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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: the_poet on April 13, 2014, 03:49:35 PM



Title: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: the_poet on April 13, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
I've been noticing a strange thing for weeks now. If you open Google News and search for bitcoin, most of the articles are (very) positive: new Bitcoin ATMs showing up here and there, new people and organizations supporting Bitcoin, stories about people who became millionaire thanks to Bitcoin, etc. OK, there may be some negative articles, especially in the last week, but most of them are not.

Nonetheless Bitcoin is falling and doesn't seem to be wanting to stop.

Did you notice this as well?


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: roslinpl on April 13, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
I've been noticing a strange thing for weeks now. If you open Google News and search for bitcoin, most of the articles are (very) positive: new Bitcoin ATMs showing up here and there, new people and organizations supporting Bitcoin, stories about people who became millionaire thanks to Bitcoin, etc. OK, there may be some negative articles, especially in the last week, but most of them are not.

Nonetheless Bitcoin is falling and doesn't seem to be wanting to stop.

Did you notice this as well?

THERE were good news before and there will be many good news for bitcoin everyday! :)

Just bad news are usually more loud.

You can read a hundreds good news for bitcoin around google from few years - and it is every day.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: waldox on April 13, 2014, 03:59:22 PM
weak hands who do not totally believe in bitcoin's future and who are just day trading are selling

time to buy up for the next 5 to 10+ year horizon


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Alley on April 13, 2014, 04:03:17 PM
No new adopters.  No incentive for current users to buy more and spend em.  Need discounts for using btc since merchants are saving on CC fees.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: mably on April 13, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Miners are cashing in most of their mined BTC (3600~4000 every day) to pay their bills as difficulty increasing mining is getting more and more costly.

4000 BTC at 400$ each amount for about 1.6m$ every day.

You need a really strong buying support to get over that.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: btbrae on April 13, 2014, 04:22:34 PM
Could just be a gradual decline in interest caused by a lack of news. Not everybody that has had the Bitcoin experience have become die hard Bitcoin fans.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: byt411 on April 13, 2014, 04:27:19 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-declines-following-false-report-chinas-bitcoin-ban/
http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-remains-500-amid-china-uncertainty/
http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-central-bank-officials-discuss-bitcoin-new-rumors/
http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/
http://www.coindesk.com/deposit-freeze-chinese-exchanges-drives-bitcoin-price-below-400/

No, no bad news at all. I haven't even bothered to get all the links.
Try spending some time searching.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Tripjammer on April 13, 2014, 04:30:09 PM
Profit taking and the regular Sunday sell off in china.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: qwertyqwerty on April 13, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
heres an idea, don't focus on the latest trends and news but take some time and study historical charts for btc. i doubt we'll ever see below $400 again. appreciate the fact that you have the opportunity to buy damn cheap coins.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: the_poet on April 13, 2014, 04:31:51 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-declines-following-false-report-chinas-bitcoin-ban/
http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-remains-500-amid-china-uncertainty/
http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-central-bank-officials-discuss-bitcoin-new-rumors/
http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/
http://www.coindesk.com/deposit-freeze-chinese-exchanges-drives-bitcoin-price-below-400/

No, no bad news at all. I haven't even bothered to get all the links.
Try spending some time searching.

Dude, did you even bother to read my post? I'm not talking about Coindesk, I'm talking about Google News which is a WAY broader source of news. Not even comparable to Coindesk.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: TTM on April 13, 2014, 04:33:03 PM
heres an idea, don't focus on the latest trends and news but take some time and study historical charts for btc. i doubt we'll ever see below $400 again.
while you was typing these words, price crashed below 400.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: AngelSky on April 13, 2014, 04:33:34 PM
heres an idea, don't focus on the latest trends and news but take some time and study historical charts for btc. i doubt we'll ever see below $400 again. appreciate the fact that you have the opportunity to buy damn cheap coins.

Well, what can I say now :p


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Meuh6879 on April 13, 2014, 04:44:31 PM
Miners are cashing in most of their mined BTC (3600~4000 every day) to pay their bills as difficulty increasing mining is getting more and more costly.

