Title: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 05, 2014, 07:27:26 AM Spam is spam... you can't PM people too much or that is spam but you can ask your "customers" or make phony accounts to post day after day after day on the trust system. 99.99% of these trust ratings are lies and or attempts to further promote BFL products and the "contest" and has little or nothing to do with the stated purpose of the trust system and thus needs to be removed or sanctioned sooner than later our people will abuse it even more. This isn't about an abuse of the system against a single person but really it is to further promote a company using the trust system. If you allow companies to use the Trust system as a form or advertisement then I suspect you are going to see this proliferate. Seems like a cheap and easy way to promote a product and avoid paying for adds on the forum.
What is stopping me now from posting a positive trust rating on every member of this site with a link to my favourite product? Or say a warning to everyone not to buy BFL and link Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/) and this Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract (https://ia600702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.docket.html) or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617 JURY TRIAL REQUESTED (http://ia700702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.2.0.pdf) to where legal action has been taken against BFL? I don't suggest for a minute that everyone who hates BFL and the way they have treated this community enmasse post these links tied to BFL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44366) , Inaba (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198) or BFL_Josh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63314) or anyone of the people that are now spamming the trust but here is a list of their names below feel free to do what you want as there are no rules against it obviously. That would be a mess wouldn't it oh boy? And yes this is going to be a new thread in Meta to track each and everyone of these people so that the community is aware of what BFL is doing. It is interesting that even with 100s of customers they can only get a handful to take this deal and many I suspect are just puppet accounts they created here in Bitcointalk given that most are newbie accounts. Now I am doing this not for me I don't give a rats ass about the trust system, or my own reputation here in BTCtalk land as I am pretty certain anyone of merit understands who I am and what I have done and if they don't they will see how I will treat the community in the coming months and years. I do worry Dogie's rep and I think that BFL has certainly made an enemy out of someone that nearly all of us in the mining community recognize as upstanding and helpful. Here is my pledge that I will spend the required time to rectify that and make sure that anyone messing with his trust rating is sanctioned properly by the trust system. However the mods need to do more to protect people who are being helpful. It is beyond me why this forum would not stand up for someone like this and protect them against this sort of thing, but that is not in their job description. Spam is. This is spam. These are the spammers do something. This list will be updated as BFL adds more puppet accounts. Spammers as of 26/05/2014: BFL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44366) Inaba (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198) BFL_Josh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63314) dmelj (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=107699) Anonymailer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36173) Cassey (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=222321) criminalben (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65757) Pry4u (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176519) fsb4000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=42514) Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768) securo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39496) Flyeye (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165399) BTCJack (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=225623) stevenmicah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=127095) JoRoidx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143951) alphabetacanary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=160928) monsterblitz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26183) huj (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73301) Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) powersirj (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=122340) Northlander (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=122736) MelMan2002 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31023) elviselvis101 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=225383) DOGEDAMAN1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=204495) PhilWray (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=145877) smVh50fsb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215964) leopard2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=93463) Serjster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=102076) mkslim (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=107934) MelMan2002 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31023) NEWEST SPAMMER! Recanted Spammers Raw-H (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165088) hardhouseinc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=292478) NEW RECANTED SPAMMER I wouldn't ask people to simply cut and paste this into the trust ratings of those who are trying to spam the trust system as a protest to BFL and to show the mods that spam is really not what the trust system is for. Although technically this is well within the trust rating system to post warnings like this against people who are scammers. Then again it could be easily resolved if the moderators take up the stand that this is spam and put all these accounts on notice. Note that Martin Meissner was scammed for $62,000 USD approx 140 BTC at today's rates. BTC Market Rates (http://bitcoinity.org/markets) Most know that Martin's is not an isolated case but a good one to use to illustrate what BFL is really is all about. Quote BFL being sued for breach of contract. Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/) and this Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract (https://ia600702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.docket.html) or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617 JURY TRIAL REQUESTED (http://ia700702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.2.0.pdf) Do not http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/; https://ia600702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.docket.html; http://ia700702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.2.0.pdf Are we now allowing the trust system to be an advertorial sytem. At what point does it become spam. I would suggest it has passed that mark the day someone posted 2x on the same "trust" aspect ie in terms of the BFL "contest". At this point you can't say this isn't spam and it should be addressed. This isn't about whether the trust system or the default trust is working or not. We have moved into vandalism / spam / graffiti / advertisements and that is an issue that has to be addressed. BFL is more than attempting to game the trust system they are using it to promote their own products. If you do nothing then it is a green light for everyone to do the same. Good luck policing the system. I suggest a BAN on those doing this will right the ship quickly. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/spam_zps53d24363.png Join the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT Follow the Reference Link. (http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners) The Wood Law Firm LLC announced today that customers from across the country have joined together and filed a class-action lawsuit challenging the sales and advertising practices of Butterfly Labs. The lawsuit against BF Labs, Inc., which does business as Butterfly Labs seeks compensation for customers who pre-paid Butterfly Labs for Bitcoin mining equipment and who did not receive the equipment they paid for, or received the equipment far after Butterfly Labs represented the equipment would ship. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by "mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger. By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires purpose-built computer chips to be cost effective. The complaint, filed in the United State District Court for the District of Kansas located in Kansas City, seeks to recover the pre-payments made to Butterfly Labs and the losses customers sustained due to Butterfly Labs' conduct. The lawsuit alleges Butterfly Labs required customers to pre-pay for orders of ASIC based Bitcoin mining hardware, and used portions of customer pre-payments to make loans to shareholders and purchase a house and automobile for a shareholder. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases over time, by the time some consumers finally received their equipment, the equipment had become worthless because mining with the equipment was no longer cost effective. "Bitcoin is an exciting and promising new technology. Unfortunately this also makes it an attractive area for people running scams and frauds," stated attorney Noah Wood one of the lawyers for the customers. "Stopping the bad actors and staying vigilant against consumer fraud is absolutely necessary for the successful development of the Bitcoin ecosystem." According to the complaint, Butterfly Labs may have collected over $25 million in customer pre-payments. The lawsuit also alleges Butterfly Labs, despite telling customers that Butterfly Labs did not mine bitcoins itself, used equipment customers had already paid for to earn mining income for itself under the guise of "testing" such hardware. The complaint states this "testing" served "to enrich Defendant at the detriment of its customers by both denying the customers' use and benefit of the equipment they have already paid for, as well as increasing the overall mining difficulty required to generate future bitcoins." The case is Alexander et al. v. BF Labs, Inc., Case Number 2:14-CV-02159 (D. Kansas). The customers are represented by Noah Wood and Ari Rodopoulos. A copy of the lawsuit and further information is available from the Wood Law Firm, LLC at www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on April 05, 2014, 09:56:23 AM I suggest a BAN Bicknellski because he is bitching ;)
Do I understand correctly this topic is a topic of stupid suggestions ? Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 05, 2014, 01:15:02 PM fsb4000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=42514)
Trust: -1083: -8 / +3(3) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! I wonder why this guys trust is now -1083? Could it be he is trying to win vaporware from BFL? Don't let this guy and BFL sock puppets make a mockery of the hundreds of unfortunate BFL customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/) who is still looking to recover $62,000 since 2013 or William Lolli (http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954150/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Petition) , who won a judgement of over $13,000 but still can't collect because BFL refuses to pay. How can people promote BFL knowing full well the types of criminals they are? fsb4000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=42514) is just one of the many people that do need look more closely at the significant NEGATIVE FINANCIAL impact they are having on this community. This is no joke send the right message we don't want the trust system spammed. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on April 05, 2014, 01:29:39 PM Do not whine here. It is just a forum. If you really think that BFL_Josh is criminal, you must apply to a court. While Josh is not condemned, presumption of innocence is working.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 05, 2014, 01:33:52 PM It amazes me that fsb4000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=42514) is still posting and totally disregards the fact that actual people have lost money as a result of BFL. How can you defend BFL knowing in just two cases they owe 2 people almost nearly $80,000 USD or more with lawyers fees. Sickening. Don't let this guy make a joke of the BFL victims take a stand.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on April 05, 2014, 01:55:48 PM It amazes me that fsb4000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=42514) is still posting and totally disregards the fact that actual people have lost money as a result of BFL. How can you defend BFL knowing in just two cases they owe 2 people almost nearly $80,000 USD or more with lawyers fees. Sickening. Don't let this guy make a joke of the BFL victims take a stand. Is Josh imprisoned now? If not, all your statements about fraud is just FUD.Why do you think that your opinion is above the law? People who lost money just bad investors, they need to learn people with whom they will work and they should conclude correctly contract(for example with the terms about non-delivery in time ....) If they gave the money on any terms because they were greedy, they've only themselves to blame. The world is not black / white ... Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: theymos on April 05, 2014, 03:08:38 PM Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.)
I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 05, 2014, 05:01:56 PM Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.) I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default. Thank you for the honesty and we appreciate you and your team are working on this. Clear the "untrusted" section can be abused and used as a means to spam messages of any kind. Good luck I wish you the best on that but you are leaving the door open here if you do nothing to the people causing this problem. In the interim you might want to ban people engaged in propagating this clearly Inaba/BFL/BFL_Josh are the responsible accounts. Time to give them a holiday from the boards. The list of people doing this will be updated so feel free to monitor these accounts for spamming. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 06, 2014, 11:44:04 AM Spammers as of 06/04/2014:
huj (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73301) NEW! Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Tigggger on April 06, 2014, 12:38:43 PM Quote from: BFL_Josh Starting now and running until we start shipping the 28nm Monarch based products, So we have another 6 months of this spamming to look forward too :) Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.) Why not just disable/delete the cause IE Inaba's accounts ? Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: BadBear on April 06, 2014, 01:41:14 PM Why not just disable/delete the cause IE Inaba's accounts ? What makes you think that would stop anything? Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on April 06, 2014, 01:57:17 PM Spammers as of 07/04/2014:
Bicknellski (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76550) LittleD (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=144519) Xian01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58223) dogie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87869) dropt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49465) jimmothy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137510) tysat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17261) NEW! They copy - paste their trust feedbacks... If any actions will be taken against the accounts in the first message, than the same actions should be taken to these accounts. They do the same things. Although practice double standards is alive... This is sad :( Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Tigggger on April 06, 2014, 03:57:44 PM Why not just disable/delete the cause IE Inaba's accounts ? What makes you think that would stop anything? Because if you delete his accounts there is nothing to leave feedback against so of course it would stop it, people following Josh's links would get.... https://i.imgur.com/hw0JIGy.jpg Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: KWH on April 06, 2014, 04:04:19 PM Why not just disable/delete the cause IE Inaba's accounts ? What makes you think that would stop anything? Because if you delete his accounts there is nothing to leave feedback against so of course it would stop it, people following Josh's links would get.... https://i.imgur.com/hw0JIGy.jpg Doubtful. What would probably happen is a slew of new accounts created and the spamming doubled in retaliation. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: btcton on April 06, 2014, 04:22:24 PM If you are using trust correctly, this shouldn't even affect you. I believe even people with DefaultTrust are unaffected.