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Title: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 12, 2014, 05:34:41 PM
They operate in the green glow of night vision in Southwest Asia and stalk through the jungles of South America.  They snatch men from their homes in the Maghreb and shoot it out with heavily armed militants in the Horn of Africa.  They feel the salty spray while skimming over the tops of waves from the turquoise Caribbean to the deep blue Pacific.  They conduct missions in the oppressive heat of Middle Eastern deserts and the deep freeze of Scandinavia.  All over the planet, the Obama administration is waging a secret war whose full extent has never been fully revealed — until now....
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/nick-turse/the-special-ops-surge
...
In his blueprint for the future, SOCOM 2020, Admiral McRaven has touted the globalization of U.S. special ops as a means to “project power, promote stability, and prevent conflict.”  Last year, SOCOM may have done just the opposite in 134 places.

The U.S.A. cannot afford to pay for this much longer, and we shouldn't be doing it in the first place, imo.
What do you think?



Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Spendulus on April 13, 2014, 02:13:39 AM
....
In his blueprint for the future, SOCOM 2020, Admiral McRaven has touted the globalization of U.S. special ops as a means to “project power, promote stability, and prevent conflict.”....
So....

THAT'S why they've been practicing on all us US Citizens!

No, wait.  That was the Johnny-Soldier wanna be guys, the fake tough guys on the swat teams that break down the doors and do druggie busts.

I think what he's actually talking about is some kind of mercenary mindset.  Maybe a country buys some fighter jets from us, they are our "friend", and we help their leaders out with some special-ops jobs on their enemies.

Maybe they could be sent out on missions from the UN against those nasty climate change deniers?

LOL...


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 03:08:18 AM
lol.. and they are accusing Russia of invading Ukraine. The US is a curse to the humanity... it is just like a cancer.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 03:43:15 AM
We are everywhere.
You are either with us or against us.  :o

http://dronewarsuk.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/predator-firing-missile4.jpg


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 04:28:44 AM
We are everywhere.
You are either with us or against us.  :o

I hope in the future a powerful rival to the US will use such drones to launch rockets targeting the American civilian population.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 04:32:09 AM
We are everywhere.
You are either with us or against us.  :o

I hope in the future a powerful rival to the US will use such drones to launch rockets targeting the American civilian population.

No thanks.
We seek peaceful solutions.  :)


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Wipeout2097 on April 13, 2014, 05:13:03 AM
We are everywhere.
You are either with us or against us.  :o

I hope in the future a powerful rival to the US will use such drones to launch rockets targeting the American civilian population.
WTF?

Well, otoh, there no need for a "powerful rival". I'm sure those Bundy ranch "patriots" that belong to militias, are at least being watched by drones


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 05:16:18 AM
Killing innocent people is never an acceptable option.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Nemo1024 on April 13, 2014, 10:35:32 AM
We are everywhere.
You are either with us or against us.  :o

I hope in the future a powerful rival to the US will use such drones to launch rockets targeting the American civilian population.

Bryant, I am disappointed with your answer.  I'll fix it for you:

I hope in the future a powerful rival to the US will use such drones to launch rockets targeting the American drones.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Elwar on April 13, 2014, 11:38:34 AM
We are everywhere.
You are either with us or against us.  :o

I hope in the future a powerful rival to the US will use such drones to launch rockets targeting the American civilian population.

I never understood that, even with 9/11. Why go after the US citizens? Why not hit the government who is responsible for it all?

Sure, the US citizens are stupid sheep that follow what the government says, but by targeting them you just allow the government to manipulate them into giving up even more power to their handlers. Thus you get things like drones and secret militaries because the government is "protecting us" from further attacks on citizens.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 11:57:43 AM
I never understood that, even with 9/11. Why go after the US citizens? Why not hit the government who is responsible for it all?

Because the US attacks their rival citizens, and not the rival governments. Take the case of Russia for example.

After US invaded Afghanistan in 2001, they legalized the production of Opium poppy in Central and South Afghanistan. Then they helped the smugglers in exporting the hash and heroin to Iran and Russia, so that the young generation in those countries become hooked to the drugs. Afghan drugs have killed millions of young Russians. In Iran also, hundreds of thousands of young people have died.