4000 BTC at 400$ each amount for about 1.6m$ every day.

You need a really strong buying support to get over that.

i agree.

(miner farm)
http://www.threebluedots.gr/picts/Bitcoin_Mining_Farm_Logo.jpg


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: MykelSilver on April 13, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
This is the bust pattern of the boom-bust cycle of every bubble


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2014, 05:11:14 PM
Looking at BTC-E, there seems to be a lot of dumping in the past 4-5 hours. Before that happened, the prices were stable. The dumping decreased the exchange rate from $420 to $380.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: byt411 on April 13, 2014, 05:31:22 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-declines-following-false-report-chinas-bitcoin-ban/
http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-remains-500-amid-china-uncertainty/
http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-central-bank-officials-discuss-bitcoin-new-rumors/
http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/
http://www.coindesk.com/deposit-freeze-chinese-exchanges-drives-bitcoin-price-below-400/

No, no bad news at all. I haven't even bothered to get all the links.
Try spending some time searching.

Dude, did you even bother to read my post? I'm not talking about Coindesk, I'm talking about Google News which is a WAY broader source of news. Not even comparable to Coindesk.

Coindesk is the best source of crypto news for people interested in it, and thus, most people read what is there.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: the_poet on April 13, 2014, 06:00:13 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-declines-following-false-report-chinas-bitcoin-ban/
http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-remains-500-amid-china-uncertainty/
http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-central-bank-officials-discuss-bitcoin-new-rumors/
http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/
http://www.coindesk.com/deposit-freeze-chinese-exchanges-drives-bitcoin-price-below-400/

No, no bad news at all. I haven't even bothered to get all the links.
Try spending some time searching.

Dude, did you even bother to read my post? I'm not talking about Coindesk, I'm talking about Google News which is a WAY broader source of news. Not even comparable to Coindesk.

Coindesk is the best source of crypto news for people interested in it, and thus, most people read what is there.


The masses learn about what happens in the Bitcoin world on the mainstream media and websites. 99% of the general public doesn't even know Coindesk exists.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: igorr on April 13, 2014, 06:10:14 PM
I've been noticing a strange thing for weeks now. If you open Google News and search for bitcoin, most of the articles are (very) positive: new Bitcoin ATMs showing up here and there, new people and organizations supporting Bitcoin, stories about people who became millionaire thanks to Bitcoin, etc. OK, there may be some negative articles, especially in the last week, but most of them are not.

Nonetheless Bitcoin is falling and doesn't seem to be wanting to stop.

Did you notice this as well?

Do you read my lectures on their forum, 3 months ago you would know all.

Here are all my exposure:

My old threads with my analyzes, who recognized at the time, he is profited.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400001.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374935.msg4014576#msg4014576

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420005.msg4563711#msg4563711

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=419207.msg4553769#msg4553769

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467191.0


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: raid_n on April 13, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Miners are cashing in most of their mined BTC (3600~4000 every day) to pay their bills as difficulty increasing mining is getting more and more costly.

4000 BTC at 400$ each amount for about 1.6m$ every day.

You need a really strong buying support to get over that.

Is there any evidence that actually supports this ongoing claim?

It is totally illogical to sell your mined coins when difficulty is going up and value is dropping.
Especially when bitcoin has a low usd value you'd try to save as much as possible and only sell what you absolutely have to to come by.

Either you are mining because you believe bitcoin will be worth a lot more in which case you are doing the same as those that buy and hodl or you mine to sell for usd and in that case it might make sense to hold back some/all of your mined coins until the value rises again and you make better profits.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: bitcoinsrus on April 13, 2014, 06:16:56 PM
Miners are cashing in most of their mined BTC (3600~4000 every day) to pay their bills as difficulty increasing mining is getting more and more costly.

4000 BTC at 400$ each amount for about 1.6m$ every day.

You need a really strong buying support to get over that.

Is there any evidence that actually supports this ongoing claim?

It is totally illogical to sell your mined coins when difficulty is going up and value is dropping.
Especially when bitcoin has a low usd value you'd try to save as much as possible and only sell what you absolutely have to to come by.

