Title: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 07:30:04 PM A unit of 10-6 BTC is a great idea, but bit is already WIDELY used to measure information.
I propose to call 0.000001 BTC (1/1000000 BTC=10-6 BTC=µBTC) a uni, which is short of Unit, pronounced (you-ni). Advantages-not used; Uni is similar to unit and sounds vaguely similar, but different, to/from both yen (Japanese) and yuan (Chinese). Edit: removed comments. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: CoinRocka on May 04, 2014, 07:33:58 PM I need to pay for my "uni" at the dry cleaners with "uni"?
Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: franky1 on May 04, 2014, 07:39:45 PM just idea's gathered by other thread topics
μbtc (topdown measurement from bitcoin) hectosat (bottomup measurement from satoshi) bit - popular gav (honouring gavin A for 3 years of programming bitcoin just like sat honours the inventor) alp (honouring alpaca socks, the first legit business to accept bitcoin) Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 07:40:46 PM I need to pay for my "uni" at the dry cleaners with "uni"? don't wear uni if i got your meaning right. You can pay for your uni education eventually with a few thou uni, though ;) I realise that some cases would not fit, but you cannot hijack a word which has widely use meaning already (such as bit). Er, you can, but only on the message boards-witness the use of "loose" instead of 'lose". Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 07:43:14 PM just idea's gathered by other thread topics ubit (topdown measurement from bitcoin) hectosat (bottomup measurement from satoshi) bit - popular gav (honouring gavin A for 3 years of programming bitcoin just like sat honours the inventor) alp (honouring alpaca socks, the first legit business to accept bitcoin) adding ubit to the poll, thanks. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: franky1 on May 04, 2014, 07:47:50 PM it seems the consensus is just going with bit or other terms that show a bottom up use. yet there are a few top down fanboys that do not like this and aimlessly make new topic and new polls in an attempt to keep trying to get different results.
insanity is when you keep trying to repeat the same thing over and over, waiting to get a different result. so why not try using the existant topics and get proper results instead of all these repeated posts with polls asking the same question. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 07:53:33 PM it seems the consensus is just going with bit or other terms that show a bottom up use. yet there are a few top down fanboys that do not like this and aimlessly make new topic and new polls in an attempt to keep trying to get different results. insanity is when you keep trying to repeat the same thing over and over, trying to get a different result. so why not try using the existant topics and get proper results instead of all these repeated posts with polls asking the same question. Prior polls did not explain that Bit is already taken. Surprise-not everybody are aware of this because we mostly use Mb, Gb or TB moniker, but it is Gigabit as in "8-port Gigabit switch" or "2 Terabit hard drive' If you post polls without proper description, you are basically hijacking the word. Good going. fan boys of what? Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: hello_good_sir on May 04, 2014, 08:04:54 PM it seems the consensus is just going with bit According to my poll, more than 60% of people do not want "bit". They did not pick as their first or even second choice. So no, only a very vocal minority wants "bit". The rest of us are using polls to try to figure out what the consensus will be. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: hello_good_sir on May 04, 2014, 08:05:59 PM You forgot to include most of the most popular choices: bitcoin, zib, and centoshi. Your choices are all very similar.
Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 08:07:50 PM You forgot to include most of the most popular choices: bitcoin, zib, and centoshi. Your choices are all very similar. done Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 08:11:05 PM it seems the consensus is just going with bit According to my poll, more than 60% of people do not want "bit". They did not pick as their first or even second choice. So no, only a very vocal minority wants "bit". The rest of us are using polls to try to figure out what the consensus will be. Exactly, how could you push so hard for ALREADY used information tech word? I think that we need to find a good consensus, and it should take some time. The fact that Jeff garzik or Bitpay favors bit (at the moment only!) should matter little or none at all for a wide consensus. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: carlbgc on May 04, 2014, 08:11:16 PM I was a fan of bit, but after all the discussion and reasons not to use bit, ubit is really growing on me.
