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BRAND NEW POOL 0% FEE PROPORTIONAL PAYMENT SYSTEM
There are no transaction fees or hidden costs.  What ever you mine, you keep.

*I am offering a 10 btc bonus to who ever jumps on my pool and finds our first block..*


This pool uses a 0% Fee proportional pool.
While the pool has 0% fees we do encourage some donations to help keep the pool up and running.  A 1.0% donation would be greatly appreciated. You are free to change this to any value (including 0%) in the account details.  My favorite miners give 1.5% or more.


This pool is hosted at http://www.A1BITCOINPOOL.com/.  

Connect at A1BITCOINPOOL.com port 8999.

We don't keep anything.  That's why donations will help keep the pool running.  
A1BITCOINPOOL.com - Donations: 1DodyyJvT5z6ztwFS16w5j3ZBKfTFgxBNE

If there are any features that you would like to suggest please email me at A1BITCOINPOOL@GMAIL.COM.  Thanks and happy mining.

Good job mate, nice to see more Prop pools.  Will jump on later :)

Thanks. 

Why do people keep creating proportional pools?  Nobody but pool hoppers are going to mine on a proportional pool, unless they are stupid or completely ignorant.  You are basically telling your miners that you like to have them ripped off by creating a proportional pool.

Why are you OK with having your miners ripped off from their profits?  I'm not trying to be harsh, but it's getting kind of tiring seeing people throw up an open source pool with absolutely no regard for their users and absolutely no knowledge of what their actions entail as far as consequences to the users.  Nobody is going to mine on your pool as it's configured and it is not going to be sustainable.  Your pool is a failure from day one if you open a proportional pool.

If you get miners on your pool, the majority of them are going to leave when you're at ~43% of the first block.

It's in your best interest to try and persuade people not to mine here because you currently run your own pool.  People can make their own choice on were to mine they don't need you to tell them were to go.  Plus you don't see me going on your board and talking bad about your pool.  So if you don't like my pool then stay on your own. 

I will stay on my own.  But I, and most other pool ops, feel that we have a responsibility to the users to prevent them from getting ripped off by known issues.

Proportional is known to be fatally flawed and a complete ripoff for anyone mining there.  You have not disclosed this fact to any of your users, so there was a need to make it clear that anyone mining on this pool is getting ripped off by pool hoppers, to the tune of 20 - 30% of the profits.

Just because he owns/runs a pool doesn't make him wrong.  

Proportional pools are idiotic.  They are a wealth transfer mechanism from stupid miners to hoppers.  We saw the mining community go from 100% proportional based pools to mostly fair hop-proof algorithms in a years time.   Now when pool hopping is just almost dead (due to lack of viable hop targets) the latest "craze" seems to be noob created prop pools.

trolling, trolling, trolling...

gotta love pool ops that tell other people what they should or should not do....

A1BITCOINPOOL, I'll point 1 or 2 rigs your way and see how it goes...

Thanks, just best to ignore the trolls.

When you are knowingly stealing from or allowing others to steal from your users, yes, you're right, other people are going to call you on it and let everyone know you're running a scam.

I am trying to tell you why your pool is going to fail.  If you don't want to listen, that is your problem.  Until you switch your pool type to a non-hoppable variety, your pool will never succeed.  Hell, I may point some of my rigs your way until ~40% of the block... might as well, it's free money.

I'll be jumping over tonight A1, just got to get this pesky work day over with first :(

The door is open Inaba, if you want to send it over.  If not please stop complaining. 

Good luck with your pool, man.  I tried to help you out, but you're just too hard headed to understand why it's so full of fail. :(

Here's my prediction:

1. You will switch the payout mechanism to a fair mechanism, you'll probably consider doing this midround because nobody is mining on your pool.  You will then piss off anyone who's mined your pool prior to the change, further damaging the credibility of the pool.  You might wait until the round is over, if you get lucky on a block.  This would be your best case scenario and might allow your pool to survive ... so you're betting the further existence of your pool purely on luck.

or

2. In a week or two, you will complain and wonder why no one is mining on your pool. You will then give up and move on to something else.  When/if this prediction is the right one, just think back to what I've said.

