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My $.02.

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You use Windows 8? Weird... I recently heard a joke regarding it: Windows 8. Because there are only 8 people using it :D. Back on topic, It's not that bad that Windows XP support was cut. They've delayed the cut for so many times and Windows 7 is a pretty decent system to continue the Windows dynasty :D.

i think demand of XP is down in market after windows 7 thats why :(

windows 8 is a great OS, boots up double faster then win7, the only thing why people didn't like it that they removed the start button and inserted that squary shit, other then that it could of been the best windows around..

Backwards compatibility of games is terrible, tons of problems with games and since I'm a gamer, Windows 8 kind of inferior to Windows 7.

You can get rid of the Metro interface. One of my friends has it on his new computer and it doesn't look different to Windows 7.

Windows 8.1 actually brings back the start button!

Yep, I am using 8.1 and it's good.

windows ∞... because it take forever to load  ;D

1- While windows XP support is officially dead, I think 70% of ATMs and bank servers world wide still used it and they'll still get support they'll just have to pay for it

2- Windows Vista wasn't shit, people machines were shit, a Windows Vista Pack2 runs as well as a windows 7

3- I don't use windows 8 I've tried when it came out and it was an annoying experience, but MS seems to be getting it shit together right now, with the next 8.1 update 1 I might move to it and give it another try

Sadely MS dominance will not end anytime soon

Oh, God no, I don't use it on any of my stuff but recently helped a freind set up a new laptop with 8 on it.

Hate Window 8 with a passion now!

My $.02.

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Yeah, read about that and Ima try it on a box that I should update.

Thanks for the tip!

My $.02.

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Yeah, I have an Acer lap running Vista and it does things quite nicely!

My $.02.

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I really really like desktop Windows 8 after the last two updates. At work we have a few tablets with it: works like a charm!

Yeah, I suppose so if you have a touch screen.

My $.02.

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 ;D no, even on a desktop without touch screen I seem to be more productive than with the traditional start menu. Sometimes I do miss it and get sentimental though.

Once you go Linux you wont go back.

I did and I got back :) I'm really impressed with Linux though.

What other option they had other than bring it back..! Who ever took the final decision on getting rid of start button on win8 was not as wise as he/she thought ..!

Enjoy your viruses haha.

yeah Linux is way better then any other OS ..! but only if you like change and ready to adapt..! not many users will switch from their existing OS no matter how good it is..!
OFF Topic : You'll hit the 7777 Post very soon..! you are at 7772 currently so any special celebrations ?

The guy who took that decision isn't working for Microsoft anymore now, isn't he?

I think he still is in Microsoft..! but to answer more precisely it will require a lil research before claiming somthing.. and at this point of day i'm tired and not in mood of doin any research work..! so anyone who has a proper knowledge about the subject can answer ..! 

No, why would I? But feel free to send me some coins if you wish.

I hate Linux, but I have to use it at work... :(, at home I use windows.

What do you hate about it and prefer with Windows?

Sucks they didnt make a XPS version, that would have attracted way more consumers, but since windows xp Windows has been garbage and less friendly

It is harder to work with many files and folders open.

And maybe I have just used to Windows.

I believe Chaitanya Sareen (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chaitanya-sareen/0/639/985?_mSplash=1) (article (http://www.cnet.com/news/why-microsoft-murdered-the-start-button-in-windows-8/)) still works at Microsoft. I believe one of the managers behind Windows 8 left, I must be mistaken.

There is really not much justification for more MS OS'ms. Are there any essential things that Windows 7 and 8 contain, that XP does not?

Minor updates and bugfixes would be sufficient. Instead there are major releases which are bloated with graphical gimmick that just waste system resources but add nothing substantial.

Security/speed/latest standard compatibilities, XP is so popular because it is light and when vista came out vista had too much incompatibility issues and didn't like old machines thats why XP remained strong

No, it's because it's a really old operating system which support was meant to end many, many years ago, but they kept extending it due to the amount of people that still had it.

XP entire security model is broken.  Microsoft has tried to patch it as best they could but it is like adding suport to a house built on sand.   Windows 7 is vastly superior from a security standpoint.   There are whole classes of security vulnerabilities which affect XP only, 90%+ of botnet nodes are Windows XP machines.  Sure you could use a patch which completely rewrites the core processes of XP but you would essentially be creating Windows 7.  There is absolutely no reason to be using Windows XP at this point (or even four years ago).

If Windows 7 offered nothing else the inclusion of Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR), PatchGuard, UAC, and Protected Mode Internet Explorer make it inherently more secure than Windows XP can ever be.

