from the situation, because when you lose beyond you can afford to lose, the situation can be very bad.

Of course, the percentage is very small. We can't expect everyone winning jackpots and becoming a millionaire from gambling. It's one in 10 million. No one should expect to be one of them.


Usually not much. If you think your chance of hitting jackpot depends on how many tickets you buy, you are wrong, unless you buy millions of tickets. And regarding slots, I'm the one who's in profit from hitting big multipliers on slots. I've lost much less than I've won overall. But that's just luck. No some special strategy or anything.


Thanks, mate! I always try to write something meaningful here, and I'm glad when it's noticed.

It's not everyone that can be bent on playing gambling for fun and I really see that some people are lucky to win in gambling that is why they have the hope to gamble for the sake of making more money, if it's  really favourable to them, they just have to play responsibly and also have it mind to accept what ever outcome they get whether a lose or profit just like you said. Gambling is a game of luck and whether one is gambling for profit or fun, they should play with the amount they can afford to lose, that way, they will be fine.

I think they are both as equally important but if I had to only have one it would have to be my expected loss because that is equal to what I am willing to wager. If I didn’t know how much to gamble I couldn’t. Is kind of paradoxical

It's the best thing we can do, being responsible with ourselves To be honest, what we should take care of most is our money Without money there is nothing, no entertainment, no fun, nothing. So, if we give importance to money by knowing what we are going to spend, then it is being responsible.

Absolutely right, managing money is the most important thing, if we do not have a clear idea of ​​our needs, limitations and goals, then any joy or comfort can collapse in an instant, because we can make the wrong decision at any moment, which can lead us to a lot of losses. And when we lose money, it usually creates a lot of frustration and emotions in us, due to which we lose the power to think properly. So it should never be allowed to get out of control, because as a result it can create a lot of big problems.

Gambling itself is neutral, and how it reacts towards an individual is solely dependent on how the individual approaches it. A gambler who’s responsible or reasonable isn’t one who magically avoids losses, but one who views and perceives gambling as a form of entertainment, rather than a financial strategy. They’re gamblers who knows how to set limits and stick to those limits and they’re never emotional regardless of the results.

Gambling is indeed a neutral activity, and what makes it to turn out either destructive or constructive is strictly dependent on the mindset and the discipline that the gambler in question. When we talk about responsible gambler, it is not a gambler who means constantly, but rather one who knows how to set boundaries and draw a distinctive line between entertainment and making profits, and no matter how tempting it may be, they’ll refuse crossing that limit.

People jump and gamble with this mindset of I must win, and that is where the whole problem starts. The truth is, once you already tell yourself that the money you are staking is something you are fully prepared to lose, it suddenly becomes less stressful and more like normal entertainment..

Most gamblers get into trouble because they gamble with money that is supposed to solve real life issues, and when things do not go their way, emotions comes in and they start making decisions that only make the situation worse..

When we do things right and lower the stress and pressure in the game, everything flows That's the level we should reach, If we win, great, if we lose, that's okay too, because we've only lost what we're willing to lose Then everything flows, and the casino becomes a part of us without abusing it By abusing the casino, we are condemning ourselves.

A gambler who still does that is very irresponsible and immature.

Spending the money that's for your needs shouldn't be tolerated by the others because it clearly shows on what type of gambler are you.

I think what's on the mind of that gambler is about how much they're going to win and at the same time cater that need.

But that kind of reasoning is only gonna bring you some more troubles than solutions.

You're right, these are the kinds of things many people should consider when playing, The forum should implement a system where the best posts are prioritized for new players New players come in with a lot of hope and dreams, and I don't blame them I was like that myself , and this kind of advice helps a lot.

Unless you are playing for the sake of entertainment,
you will only find massive disappointment or overblown hope.

And that leads to the motivation of betting more, just to win your money back.
Or feeling too lucky and unbeatable.

Either way, both will motivate you to bet more.

If we lose control, we become vulnerable and weak, and our money is what disappears. In other words, we'll be worse off Money is very necessary; we shouldn't leave it at the casino just because we have impulses We must be people who make a difference That's why it's essential that we, as good players, prioritize money above all else From there, control depends on the strategy we apply.

Just because of the impulses, yes, we shouldn't. But if we expect some loss before we start playing, if we expect to lose to casino, say, $5-$10, the money that we can afford to lose, than it's another story, right? I think, there's nothing wrong in "losing" some small amount on your entertainment. I deliberately put "losing" in quotation marks because to me it's not losing as such. I'm confident that money spent on your relaxation is not lost. I'd say, it's invested in the effectiveness of your work in the nearest future; and working more effectively you can make more money, right?

Responsible or irresponsible gambling Winning is not always attached to how we gamble; the only difference is if you are a responsible gambler, you can easily control how much you spend while hoping to win, but for the irresponsible ones, they always gamble without control and end up losing much more money compared to what could have been spent if there was self-control.

How do you enjoy gambling when you obviously lose than you win, no when can actually understand gambling because it's a lucky game. The only way is to play responsibly by not allowing your emotions or greed to overshadow you. You have to be careful when you're staking and knowing when to stop is responsibly. No matter how responsible you are it will not stop you from losing, but it will only limit your losing by knowing how when to summon courage to stop and take a break from gambling.

We need to think twice before making a gambling decision and we need to think in advance about how much money we will lose if the result goes against us. If we do not think about all this, then we will make fewer mistakes. Yes, as gamblers, our main objective is to win by gambling, but even if we expect to win, gamblers do not always win. Since gambling means taking a big risk of money, I think we should set an amount for gambling that will not cause much problem in our life if we lose that amount from our total money. It will always be a wrong move if gamblers gamble with most of their wealth. How much we are winning should not be our first priority, but our first priority should be what percentage of our total money we are risking.

I would say that people who know how to seek long-term victories can have satisfactory results, but not everyone, because the long-term trend in a casino for a player is to lose. You have to know how to bet and do it very intelligently. If we don't do it that way, the loss of money will be incredible For me, playing in a casino is synonymous with having a lot of money management skills and the intelligence to control it and not fall into addiction, but rather know how to enjoy it.