So, if I were the Russian president, and if my armed forces were as powerful as the American ones, I'll be definitely targeting the American civilian population. Tit for tat.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Wipeout2097 on April 13, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
I never understood that, even with 9/11. Why go after the US citizens? Why not hit the government who is responsible for it all?

Because the US attacks their rival citizens, and not the rival governments. Take the case of Russia for example.

After US invaded Afghanistan in 2001, they legalized the production of Opium poppy in Central and South Afghanistan. Then they helped the smugglers in exporting the hash and heroin to Iran and Russia, so that the young generation in those countries become hooked to the drugs. Afghan drugs have killed millions of young Russians. In Iran also, hundreds of thousands of young people have died.

So, if I were the Russian president, and if my armed forces were as powerful as the American ones, I'll be definitely targeting the American civilian population. Tit for tat.
I honestly don't like your rhetoric, but even being from an US vassal allied country, I see your point. Even in Western Europe countries  that lived with Soviet nukes pointed at their heads, the patience is running out.

Aren't US drone operators part of "we, the people"? When there was some poll asking if Iraq should be invaded, wasn't it "we the people" that voted yes?

At this stage, if SHTF in USA, I barely care.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Nemo1024 on April 13, 2014, 02:32:29 PM

...and mere seconds later an old granny in a corn field explodes into a zillion little red bits.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 02:55:23 PM
I honestly don't like your rhetoric, but even being from an US vassal allied country, I see your point. Even in Western Europe countries  that lived with Soviet nukes pointed at their heads, the patience is running out.

Most of the people in Western Europe can differentiate the truth from media propaganda. For example, check the public reaction to the recent Ukraine events.

Aren't US drone operators part of "we, the people"? When there was some poll asking if Iraq should be invaded, wasn't it "we the people" that voted yes?

Unfortunately, the American public seems to be easily brainwashed by the media propaganda. Iraq, Kosovo, Ukraine.etc are just a few examples.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Spendulus on April 13, 2014, 04:40:44 PM
I honestly don't like your rhetoric, but even being from an US vassal allied country, I see your point. Even in Western Europe countries  that lived with Soviet nukes pointed at their heads, the patience is running out.

Most of the people in Western Europe can differentiate the truth from media propaganda. For example, check the public reaction to the recent Ukraine events.

Aren't US drone operators part of "we, the people"? When there was some poll asking if Iraq should be invaded, wasn't it "we the people" that voted yes?

Unfortunately, the American public seems to be easily brainwashed by the media propaganda. Iraq, Kosovo, Ukraine.etc are just a few examples.
Most people in Europe seem to be easily brainwashed by the media propaganda.

Just look at how they lined up to see the Savior Obama in 2008.

Most of the people in the US can differentiate the truth from media propaganda.  Just look at their reaction to Savior Obama's rants about invading Syria.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
...
Most of the people in the US can differentiate the truth from media propaganda....

Most of the people in the USA are undereducated and believe the nightly news is real......sorry.
We need hope based on reality, and our starting point is not good.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Kiki112 on April 13, 2014, 05:57:36 PM
too expensive, USA can't afford spending so much money on the military anymore..

the question is how high price to put on peace? :D
but as this isn't really making peace, simply save money :D


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 05:59:46 PM
too expensive, USA can't afford spending so much money on the military anymore..

May be. The Iraq war cost them more than 1 trillion USD. That alone forms a significant part of the total national debt of the US ($ 17 trillion). Add the expenses from other wars (Kosovo, Syria, Afghanistan.etc), and we can see that war expenses account for a large part of the US national debt.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Nemo1024 on April 13, 2014, 10:12:22 PM
American UAV over Dnepr river in Dnepropetrovsk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxoqJUt0gw


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: TECSHARE on April 20, 2014, 12:14:17 PM
I never understood that, even with 9/11. Why go after the US citizens? Why not hit the government who is responsible for it all?

Because the US attacks their rival citizens, and not the rival governments. Take the case of Russia for example.

After US invaded Afghanistan in 2001, they legalized the production of Opium poppy in Central and South Afghanistan. Then they helped the smugglers in exporting the hash and heroin to Iran and Russia, so that the young generation in those countries become hooked to the drugs. Afghan drugs have killed millions of young Russians. In Iran also, hundreds of thousands of young people have died.