What denial of service attack?  WTF are you talking about?  I pointed 10 GH/s at your pool, are you telling me it cant' even handle that?

Oh heh, you're pool is down.  Why the hell would I start to mine on your pool... then DOS it?  That doesn't even make sense.

I suspect you had some botnets and/or the hopping proxies jump to your pool.  That will pretty much bring any shared hosting pool down.

Your wrong my pool is still up and have 90 gigs running on it.  Maybe somethings wrong with your computers.  Check again.

Hmm, well I can't connect to it, so dunno what to tell you.  Did you ban my IP or something?  Guess my 10 GH/s really isn't welcome here :(  

*EDIT* Ah yeah, you did ban my IP address.  That's pretty funny.  "Hey, you're welcome to mine here!"  Oops, no you're not!

Are you going to pay me for the shares I've already submitted, or are you going to just "appropriate" those?

Happy mining everyone,  Just to clarify if I hit the first block the 10 btc offer still stands for someone else to win it.  

Not sure why you cant connect Inaba,  but you will get paid like everyone else. 

nice, throwing some hashes your way. Do you have an api for pool stats or something like that ?

You 2 guys are hilarious:


"you're"


"your".

I do advise http://youreyour.com (http://youreyour.com) and http://youryoure.com/ (http://youryoure.com/) to both of you, and thank you for the laughs. :)

Yeah, I don't usually mess that up.  Was heading out the door and typing fast.  

Guess A1Bitcoinpool op is gonna rip me off, seeing as he hasn't responded to my query about paying me for the shares I already submitted. Way to start a pool there!  Rip off your miners!

TNTMining part 2! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54970.0 

I did respond,  if you look directly under the post that you made,  then you will see what I wrote.  I guess your looking for anyway to ruin my pool.  What a loser. 

hey chill down man, i'm sure he will pay all the miners when the pool finds a block

Lol you just edited your post :)  Still have a copy in another browser window.

http://communityhosting.net/ih/images/a1editehe.png

As for "not sure why I can't connect" that's surprising, as you are dropping the packets at your box:

From one of my mining IPs:

Tracing route to a1bitcoinpool.com [24.14.210.199]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  deadcat.pixelrover.com [XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX]
  2     9 ms     8 ms     5 ms  XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
  3    16 ms     9 ms    12 ms  CPE-65-28-18-110.kc.res.rr.com [65.28.18.110]
  4    30 ms    26 ms    27 ms  CPE-69-76-62-253.kc.res.rr.com [69.76.62.253]
  5    42 ms    30 ms    28 ms  ae-4-0.cr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.100]
  6    41 ms    53 ms    49 ms  ae-0-0.pr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.153]
  7    40 ms    37 ms    38 ms  te-1-14-0-0-pe01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [75.149.230.201]
  8    82 ms    70 ms    46 ms  pos-2-1-0-0-cr01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.37]
  9    37 ms    50 ms    67 ms  pos-0-12-0-0-ar01.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net [68.86.90.54]
 10    33 ms    44 ms    30 ms  te-3-3-ur04.romeoville.il.chicago.comcast.net [68.86.187.170]
 11    53 ms    43 ms    49 ms  68.86.118.254
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13     *     ^C

