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I like the whole concept, but this isn't something new or anything op since it's just like other casino games such as mines with a different skin. The site interface is very unorganized and needs a lot of work.

This whole passive earning strategy seems good on paper, but liquidity is the big issue here. All the best with your project.

So, your platform takes 10% of every bet irrespective of win or lose? This means you as a casino are operating with a 10% house edge (this is more lethal than house edge as it is a guaranteed loss on every bet not theoretical ;D).
Tell me one reason why I should not play mines/tower on any other casino with only 1% house edge Is there any provably fair system on your platform?

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Misleading, please remove this.

Thanks for taking the time to review it. The similarity to Mines is only at the surface level. The core mechanic here is not a single-player click-to-survive game; it’s a competitive King-of-the-Hill structure where pattern recognition, counter-patterning, and meta adaptation determine how long you hold the throne.

The dynamics change completely because each challenge affects another player, not the house. Failed attempts feed the reward mechanism for the current champion, and the prize-pool model ensures economic continuity without relying on external liquidity. The ecosystem is essentially self-funding: player decision-making and challenge frequency define the payout curve.

Early adopters get to shape the emerging meta, which is where most of the novelty sits. Appreciate the feedback and the chance to clarify.

Thanks for the thoughtful questions.

To clarify the economics: the platform’s actual house edge is 2.5%. The remaining 7.5% is not taken by the house — it is allocated directly into the prize-pool fund. The current champion receives recurring dividends from that pool based on time held, which means the effective benefit to players increases as challenge volume and pool size grow.

Regarding provable fairness: the system is fully provably fair. All patterns are committed via hashed seeds and can be independently verified. The verification page is here: https://satcipher.com/verify

Your point about wording is noted — I’ll adjust the phrasing so it reflects the actual risk profile without implying skill eliminates variance.

Appreciate the direct critique; it helps refine the explanation.

I checked out their site platform, but for me, it’s not that attractive to me. In my opinion, it’s not easy to win their games, and it seems to me that it’s just a matter of luck,
just my opinion though.

I really don’t know, I’m just not comfortable with those games. Maybe good luck to the others who will participate in their games. It’s not that I don’t understand their mechanics,
but I’m really not that confident. Sorry.

Username: doggywin


Edit-

I became the guardian!!  :D

But I cannot DM


Nice UI. Like the concept. You should add alts to get more players.

However I checked out their platform but it just does not really pull me in the game feel pretty to win and seem mostly based on luck so i am not that confident about joining that just is how i feel through good luck to everyone who want to give it shot.

In deposit area, it has "💡 Entry fee: 1000 sats to play". I think that is wrong. I paid 500 sats 7 times to win and no 1000 sats.

Congratulations 🎉 you win the $25 giveaway bonus! I adjusted my account settings here and you should be able to dm me now! Let me know you're where to send your btc prize!

I was wondering why your old thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562152.0) was discontinued. Anyway, I wanted to try my luck and play using the 3000 sats from your last giveaway (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562152.msg65922930#msg65922930), but I already forgot my password and couldn't log back in :P. Is there any way to recover it? I can't see any other option in the login page besides creating a new account.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/11/29/URIAD2.png

Thanks for reaching out — and great question.

We took the previous version of the site offline intentionally. After the initial launch, we identified several structural bugs and scaling issues, so we decided to rebuild key parts of the platform rather than patch it piece-by-piece. The current version is significantly more robust, faster, and easier to maintain long-term.

Regarding your old account: since you no longer have the password and account recovery wasn’t implemented in the earlier build, the simplest solution is to create a new account. Once you do, just DM me your new username and I will manually credit you with the sats from the previous giveaway. I’m happy to honor it.

Appreciate you giving it another try — the relaunch should feel much smoother than the original version.

Received :D

Thanks so much and don't forget that as the current champion you still earning sats out of the prize pool as well as when other people challenge and fail to take your position as champion! So the earnings will keep rolling in :-)

So still it is 150% more and why would someone opt for it instead of playing at 1% house edge? I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.
Most sites which offer only one game are not doing well, players will play slots with much higher house edge but the experience factor is much greater there.
It is good that you have made it PvP, but still there is no skill involved thus it hardly matters.

