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Title: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Syke on January 29, 2012, 05:43:57 AM
I'm sick of this trash. Can we delete all SolidCoin-related topics? The recently released SolidCoin source code continues to violate the original software license of the code stolen from the Bitcoin project. This forum is no place for illegal activities. Especially when the license is so easy to comply with.

Let me quote it:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/COPYING
Quote
Copyright (c) 2009-2011 Bitcoin Developers

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
...
Version 2.04 has been released, and again CoinHunter has failed to include the required notices. This license requirement has been brought to CoinHunter's attention many times, and yet he refuses to comply with the license. Ban him and all SolidCoin threads until he complies with the license.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Maged on January 29, 2012, 06:20:34 AM
Just ask Luke to DMCA it again...


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 29, 2012, 08:40:50 AM
SolidCoin complies with the MIT license, it's included in license.txt which is included with every download. Just because you want it to not comply doesn't change the fact it does. :)


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Syke on January 29, 2012, 09:18:34 AM
Here's the full text of license.txt:

Quote
We welcome people modifying, extending and making projects for SolidCoin. We realize people don't want to have to get permission to use, or have to release source code to their projects if they don't won't to.

HOWEVER.

The SolidCoin source cannot be used in projects which are not in close relation to SolidCoin or do not work with the project (currently defined by the project hosted at http://solidcoin.info). We reserve the right to cancel this open source license to any project which has a negative impact on the SolidCoin network or SolidCoin users.

Your projects source code doesn't need to be released if you use the source or derive from it. A credit or note about using the source code would be welcome however. Businesses and companies are also free to use the source provided all other conditions are met.

The SolidCoin name is trademarked by RealSolid. All source applicable is also copyrighted by RealSolid. The copyrights and trademarks will be handed over to the SolidCoin NPO which will be created at some point in the future.


*NOTE*
Some parts of SolidCoin are still based on the MIT licensed source code by Bitcoin, as such to check the differences in code please consult the Bitcoin code base to determine what is MIT and what isn't. This copyright applies to particular Bitcoin fragments of code within SolidCoin.

Copyright (c) 2009-2010 Satoshi Nakamoto
Copyright (c) 2011 The Bitcoin developers
Distributed under the MIT/X11 software license

For all original work in SolidCoin the following copyright applies

Copyright (C) 2011-2012 RealSolid
Copyright (C) 2011-2012 SolidCoin Developers (mtrlt, ahimoth, karmoan)


Disclaimer of warranty

Covered code is provided under this license on an "as is" basis, without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including, without limitation, warranties that the covered code is free of defects, merchantable, fit for a particular purpose or non-infringing. The entire risk as to the quality and performance of the covered code is with you. Should any covered code prove defective in any respect, you (not the initial developer or any other contributor) assume the cost of any necessary servicing, repair or correction. This disclaimer of warranty constitutes an essential part of this license. No use of any covered code is authorized hereunder except under this disclaimer.

As I posted previously, there is a very clear "The above copyright notice and this permission notice..." term in the original license. You can use your file editor's search function to see that the required notice is not in license.txt.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 29, 2012, 10:43:37 AM
It clearly states the MIT license applies to original bitcoin code. People can easily determine what the MIT license is. If you have a problem with it take it to the courts to prove your claims and get damages of $0 . In the mean time keep crying a river, it's enjoyable.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Costia on January 29, 2012, 10:51:26 AM
the license is very clear
Quote
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
it doent say you have to mention it in your license , it says you have to include it



Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 29, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
it doent say you have to mention it in your license , it says you have to include it

The definition of "include" is quite loose. Like I said if you think you are right and want to win $0 because of some semantics then go ahead. SolidCoin is free software, it is open source software.

If you're worrying about such semantics I wonder why you have no real problems in your life.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: kokjo on January 29, 2012, 11:18:02 AM
please bad coinhunter/solidcoin now.

include is not loose, its quite clear. include means that it needs to follow the stuff its gets included with.

why would you want to remove it anyway? its just stupid


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 29, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
include is not loose, its quite clear. include means that it needs to follow the stuff its gets included with.

why would you want to remove it anyway? its just stupid

Include is quite loose legally, it clearly states the MIT license applies to Bitcoin in the license.txt . What do you lose by having it your way vs having it the way it is now? You think stating something is licensed under MIT without including all of the mit license text makes it not so? It's quite laughable.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Costia on January 29, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
it makes it less clear that the code it free for all and does not belong to you like the rest of it - which you allow to be used only for solid coin
and i think it is on purpose
nobody is going to sue you, but it is bad manners. you got the bitcoin code for free, just do what they ask. is it so hard to copy paste it?