From a different IP:

traceroute to a1bitcoinpool.com (24.14.210.199), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  69.30.224.129 (69.30.224.129)  99.790 ms  99.774 ms  99.763 ms
 2  69.30.209.125 (69.30.209.125)  99.789 ms  99.780 ms  99.770 ms
 3  te0-3-0-4.mpd22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.104.86.1)  99.714 ms  99.706 ms  99.691 ms
 4  te0-0-0-5.ccr22.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.157)  99.678 ms te0-4-0-5.ccr22.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.46.214)  99.670 ms te0-0-0-0.mpd21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.149)  99.629 ms
 5  te0-4-0-2.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.46.202)  99.630 ms te4-3.ccr02.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.54)  199.734 ms te0-1-0-1.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.169)  99.585 ms
 6  te2-1.mpd01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.46)  199.648 ms  199.753 ms te2-8.mpd01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.38)  199.744 ms
 7  be-10-204-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (75.149.230.149)  99.803 ms be-10-304-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (173.167.56.165)  99.799 ms  99.784 ms
 8  pos-2-4-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.87.217)  99.689 ms  99.701 ms  99.686 ms
 9  pos-2-8-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.217)  99.730 ms  99.715 ms  99.697 ms
10  pos-0-8-0-0-cr01.chicago.il.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.87.221)  99.721 ms  99.705 ms  99.700 ms
11  pos-0-12-0-0-ar01.elmhurst.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.86.94.106)  99.883 ms  99.875 ms  99.884 ms
12  te-3-1-ur03.romeoville.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.86.187.158)  99.878 ms  99.872 ms  99.862 ms
13  68.86.118.254 (68.86.118.254)  99.844 ms  99.890 ms  99.804 ms
14  c-24-14-210-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net (24.14.210.199)  99.822 ms  99.838 ms  99.821 ms

Funny how it stops at at your box... almost as if you blocked the IP.  Dude, seriously... stop lying. :)  That's two lies, now in one post.  Once about you "answering me" and once about blocking my IP.  Just man up and admit it.  Not to mention lying about me "ddos'ing" you... wasn't aware connecting some of my miners was considered a ddos.


How is he going to pay if I can't login and request a pay out?

Don't worry if you can't login I will send you the payment manually.  I don't know whats wrong with your setup over there. 

Lol

You know, it's funny you posted this...I had a bad feeling that these "two" were actually all the same.  Nearly an exact copy/paste and they both have similar shitty typing styles/aggression.  So I did some digging...

Summary - A1BITCOINPOOL
Date Registered:    January 10, 2012, 04:19:30 PM

Summary - mu50stang
Last Active:    January 11, 2012, 08:48:19 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52523.msg632039#msg632039

http://who.godaddy.com/whoisverify.aspx?domain=tntmining.com&prog_id=godaddy
Registrant:
Sam T
9344 VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORTIL, Illinois 60423
United States

Tracing route to a1bitcoinpool.com [24.14.210.199]
...
c-24-14-210-199.hsd1.il.comcast.net (24.14.210.199)

http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=24.14.210.199
Country code:    US (USA)
Region:    Illinois
City:    Frankfort

Kinda funky huh ?

Sheesh, pretty friendly community this isn't it.

Yeah, I didn't really want to make that connection, but since it's out in the open, I suspected it was the same person as well, especially after coming across this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58744.msg692200#msg692200

Neither the TNT pool op nor this one seem to know the first thing about running a pool or even running basic web based software.  Also using the same, odd port as TNTmining and the first post is basically a cut-n-paste of TNT mining.   If it's not the same person, I will be shocked.  Hey... maybe since he's restarted TNTmining as "A1Bitcoinpool" he'll credit all the users that submitted shares previously that he owes them.  Hadn't thought of that.

I feel let down.  I read that entire travesty of a thread and I still don't know what the fuck N was for the pool.

N was set to "N"finity, apparently. :)

If you don't like my pool stay out of my thread.  Its easy as that.  This is the last response I am giving you. 

OP is almost certainly a scam artist. Inaba blew the whistle. I reported to moderator. Nothing to see here, move along.

Not even close to a scam artist.

Just some noob(s) who can't run a pool.

If he is a reincarnation of Mu50tang
I can vouch that he did pay me to "test ?" his pool, some shares were missing but overall he paid more than PPS.

He is welcome to try get experience creating his pool as long as he stay honest and pay what is due on time.

Time will tell what happen beyond the first block...

Interesting - there are a bunch of Prop pools around of course ...