Liquidity will still be an issue here which is why I find this game unappealing primarily as of now. The whole early adopters part makes this sound like some sort of HYIP ponzi scheme even if that isn't really the case.

Your team needs to do something creative in order to try and boost the popularity of this game since sites like this one don't usually last long due to intense competition these days.

Thanks for the thoughtful pushback — it’s fair criticism.

You're right that the fee is higher than a typical dice or Mines house edge, but the structure works fundamentally differently. In most casino games, all losses flow to the house. Here, 90% of every failed challenge goes directly to the current Champion, not to the platform. The Champion is effectively the “house” during their reign, earning from every challenger across the entire site.

On top of that, the Champion receives hourly dividends from the growing prize pool, so earnings continue even when there are no active challengers. That combination — direct earnings from losses + guaranteed hourly payouts — is why the 2.5% platform fee exists. It keeps the system sustainable while pushing almost all value back to players.

That said, this style of game isn’t going to appeal to everyone. It’s a new model and sits in a very different category from traditional low-edge RNG games. The appeal is less about grinding tiny edges and more about competing for a high-value throne position.

Appreciate you taking the time to challenge the idea — the comparison helps clarify what makes the format different.


Totally fair point — early liquidity is the hardest part of launching any PvP-style system.

That’s actually the main reason the prize pool exists. Even in low-activity periods, the Champion still earns hourly prize-pool dividends, meaning the throne generates income even without constant challenges. Once activity ramps up, the second earning stream — failed challenges — kicks in and compounds the effect.

So the Champion earns in two ways:

1. Failed challenges from all users (90% to the Champion)


2. Guaranteed hourly prize-pool payouts, regardless of challenge volume



This ensures the core loop keeps functioning even before the platform reaches scale.

All that said, you’re absolutely right that this type of game isn’t for everyone. It’s a new concept, it doesn’t behave like slots or dice, and it relies heavily on meta-driven player behavior. Some people will vibe with that; others won’t — and that’s fine.

I appreciate the candid feedback. The goal here isn’t to make it sound like a HYIP or a money machine; it’s just a different mathematical model that becomes more interesting with competition. We’ll continue experimenting with creative ways to grow the player base responsibly.

It is skill based. They didn't mention it in the post. After a guess they tell you how many you got right. You can save moves from using the hints. If you get 0/3, all 3 tiles aren't it. These are hints from the website:

✅ 3/3 CORRECT

⚠️ 2/3 CORRECT

ℹ️ 1/3 CORRECT

❌ 0/3 CORRECT




Because if my strategy is better I can earn more?



I like this one though. It is just a few dollars but I keep checking if somebody has beat me. It is less like slots and more like poker. It needs more players to work.


LOL The sum I spent is just $3.5 I can survive without $3.5  :P

Hello doggywin,
Thank you very much for jumping in and explaining the skill element! We really appreciate you taking the time to clarify that crucial part of the gameplay for other users.

You are absolutely right—the feedback loop is the core mechanic that turns this from pure RNG into a logic and deduction game, much like poker!

We recognize that the original post did not emphasize this enough, so based on your feedback and the discussion here, we have now updated the original thread post to be much clearer about the skill-based mechanics, the 4x4 grid size, and the two-part income structure for the Guardian.

Congratulations again on claiming the first Champion spot and the $25 bonus! Keep checking those taxes—we hope you enjoy the competition!

I appreciate that you are taking feedback seriously. One more thing I would like to suggest you (since you might not be familiar with this) to not use AI chatbots while replying to criticisms/suggestions here. Usage of AI chatbots is disrespectful to the thoughtful inputs of wise members here.  
I would like to keep it human to human, hope you will get this positively.

This must be ChatGPT. Claude is better at writing.  ;D




In the version before there was a weekend champion... Is that gone? It was 10x $5 champions and $25 for weekend champion

In the earlier version it was written in a way one person could be champion more than once and claim prize more than once?  But now 15x early adopters make it 15 different individuals?

Thank you for the additional input, memehunter.

We definitely value thoughtful input from community members like yourself, and we are paying close attention to every piece of feedback regarding the game mechanics and economy.