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on April 06, 2014, 07:34:02 PM If you are using trust correctly, this shouldn't even affect you. I believe even people with DefaultTrust are unaffected. trueMy trust list(Trust depth=2): Inaba phantastisch Balthazar peterepeat Stunna Pivo dwdoc stahanovec IIpeBeD_MeDBeD And I'm green now :) I really hope that as a result of the contest more people will learn about "Trust settings" and they remove "DefaultTrust". Your trust list must contain only those people whom you personally trust! Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: KWH on April 06, 2014, 07:43:30 PM If you are using trust correctly, this shouldn't even affect you. I believe even people with DefaultTrust are unaffected. trueMy trust list(Trust depth=2): Inaba phantastisch Balthazar peterepeat Stunna Pivo dwdoc stahanovec IIpeBeD_MeDBeD And I'm green now :) I really hope that as a result of the contest more people will learn about "Trust settings" and they remove "DefaultTrust". Your trust list must contain only those people whom you personally trust! Without looking at Untrusted, you are red to me. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Xian01 on April 07, 2014, 03:31:43 AM If any actions will be taken against the accounts in the first message, than the same actions should be taken to these accounts. They do the same things. I'm no spammer, friend. I resent the implication. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2014, 04:39:08 AM If any actions will be taken against the accounts in the first message, than the same actions should be taken to these accounts. They do the same things. I'm no spammer, friend. I resent the implication. Here is the simple difference. 1 post on an ethical / trust concern vs what BFL shills and BFL multiple accounts repeating non-sense now 6 or more times. That is spam and that is not allowed there is no way anyone is violating someone else's trust day after day. BFL Scammed millions over a long period and that constituted individuals to post once against their trust not a day after day campaign. When people post a single negative comment regarding a single event or concern then that is fair use of the system. For example I posted that BFL are being sued in Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) trust as he is helping promote BFL to further defraud the community. I don't need to do this 2x or 3x or 4x. I do this once per spammer. Looks like BFL is only making 1 new multiple account per day now. New Spammer Today April 7th, 2014: Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) Code: BFL being sued for breach of contract. Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this Remember there are hundreds of unfortunate BFL customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/) who is still looking to recover $62,000 since 2013 or William Lolli (http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954150/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Petition) , who won a judgement of over $13,000 but still can't collect because BFL refuses to pay. How can people promote BFL knowing full well the types of criminals they are? Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) is just one of the many people that do need look more closely at the significant NEGATIVE FINANCIAL impact they are having on this community. This is no joke! People have been hurt financially and these misguided individuals and multiple BFL accounts are continuing to act without any ethics whatsoever. Give me all the negative trust you like BFL shills there are plenty of media reports out in full view that illustrate what many of have been saying for over a year. BFL is never going to shake their shady history but making contests like this. Rush of Business for Butterfly Labs (https://coinreport.net/butterfly-labs-civil-lawsuit/) Quote After selling FPGA miners from September 2011 to 2012, BFL started taking ASIC orders in June 2012. Due to the fact that ASIC was the next-generation machine, everyone wanted it a piece of it. The company was able to sell at least 7,600 orders that were worth $10.2million. However, a year later, many angry tweets and reddit threads formed because BFL was unable to deliver the machines. To this day, it is still a problem for many people. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2014, 05:27:25 PM powersirj (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=122340) NEW SPAMMER
6 spammed trusts ratings a day, 14 months without a Monarch, -2542 Trust rating for Inaba. 1 big smile on my face. PRICELESS. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on April 07, 2014, 05:56:14 PM Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: KWH on April 07, 2014, 07:44:21 PM While I don't see -2542 I also don't see +18.
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/keithh409/HardForum/inaba_zps9da500a4.jpg (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/keithh409/media/HardForum/inaba_zps9da500a4.jpg.html) Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: devthedev on April 07, 2014, 08:22:55 PM I see -2053: -18 / +8( 8 )
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: john641 on April 07, 2014, 09:03:45 PM I see Trust: -831: -9 / +5(5)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution! Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2014, 05:54:37 AM Northlander (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=122736) New Spammer!
6 spammed trusts ratings a day, 14 months without a Monarch, -2542 Trust rating for Inaba. 1 big smile on my face. PRICELESS. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2014, 05:58:11 AM Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. I think we are nearly at that point given the types of comments given. It is pretty easy to determine faux ratings both positive and negative. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: hilariousandco on April 08, 2014, 07:55:09 AM I see Trust: -831: -9 / +5(5) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! I think this is what everyone'll see who just has the default trust list, but people will see different ratings based on positive and negative trust they've left for other people who have left trust for Inaba. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: jambola2 on April 08, 2014, 11:31:56 AM I see Trust: -831: -9 / +5(5) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! I think this is what everyone'll see who just has the default trust list, but people will see different ratings based on positive and negative trust they've left for other people who have left trust for Inaba. OR if they don't have default trust anymore. Your rating is always considered as a trusted rating , so no two people get the same result , in most cases. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: jambola2 on April 08, 2014, 11:51:59 AM Also , this user has posted the topic from the BFL forums to here.... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=561031.0
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: hilariousandco on April 08, 2014, 05:40:57 PM I see Trust: -831: -9 / +5(5) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! I think this is what everyone'll see who just has the default trust list, but people will see different ratings based on positive and negative trust they've left for other people who have left trust for Inaba. OR if they don't have default trust anymore. Your rating is always considered as a trusted rating , so no two people get the same result , in most cases. I see Inaba's score the same as john641 as will most who haven't changed their trust or left some or much feedback. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 09, 2014, 12:35:39 AM 5 million reasons Inaba deserves his -3000 trust rating.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554572.msg6129444#msg6129444 Quote Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners Today at 01:27:18 Reply with quote #65 here is where it starts to get fun!!! http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf Class action lawsuit underway by a law firm so tenacious that in my opinion there will be nothing left after this is over. JOSH update your resume' BCP needs a new job!! My favourite part of the document is the claim that monies from pre-orders were used to buy Sonny his house, car and "loans" to shareholders. That smells familiar doesn't it? Code: 37. Defendant has utilized the funds from customer’s pre-payments for: Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 10, 2014, 05:40:01 AM MelMan2002 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31023) NEW SPAMMER!