I guess Inaba and Meni need to go attack all the other prop threads and report them to mods for whatever reason, I still can't work out what exactly it is, from reading this rather short thread.

Seriously you two, you do just make yourself look like idiots to anyone who reads this thread.

That's actually not a bad idea, but no, I only report people who:
1. Start a proportional pool
2. Spam the pool everywhere with "proportional, all hoppers should come here" as a selling point
3. Switch to a different payout system mid-round without any prior notice
4. Close the pool shortly after creation
5. Start a new pool under a new username, without any reference to the previous pool
6. Lie about what they wrote (eg the edit of message #20 in this thread)

If anyone has reading comprehension difficulties it's their problem, just don't say we didn't warn you when this pools shuts down mysteriously.


Even if we take Hanlon's razor to the extreme and assume the OP is just clueless, pools like this are an insult to people who work hard on making viable pools.

cold truth is that casual miner with a few cards, can't maintain 99,9% uptime for whatever reason and all "fair" methods are a double-f**k for him

Myth. There's no need to maintain high uptime with hopping-proof methods.

But I guess kano is right. As much as I care about people not getting ripped off by bad methods (and I do), it's not really my business to try to set straight every myth I encounter about proportional or score pools. The information is all out there, those who want to reach an informed decision can do so, the rest can do whatever they want.

But all I see (and I'm sure most others do also) reading this thread is you 2 bitching about there being a new prop pool coz it doesn't use DGM.

Yeah those other reasons (3-6) may be valid, but certainly 1 and 2 on your list make no sense at all.

Again, read this thread from the start and it seems like a "let's be whiny anti-prop bitches" session.

At least cover items 3 to 6 in your post with details and point out that's the reason you're being drama queens, not the rest of the shit that Inaba has posted whining about it being a prop pool.

I didn't give a list of reasons, I gave a timeline, 1 and 2 are a part of the timeline without which the rest doesn't make sense. #3 wouldn't have been that bad if he hadn't made a point of it being proportional in #2 etc.

Inaba did cover all of the OP's transgressions, why would I need to repeat them? I simply agreed with his analysis and reported.

Don't get me wrong, Inaba was completely in the right directing some of his criticism at the mere starting of a proportional pool. There's absolutely no justification to start a proportional pool these days. They are known to be broken. Starting a prop pools means you don't care that your users will be ripped off some 20% of their earnings and that you're counting on their ignorance to mine for you.

I don't personally expose every prop pool that pops out, mostly because I'm weary of fighting people like you who come to defend the prop pool and accuse whistleblowers who actually care about people of having some agenda. You make it seem like I pulled DGM out of my ass and then went out to proselytize it by deciding that hopping-proof methods are good, when obviously the correct causality is that I saw the need for a hopping-proof method and then went to develop DGM to answer this need. (Of course it doesn't need to be DGM, PPLNS is also ok).

Seriously, I do mean 2 makes no sense at all.
You got a link to where he said that?
I'm curious to see that stupidity :)

I think some of it was at the tnt website which is down, but for example you have this which was posted on the HTH blog thread (meaning he was targeting hoppers specifically):
(Quote header is a link)

There's also this (by cablepair who helped mu50stang setting up):

+1

Nonsense.  How casual you are has no effect on average payout.  Even IF your believed PPLNS and SMPSS somehow hurt casual miners (which they don't)...

Please explain the logic on how you think a casual (variable) miner "loses" with PPS.

You get paid same amount for every share and get credit as the share is submitted.  So how exactly could a "casual" miner fucked by it?

Kano, here you go:


and


Two threads, two pools, one op in less than a month.  Both threads, op responds to criticism  with first hostility then cluelessness then silence.  Then in the second threads takes to habitual lying to cover his ass.


Can you please point out where I advocated him switching to DGM?  I'm curious, because I seem to have no recollection of this.

Thanks :)
Yeh I saw that with Meni's link.