Either you are mining because you believe bitcoin will be worth a lot more in which case you are doing the same as those that buy and hodl or you mine to sell for usd and in that case it might make sense to hold back some/all of your mined coins until the value rises again and you make better profits.


+1


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Nagle on April 13, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
I doubt we'll ever see below $400 again.
$405 right now on BTC-E.
...update
$401.7 right now on BTC-E.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: byt411 on April 13, 2014, 07:11:53 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-declines-following-false-report-chinas-bitcoin-ban/
http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-remains-500-amid-china-uncertainty/
http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-central-bank-officials-discuss-bitcoin-new-rumors/
http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/
http://www.coindesk.com/deposit-freeze-chinese-exchanges-drives-bitcoin-price-below-400/

No, no bad news at all. I haven't even bothered to get all the links.
Try spending some time searching.

Dude, did you even bother to read my post? I'm not talking about Coindesk, I'm talking about Google News which is a WAY broader source of news. Not even comparable to Coindesk.

Coindesk is the best source of crypto news for people interested in it, and thus, most people read what is there.


The masses learn about what happens in the Bitcoin world on the mainstream media and websites. 99% of the general public doesn't even know Coindesk exists.

The "general public" does not own any bitcoins, so therefore they cannot affect the price.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 07:16:43 PM
Looking at BTC-E, there seems to be a lot of dumping in the past 4-5 hours. Before that happened, the prices were stable. The dumping decreased the exchange rate from $420 to $380.

Normal pattern: Weekend slump + retesting the recent low.
It's already back up now.  :)
$412+ less than a 1/2 hour ago.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: igorr on April 13, 2014, 07:20:53 PM
Normal fall from 1240 to 400 usd ?


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Mister S on April 13, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
That's the thing about skiing Mt. Bitcoin (Not to be confused with MtGox). Once you take the fun ride to the bottom, you get to hit the triple diamond slopes again.

Ride it out. 1240 to 400 was to be expected with people taking enormous losses from Gox and the looming threats of regulation and taxation. Now the regulatory and legal issues are less frightening, more real, and less rumor. Mt.Gox is gone, and has left us with a much wiser, broader audience and user base.

I'm not going to speculate....

No. Really. I'm not.

But Bitcoin isn't at it's new stable price point. Far from it.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 13, 2014, 08:11:12 PM
Normal fall from 1240 to 400 usd ?

Yes, that is also normal for a speculative market.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: TERA on April 13, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
Why is there an attitude that every bitcoin price movement should have something to do with "news"? That is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: master-P on April 13, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
Why is there an attitude that every bitcoin price movement should have something to do with "news"? That is ridiculous.

Exactly. Plus there is bad news on Google too; 'miners facing substantial losses', 'bitcoin bound for guns and gold crowd', 'Bitcoin firms dumped by Australian National Bank', etc.


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: johnyj on April 14, 2014, 01:19:58 AM
Miners are cashing in most of their mined BTC (3600~4000 every day) to pay their bills as difficulty increasing mining is getting more and more costly.

4000 BTC at 400$ each amount for about 1.6m$ every day.

You need a really strong buying support to get over that.

If you sold the coin, you are realizing the loss, thus would never make it back. So the wise move is to stop the miner so that you don't need to pay the bills, and then buy the coins

Including previous holder's cash out, there should be several thousand BTC for sell every day, but 1.6m$ every day is really nothing if you comparing with FED printing 2.5b$ every day


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: jdun on April 14, 2014, 08:01:13 PM
Why is there an attitude that every bitcoin price movement should have something to do with "news"? That is ridiculous.

Exactly. Plus there is bad news on Google too; 'miners facing substantial losses', 'bitcoin bound for guns and gold crowd', 'Bitcoin firms dumped by Australian National Bank', etc.

Yeah there does seem to be a lot of negative news, yet the price does not seem to reflect most of this. Amazon says "no", but "Tigerdirect is now accepting bitcoin".


Title: Re: Negative news about Bitcoin is nowhere to be found, yet the price is falling
Post by: koshgel on April 14, 2014, 09:39:10 PM
All begins with one huge DUMP.