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November 26, 2025, 05:38:12 AM
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November 27, 2025, 05:05:54 PM
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I like the whole concept, but this isn't something new or anything op since it's just like other casino games such as mines with a different skin. The site interface is very unorganized and needs a lot of work.

This whole passive earning strategy seems good on paper, but liquidity is the big issue here. All the best with your project.

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November 28, 2025, 03:18:17 AM
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  • Guess wrong? Guardian pockets 90% of your entry fee (450 sats per failed challenge)
So, your platform takes 10% of every bet irrespective of win or lose? This means you as a casino are operating with a 10% house edge (this is more lethal than house edge as it is a guaranteed loss on every bet not theoretical Grin).
Tell me one reason why I should not play mines/tower on any other casino with only 1% house edge Is there any provably fair system on your platform?


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November 28, 2025, 02:14:33 PM
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I like the whole concept, but this isn't something new or anything op since it's just like other casino games such as mines with a different skin. The site interface is very unorganized and needs a lot of work.

This whole passive earning strategy seems good on paper, but liquidity is the big issue here. All the best with your project.

Thanks for taking the time to review it. The similarity to Mines is only at the surface level. The core mechanic here is not a single-player click-to-survive game; it’s a competitive King-of-the-Hill structure where pattern recognition, counter-patterning, and meta adaptation determine how long you hold the throne.

The dynamics change completely because each challenge affects another player, not the house. Failed attempts feed the reward mechanism for the current champion, and the prize-pool model ensures economic continuity without relying on external liquidity. The ecosystem is essentially self-funding: player decision-making and challenge frequency define the payout curve.

Early adopters get to shape the emerging meta, which is where most of the novelty sits. Appreciate the feedback and the chance to clarify.

  • Guess wrong? Guardian pockets 90% of your entry fee (450 sats per failed challenge)
So, your platform takes 10% of every bet irrespective of win or lose? This means you as a casino are operating with a 10% house edge (this is more lethal than house edge as it is a guaranteed loss on every bet not theoretical Grin).
Tell me one reason why I should not play mines/tower on any other casino with only 1% house edge Is there any provably fair system on your platform?


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Misleading, please remove this.
Thanks for the thoughtful questions.

To clarify the economics: the platform’s actual house edge is 2.5%. The remaining 7.5% is not taken by the house — it is allocated directly into the prize-pool fund. The current champion receives recurring dividends from that pool based on time held, which means the effective benefit to players increases as challenge volume and pool size grow.

Regarding provable fairness: the system is fully provably fair. All patterns are committed via hashed seeds and can be independently verified. The verification page is here: https://satcipher.com/verify

Your point about wording is noted — I’ll adjust the phrasing so it reflects the actual risk profile without implying skill eliminates variance.

Appreciate the direct critique; it helps refine the explanation.
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November 28, 2025, 04:38:32 PM
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I checked out their site platform, but for me, it’s not that attractive to me. In my opinion, it’s not easy to win their games, and it seems to me that it’s just a matter of luck,
just my opinion though.

I really don’t know, I’m just not comfortable with those games. Maybe good luck to the others who will participate in their games. It’s not that I don’t understand their mechanics,
but I’m really not that confident. Sorry.

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November 28, 2025, 04:56:02 PM
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November 28, 2025, 05:10:55 PM
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I checked out their site platform, but for me, it’s not that attractive to me. In my opinion, it’s not easy to win their games, and it seems to me that it’s just a matter of luck,
just my opinion though.

I really don’t know, I’m just not comfortable with those games. Maybe good luck to the others who will participate in their games. It’s not that I don’t understand their mechanics,
but I’m really not that confident. Sorry.

However I checked out their platform but it just does not really pull me in the game feel pretty to win and seem mostly based on luck so i am not that confident about joining that just is how i feel through good luck to everyone who want to give it shot.
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November 28, 2025, 06:00:42 PM
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In deposit area, it has "💡 Entry fee: 1000 sats to play". I think that is wrong. I paid 500 sats 7 times to win and no 1000 sats.
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Nice UI. Like the concept. You should add alts to get more players.

Congratulations 🎉 you win the $25 giveaway bonus! I adjusted my account settings here and you should be able to dm me now! Let me know you're where to send your btc prize!
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I was wondering why your old thread was discontinued. Anyway, I wanted to try my luck and play using the 3000 sats from your last giveaway, but I already forgot my password and couldn't log back in Tongue. Is there any way to recover it? I can't see any other option in the login page besides creating a new account.


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I was wondering why your old thread was discontinued. Anyway, I wanted to try my luck and play using the 3000 sats from your last giveaway, but I already forgot my password and couldn't log back in Tongue. Is there any way to recover it? I can't see any other option in the login page besides creating a new account.