RIP Windows XP I used it long time ago it was good os. Now I am using Win7. Too bad that a lot of devices, mainly 90% ATMs are still running on XP it could be bad...

Yeah, but it doesn't work like the start button.
Win8 is likely the only OS you have to purchase some shareware to make it work halfway useful again.

It's not surprising that the Win8 lead designer has been fired from MicroSoft.

Metro design looks like a 16 color CGA design for the visually impaired (reminds me of the Win95 basic design for handicapped users).
Even the 25 years old C64 GEOS or the Commodore AMIGA Workbench offered higher usability than Metro on a Desktop. Heck I'd rather sit in front of a 15 year old SGI Irix 6.5 Desktop on a 20 year old Indigo2 200MHz Unix workstation - at least that GUI actually works like a charm and still looks heaps & bounds better than this retarded Metro design error.

You think that is bad.  The server OS use the same interface.   Imagine no start menu on a server.

haha, so true! I would not describe it better myself. I will wait for windows 9 now because they probably fix most of the problems there.

Actually it does, he talking about 8.1 update 1

Ah, okay, so they re-patched their 8.1 Patch to 8.1.1 then... At least something.

btw, I'm not really against offering new GUI conventions (even if they break the old ones) - BUT they have to be optional.
Had MicroSoft offered to make a simple choice to use either Win2000 - XP - Aero - Metro GUI, they would have saved themselves from alot of trouble.
But it seems they preferred to go the Office Ribbons route "Fail to find even the most-used and basic functions!!".

On a positive note, all that re-introduced the users back to the Windows Keyboard shortcuts and the console ;)
(which are quicker in producing results than their failed Metro GUI or Ribbons UI any day)

Yes exactly, they are offering the option now to by pass the whole modern UI thingy (they don't call it metro as in windows phone and don't know why) Modern UI is good but not right now maybe when they'll be a strong appstore and most have a touch screen device but right now it's just a pain for those who doesn't have those

OK. Ima eatin' fried chicken and I get fried chickenshit all over my touchscsreen because MS demands that I do so?

LOL!

My $.02.

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lol! isn't better than getting it all over your keyboard and screen and stuff ? at least you can just wipe your screen, and in case you can't help your self you can get a Kinect like system to controll windows without touching the screen

Yeah but the idea of having to buy a fix for software that I've already paid for galls me.

My $.02.

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I need a new computer later this year.
Looking forward to Windows 8.  :)

Lol... That's funny. When I set up someone on a W8 box (heh - w8 box...), they couldn't figure out how to close a picture they opened. I couldn't, either, so that started the first of many lessons on keyboard shortcuts to use the damned thing for simple tasks. I eventually learned the GUI was on the right-hand side due to ???. There's no valid reason to do that -- it's unintuitive and that's not a perspective brought on by "resistance to change." Every time something's new and sucks, if you don't like it - you're just "resisting change," like you're the Obsolete Man in a world clearly too sophisticated for his worn presence.

I'm convinced MS produces a difficult-to-use, bloated-seeming OS so they can double-up on revenue by then selling the poor enthusiast a W7 license for when they inevitably want to downgrade. By the time W9 is pushed, they'll then buy the latest version since there own is clearly becoming out of date - behind by two releases! With an S3, I can skip the S4, but an S5? Fuck me - I don't want people thinking I'm the only guy in town with an outhouse! It's about as perfect a scheme as possible.

Unintuitive design has been pissing me off a good bit, lately, and I think touch screens are probably the pinnacle of bad design. They've been around for decades, but now, in 2015, I still mistype things on my cell phone which I never would on a keyboard and the audio recognition is still somehow so bad that has me asking my mom if she wants to mount dick when I say Mt Gox. Even the giant numbers in the "dial" window, I have trouble using. When I need to get into the MSL menu, if I mis-type it twice, it completely reboots the phone just to be an asshole. The damned thing's slow as molasses, too. Shortcuts? Good luck doodling them. -Then things suddenly freeze up for no discernible reason, so I'm totally sympathetic to resistance to change when almost every hardware and software designer on the planet gives you reason to be.  Let me tell you the perfect cell phone design: you use WiDi to project your screen onto a computer monitor, use WiFi to use a PC through VNC, then use BT to connect a keyboard and mouse. Perfect. Damn cell phones and punk-ass kids who practically force them on us... and 3D came and went AGAIN, but not before pushing increased costs on EVERYTHING for something which adds zero value... can't wait for the fifty years to pass so I can kick their asses "due to Alzheimer's".... >:(

I still have my Desktop computer running with XP and I haven't done any updates in years, it still work (and I don't keep anything there except few games I play and few books) but no personal data/camera/wallet/creditcard etc...