Advantages of ubit: -Actually makes sense as a unit of measurement -Not taken by anything else -Rolls off the tongue and easy to say Remember, this will just be the official term. PEOPLE WILL INVENT SLANG NATURALLY AND CALL IT WHAT THEY WISH. Hell, it may end up being known as the bit. But at least when there is the possibility of confusion (ie buying a 64 bit OS for 32 bits) people can use the official unit (buying a 64 bit OS for 32 ubits). When you're down at the grocery store buying milk the cashier can use the slang with no confusion (that'll be 2.2 bits). Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: hello_good_sir on May 04, 2014, 08:30:10 PM The fact that Jeff garzik or Bitpay favors bit (at the moment only!) should matter little or none at all for a wide consensus. It isn't too surprising that Bitpay would favor "bit". I'm glad that they are doing the decent thing and aren't pushing that particular name too hard. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: franky1 on May 04, 2014, 08:45:46 PM Prior polls did not explain that Bit is already taken. would you like a five pound of beef or a five pound bank note only use lead-free paint in the childrens room and try and find the dogs lead to take him for a walk my kitchen oven uses gas, my american car is fuelled with gas can you look after my pet mouse while i go to the computer store and replace my keyboard and mouse i drunk a beer and now im drunk look at that old bag, carrying her shopping in a bag that girls bra cup is bigger then my coffee cup can you look on top of the wardrobe and find me a clean top to wear the sun light, lightens up my day. i do not feel heavy, i feel light if you notice any spelling mistakes on this official notice i am posting on this notice board. my mommy is wrapped in bandages, just like a mommy listening to a music jam while eating strawberry jam cell phones will one day be the size of single cell organisms can you sculpt me 2 stone birds with their wings out and put one in the left and one in the right wings of my mansion your right, my right arm is longer then my left can i trust you to go to the bank and open a trust fund for our kid tomorrows outlook is good, i do not mean a microsoft email update my tablet PC reminds me when is should take my tablets your a knob, now let go of my door knob im going to wage war on my boss because he has not paid me my wage that nail gun shot a nail straight through the nail in my finger baby lets go to bed so we can spoon together.. hang on love we ran out of spoons, how about a knife i blew my lid today as i couldnt eat any peanut butter. that dam peanut butter lid was stuck can you tell me how much that can of pepsi is dont bottle up your motions due to that bottleneck on the highway, drink a bottle of water you girl are smoking hott, i love to watch a girl while she is smoking a pre-med doctor sits in a field hypothesizing which medical field to specialize in at the DIY store i asked for a socket, he asked me socket wrench or electrical plug socket there are some bgs in my code, but not as much as their are bed bugs in my bed will you light my cigarette with that lighter that lights up using led lights this bag of chips taste nice.... No john don't eat my ASIC mining chips the NSA screens all visitors but i was more impressed by their 4k hi-def LED screens the doctor found tar on my lungs, i told him to unzip the tar file and extract it your mouth is larger then the mouth of the Mississippi river old mcdonald had a farm, and a mcdonald bigmac for his lunch im growing grass on my property, not weed the standard short gren grass that covers every garden and field i want to buy an apple.. a golden delicious not a G5 i found a bit of someones tooth in sandwich when i bitdown on it. the last sentance shows bit is in use.. now look at the first sentance.. and tell me the british government care about double meanings Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Chrithu on May 04, 2014, 08:49:04 PM Why not stick to µBTC/uBTC as it has been commonly used ever since?
Anyways my vote is µBTC. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Arghhh on May 04, 2014, 08:50:13 PM Your poll is biased, you know that?
Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: franky1 on May 04, 2014, 08:54:19 PM Why not stick to µBTC/uBTC as it has been commonly used ever since? Anyways my vote is µBTC. µBTC is a topdown measurement, and not future-proofing for common conversations of bitcoin Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 09:25:44 PM Prior polls did not explain that Bit is already taken. would you like a five pound of beef or a five pound bank note i found a bit of someones tooth in sandwich when i bitdown on it. the last sentance shows bit is in use.. now look at the first sentance.. and tell me the british government care about double meanings I had never seen a pound note in my life, don't care about the british gov (we declared independence in 1776) and I don't know what the sentance is either. Care to elaborate? Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 09:26:32 PM Your poll is biased, you know that? how? It has 9 entries now. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Gyrsur on May 04, 2014, 09:28:27 PM done
Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: franky1 on May 04, 2014, 09:43:18 PM I had never seen a pound note in my life, don't care about the british gov (we declared independence in 1776) and I don't know what the sentance is either. Care to elaborate? i know your joking but anyways pound: 10 pound note 10 pound of beef i will pound you into the ground a pound is where stray dogs go to die do you hear that pounding sound several meanings for pound yet one government just doesnt care, now then back to the point i bit my lip 8 bits to a byte there's a bit of dirt on my shoe 100 satoshi's to a bit and as for the symbol to all the fanboys that like unicode ᵬ Unicode number: U+1D6C HTML-code: ᵬ oh and by the way, your poll.. a centoshi... cen is 0.01, you might want to try hectoshi Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: acs267 on May 04, 2014, 09:45:51 PM Why can't we keep the measurements from here?