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Thanks for reaching out — and great question.

We took the previous version of the site offline intentionally. After the initial launch, we identified several structural bugs and scaling issues, so we decided to rebuild key parts of the platform rather than patch it piece-by-piece. The current version is significantly more robust, faster, and easier to maintain long-term.

Regarding your old account: since you no longer have the password and account recovery wasn’t implemented in the earlier build, the simplest solution is to create a new account. Once you do, just DM me your new username and I will manually credit you with the sats from the previous giveaway. I’m happy to honor it.

Appreciate you giving it another try — the relaunch should feel much smoother than the original version.
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Hi! Thank you  Cheesy

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User 'SatCipher.com' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. You should post in their relevant thread to remind them to enable this setting

Nice UI. Like the concept. You should add alts to get more players.

Congratulations 🎉 you win the $25 giveaway bonus! I adjusted my account settings here and you should be able to dm me now! Let me know you're where to send your btc prize!


I just sent! https://mempool.space/tx/f0dcb5f9c3f6007f5c844a58efc4e7b55551361754786a52fa5c81b55e979ed9?mode=details

When you get a free chance can you confirm on the main thread that you have been paid :-) ?

Thanks so much again for playing and I hope that you continue to win

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Hi! Thank you  Cheesy

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User 'SatCipher.com' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. You should post in their relevant thread to remind them to enable this setting

Nice UI. Like the concept. You should add alts to get more players.

Congratulations 🎉 you win the $25 giveaway bonus! I adjusted my account settings here and you should be able to dm me now! Let me know you're where to send your btc prize!


I just sent! https://mempool.space/tx/f0dcb5f9c3f6007f5c844a58efc4e7b55551361754786a52fa5c81b55e979ed9?mode=details

When you get a free chance can you confirm on the main thread that you have been paid :-) ?

Thanks so much again for playing and I hope that you continue to win

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Thanks so much and don't forget that as the current champion you still earning sats out of the prize pool as well as when other people challenge and fail to take your position as champion! So the earnings will keep rolling in :-)
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November 30, 2025, 08:56:11 AM
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To clarify the economics: the platform’s actual house edge is 2.5%.

So still it is 150% more and why would someone opt for it instead of playing at 1% house edge? I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.
Most sites which offer only one game are not doing well, players will play slots with much higher house edge but the experience factor is much greater there.
It is good that you have made it PvP, but still there is no skill involved thus it hardly matters.

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November 30, 2025, 11:23:38 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to review it. The similarity to Mines is only at the surface level. The core mechanic here is not a single-player click-to-survive game; it’s a competitive King-of-the-Hill structure where pattern recognition, counter-patterning, and meta adaptation determine how long you hold the throne.

The dynamics change completely because each challenge affects another player, not the house. Failed attempts feed the reward mechanism for the current champion, and the prize-pool model ensures economic continuity without relying on external liquidity. The ecosystem is essentially self-funding: player decision-making and challenge frequency define the payout curve.

Early adopters get to shape the emerging meta, which is where most of the novelty sits. Appreciate the feedback and the chance to clarify.
Liquidity will still be an issue here which is why I find this game unappealing primarily as of now. The whole early adopters part makes this sound like some sort of HYIP ponzi scheme even if that isn't really the case.

Your team needs to do something creative in order to try and boost the popularity of this game since sites like this one don't usually last long due to intense competition these days.

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November 30, 2025, 02:14:50 PM
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To clarify the economics: the platform’s actual house edge is 2.5%.

So still it is 150% more and why would someone opt for it instead of playing at 1% house edge? I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.
Most sites which offer only one game are not doing well, players will play slots with much higher house edge but the experience factor is much greater there.
It is good that you have made it PvP, but still there is no skill involved thus it hardly matters.


Thanks for the thoughtful pushback — it’s fair criticism.

You're right that the fee is higher than a typical dice or Mines house edge, but the structure works fundamentally differently. In most casino games, all losses flow to the house. Here, 90% of every failed challenge goes directly to the current Champion, not to the platform. The Champion is effectively the “house” during their reign, earning from every challenger across the entire site.

On top of that, the Champion receives hourly dividends from the growing prize pool, so earnings continue even when there are no active challengers. That combination — direct earnings from losses + guaranteed hourly payouts — is why the 2.5% platform fee exists. It keeps the system sustainable while pushing almost all value back to players.

That said, this style of game isn’t going to appeal to everyone. It’s a new model and sits in a very different category from traditional low-edge RNG games. The appeal is less about grinding tiny edges and more about competing for a high-value throne position.

Appreciate you taking the time to challenge the idea — the comparison helps clarify what makes the format different.

