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Title: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Hexah on May 07, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
Some members of our good BitMonero community decided to rename the coin and even did it after sneaky voting in their own IRC chat.
It's time to make public voting and to listen to the people!
Choose the name you like or offer something else.

24 hours to make it clear.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: David Latapie on May 07, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
Some members of our good BitMonero community decided to rename the coin and even did it after sneaky voting in their own IRC chat.
It was #bitmonero by that time. Hardly "their own IRC chat" :/.
Confirmation bias is dangerous. I recommand factual data instead.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: GreekBitcoin on May 07, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
The only one that has problem with the name is tft and it wouldnt be a sneaky poll for him if he was ever online watching what is going on with the coin instead of abandoning it.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: tacotime on May 07, 2014, 04:56:41 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Hexah on May 07, 2014, 04:58:47 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

What is the fair way?


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: pandher on May 07, 2014, 04:59:48 PM
This thread is an insight to how much people are unable to digest Monero's success


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: tacotime on May 07, 2014, 05:01:15 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

What is the fair way?

I'm not sure. I was never in favour of renaming the client itself from bitmonero. I wanted the daemon and protocol to be referred to as Bitmonero while naming the project name and coin itself Monero. Hence in the repo it's being maintained as "bitmonero".

Bitmonero is a good name for a client or protocol, monero is a good name for a currency.

Since people like both names, is this not a reasonable compromise?


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: tacotime on May 07, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.

I'm sorry I've been maintaining the bitmonero/monero fork and haven't introduced any hardfork changes?


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: slapper on May 07, 2014, 05:22:14 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.

Hmm I don't know why Monero folks are getting on the defensive here with couple of Bytecoin faggots trying to FUDge. Don't worry about responding to these trolling faggots who are happy to merge mine 80% premine and spewing their propaganda. Bitcoin folks are watching/mining/trading MRO happily.



Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.

I'm sorry I've been maintaining the bitmonero/monero fork and haven't introduced any hardfork changes?

No, no. You just haven't introduced any changes ;)


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 05:30:22 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.

Hmm I don't know why Monero folks are getting on the defensive here with couple of Bytecoin faggots trying to FUDge. Don't worry about responding to these trolling faggots who are happy to merge mine 80% premine and spewing their propaganda. Bitcoin folks are watching/mining/trading MRO happily.

Yeah, a peaceful Bitcoin Junior Member will call me faggot. I'll report it, thank you. Mr. bot, re-login, please to monero account and explain the questions, please:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6595585#msg6595585
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6596626#msg6596626


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: slapper on May 07, 2014, 05:35:32 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.

Hmm I don't know why Monero folks are getting on the defensive here with couple of Bytecoin faggots trying to FUDge. Don't worry about responding to these trolling faggots who are happy to merge mine 80% premine and spewing their propaganda. Bitcoin folks are watching/mining/trading MRO happily.

Yeah, a peaceful Bitcoin Junior Member will call me faggot. I'll report it, thank you. Mr. bot, re-login, please to monero account and explain the questions, please:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6595585#msg6595585
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6596626#msg6596626


Are you one of the fags who 80% ninja mined Bytecoin and coming here to show us the light ?


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 05:49:51 PM
No, seriously, would someone with a discussion show up and stop this insulting bullshit.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: tifozi on May 07, 2014, 05:57:05 PM
Wow so many Bytecoin fans here lol. I would like to see those who are voting BitMonero post here too. Would be interesting to see why folks are voting the way they are but I can understand privacy too. I voted Monero (d'oh  8))


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 06:02:44 PM
Wow so many Bytecoin fans here lol.

How is it even related to Bytecoin?


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: dnaleor on May 07, 2014, 06:02:52 PM
silly discussion...
I will keep calling it Monero... With or without poll

Monero is a shorter and better name for marketing strategy ;)


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: David Latapie on May 07, 2014, 06:03:20 PM
Wow so many Bytecoin fans here lol. I would like to see those who are voting BitMonero post here too. Would be interesting to see why folks are voting the way they are but I can understand privacy too. I voted Monero (d'oh  8))
Why do I have the feeling that closely before the end of the 24 hours period, they will coincidentally be a lot of BMR votes?

:whistles:


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
Wow so many Bytecoin fans here lol. I would like to see those who are voting BitMonero post here too. Would be interesting to see why folks are voting the way they are but I can understand privacy too. I voted Monero (d'oh  8))
Why do I have the feeling that closely before the end of the 24 hours period, they will coincidentally be a lot of BMR votes?

:whistles:

Maybe because there was never an actual poll on the name, only take-over-the-control operation.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: aminorex on May 07, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
BitMonero is an absolutely awful name.  This may be intended as an attack on the coin.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: KFR on May 07, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
I concur.  I voted Monero as soon as the poll went up.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: johnmatrix on May 07, 2014, 07:32:47 PM
monero


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Rias on May 07, 2014, 07:37:43 PM
BitMonero is an absolutely awful name.  This may be intended as an attack on the coin.