Remember if you would like to help the fraud case against BFL you can go to the following website and provide information. http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners The daily trust spam continues. New Spammers will be added to the list. Here is hoping that the Mods do something to enforce their own rules. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: randomlove on April 10, 2014, 09:06:48 AM No one cares or listens! Are you finally getting it!
Theymos bans anyone josh/bfl etc etc want while you all moan (rightly so) about them spamming! You not realised nothing as been done for 2 years of people telling the truth about bfl and still nothing happens. Even when they are forced in a corner like they are now, they know there case against them will take another 12-24 months and the last joke is all going be on you lot. I can see josh and co having a right good laugh over all this as I am too. You see, when you know the truth its all a monopoly game and they know hownto play it, and you sheep think the system THEY made is there for you! Ha ha! Wake up sheep, government, police, military etc etc, there not here for YOU! There here to protect the 0.00001%! From the seed of life to the flower of life, everyone as lost there way and never mind the fruit of life. Your all lost spirits! All attracted to there deadly sins! Greed is the prolific one around here! And all over the btc community and the joke is, the protocol has the possibilities to rid societies of a monetary system completely and make a trust system, like we did before a few took control through centralisation! Givebme the power of a nations currency and j care not who makes the laws! ARE YOU GETTING IT YET! The emporior as no clothes you dumb fucks Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 10, 2014, 10:41:16 AM Removed the whine Edgar aka randomlove and the 10s of other needless accounts you made. Seriously just go away you racist ignorant slob. You have been ignored. What is important is people are reminded and warned off BFL the point of the matter is people can help NAIL BFL for fraud in court. Just look at my sig if you want to join in the party. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: newIndia on April 14, 2014, 09:44:26 AM It seems like all of u care about banning BFL people who tried to leave -ve trust on your account. But I have a clear instance of trust abuse here => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565488.0. But, interestingly none of u care to leave -ve trust on zackclark70 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121108) or kicking him out of the trust system. It seems the the motive of all of you so called trusted members are getting clear to me. You only want those who are trusted by u, irrespective of scammer or spammer, they should be loyal to u.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 14, 2014, 01:06:53 PM Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses. (http://http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners)
elviselvis101 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=225383) NEW SPAMMER! The new accounts are now slowing down I guess BFL is getting bored with making more and fewer and fewer submissions happening for the "contest". The little experiment is over I guess is that all you got BFL? Seriously is that it? A week of effort and you give up? It is no wonder that every product you have produced is a DAY LATE & DOLLAR SHORT. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: newIndia on April 14, 2014, 03:44:59 PM Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses. (http://http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners) elviselvis101 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=225383) NEW SPAMMER! The new accounts are now slowing down I guess BFL is getting bored with making more and fewer and fewer submissions happening for the "contest". The little experiment is over I guess is that all you got BFL? Seriously is that it? A week of effort and you give up? It is no wonder that every product you have produced is a DAY LATE & DOLLAR SHORT. Sorry... I did not get your point. The trust system is to counter BFL or it has any other significance ? Whenever we talk about Trust, why this anti-BFL army jumps in ? The topic I posted has nothing to do with BFL !!! Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: randomlove on April 14, 2014, 04:39:46 PM That's just bick, he's got a dick stuck up his ass and needs to tell everyone about it. He's right about bfl but what a douche bag he is himself!
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: randomlove on April 14, 2014, 04:54:47 PM Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses. (http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners) There are 5 million reasons why people should focus on what BFL is doing here to abuse the trust system as well as the FRAUD they have perpetrated. Told you Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Raw-H on April 14, 2014, 05:12:21 PM Hey,
I've undone my trust-ratings and renounced anything from bfl's competition. I've also questioned their contest here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/8203-win-butterfly-labs-imperial-monarch.html#post79136 and acted in good faith in Josh which I should not have done. Please undo your trust-feedback on me as well, as this may prohibit me from helping others. Kind regards, Herjan Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 14, 2014, 05:13:55 PM Thanks, removing my negatives and striking your name off the list.
Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses. (http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners) There are 5 million reasons why people should focus on what BFL is doing here to abuse the trust system as well as the FRAUD they have perpetrated. Millions of dollars has been lost to members of our community as a result of BFL malfeasance. Don't forget to get involved and report what has happened to you. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 22, 2014, 08:03:19 AM Latest New Spammer for BFL Trust System Fraud
DOGEDAMAN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=204495) NEW SPAMMER! you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order. Have you read the latest on BFL? (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/) http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1909426_10152763552008378_1066935545_o-640x436.jpg Quote Despite the testimony of Bourne and other witnesses, Judge Kays expressed clear reservations about BFL's business and Vleisides' involvement in a company taking so much cash up front. He ordered two supplementary years of supervision for Vleisides, along with a new set of conditions that include regular government access to his "person, his property, house, residence, office, vehicle, papers, computer, other electronic communication or data, storage devices or media, and effects." He said Vleisides must work with Pierce "to communicate, create transparencies. Any loan, especially $64,000 or whatever it is, is something she needs to know about before it's made, no matter [what]." The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations: Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with. Quote One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder, Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL. Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.) Code: Digging for answers: The “strong smell” of fraud from one Bitcoin miner maker Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 28, 2014, 10:27:52 AM PhilWray (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=145877) NEW SPAMMER!