If you want to keep Windows XP, never use Internet Explorer, Messenger and Outlook (if possible un-install it). These are the applications being used by Microsoft in configuring your computer and operating system. These applications are also being used by hackers to get into your computers.

I'm using XP too..! without any updates from a while now.! It have used so many other OS , Win7 , win8 , Linux and few others..! and it still is one of my fav.

I am still using Windows XP in my Desktop, although I have W7 in my laptop. I find XP more simple and easier to use as compared to W7. And so far, I am yet to find a reason to favor W7 or W8 over XP!

Good idea, keep using XP but kicking out all other Microsoft products  ;D

i am using window 7 please tell me how can i make safe my computer form hacker

Windows XP is completely shit because it has a limit of RAM and physical processors.

But for simple tasks, such as browsing and watching movies, it is just perfect. I agree that if you are in to gaming and such, XP won't be of much use. (That is why I have two systems with me).

Well no. Browsing or downloading with Windows XP is the best way of getting tons of viruses, spywares, trojans & keyloggers.

Watching movie offline is fine.

Nice one :D
I`m not a fan of those...

well don`t...
Buy one with Windows 7,you wont regret it.Otherwise you will...

I am still using Windows XP is my favorite,but Windows seems to force people to use the news version   :(

Not really forcing you to. XP is ancient now, can't really expect them to support it forever.

They cannot continue support for a 12 y.o. OS. It makes perfect sense.

Though now I have to convince my grand-mother that she have to install a lightweight linux like Lubuntu (her machine is from 2005). But does not want to, since a 70-80 year old man she know will come next summer and install Windows 7. Good luck I say.

My first computer ran Windows 95. My second computer ran Windows 98 SE. I currently have a laptop that runs Windows 8, a netbook that runs Windows 7, and a netbook and laptop that runs Windows XP. I also used to own a Vista laptop as well. Out of all of these, I would have to say that XP is by far the best in terms of how well the interface is designed and how fast the whole thing runs. Stability-wise, it is a huge improvement over 9x although Windows 7 and 8 are probably superior security-wise.


Windows 95 wasn't that bad. It was probably one of the most innovative versions of Windows that Microsoft ever released.

And I agree 100% about the start menu thing.


I agree with this too.

I am already miss Windows XP - I have been using it for a long before Win 7! Will never download Win8!
Wish they'd do something similar to XP

I just can't wait for all of this system, ATMs and everything running on windowsxp for such a long time will need to change system and rewrite everything.

Actually, I wonder, since it would create some inconvenience in services for awhile, would some people decide to make transaction with different technology ... ;)

Oh, and last time I had to install a Win8.1 for someone's son (gaming machine hardware I assembled & setup from scratch), this is basically what happened :
(25+ years of experience in hardware/OS ranging from DOS/Windows to CPM, Linux and Unix software & hardware maintenance)

- Hardware assembly was no sweat
- Drivers were a tad more confusing but that I credit to the Board manufacturer (mixed unessential bloatware with required drivers, which I had to sort out manually as the Driver CD had no Driver auto-install)
- there I found out Win8.1 still had no clue where to look for missing Drivers on its own, that still only works with age old default hardware stuff

Functional tests : play HD Video
Worked good, Windows Media player launched in acceptable speed (nothing other OS'es or VLC wouldn't easily beat but well...).
Pressed ESC to get out of fullscreen mode - FAIL. Tried again and FAIL... WTF? That's an old convention valid since decades ??!? Oh well, pressed ALT+Enter to get out of fullscreen - FAIL. W...T....F???
Now I'm getting really interested. Manually stopped the movie playback using the Media Player's GUI - and I get back to some MicroSoft Movie store and empty video libraries... *ugh* WHAT ?! You kiddin' me ? I ain't got no stinkin' Microsoft account so bugger off!
Tried Windows Keys on Keyboard to get something useful to happen but FAIL. Pressed ALT+F4 - FAIL. At this time I'm seriously giving that computer and MicroSoft some very unkind words I'd rather not post here...

At the first time, to quit the fullscreen Media Player I ended up pressing STRG+ALT+DEL to manually launch the Task Manager and kill the Media Player process.