Read the whole first page of this thread - it's basically you complaining about someone else starting a prop pool.
Over and over and over and over and over.

If your first post (or EVEN ANY POST on the first page) was about the correlation between this pool and another pool that may be a scam, then there may have been some use to your posts.
But there wasn't.
It really was a page full of you spouting shit coz you don't like the fact that prop allows hopping.
His reply to your first post should have ended that.

So to repeat

Yeah you didn't say "DGM" but the point of that was coz that's what your pool uses - and you are telling someone else how they should run their pool.

Perhaps because DGM is actually a fair method? Proportional pools cater only to hoppers, and anyone else mining at one is essentially defrauded of their share because of that.
If you must resort to hopping to pay the bills, perhaps you shouldn't be mining. If it is just greed, then props to the bigger poolops switching away from proportional, so that regular users can get their fair share without going to a huge established  monopolistic pool.

DISCLAIMER: I do not mine at EMC.

While I think Inaba may need to back off a -little- bit [IE:  Start a separate thread instead of starting the fight in a pool announcement thread], I can't help but laugh at this.  Thanks for starting my day off with a healthy dose of drama and comedy.

Anybody mining here is advised to check out the history of TNTMining, since it is OBVIOUS that this pool is the same person.  I would certainly recommend all future scam artists take the time to change the following when they run off with coins and start a new pool:

1) Change the format of your first post
2) Either use a standard mining port or at least not the same non-standard one
3) Use a proxy registration for your domain
4) Change more than 2 of the sentences between your two pool postings
5) Mask your scam by using a more fair model (Maybe SMPPS while hiding blocks?) to draw less attention

All these tips and more can be yours for the price of 5 BTC with your purchase of Bitcoin Scamming for Dummies!  What are you waiting for, buy this book so YOU can be the next MyBitcoin.com!
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EDIT:  Sorry if my sarcasm went through the roof, been dealing with an ISP/network administration staff that has no understanding of Bitcoin and has been threatening to drop one of my IPs due to the resurgence of botnets after the latest price increases.

Just thinking outloud but why don't botnets (looking to mine not DDOS) simply use a proxy.  Point clusters of their bots at a proxy.  Point the proxy at the pool.  Nobody would even know they are bots.  The pool-proxy communication would look like a single large multi GH miner.  If they used multiple proxies on multiple hosts it would provide even more camouflage and anti-botnet protection. 

How about you guys start your own thread and you could go debate about bot nets, pool hopping, DGM all you want.  This is not the thread for it.

Nah - you lose coz they have shown (in one post on the 2nd page if you ignore most of it) that you're stupid :)
If your pool is still running, I'm sure it will die soon enough :P
Meanwhile the rest of the discussion is still interesting :D

Actually, they don't do it because the botnets that have hit us in the past will crash any proxy you point them at.  A small botnet can proxy connections, and they do.  Those are the ones I can easily ban [they have HORRIBLE efficiency].  Big botnets simply can't be handled by a single server, or even a small cluster.  As I stated back in July and again in November, there are at least two MASSIVE botnets out there working with bitcoins, and one of them had more than a million different IP addresses logged in a 24 hour period.

The real problem is that there are a lot of "security groups" out there that are clueless.  I've had IPs blacklisted in the past, and the reason given was "Botnet C&C Server".  IE:  They assume that because a botnet connects to one of my IPs, I must be in some way controlling them, even though the only reason they're connecting is to attempt to mine.

I would've thought by now that these groups and/or ISPs would at least know enough about Bitcoin to know the difference between a botnet controller and a pool server, but obviously that difference eludes their techs who aren't used to dealing with anything outside of general apache/linux configuration.

Off those 1 million bot, what % do you think mine with a GPU ?

Impossible to tell really, they funnel in through a handful of workers.  Given the overall speeds, not a high percentage, maybe none (they may just use a CPU miner to ensure compatibility).

This thread is closed and moved to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60012.msg698199#msg698199.  We had to close this thread due to many off topic items being discussed.