Taking over the control to instamine is the attack on original BitMonero.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: tifozi on May 07, 2014, 07:37:58 PM
BitMonero is an absolutely awful name.  This may be intended as an attack on the coin.

Because it is an attack ;) Not one regular person has come forward and said they voted BMR. We had asked TFT to reconsider the name even before he was launching. We still mined after he launched it as BMR.

I remember tacotime giving up on an immediate fork because he himself thought and indicated how multiple forks only harm each other and even then sadly it went down to this.

I would have been ok with BMR but then TFT unfolded his flop card which was to merge mine with Bytecoin and I knew where he is coming from, where others like OP/Rias/Bytecoin miners are coming from and even some of the other mysterious ways the CN team is handling MRO. It tells us that MRO is on the right track.



Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: emontmon on May 07, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

If TFT wants to continue bitmonero as a separate fork he can easily do so by introducing some hardfork change into his repo.  monero-project repo will continue on its own. So far I have only introduced softforking changes, and both our clients are compatible with the network, though his is out of date.

Anyone can make the second announcement of the fresh coin.
Anyone can make optimized miner and pretend to be saints.

This is silly.

rias

i thought that it was made clear the miner change was pretty simple. I am not a coder by any means but consensus came across ahhhhh. it was a simple coding change.

there is nothing wrong with alt coins. Rias, why dont you lead the masses and show us how it is done. I have made it clear, I am a sheep. I will follow the most fair and promising tech.

I think most people are sheep and will follow as well. The unfair thing that happend with bitmonero is
1. TFT proposed a vote for name but this voting never materialized. options were never given
--> he chose the name.
2. TFT did not take into consideration the 60 second confirmation time. it was pointed out the possible flaw but he did not awknowlege it.
--he changed it to 1 minute. making it easier to get orphan blocks.
3. OP was not updated regularly. making it very hard for new comers to participate.
--he did not respond and kept mining the coin himself. what he was most content with was getting a fork of bcn. he saw the pontential. given the current HR, he was right. but he jumped first. others volunteered to help. I do not know to what extent he included those people.

I do not think it was instamined. it is difficult now, and I feel you feel left out. I understand that. I tried for 5 days to participate with mro but couldnt. it was directly due to TFT structure.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Joshuar on May 07, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
BitMonero is an absolutely awful name.  This may be intended as an attack on the coin.

I do prefer Monero over Bitmonero by far.


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: abit2slo on May 07, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
voted for Bitmonero but it means nothing. all that's kinda stupid


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: merkalor on May 08, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
This is kind of silly... anyone can make a bunch of profiles on here and vote it one way or the other.

What is the fair way?

I'm not sure. I was never in favour of renaming the client itself from bitmonero. I wanted the daemon and protocol to be referred to as Bitmonero while naming the project name and coin itself Monero. Hence in the repo it's being maintained as "bitmonero".

Bitmonero is a good name for a client or protocol, monero is a good name for a currency.

Since people like both names, is this not a reasonable compromise?

+1


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: pozmu on May 08, 2014, 12:18:35 AM
I like both.
Biggest problem is that someone is going to launch fake monero  >:(


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: creepywheepy on May 08, 2014, 08:24:47 PM
BitMonero is an absolutely awful name.  This may be intended as an attack on the coin.

I do prefer Monero over Bitmonero by far.

IMO that BitMonero is better just because we used to this name. And, personally , I like ''bit'' in the name


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Hexah on May 08, 2014, 08:58:08 PM
Oh, ok.
But I will not give up ;D


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: jadehorse on May 10, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
Bitmonero is a pretty cool name for a coin. Everyone got used to it and there was no need to rename


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: Elerntta on May 10, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
Bitmonero is a pretty cool name for a coin. Everyone got used to it and there was no need to rename

Firstly I liked both names but agressive Monero fans made my sympathy for it go down


Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: emontmon on May 10, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
Monero was voted by community. Lamenting after the fact is silly.

There are now few bcn clones.  Why not direct attention to those and offer support. I remember at the very beginning people called the coin a shitcoin. Scam coin and pump and dump. It seemed people formed their opinion without reading the thread. Please go over the original thread and educate yourself. Now it seems those individuals that made a rash decision see their mistake. To what end is unknown to me. Read the posts from bcn, bitmonero, monero, honeypenny.  LEARN about the coin and offer your support to the coin you think is worth you attention. 



Title: Re: BMR vs MRO. Time to make it fair.
Post by: emontmon on May 10, 2014, 08:47:56 PM
Bitmonero is a pretty cool name for a coin. Everyone got used to it and there was no need to rename

Everyone did not get used it. the renaming made it a community coin and not a tft coin.
And that is a good thing.