Remember people you might want to report any instance of fraud from BFL and Sonny V. directly to his probation officer or the judge that presided over his probation hearing. U.S. Probation Officer Courtney N. Pierce Probation and Pretrial Services Office Charles Evan Whittaker Courthouse 400 East 9th Street Kansas City, MO 64106 David Gregory Kays, Chief District Judge Contact Information (http://www.mow.uscourts.gov/judges/kays.html) Quote The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/2/): Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 30, 2014, 04:34:38 AM Here is an example of Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768) defaming my character. I will be reposting his lies here and countering them in an effort to rehabilitate my reputation.
Quote 2014-03-30 0.00000000 Pathological liar. Cheats forum members repeatedly with false information over BFL, their employees and their products -all successful- while his business fails, has absolutely no technical knowledge, qualifies non working usb hubs as bfl product failures. Falsely rates people who are producing hardware and are an asset to the bitcoin community negative, and ridicules any forum member that confronts him on his lies. Too bad a lot of these types hang around on this forum, no orders but crying scam over legit companies, while they are never seen in the real scam topics. Where have I exhibited lying pathologically? No evidence. Where have I cheated forum members with posting false information about BFL? No evidence. Where has my "business" failed? No evidence. Where is there any evidence I have no technical knowledge? No evidence. Where have I claimed non-working USB hub as a BFL failure? No evidence. Where have I falsely rated anyone producing hardware? No evidence. Where have I ridiculed anyone? No evidence Where have I lied? No evidence. He is obviously not looking at the forum very carefully. I have complained about other fabricators not just BFL. Not factual. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 30, 2014, 04:36:46 AM Quote 2014-03-31 0.00000000 Too dumb to understand that spreading lies about other people will backfire some day, thanks to people like Bicknell this forum lost credibility as a whole. What lies have I spread? Credibility was lost the minute Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768) started abusing the trust system. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on April 30, 2014, 04:38:41 AM Quote 2014-04-01 0.00000000 Does not understand contest rules, Pavlov effect makes him post without thinking, completely wrong or just a bit stupid?. Hint "registration date, on what site?" Blinded by hate? All one has to understand is that BFL is buying trust and it backfired. The only person that seems to be attacking the person with hateful speech is Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768) You might want to look up the experiment of Pavlov and come up with a better metaphor it is clear what I am doing is a defense mechanism not a trained response. It is more akin to the fight response. When Inaba threatens to have me fired then slanders me in attempt to scare me off you are going to get exactly this response from me. I won't be backing down from the threats from you or your other accounts BFL. You have pushed the wrong person. I won't be taking you to court I will just be sure that in any instance I can report the failures of your company as documented by others. Sonny V. 2 more years probation. BFL 15 months developing the 28nm chip. Failures to pay off bets. Failures in delivering product. Using inferior quality PSU's that have nearly burned houses down. There is plenty more documented about BFL and when your company finally folds or your owners are sentenced to jail I will be glad to watch that in person as they lead them out of the courthouse. See you soon. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 03, 2014, 09:28:32 AM smVh50fsb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215964) NEW SPAMMER!
Quote smVh50fsb -6: -1 / +0(0) 2014-05-03 500.00000000 Bad lang reported The creativity here is lacking. Seems like the same person keeps making the same negative trust ratings and is finally running out of witty little barbs. Feel free to check the list of people abusing the trust system and give them what they deserve. Or if you want to help bury BFL at court report your story to Wood Law here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners Here is BFL's list of legal arguments. Let us see what everyone thinks: And when you try and get a refund then have to go to court for compensation these are the excuses this private company is going to use: (http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-29%20Answer.pdf) Code: Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint: Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 15, 2014, 07:58:40 AM leopard2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=93463) NEW SPAMMER!
Join the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT Follow the Reference Link. (http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners) The Wood Law Firm LLC announced today that customers from across the country have joined together and filed a class-action lawsuit challenging the sales and advertising practices of Butterfly Labs. The lawsuit against BF Labs, Inc., which does business as Butterfly Labs seeks compensation for customers who pre-paid Butterfly Labs for Bitcoin mining equipment and who did not receive the equipment they paid for, or received the equipment far after Butterfly Labs represented the equipment would ship. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by "mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger. By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires purpose-built computer chips to be cost effective. The complaint, filed in the United State District Court for the District of Kansas located in Kansas City, seeks to recover the pre-payments made to Butterfly Labs and the losses customers sustained due to Butterfly Labs' conduct. The lawsuit alleges Butterfly Labs required customers to pre-pay for orders of ASIC based Bitcoin mining hardware, and used portions of customer pre-payments to make loans to shareholders and purchase a house and automobile for a shareholder. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases over time, by the time some consumers finally received their equipment, the equipment had become worthless because mining with the equipment was no longer cost effective. "Bitcoin is an exciting and promising new technology. Unfortunately this also makes it an attractive area for people running scams and frauds," stated attorney Noah Wood one of the lawyers for the customers. "Stopping the bad actors and staying vigilant against consumer fraud is absolutely necessary for the successful development of the Bitcoin ecosystem." According to the complaint, Butterfly Labs may have collected over $25 million in customer pre-payments. The lawsuit also alleges Butterfly Labs, despite telling customers that Butterfly Labs did not mine bitcoins itself, used equipment customers had already paid for to earn mining income for itself under the guise of "testing" such hardware. The complaint states this "testing" served "to enrich Defendant at the detriment of its customers by both denying the customers' use and benefit of the equipment they have already paid for, as well as increasing the overall mining difficulty required to generate future bitcoins." The case is Alexander et al. v. BF Labs, Inc., Case Number 2:14-CV-02159 (D. Kansas). The customers are represented by Noah Wood and Ari Rodopoulos. A copy of the lawsuit and further information is available from the Wood Law Firm, LLC at www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 15, 2014, 01:24:01 PM http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/in-18-months-feds-got-nearly-300-complaints-about-bitcoin-miner-maker/
Code: The FTC complaints come from locales as diverse as Estonia, Argentina, Redding Ars has made the full spreadsheet—complete with redactions made by the FTC. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eBDuLTrfXjGPwtog_zEe5Jd_evs-kVHK_r6RI63JD4Y/edit#gid=1065339767) Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2014, 08:06:27 AM http://www.kmbc.com/news/Kansas-man-buys-Johnson-County-home-with-Bitcoins/26083128
Josh buys a home for 1000 BTC... wait doesn't Josh have bets he needs to pay off? Customers to refund? Class action lawsuits to defend? If you want to leave a COMMENT at the bottom under the video... feel free let everyone know what you think of Josh buying a 500K home with BTC. Update: 1 Less spammer. hardhouseinc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=292478) NEW RECANTED SPAMMER Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2014, 10:09:39 AM Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.) I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default. We have now reached that threshold Theymos. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 22, 2014, 06:20:24 AM Serjster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=102076) NEWEST SPAMMER!