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units I'm pretty sure every unit of Bitcoin is taken. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 10:01:34 PM Why can't we keep the measurements from here? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units I'm pretty sure every unit of Bitcoin is taken. We are discussing a simpler name for microbitcoin, naturally, with an underlying thought (that I agree with) that it is easier to measure monetary units in integers rather than decimals with a few zeroes beforehand. You don't calls cents centidollar. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: R2D221 on May 04, 2014, 10:43:05 PM You don't calls cents centidollar. If “centidollars” are called “cents”, then maybe “microbitcoins” could be “micros”.Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: young3dvard on May 04, 2014, 10:49:05 PM Why not stick to µBTC/uBTC as it has been commonly used ever since? Anyways my vote is µBTC. µBTC is a topdown measurement, and not future-proofing for common conversations of bitcoin it is spelled micro Bitcoin, and most understand micro is milionth, so why the need for something better ??? Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 04, 2014, 11:26:37 PM Why not stick to µBTC/uBTC as it has been commonly used ever since? Anyways my vote is µBTC. µBTC is a topdown measurement, and not future-proofing for common conversations of bitcoin it is spelled micro Bitcoin, and most understand micro is milionth, so why the need for something better ??? what is a microdollar? This poll is to establish possible alternatives to using micro ( a single word, not a derivative). Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: hello_good_sir on May 04, 2014, 11:50:45 PM and most understand micro is milionth That's a fantasy, not reality. The vast majority of people in the world do not understand SI prefixes. Most people are familiar with kilo, centi, and milli. Very few people know what the others mean. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Mike Christ on May 05, 2014, 02:39:58 AM Quote Buck (bŭk), Pearl Sydenstricker 1892-1973. American writer whose life as a missionary in China lent a vivid immediacy to her novels, including The Good Earth (1931). She won the 1938 Nobel Prize for literature. buck 1 (bŭk) n. 1. a. The adult male of some animals, such as the deer, antelope, or rabbit. b. Antelope considered as a group: a herd of buck. 2. a. A robust or high-spirited young man. b. A fop. 3. Offensive A Native American or Black man. 4. An act or instance of bucking: a horse that unseated its rider on the first buck. 5. a. Buckskin. b. bucks Buckskin breeches or shoes. v. bucked, buck·ing, bucks v.intr. 1. To leap upward arching the back: The horse bucked in fright. 2. To charge with the head lowered; butt. 3. To make sudden jerky movements; jolt: The motor bucked and lurched before it finally ran smoothly. 4. To resist stubbornly and obstinately; balk. 5. Informal To strive with determination: bucking for a promotion. v.tr. 1. To throw or toss by bucking: buck off a rider; bucked the packsaddle off its back. 2. To oppose directly and stubbornly; go against: "Los Angeles County, the most populous county in the country, is bucking the trend" (American Demographics). 3. Football To charge into (an opponent's line) carrying the ball. 4. Archaic To butt against with the head. adj. Of the lowest rank in a specified military category: a buck private; a buck sergeant. Phrasal Verb: buck up To summon one's courage or spirits; hearten: My friends tried to buck me up after I lost the contest. [Middle English bukke, from Old English buc, male deer, and bucca, male goat.] buck′er n. buck 2 (bŭk) n. 1. A sawhorse or sawbuck. 2. A leather-covered frame used for gymnastic vaulting. [Alteration (influenced by buck) of Dutch bok, male goat, trestle, from Middle Dutch boc.] buck 3 (bŭk) n. Informal 1. A dollar. 2. An amount of money: working overtime to make an extra buck How could anyone ever tell the difference? (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/context) Also, this. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/run) Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: zeetubes on May 05, 2014, 09:15:54 AM For what it's worth (pun intended), I was just at the coffee shop and I heard someone say "itsy bitsy" and the bitsy "bit-c" stuck in my brain. And then I read this thread.