Regarding your suggestion on communication—we appreciate the advice and where you're coming from. For our part, we aim to provide the clearest, most comprehensive, and timely responses possible to keep the conversation moving and ensure transparency for all users. We prioritize substance and clarity in our answers above all else.

We hope you understand and focus on the ongoing discussion about Satoshi's Cipher itself!

Welcome to bitcointalk, SatCipher!
I don’t know but the website theme seems familiar and the domain name always rings a bell!
I read TypoTonic’s reply and indeed they had another announcement thread but that’s not why they seem so familiar. I’m pretty sure I came across this website or mybe another one that is almost identical to it somewhere else!

Thank you for the warm welcome, khaled0111!

It's great to hear that the name and theme are memorable—we'll take that as a positive!

We can definitely understand why the design might feel familiar. The core concept of setting a secret pattern and having opponents guess it is inspired by classic logic puzzles (like Mastermind), which is an evergreen mechanic, and our initial design aimed for a clean, crypto-familiar look.

However, Satoshi's Cipher is a unique implementation. The key difference is the King-of-the-Hill PvP economy—where the Champion collects 90% of the challenge fees and earns a Treasury Yield. This ensures you are always playing against a human opponent, not the house algorithm.

We are fully committed to this project long-term and invite you to dive in and see how our specific ruleset and economy create a completely new dynamic!

👉 See the Live Action (https://satcipher.com)

Thanks, I have received the sats in my new account. I tried to guess the pattern and somehow got 1/3 and 2/3 in my first and second attempts, it was a great opportunity but I failed to take advantage of it. Unfortunately for me, I wasn't able to guess it correctly within 6 attempts, but I do know the pattern now.

Seems like they're still using AI chatbots to generate responses despite the warning. :-\

I got 3,800 sats from your challenges. Thanks  ;D

AI responses? Really op? This just made me lose what little interest I had in your site to begin with since you are clearly insulting the intelligence of some of the posters in this particular thread.

Responding in such a manner itself is disrespectful and continuing to do so even after being warned is worse. Avoid this site people.

What does them using some AI got to do with insulting intelligence? You are too old fashioned :P

It is not disrespectful. But I didn't like how the terms of the giveaway was changed mid-way and that my post asking about that was skipped when I am actually interested in the game, and while they answer yours when you clearly have no interest in the game, not a player, and writes nonsense like this:



@SatCipher.com I think you should add USDT or easy to use LN wallets (like https://coinos.io/) so that deposit and withdrawal is more accessible

If there's some site similar to them, what they can do is think how they can sustain the interest of their players. Because the truth is - with this type of casino, would be a challenge to maintain their operations. As usually, the interest is only at the beginning, and later on, would be very difficult to gain regular players and so they may encounter problems in terms of operational costs.

@doggywin — My apologies for missing your specific question regarding the giveaway structure. You are valuable to this thread, and I want to clarify this immediately:

Giveaway Update:
Yes, we restructured the prize pool. Originally, we had a "Weekend Warrior" prize ($25) for the longest hold. However, looking at the current game state, we realized that with one dominant Champion (you), a "longest hold" prize would essentially result in duplicate rewards for the same person.

To make the launch fairer and encourage new challengers to step into the ring, we took that $25 allocation and converted it into 5 additional "Early Adopter" prizes ($5 each).
* Old Structure: 10x $5 prizes + 1x $25 Weekend prize.
* New Structure: 15x $5 prizes (Plus the original First Champion prize).

Reminder: As stated in the OP, there is a limit of one bounty per user.

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To the community regarding communication style:

I want to make a blanket statement to address the meta-discussion regarding my writing style so we can return to discussing the platform itself.

I utilize drafting tools to ensure my communication is clear, accurate, and structured. This is a choice made for efficiency and to ensure that complex game mechanics are explained fairly and without ambiguity.

This has absolutely no bearing on the operational integrity, code security, or solvency of Satoshi's Cipher.

My goal is to run a smooth platform and provide clear answers. No disrespect is intended toward the intelligence of this board; in fact, I use these tools specifically to provide the high-quality, structured responses that this community deserves.

If this communication style is a dealbreaker for you, I respect your decision to move on. However, for those interested in the game mechanics, I am here to answer any questions.