Where did your BTC and FIAT go? Josh and Sonny both have homes thanks to your "donations" to help a homeless BFL executive fund otherwise known as pre-orders for BFL products. (http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners) Code: We are investigating the marketing and advertising practices of the company Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 26, 2014, 07:45:59 AM mkslim (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=107934) NEWEST SPAMMER!
What still not Monarch's in the wild? What gives? Countdown clock broken Joshie or are you too busy moving into the McMansion you bought? How Late is the Monarch? (http://games.webgamedesign.com/free/counter2-1.swf?title=Monarch%20Late&count=up&time=1387015200000&bgc=0x0077cc&bgb=1&bgd=0&bc=0xcccccc&bb=1&bd=0&tc=0xcccccc&tb=1&td=1&uc=0x99ccff&ub=1&ud=2&nc=0x333333&nb=1&nd=0) Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: zackclark70 on May 27, 2014, 11:37:15 AM It seems like all of u care about banning BFL people who tried to leave -ve trust on your account. But I have a clear instance of trust abuse here => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565488.0. But, interestingly none of u care to leave -ve trust on zackclark70 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121108) or kicking him out of the trust system. It seems the the motive of all of you so called trusted members are getting clear to me. You only want those who are trusted by u, irrespective of scammer or spammer, they should be loyal to u. The trust that I have given people is accurate what annoys me is the people that spam my account with negative trust that is not true one example of that is the ritzgrandcasino I gave the negative feedback as they are paying people to spam the forum ( that is my opinion of sig campaigns that pay per post and don't vet there users ) in return the ritzgrandcasino have given me a whole bunch of negative feedbacks saying that I am a scammer and that is completely untrue ! and to top it all off they keep threatening to take legal action against me for the feedback I gave them if I don't remove the negative feedback Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 27, 2014, 12:39:26 PM Wrong thread zackclark70.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: zackclark70 on May 27, 2014, 12:41:58 PM Wrong thread zackclark70. that post is quoted from this thread Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 27, 2014, 12:45:28 PM Wrong thread zackclark70. that post is quoted from this thread Still wrong thread. Talking about the BFL aholes still posting negative trust and positive trust as spam ads for their products. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: zolace on May 27, 2014, 10:15:35 PM I seen seniors members have abused the feedback system just putting feedback without no proof, there is member the first day I came gave me a negative just for asking for a 0.001 load which is garbage compared to scammers ask. since that time I had asked the member to please remove feedback and apologized and still to this day not resolved. Wish they can foucous on feedback abuse, or feedback should be for selling or ops who have casinos.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Anduck on May 27, 2014, 10:32:18 PM If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.' Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Pokokohua! on May 29, 2014, 08:25:54 PM If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?) It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.' Spam that promotes a company in the trust? Think you have take a closer look at this abuse. Spam of the trust according to Theymos is not allowed. So I guess I will defer to that, unfortunately, the work required to actually police it is the problem. Darin Bicknell aka King Fud? Still waiting on this, seems you just weasel out, as always?: "because you ignored it, who are those paid shills, names, numbers paid out, come on, man up, let's hear it." Come on clown, it's not a day out with the schoolkids calling it "a productive day, we went swimming and had a pick-nick," be a man and prove what you said. Or is this the normal way to go about in life, lying and faking your way through it? Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 30, 2014, 12:57:34 AM If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?) It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.' Spam that promotes a company in the trust? Think you have take a closer look at this abuse. Spam of the trust according to Theymos is not allowed. So I guess I will defer to that, unfortunately, the work required to actually police it is the problem. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: acs267 on May 30, 2014, 03:11:02 AM If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?) It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.' Oh? Really? What if somebody negative repped you, because you didn't buy their latest product? Or if they positive repped somebody because it was their alt account, or somebody from their company? Or says, "Positive rep my company, and I'll remove this neg rep"? Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: jeffersonairplane on May 30, 2014, 05:24:35 AM There are many people that spam the trust system which makes it next to useless. I've seen too many newbies and Jr with plus two-three trust.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on May 30, 2014, 05:40:32 AM So, how is that FCC certification coming along? Still two weeks? CE FCC ETL http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/download_zps692d3258.jpg There are absolutely ZERO certifications on these cards from BFL. They have not submitted them for testing at all. Buyer Beware! What they love to do is put the marks on protoboards and then never submit the final boards for testing. Same pattern as with the 65nm. If you are concerned about safety why not buy from SpondooliesTech they actually put out compliant miners unlike BFL. Emissions Compliance: FCC / CE and Safety Certification: CE (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp10-dawson-may-second-batch) All you have to do is look at the scoreboard BFL... you are done. Game Over. Pokokohua! needs help (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/8203-win-butterfly-labs-imperial-monarch-5.html) Code: 04-25-2014, 12:14 PM #46 LOL! Moron. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Pokokohua! on June 03, 2014, 09:50:14 PM Code: 04-25-2014, 12:14 PM #46 LOL! Moron. +1 -0 Yours, on the other hand, hahahahaha. You still don't get it, mister university pompous prick? LOL In the meantime you are shilling for Spoondolies discounts in other manufacturers threads, misusing the trust feedback system to blackmail others to make them remove posts negative to spoondolies hardware, how low can one go Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Farmer17 on June 04, 2014, 06:39:07 AM Code: 04-25-2014, 12:14 PM #46 LOL! Moron. +1 -0 Yours, on the other hand, hahahahaha. You still don't get it, mister university pompous prick? LOL ??? The trust I can see is: Pokokohua!: -8: -2 / +1(1) Bicknellski: 1: -0 / +2(2) Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Kluge on June 04, 2014, 06:50:18 AM If you don't like the Trust system, it's very easy to ignore. I did so many months ago after deciding it was 80% drama and 20% legit. Everyone's 0/0 to me except people I explicitly trust. If you're mixing drama and business, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 06, 2014, 10:00:03 AM If you don't like the Trust system, it's very easy to ignore. I did so many months ago after deciding it was 80% drama and 20% legit. Everyone's 0/0 to me except people I explicitly trust. If you're mixing drama and business, you're doing it wrong. I am ignoring it. The Mods are not enforcing their own rules that is the point of this thread and I will keep posting here as more BFL shills multiple accounts add to the list. I have my +31 and these jokers spamming the trust system all negatives system seems to work fine enough for some. It is blatantly obvious who is abusing the system with spam at this point. I don't care about the numbers I do care they are using it to spam how great BFL is if you do that in PM you certainly get banned. No difference here in the trust system. If you have done any biz with me you know the score. If you haven't then it doesn't really matter what the numbers are. The only trust system that is 100% foolproof is trust NO one. -1270: -5 / +1(1) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! Poko... is certainly increased his red number over the past week. If you are still looking to put Sonny V back in prison Orange... then read this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280630.msg7126990#msg7126990 Quote Friends if you can't take the following information and use it in an email to Butterfly labs to get an immediate refund then I really don't think you deserve a refund. I would give them 3 days to issue a refund and then you fax the ADA and Probation officer and you Email the Attorney for Butterfly Labs/Sonny Vleisides Here you go: Butterfly Labs Attorney for Sonny Vleisides Shazzie Naseem snaseem@berkowitzoliver.com snaseem@bowse-law.com District Attorney handling Vleisides Probation Kate Mahoney Asst District Attorney Western District Kansas City MO Fax # 816 426-4210 Regarding Cases: 4:11-cr00125-DGK 11-00125-01-CR-W-GK United States of America v. Sonny Vleisides Vleisides Probation officer Courtney Pierce US Probation Officer Kansas City MO Fax # 816-512-1313 Regarding Cases: 4:11-cr00125-DGK 11-00125-01-CR-W-GK United States of America v. Sonny Vleisides If this helps you get a refund, and you would like to show your appreciation please let me know. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 09, 2014, 03:05:19 AM Persistent Spammers
BEST SPAMMERS! NEVER MISS A DAY MelMan2002 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31023) Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768) criminalben (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65757) The numbers of people entering the contest on a daily basis is now 3. People who also seem to have an unnatural attachment to BFL and defend them even though they are 6 months late on the Monarch. Seem to be some interaction and cross over from Marto74 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84195) and Loshia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=60875) into the these accounts as well. Hmmm interesting indeed. Wonder why there are similar grammar errors and copy paste of Marto74 and Loshia's posts in the trust ratings left by Pokokohua? Are Marto74 / Loshia BFL stooges? They don't seem to comment on BFL ever I wonder why that is? Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: jeffersonairplane on June 11, 2014, 02:48:59 AM If you don't like the Trust system, it's very easy to ignore. I did so many months ago after deciding it was 80% drama and 20% legit. Everyone's 0/0 to me except people I explicitly trust. If you're mixing drama and business, you're doing it wrong. If people went to that, then we would never use escrows because people like escrow.ms would be 0/0 Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 12, 2014, 01:04:18 PM Persistent Spammers BEST SPAMMERS! NEVER MISS A DAY MelMan2002 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31023) Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768) criminalben (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65757) The numbers of people entering the contest on a daily basis is now 3. People who also seem to have an unnatural attachment to BFL and defend them even though they are 6 months late on the Monarch. Seem to be some interaction and cross over from Marto74 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84195) and Loshia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=60875) into the these accounts as well. Hmmm interesting indeed. Wonder why there are similar grammar errors and copy paste of Marto74 and Loshia's posts in the trust ratings left by Pokokohua? Are Marto74 / Loshia BFL stooges? They don't seem to comment on BFL ever I wonder why that is? Looks like were no down to just 2... Pokokohua and MelMan2002. Must be BFL accounts given the latest forum meltdown in BFL land where 2 days of posts went missing. Ooopsie. The crowd on the bow of that sinking ship is certainly much smaller now. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 15, 2014, 05:13:14 AM So the spammers are not realizing their mistakes and jumping ship. Nice how thank-you very much for playing you can't get a refund. Now the FTC and the people that manage Sonny V.'s probation might want to hear about it.
