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Asking myself why the moderation of threads not really works?

eg?

What are you trying to say here? That the moderators are bad/biased? I feel that they're alright.

I'm pretty ok with a moderation that just removes blatant spam and does not take sides otherwise.
People have to learn how to spot scammers, so I don't think that mods should remove them.

Onkel Paul

IMHO, the mods are doing their jobs pretty well.


Care to elaborate a bit?

You don't even have a single report.

he can't defend the accusations against his business so he wants you to it for him.

please see this post and below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522623.msg6227485#msg6227485

my language has been slightly colourful on occasion but you will understand why if you read the above.

he has been posting in every thread i have posted in and trying to defame my character, posting snippets from other posts to make me look bad. he has no intention of being in these posts apart from to defame me. no joke, he specifically went through my post history to do this, and has specifically targeted me across the forum. if this sort of harassment isn't reason enough to be warned or banned i don't know what is.

every claim he is going to make he has done ten times worse. please be very careful believing what he says.

lol... I've only seen that done a couple of times

If you want to test the lameness of the moderators try to post any spam

I think that he's trying to say that self moderated threads are lame, right?

Moderation is...so-so. Bitcointalk has some very strong points with it's moderation policies but it also has some very weak points.

Care to bring some up?
I'm curious on what you have in mind exactly.

Well the most classic point which comes off the top of my head is that while the mod team doesn't do too much - which is good, they aren't clawing up your leg every 5 minutes - they in some cases don't do enough. mprep is a good example of someone who does a good job, getting rid of ref spam, etc, but scams are allowed to run wild in other sections when there could be measures simply put in place which would reduce the amount of scams significantly. I guess it's more of an administrative issue than a moderation issue, but it's still there.

They are pretty decent at removing spam I guess.

Would be good to see some autonomy and decision making for themselves but always have to get approval or permission from theymos which hinders smooth, efficient moderation

Absolutely they can!  One just needs to use the "Report to Moderator" link at the bottom right of each post when they see spam.

Non-coincidently, the number of reports you make is one metric Theymos uses to promote new moderators.  :)

Actually mods have a fair amount of autonomy on anything related to posts.  Though temp bans have to be run up the chain.

That shouldn't be necessary for temporary bans which aren't even that long.

It's more a limitation of SMF, not an arbitrary decision.

I asked mikemikemike stopping for trolling in our thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522623.msg6172302#msg6172302

He just continued

I asked mods to make something against posts in our threads which are offensive. So mikemikemike called my p.e. 'little piece of shit' over and over again. He said, 'will destroy your project and kill you'. I asked mods for removing or stopping mikemikemike to write in our thread, no answer.

Not acting on:


'you little piece of shit' (not just once but all over again in almost every post)


'will destroy your project and kill you' (its still in the petamine thread)


and summary:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577093.msg6299719#msg6299719

by not banning user is weird.


User is still offending us, just today, by offending other user to be bcmine.




The thing about his serious posts is that he is lieying all around. Pointing on him about, that he is lieying, he is editing his previous posts and saying that you are lieying. So there is no way of talking with him seriously, even he is saying he is serious about something.

I asked him 4 times friendly to stop posting in my thread, in a friendly way, over 4 days. He did not stopp. offensive language, barely arguments. he just want to knock you down.  offensive and personaly attacking all the time and saying i have to defense myself with argument. Such a discussion is not possible.


The only possibility we found was to go away from bitcointalk.org, because of public relations, which are more harming as helping us here. Anyway, decission was made. Fullstop about that.

Being offensive isn't against the rules.  

And dude, you're starting an IPO, you're going to have detractors, some won't be very nice about it. Reacting the way you are is just suspicious as hell. But yes leaving is probably your best option, you need to develop some thicker skin.

your a liar and a cheat. if you can write a link to the above where i wrote this i will leave the forum right now. but you can't, because your making it up. i would never threaten someones life over the internet. i did threaten to destroy your project and i did, but i only had to state the facts, and there is nothing wrong with that. it is an obvious fraud. i have said before all you have to do is verify your stock on cryptostocks and i will give you the benifit of the doubt, but you wont because then you will be accountable to your investors.

this shows exactly why i have issues with you. you trolled a thread non-stop and then setup a 'hedge fund' which is a clear fraud. i have called you out on it profusely and you have never once been able to come back with a reasonable response. now you attack my character instead of just answering simple accusations.

you've even started a new account to hide your previous behaviour.