So, if I were the Russian president, and if my armed forces were as powerful as the American ones, I'll be definitely targeting the American civilian population. Tit for tat.
I honestly don't like your rhetoric, but even being from an US vassal allied country, I see your point. Even in Western Europe countries  that lived with Soviet nukes pointed at their heads, the patience is running out.

Aren't US drone operators part of "we, the people"? When there was some poll asking if Iraq should be invaded, wasn't it "we the people" that voted yes?

At this stage, if SHTF in USA, I barely care.
Thats funny, you think we still have a representative government. Why attack the perpetrators when you can attack civilians that they don't give a shit about? It is much easier, the US government has been doing it for years. Join their ranks and show them how wrong they are by emulating their behavior!


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 20, 2014, 01:09:31 PM
American UAV over Dnepr river in Dnepropetrovsk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxoqJUt0gw

Are the expenses included within the $5 billion package which was sanctioned by Nuland? It is getting more and more expensive for America to wage war on other nations, isn't it?  ;D


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 02:03:11 AM
A list can really help show how extreme the situation is:

List of United States special operations forces

Joint Special Operations Command
    Delta Force
    Intelligence Support Activity
    United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group
    24th Special Tactics Squadron
    US Army Flight Concepts Division[citation needed]
    427th Special Operations Squadron[citation needed]
    Joint Communications Unit[citation needed]

United States Army

    United States Army Special Operations Command (USASOC)[4][5]
        U.S. Army Special Forces Command[4][5]
            1st Special Forces Group[4][5]
            3rd Special Forces Group[4][5]
            5th Special Forces Group[4][5]
            7th Special Forces Group[4][5]
            10th Special Forces Group[4][5]
            19th Special Forces Group (National Guard)[4][5]
            20th Special Forces Group (National Guard)[4][5]
        75th Ranger Regiment[4][5]
            1st Ranger Battalion[4][5]
            2nd Ranger Battalion[4][5]
            3rd Ranger Battalion[4][5]
            Ranger Special Troops Battalion[5]
        US Army Special Operations Aviation Command (ARSOAC)[4][5]
            160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment "Night Stalkers"[4][5]
            Special Operations Aviation Training Battalion[4][5]
            Systems Integration Management Office (SIMO)[4][5]
            US Army Special Operations Command Flight Detachment[4][5]
        Military Information Support Operations Command[4][5]
            4th Military Information Support Group[4][5]
            8th Military Information Support Group[4][5]
        95th Civil Affairs Brigade[4][5]
            91st Civil Affairs Battalion[5]
            92nd Civil Affairs Battalion[5]
            96th Civil Affairs Battalion[5]
            97th Civil Affairs Battalion[5]
            98th Civil Affairs Battalion[5]
        528th Sustainment Brigade[4][5]
            Special Troops Battalion[5]
            Special Operations Medical Detachment[5]
            112th Special Operations Signal Battalion (Airborne)[5]
        John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School[5]
            1st Special Warfare Training Group (Airborne)[5]
            Special Warfare Education Group (Airborne)[5]
            Special Warefare Medical Group (Airborne)[5]

United States Navy

    Naval Special Warfare Command (NSWC)[4][5]
        Naval Special Warfare Group 1[4][5]
            SEAL Teams 1, 3, 5, 7[4][5]
            Logistics Support Unit 1[5]
            Naval Special Warfare Unit 1[5]
            Naval Special Warefare Unit 3[5]
        Naval Special Warfare Group 2[4][5]
            SEAL Teams 2, 4, 8, 10[4][5]
            Logistics Support Unit 2[5]
            Naval Special Warfare Group 2[5]
            Unit 2 Detachment South[5]
            Naval Special Warfare Unit 10[5]
        Naval Special Warfare Group 3[4][5]
            SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 1[4][5]
            Logistics Support Unit 3[5]
            SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 1 Detachment 1[5]
        Naval Special Warfare Group 4[4][5]
            Special Boat Teams 12[4][5]
            Special Boat Team 20[4][5]
            Special Boat Team 22[4][5]
            NAVSCIATTS[5]
        Naval Special Warfare Group 10[4][5]
            Support Activity 1[5]
            Support Activity 2[5]
            Mission Support Center[5]
        Naval Special Warfare Group 11[4][5]
            SEAL Teams 17, 18 (Reserves)[4][5]
        Naval Special Warfare Center[4][5]
            Basic Training Command[5]
            Advanced Training Command[5]
        United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group[4][5]