It wasn't until I googled the Metro "magic edges" to "leave" "Apps" (fuck this ain't no fu**ing smartphone *&#$#) just to find out they don't even close and keep running in the background if done that way. Very resource-friendly ending up with multiple unneeded background programs clinging to limited resources... Not too bright folks, not too bright.
Seriously ? What drugs did the dev team take when they made all these terrible decisions ?

Functional Tests : 3D Benchmarks
Those ran okay but I initially did not enable the function "create Desktop Icon" when installing (after all, who trashes their Desktop with Icons right ? That's what we got a Start menu for...).
Or so I tought....
Looking to launch the Bench from the Metro GUI, I found out I have to scroll down one "tile screen" just to get to "Programs". Nice, very useful *lol*.

But hey, on the main screen I can see tiles advertising NYSE Stock indexes, current weather for a city 300mi away, live travel suggestions (WTF?) - and food places recommendations.... Food places... On the main screen of the GUI - of a Desktop system. *ugh* At this time I was at a loss of words for that ridiciulous, complete and total mess.

I even tried to make out if the basic uni colors of these tiles had any importance or contained some form of visual sort.... just to find out - no, apparently a drunk guy randomly assigned those, so not even those basic color tiles give you any additional clue (despite taking the whole goddarn screen).

I did find "Programs" - just to see is was a completely hopeless mess with no chance of giving it any reasonable sorting. At least the freshly installed software was lit in a highlighted color. Too bad that included all Drivers/Motherboard tools as well, so not even that helped.
I always thought the new Aero Start menu - Programs was degraded (hence they had to include a "search" function for programs), but Metro clearly beat everything seen to date.
Technically, I was easier to go to MS-DOS 5.0 and find out what commands were availale to that OS. That actually was far quicker.

I originally did have the intention of doing a few more tests - but happily reconsidered, since performing even the most basic tasks with this POS OS was taking me near a choleric heart attack.

On the most positive note of that day - this experience hardened my decision into solid monocrystalline Duranium that Metro would never get anywhere near my Desktop system.
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In the end, everything worked as advertised. Had no complaints there...
BUT how it worked was a complete and utter disaster. I gave away the assembled machine with clear instructions that OS related problems were none of my responsibilities and refused to yield any support to that junkhole of an OS.

Its favorite client operating system for all, we are going to miss it

Oh... you don't have to worry if you are having a good anti-Virus software. I am having Kaspersky Internet Security 2014, which is compatible with Windows XP.  ;D (Requires SP3 though).

Even if this is true, security can't be a valid explanation for such massive wasting of system resources by later versions. Taking into account all odds I also doubt that Windows 7 is more secure. Who knows which (new) backdoors have been installed by three-letter organizations? It's also not always the best idea to have the newest version (see OpenSSL). Apart from that the probability of attack declines with lower market penetration, because there is less incentive to develop new malware for systems with few users.

So if I leave XP I'll go for Linux (a lightweight distribution).


Not relevant if you have an older computer. On older computers it's much faster than any of its successors. And apart from newest games you can use all applications. So there's a reason why many businesses haven't updated yet: There are costs but no tangible benefits.



This depends on your security settings, your behavior and the browser you are using. I'm using firefox with various security/privacy plugins with JavaScript deactivated by default.

Why you're not using win7? Is there any particular reason behind this or it's just a habit?

As I have stated earlier, I am using Win7 in my laptop and XP on my desktop. Some of my games and programs are only compatible with XP and I can't live without them.  ;D

Regarding games, there's usually a workaround to use them with Windows 7. Well, at least for all the old games I play.

I cannot believe that people really give a sh*t about gaming.

My $.02.

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Most of that is getting fixed with the next update, just search for 8.1 update 1, I had the same frustration as you and decided to move back to win7 but now 8.1 update seems to be more attractive

You mean they completely abandon :
- MicroSoft Account-pushing
- remove Metro entirely from the System
- remove App System entirely from the System
- revert to a 100% Vista/Win7 Desktop ?

That would mean some serious improvement, will keep an eye on that.

Haha.. yeah once you are indulged into gaming you'll give a shit..! They are building systems specially for gaming..! but personally I don't care much about it, as long as I can play chess on it.!

Why? Many of my friends are so much addicted to gaming that they are spending 12-14 hours per day in it. Even I was addicted to Age of Empires until 2008, and used to spend 10-12 hours everyday playing it.

Gaming is fun :p and really a stress buster  ...! but as the time passes by our priority changes ..!

Mumble my old comp in the basement had weak ram guess I will need to pirate a windows 7 basic version for it lol.