I can see where darkstone2 is coming from with my choice of language, but you are the scum i make you out to be. i use that word carefully. i honestly hate people like you.

if i get banned then fine. its not like i dont travel the world doing this for a living. im leaving the UK in the next week or two and ill just create a new account with a new IP, And until then ill just use another network. i hope it doesn't come to that but if it does im not going to lose any sleep. i would be willing to make changes to how i speak to people on this forum but not you.

people like you are whats wrong with this forum, if it wasn't for you none of this would be happening. but you brought this on yourself by trying to destroy a legitimate project with FUD just so you could buy some cheaper shares. and then creating a project that is so obviously illegitimate its actually amusing.

Guilty as charged.

i stand by that. you don't threaten someones daughter and a witch-hunt is completely different from threatening someones life, you are manipulating what i am saying and taking it out of context, it just shows the lengths you both are going to to do this.

and Darkstone2, however much you want me banned, it will never take away from the fact your an idiot. You should know this just as well as i do.

im not responding to these posts anymore, i will happily speak to the mods about my behaviour but im not answering to either one of you.

you have no idea what you are doing and i've called you both out on it many of times. enjoy your life.

This is a thread about bitcointalk moderation, not a thread where you can take turns hurling insults at eachother.

This is one of the weak points of the moderation.
Yeah being offensive is not against the rules, but there needs to be a limit. Being a little offensive okay, but attacking one multiple times in a thread is definitely not okay.

And yes i am indeed complaining about your use of language. You say that:

Good. Facts of an obvious fraud. Here is the problem:

I have never seen you give any facts of any matter whatsoever.
If it really was an obvious scam, giving the facts should suffice.
You complain about attacking your character, yet seem to have no problems issuing personal attacks on your own. As seen by numerous occurrences of 'idiot' and 'troll' in your posts.

There is a limit. Personal attacks would fall under off topic, the offensive part isn't the problem.

Being offensive toward a mod is though?

No.

I'm pretty sure if you posted an entire post along the lines of "I'm going to find your family and murder them" with a lot more f bombs etc. that the moderation team wouldn't sit there and do nothing about it. To be honest businesses, ventures, IPOs, etc. are going to be insulted. The moderation team has problems, but that isn't one.

It is. It is almost impossible to discuss anything in the securities forum because of the constant insults being thrown around.

Yet MPOE-PR was banned more of less because he/she insulted one mod..

So if I start being offensive toward you (not going to happen), I wouldn't get banned?

Yes.

I dunno I think the moderation on here is pretty damned spot-on. I love that the mods are all over your case every 20 seconds like on some forums and they allow adult discussions, topics, language, etc. Frankly I think they try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't need or want the mods to be fighting everyone's battles for them.

What's up with that?

You can find it here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.msg6027033#msg6027033

Okay thank you for presenting me with the right post(s). The case of MPOE-PR was different, and I do agree that the ban was deserved.
How long did he/she get banned?

No, not at all, MPOE-PR was banned for receiving a formal warning to stop spamming, and then insulting Maged in response. You don't get banned for insulting mods, just like how mods are allowed to insult members. Its a two way thing. You can however get banned for disregarding a warning.

Inaba yells and insults everyone, but they are also yelling and insulting him. You can get banned for excessive personal attacks, however in Inaba's case people attack him and he attacks them back. I'd call that an argument.

I don't think enough people are aware of the Ignore feature, to be honest - that is one solution to these problems.

MPOE received a warning for spamming? I can certainly understand the response he gave then. MPOE was many things, but a spammer is not one of them. MPOE's average post contained more substance than 99% of posts on the forum here.
I'd call that a good argument to ban both of them for turning this forum into hell. You're driving away all experienced users with that attitude.

The ignore feature solves no problems at all. If i start spreading a load of lies and bullshit designed to defame Obama and Obama chooses to ignore that, it's reputation is still damaged. If i start spreading a load of crap in BCmine's topic and BCmine chooses to hit the ignore button, it still has effect on the reputation of its business.

No problem.

You can find that in the title of that thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.0).
Time to have a cup of coffee?  :D

Oh how did I miss that. Sorry, too much night work over the weekend.

because they are egocentric,vengeful, and only care about themselves

Stop raging around the forums because of your well deserved ban. It will not get it lifted.

I know since the beginning it won't get lifted, they will ban this account too

Then what is the point of posting again?
You're wasting your own and, what is more important, their time.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but if someone gets banned and then creates another account to post about how they got banned, does that account not get banned as well? Is it just the loss (temporary, assuming it's not a perm-ban) of member status and associated privileges that is the punishment?

You get warned that you're ban evading. If you continue posting on another account while you're supposed to be banned (after the warning), that account gets banned as well. This could possibly result in your ban being extended.

you haven't read my last replies in the thread I started..

To be honest, you sound like an immature person with an authority problem. There's a difference between standing up to an actual injustice as opposed to just being obnoxious and having a "no-one-can-tell-ME-what-to-do" attitude.

This forum is free for you to use, all you have to do is follow the rules that the owners have established...