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@AmoreJaz — This is a valid observation for standard casinos, but Satoshi's Cipher operates differently.

We are not looking for mass adoption. We do not need thousands of users to sustain operations. This is a niche Logic/PvP game. The economy is designed to function with a small, dedicated circle of players who understand the value of the "Throne" and the logic required to take it.

As long as there are two people—one holding the throne and one wanting it—the game functions as intended.

Current Status:

• Giveaway spots are still open.
• Champion is still collecting taxes.

Its an insult if they pretended they don't rely on a robot to think for them, but at least they admitted it. Its also an insult if they think we appreciate being talked to by a robot. I'm almost impressed by how perfectly useless yet cordial their lip service is:


I feel like I already paid for some product and am now having second doubts about it, and I haven't even opened the website yet.

Back in the days of ICOs, it was very easy to get away with plagiarism, just copying a project word-for-word, changing the name, and launching it as a token. It was so commonplace that plagiarism became synonymous with "scam" on the forum. A plagiarized white paper suggests a low effort project cobbled together for the sake of ripping off investors, with no serious intention of ever delivering on its promises. And this is exactly how such projects panned out, 100% of the time.

Copy/pasting AI output without crediting it as such is akin to plagiarism, and much like a plagiarized white paper, suggestive of a low-effort project that is not meant to succeed.

OP you can insist on continuing to communicate like this but its a bad move from a business standpoint. Just letting you know now.

Hello everyone,

I didn't expect so much resistance for using AI to help me respond here. As I mentioned earlier, I meant no disrespect. I am a developer, not a writer and sometimes these tools can help me be more efficient.

I will refrain from using such tools from now on, I am genuinely curious about where this project could go. I want to see it thrive. I believe it's something unique and new. 



If anyone has any questions or would like to claim on of the 15x $5 bonuses, please let me know.

I would welcome genuine feedback and ideas to attract the right type of player for this platform.



Thank you for your interest,

--SatCipher

I just noticed you changed the topic title. I don’t know why you did this, but I don’t think it was a good move as the new title makes it sound like this thread is a discussion more than an announcement thread where the main aim is to promote and advertise your service.
The title of an announcement thread should contain the name of the service but, for some reason, you decided to remove it! Can you tell us why you did that?

By the way, you did the right thing by listening to members’ recommendations and deciding to stop using ai. I, personally, appreciate that!

Thanks for your consideration and I don't blame you if you want to try again in a different thread.

Defeated sim2 Got lucky in 8 moves!

I earned 17,134 sats from 3,500 sats  ;D With this much profit I will be able to buy an entire cup of coffee for the doggy :P

At this point I agree with you. Unless there are algorithms, then most likely the casino won't make money. So yes, it's kind of human vs. algorithm unless it's a real-life casino. But I am struggling to get how you are going to bypass the typical system. Each of the gambling sites is here to make money, not to make gamblers rich. Human vs. human sounds look like P2P games that seem not very popular, and there are a lot of sites that exist. Let's see if you can occupy the market.

I am more curious about how you are going to expand your platform. One of the most important things is marketing. Since your platform is quite different from a typical casino, how are you going to draw attention from the real gamblers? Otherwise you have to struggle to survive with your concept.

What would be the - right type - for you? ;)

Is this really meant to be a mass-market product? The developer chose Bitcoin, which not everyone holds - most people use USDT nowadays. On top of that, they’re using Lightning as the transport layer, which narrows the potential audience even further. To me, the project is clearly very niche.

Congratulations on your winnings! Thank you for engaging with the platform! May your earnings as champion continue to increase!


The platform is extremely cheap to run, making my need for profit not that high. We do have a 2.5% platform fee which I believe is fair and enough to keep things running for the player base.

The site works, doggywin has demonstrated profitablity. I'm not looking for a huge market, just players who see something new and want to participate.

The platform evolves with time and we don't need thousands of players. Just players who enjoy the concept and realize the earnings steams.


No, this is not a mass market produc, nor does it need to be to perform. It's a niche platform. I am considering adding other deposit options. LNbtc is convenient for speed.

Thanks for the feedback everyone

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