Well then, you'll find this unbelievable:
http://qz.com/195098/last-year-71-million-people-watched-other-people-play-video-games/

And no, that's not the amount of people PLAYING games; that's amount of people WATCHING other people playing games ;D

Well if there is only one controller haha but yah a lot of people watch DOTA and LOL

There's a huge online following for such videos. I recently read about a guy who posts his game-playing videos to YouTube; he's got thousands of followers and he makes millions in ad revenue.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/03/this-guy-makes-millions-playing-video-games-on-youtube/284402/

Yeah and my lack of interest in or awareness of gaming led to be ignoring bitcoin in the beginning.

I knew about Bitcoin but paid no attention because I thought it was only silly gaming shit.

Guess I learned differently, eh?

My $.02.

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Good luck with your grand-mother.And yes your right with windows xp support,is just my lazy ass keep me from updating my windows and buy a new laptop

I dont even understand what that means... and windows 8 not so bad.. if you are mentally challanged.. or not... maybe ?

Thank you! :)
Btw, you should switch to linux while you're at it! ;)

Sucks for the people that have to upgrade. Hope they can afford it.

Hey, windows 95 was awesome! I loved it and they pioneered the start button on that version

ME was a disaster just like Vista and 8

- MicroSoft Account-pushing                                    No
- remove Metro entirely from the System                    Can be bypassed also they fixed the stupid apps and are getting the close reduce... on top right again
- remove App System entirely from the System            No Nothing wrong with the app system as it a success in other platforms, it would be an issue if they force to only use the app store
- revert to a 100% Vista/Win7 Desktop ?                    It will have start button, and will look almost exactly as 7 with ergonomic improvement and especially system improvement (security/speed/standard compliance...)

I miss Windows XP, I still have a fresh sealed copy. Is it even safe to use it anymore? I wouldn't mind installing it on a spare PC.

One word: Linux ;)
As long as you don't connect it to the internet it should be fine to use! :D

Ahh I had this problem with XP the other day and couldn't figure out what was wrong with it, but when I tried to call support they told me they were now all dead.

Was the support team dead??? :o
I always knew Microsoft was evil, but this… Oh my...

A moment of silence for the Windows XP support team....

Good old XP , still one of the best OS from Microsoft followed by crappy vista and win 8

Xp was a bad bad bad os. But ... better than vista :-)

7 is the best windows os for sure.

Xp was good but was needed reinstalations every max  4 months ...

It is time to use Linux.  :)

I was told they were all shot at dawn one morning.


My $.02.

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Ok why dont we start our own windows XP support and hotfixes lol, then we can make money off there software, they probably wont like it

i don't use XP more but windows 7 experince is good for me  i love it  :-*

Bill Gates injected poison into their last meal at lunch, they didn't see it coming.... :(

Ahmm but if he injected poison and they died who's going to fix win 8.1 <.<

Indeed I am 100% sure Win 7 is best Windows ever.
And even!!! System repair help tools function works! 1st Windows in history where you click "Find solution to solve problem" of whatever it say and it indeed will find a solution :D

but this is not only one great feature of windows 7.

I am under Windows 7 right now - OS installed 2.5 years ago working great, I am cleaning it, sure, but I do not feel like I need to reinstall :)
It works same like it was 2.5 years ago >:D  ... BEST windows ever.

You had enough time to switch over to 7.
XP is useless.

I Work on Mac

But agreed that windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft ever released

There was no need for windows 8 really they should've just focused on updating windows 7

XP is 10 years old :)

I know, I grew up with it.

i used XP from 2003 to 2006  then moved tout vista

I used it for a half a year! Can't really say why people hated it so hard. It was working fine for me.

Brings back memories of playing Worms on my Windows 95 machine, I was addicted to that shit.

Yeah well ... :) I have memories when I was recording games from a radio ... and play them on my C-64 :D
hehehe

For real! :) There was hours in one of Polish radios, when they were "playing" games for you, and you could record this on a tape, and play a game on your "computer" (Commodore C-64) :)

Good old nineties ... :P

I loved Crystal Cave on my parents windows 95! :D
Those were the days...
http://image.dosgamesarchive.com/screenshots/crystalcaves1.gif
For real? You could actually record games of the radio? HAHA, "Fuck copyright, I'm going to send this game on radio"! :D
That is really cool! Did you need some special device or did you just need a radio that could record onto cassettes?

That game.. Hahha. The 1st game I think I played on windows 95 or 98 was 1st original starcraft.