United States Air Force
For a larger and more in-depth organizational breakdown of AFSOC see Air Force Special Operations Command#Units

    Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC)[4][5]
        1st Special Operations Wing[4][5]
        24th Special Operations Wing[4][5]
        27th Special Operations Wing[4][5]
        193d Special Operations Wing (ANG)[4][5]
        919th Special Operations Wing (AFR)[4][5]
        352nd Special Operations Group[4][5]
        353rd Special Operations Group[4][5]
        USAF Special Operations Training Center[4][5]

United States Marine Corps

    United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command (MARSOC)[4][5]
        Marine Special Operations Regiment[4][5]
            1st Marine Special Operations Battalion[4][5]
            2d Marine Special Operations Battalion[4][5]
            3d Marine Special Operations Battalion[4][5]
        Marine Special Operations Support Group[4][5]
            Marine Special Operations Support Company[5]
            Marine Special Operations Intelligence Battalion[4][5]
        Marine Special Operations School[4][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_special_operations_forces

Your tax Dollars hard at work....all over the world.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 25, 2014, 03:19:13 AM
Talking about the American Special forces........

U.S. Special Ops Are Soldiers Committing Suicide in Record Numbers

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Although precise figures were not provided, it is well known that the U.S. military has been struggling with suicides for a long time. In 2012, the estimated 350 active duty servicemen and servicewomen across the American armed forces that committed suicide surpassed the number lost in combat.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: tuneman1980 on April 25, 2014, 03:24:59 AM
That article was rubbish.

I only have one thing to say...RLTW.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 03:29:10 AM
Talking about the American Special forces........

U.S. Special Ops Are Soldiers Committing Suicide in Record Numbers

Quote
Although precise figures were not provided, it is well known that the U.S. military has been struggling with suicides for a long time. In 2012, the estimated 350 active duty servicemen and servicewomen across the American armed forces that committed suicide surpassed the number lost in combat.

Video games help sell the "excitement"
http://www.gamersmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/dgn_call_of_duty_black_ops_new_screenshot_01.jpg
It's pretty scary what we "feed" the kids these days.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 03:33:32 AM
That article was rubbish.

I only have one thing to say...RLTW.

RLTW = Rangers Lead the Way
Your statement is so substantial, I hardly know where to begin.  :D



Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 25, 2014, 04:12:45 AM
Poland is the latest destination for America's secret war. 600 soldiers (including a few dozen special ops troops) shipped in 2-3 days ago. Officially, it is to counter the Russian moves in Ukraine.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: Nemo1024 on April 25, 2014, 12:04:52 PM
Poland is the latest destination for America's secret war. 600 soldiers (including a few dozen special ops troops) shipped in 2-3 days ago. Officially, it is to counter the Russian movies in Ukraine.

 ;D


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: tuneman1980 on April 25, 2014, 02:31:50 PM
That article was rubbish.

I only have one thing to say...RLTW.

RLTW = Rangers Lead the Way
Your statement is so substantial, I hardly know where to begin.  :D



Sorry.  I have first hand experience from 2002 - 2007 (Bco 3/75), but can't really comment on the recent years that the article covers. 


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 29, 2014, 06:17:45 PM
World Cup war: Blackwater providing training to Brazil security forces

http://rt.com/news/155576-blackwater-world-cup-training

Quote
The company formally known as Blackwater is helping provide security training in Brazil in the run up to the 2014 World Cup, stoking fears that the ‘pacification’ of the country’s slums is very much an Iraq-style military occupation. According to the daily Folha D. S. Paulo, Blackwater, renamed "Xe Services" in 2009 and "Academi" in 2011, has been instructing Brazilian security forces at one of its private training facilities in North Carolina.


Title: Re: The Special Ops Surge: America’s Secret War in 134 Countries
Post by: counter on April 30, 2014, 04:09:41 AM
Training the military to do wrong all over the world so they can come home and complete their final mission.