Thanks for taking the time to review it. The similarity to Mines is only at the surface level. The core mechanic here is not a single-player click-to-survive game; it’s a competitive King-of-the-Hill structure where pattern recognition, counter-patterning, and meta adaptation determine how long you hold the throne.

The dynamics change completely because each challenge affects another player, not the house. Failed attempts feed the reward mechanism for the current champion, and the prize-pool model ensures economic continuity without relying on external liquidity. The ecosystem is essentially self-funding: player decision-making and challenge frequency define the payout curve.

Early adopters get to shape the emerging meta, which is where most of the novelty sits. Appreciate the feedback and the chance to clarify.
Liquidity will still be an issue here which is why I find this game unappealing primarily as of now. The whole early adopters part makes this sound like some sort of HYIP ponzi scheme even if that isn't really the case.

Your team needs to do something creative in order to try and boost the popularity of this game since sites like this one don't usually last long due to intense competition these days.

Totally fair point — early liquidity is the hardest part of launching any PvP-style system.

That’s actually the main reason the prize pool exists. Even in low-activity periods, the Champion still earns hourly prize-pool dividends, meaning the throne generates income even without constant challenges. Once activity ramps up, the second earning stream — failed challenges — kicks in and compounds the effect.

So the Champion earns in two ways:

1. Failed challenges from all users (90% to the Champion)


2. Guaranteed hourly prize-pool payouts, regardless of challenge volume



This ensures the core loop keeps functioning even before the platform reaches scale.

All that said, you’re absolutely right that this type of game isn’t for everyone. It’s a new concept, it doesn’t behave like slots or dice, and it relies heavily on meta-driven player behavior. Some people will vibe with that; others won’t — and that’s fine.

I appreciate the candid feedback. The goal here isn’t to make it sound like a HYIP or a money machine; it’s just a different mathematical model that becomes more interesting with competition. We’ll continue experimenting with creative ways to grow the player base responsibly.
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November 30, 2025, 02:15:22 PM
Last edit: November 30, 2025, 02:39:33 PM by doggywin
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It is good that you have made it PvP, but still there is no skill involved thus it hardly matters.

It is skill based. They didn't mention it in the post. After a guess they tell you how many you got right. You can save moves from using the hints. If you get 0/3, all 3 tiles aren't it. These are hints from the website:

✅ 3/3 CORRECT

⚠️ 2/3 CORRECT

ℹ️ 1/3 CORRECT

❌ 0/3 CORRECT



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So still it is 150% more and why would someone opt for it instead of playing at 1% house edge? I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.

Because if my strategy is better I can earn more?


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I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.

I like this one though. It is just a few dollars but I keep checking if somebody has beat me. It is less like slots and more like poker. It needs more players to work.

Liquidity will still be an issue here

LOL The sum I spent is just $3.5 I can survive without $3.5  Tongue
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It is good that you have made it PvP, but still there is no skill involved thus it hardly matters.

It is skill based. They didn't mention it in the post. After a guess they tell you how many you got right. You can save moves from using the hints. If you get 0/3, all 3 tiles aren't it. These are hints from the website:

✅ 3/3 CORRECT

⚠️ 2/3 CORRECT

ℹ️ 1/3 CORRECT

❌ 0/3 CORRECT



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So still it is 150% more and why would someone opt for it instead of playing at 1% house edge? I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.

Because if my strategy is better I can earn more?


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I can see some novelty here but I do not think it is enough for players to switch.

I like this one though. It is just a few dollars but I keep checking if somebody has beat me. It is less like slots and more like poker. It needs more players to work.

Liquidity will still be an issue here

LOL The sum I spent is just $3.5 I can survive without $3.5  Tongue


Hello doggywin,
Thank you very much for jumping in and explaining the skill element! We really appreciate you taking the time to clarify that crucial part of the gameplay for other users.

You are absolutely right—the feedback loop is the core mechanic that turns this from pure RNG into a logic and deduction game, much like poker!

We recognize that the original post did not emphasize this enough, so based on your feedback and the discussion here, we have now updated the original thread post to be much clearer about the skill-based mechanics, the 4x4 grid size, and the two-part income structure for the Guardian.

Congratulations again on claiming the first Champion spot and the $25 bonus! Keep checking those taxes—we hope you enjoy the competition!
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November 30, 2025, 02:55:24 PM
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I appreciate that you are taking feedback seriously. One more thing I would like to suggest you (since you might not be familiar with this) to not use AI chatbots while replying to criticisms/suggestions here. Usage of AI chatbots is disrespectful to the thoughtful inputs of wise members here.  
I would like to keep it human to human, hope you will get this positively.

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