Personally I like ubit. Simple and rolls off the tongue nicely. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: herzmeister on May 05, 2014, 10:12:07 AM [X] micros or mics
just like dollar <-> cents ("cent" just means 1/100, it isn't "centdollar") bitcoin <-> micros (1 millionth) There can also be intermediary "millies" (1 thousandth of a bitcoin) I believe if they're officially called millibitcoins and microbitcoins, "millies" and "micros" will become colloquially common anyway in every-day street language. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Chrithu on May 05, 2014, 10:27:09 AM Why not stick to µBTC/uBTC as it has been commonly used ever since? Anyways my vote is µBTC. µBTC is a topdown measurement, and not future-proofing for common conversations of bitcoin That (the last part) is just your opinion. µBTC has worked quite well so far. I don't get what's the problem with it? Everyone that went to school internationally knows what the µ stands for when used in units. It actually is the canonical choice for naming the unit of the millionth fraction of anything. I think people trying to change it just want to be important. Like: "Hey remember when I started a movement to change the name of a unit of a virtual currency back in the day? No? But why not? It was super important!" Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: xDan on May 05, 2014, 10:33:12 AM "bit", because:
General public is *familiar* with the term "bits", but they don't actually know what it means. (w.r.t. bits/bytes etc) So it's a perfect computery sounding term they can already say and are familiar with it. It's short and snappy and sounds futuristic/techy. micro/nano BTC or whatever will still be used too by aficionados. Quote Everyone that went to school internationally knows what the µ stands for when used in units Every reasonably smart and techie person who went to school internationally knows what µ stands for.The general public do not. Go ask ten people on the street. (Someone should actually do that!) Some people will give vague answers (is it a thousandth? A millionth?), while others won't have any idea at all. ... Really, we should be calling this credits, or bitcredits, to fit in with science fiction IMO ;D I really want to pay for something with credits so bad. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: ak111in on May 05, 2014, 10:43:04 AM Your poll is biased, you know that? either remove the positive/negative of your liked/disliked choices or add it for all choices. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: zimmah on May 05, 2014, 10:44:14 AM The bitcoin community is too full with retards who think bit is a good name for microbits.
There's a lot of better options in the poll, even ubit would be fine. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: innocent93 on May 05, 2014, 11:10:32 AM satoshi is small enough , why we need a new unit?
mBtc is suitable to mark the price. So I think mBtc should attracts more sights than such a new unit. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Brangdon on May 05, 2014, 01:17:25 PM You don't calls cents centidollar. But we do call decibels decibels. Many people don't realise the "deci" prefix means that a decibel is 1/10th of a bel (and a bel is named for Alexander Graham Bell), but that doesn't matter.Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 05, 2014, 06:29:07 PM Your poll is biased, you know that? either remove the positive/negative of your liked/disliked choices or add it for all choices. I removed two comments, but regarding bit, it is a statement of the fact, so it stays. Edit: added other meaning to bitcoin choice. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: ak111in on May 05, 2014, 07:25:19 PM Your poll is biased, you know that? either remove the positive/negative of your liked/disliked choices or add it for all choices. I removed two comments, but regarding bit, it is a statement of the fact, so it stays. so then it is a poll to persuade people to choose something other than bit, not a poll to know general opinion.[I am sure there are 'statements of fact' regarding other options but it seems you dont care ] Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: Biodom on May 05, 2014, 07:31:16 PM Your poll is biased, you know that? either remove the positive/negative of your liked/disliked choices or add it for all choices. I removed two comments, but regarding bit, it is a statement of the fact, so it stays. so then it is a poll to persuade people to choose something other than bit, not a poll to know general opinion.[I am sure there are 'statements of fact' regarding other options but it seems you dont care ] I don't think that it really matters (comments or no comments), but I removed them. Don't be so... Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: harrymmmm on May 05, 2014, 11:33:06 PM Missed a popular option: mic or mike
Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: harrymmmm on May 05, 2014, 11:37:00 PM [X] micros or mics just like dollar <-> cents ("cent" just means 1/100, it isn't "centdollar") bitcoin <-> micros (1 millionth) There can also be intermediary "millies" (1 thousandth of a bitcoin) I believe if they're officially called millibitcoins and microbitcoins, "millies" and "micros" will become colloquially common anyway in every-day street language. Yep. So just leave it alone and it will work out well. Title: Re: A new unit=1/1000000BTC. Bit is already taken, how to call a new unit/symbol? Post by: BawsyBoss on May 06, 2014, 02:02:49 AM "ubit" sounds simple and different. It could become the next big thing... or not. We'll have to see. Bit is unacceptable in my opinion.
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