05-29-2014, 12:45 PM #58 (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8124-refund-upgrade-has-bfl-contacted-you-yet-6.html#post81714) criminalben I have two 600GH Monarch orders which I upgraded to Imperials, one from 23rd August and one from 3rd November. At the time it seemed like a good idea, but with the continued delays I've decided to request a refund. I'm still eligible right?, even though I elected to upgrade to the Imperials? 05-29-2014, 03:22 PM #60 (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8124-refund-upgrade-has-bfl-contacted-you-yet-6.html#post81734) criminalben Originally Posted by heldertb: Nope, once you opted for upgrade, they won't let you opt for refund, try and sell them in classifieds... I want to say something else but then my post will get deleted... They're refunding my 2nd order as I didn't use the 50% voucher that was given, but they say they can't refund the 1st order as I've used the 100% voucher that one got. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: KamyKira on June 15, 2014, 07:57:19 AM Do not whine here. It is just a forum. If you really think that BFL_Josh is criminal, you must apply to a court. While Josh is not condemned, presumption of innocence is working. I totally agree with both sides , as in this is a forum and people should discuss it , but whining is not going to help , instead think of decisions , or things you could do to prevent it. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 09:16:53 AM Oh the courts are working... and Sonny V. already got notice last probation hearing when he got a 2 year extension. The next hearing he goes back to jail. Let us see where Josh Zerlan finds himself. No doubt plea bargain his way out of any jail time.
Also note that FSB4000 stopped spamming the ratings... I guess he knows that the end of BFL is coming and there is no hope in hell of ever seeing a Monarch in the wild. BFL doesn't even think so... they are moving to promising hashing power. Go figure. What a fricking nightmare. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on June 16, 2014, 12:01:37 PM Oh the courts are working... and Sonny V. already got notice last probation hearing when he got a 2 year extension. The next hearing he goes back to jail. Let us see where Josh Zerlan finds himself. No doubt plea bargain his way out of any jail time. I stopped because 6 feedbacks enough to show that the trust system is not working.Also note that FSB4000 stopped spamming the ratings... I guess he knows that the end of BFL is coming and there is no hope in hell of ever seeing a Monarch in the wild. BFL doesn't even think so... they are moving to promising hashing power. Go figure. What a fricking nightmare. About Monarch: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_josh/393-monarch-update-11-june-2014-a.html This forum has much more serious scammers than BFL. You just dislike Josh and you do not care about other scams. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 12:40:57 PM Where are the monarchs buddy?
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on June 16, 2014, 01:45:01 PM Where are the monarchs buddy? Soon.Here video of a hashing Monarch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9zFPX-HtCs&feature=youtu.be Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 02:08:06 PM Keep dreaming.
Spammer. Code: fsb4000 Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: fsb4000 on June 16, 2014, 04:12:53 PM Shut up fag and liar Bicknellski.
Code: Bicknellski -17: -3 / +0(0) Code: Bicknellski -17: -3 / +0(0) 2014-04-05 140.00000000 BFL being sued for breach of contract... Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 05:34:00 PM Ethics lost on you buddy.
Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Rapturoso on July 25, 2014, 09:33:42 PM Spam deleteed. I've not been active for many months. It was wrong of me not to look into the so called competition. Do I really receive forgiveness? Do I get edited off the shitlist?
If any actions will be taken against the accounts in the first message, than the same actions should be taken to these accounts. They do the same things. I'm no spammer, friend. I resent the implication. Here is the simple difference. 1 post on an ethical / trust concern vs what BFL shills and BFL multiple accounts repeating non-sense now 6 or more times. That is spam and that is not allowed there is no way anyone is violating someone else's trust day after day. BFL Scammed millions over a long period and that constituted individuals to post once against their trust not a day after day campaign. When people post a single negative comment regarding a single event or concern then that is fair use of the system. For example I posted that BFL are being sued in Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) trust as he is helping promote BFL to further defraud the community. I don't need to do this 2x or 3x or 4x. I do this once per spammer. Looks like BFL is only making 1 new multiple account per day now. New Spammer Today April 7th, 2014: Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) Code: BFL being sued for breach of contract. Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this Remember there are hundreds of unfortunate BFL customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/) who is still looking to recover $62,000 since 2013 or William Lolli (http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954150/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Petition) , who won a judgement of over $13,000 but still can't collect because BFL refuses to pay. How can people promote BFL knowing full well the types of criminals they are? Rapturoso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=74965) is just one of the many people that do need look more closely at the significant NEGATIVE FINANCIAL impact they are having on this community. This is no joke! People have been hurt financially and these misguided individuals and multiple BFL accounts are continuing to act without any ethics whatsoever. Give me all the negative trust you like BFL shills there are plenty of media reports out in full view that illustrate what many of have been saying for over a year. BFL is never going to shake their shady history but making contests like this. Rush of Business for Butterfly Labs (https://coinreport.net/butterfly-labs-civil-lawsuit/) Quote After selling FPGA miners from September 2011 to 2012, BFL started taking ASIC orders in June 2012. Due to the fact that ASIC was the next-generation machine, everyone wanted it a piece of it. The company was able to sell at least 7,600 orders that were worth $10.2million. However, a year later, many angry tweets and reddit threads formed because BFL was unable to deliver the machines. To this day, it is still a problem for many people. Title: Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! Post by: Lassi on October 06, 2014, 08:55:42 AM It amazes me that fsb4000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=42514) is still posting and totally disregards the fact that actual people have lost money as a result of BFL. How can you defend BFL knowing in just two cases they owe 2 people almost nearly $80,000 USD or more with lawyers fees. Sickening. Don't let this guy make a joke of the BFL victims take a stand. Is Josh imprisoned now? If not, all your statements about fraud is just FUD.Why do you think that your opinion is above the law? People who lost money just bad investors, they need to learn people with whom they will work and they should conclude correctly contract(for example with the terms about non-delivery in time ....) If they gave the money on any terms because they were greedy, they've only themselves to blame. The world is not black / white ... Fraud? List of documents in the FTC case against BFL. (http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html) |