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: joulesbeef on January 29, 2012, 01:51:58 PM
I'm confused, does us copyright law cover the entire planet?

This place isnt the place for illegal activity? what do you think it is when someone moves more than 10k via bitcoin?
oh wait there I go assuming US law is world wide.

I do find it interesting the die hard freedom folks like to ban people whom they disagree with.

shouldnt yall be able to counter solidcoin publicly without going to this centrally managed method of crying to the kings?

The whole solidcoin hate, and DMCA notices is just lame as hell, sure seems antithesis to the ideas behind the community.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 29, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
it makes it less clear that the code it free for all and does not belong to you like the rest of it - which you allow to be used only for solid coin
and i think it is on purpose
nobody is going to sue you, but it is bad manners. you got the bitcoin code for free, just do what they ask. is it so hard to copy paste it?

Our code does not belong to the world with no conditions. Unlike Bitcoin we put disclaimers in there to protect us legally from malicious activity. If people want to use SolidCoin code for "Good" then there is no problem, they don't even need to release the source. A malicious Bitcoin developer could release something that attacks the network and the Bitcoin developers could do absolutely nothing to remove it. If someone writes a virus for Windows on the other hand Microsoft slap the turkey on them.

In regards to your continued ridiculous claims about MIT, it is obvious as day to anyone that reads the license.txt that there is Bitcoin code used and it is licensed under MIT and copyrighted by them. Perhaps your bad manners is subjective? Perhaps another person believes its bad manners to criticize Bitcoin because some of your code is still using it. Maybe others believe it is bad manners to criticize Bitcoin at all. Some others in a dark region think it's even bad manners to use Bitcoin code at all! What you "feel" and "think" isn't necessarily reality and the quicker you realize this the better off you'll be. Satoshi, unlike the current developers, released his code under MIT because he realized Bitcoin would be overtaken by <insert the boogey man>... and a real fork like SolidCoin would be needed.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: k9quaint on January 29, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I violated the MIT license, but still can't admit I did it. I just keep changing the story and hope people forget the earlier versions.

Thank you Coinhunter, that was an excellent summation.

To the mods: can we get a scammer label on these guys? I would hate for someone new to cryptocurrencies to take what the Solidcoin folks say at face value.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Fiyasko on January 29, 2012, 06:32:45 PM
it makes it less clear that the code it free for all and does not belong to you like the rest of it - which you allow to be used only for solid coin
and i think it is on purpose
nobody is going to sue you, but it is bad manners. you got the bitcoin code for free, just do what they ask. is it so hard to copy paste it?

Our code does not belong to the world with no conditions. Unlike Bitcoin we put disclaimers in there to protect us legally from malicious activity. If people want to use SolidCoin code for "Good" then there is no problem, they don't even need to release the source. A malicious Bitcoin developer could release something that attacks the network and the Bitcoin developers could do absolutely nothing to remove it. If someone writes a virus for Windows on the other hand Microsoft slap the turkey on them.

In regards to your continued ridiculous claims about MIT, it is obvious as day to anyone that reads the license.txt that there is Bitcoin code used and it is licensed under MIT and copyrighted by them. Perhaps your bad manners is subjective? Perhaps another person believes its bad manners to criticize Bitcoin because some of your code is still using it. Maybe others believe it is bad manners to criticize Bitcoin at all. Some others in a dark region think it's even bad manners to use Bitcoin code at all! What you "feel" and "think" isn't necessarily reality and the quicker you realize this the better off you'll be. Satoshi, unlike the current developers, released his code under MIT because he realized Bitcoin would be overtaken by <insert the boogey man>... and a real fork like SolidCoin would be needed.

Dude. The fucking law says that "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

you do NOT include the text
the word "include" Is not fucking "loose" atall, Here, i'll pull up a dictionary Just For You
Heres the Oxford definition, Tell me where you see the word Include, Being "loose"

Code:
1comprise or contain as part of a whole: the price includes dinner, bed, and breakfast other changes included the abolition of the death penalty

 
2make part of a whole or set: we have included some hints for beginners in this section

 
allow (someone) to share in an activity or privilege: there were doubts as to whether she was included in the invitation
Source:http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/include?q=include

By not adding the text, You break the law, And therefore, Are fully eligible for a DMCA takedown


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Syke on January 29, 2012, 08:41:41 PM
What do you lose by having it your way vs having it the way it is now?
Why do you continue to refuse to comply with the license? It clearly states:

Quote
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
The MIT license is one of the simpliest, clearest, and easiest licenses to comply with, and yet you refuse to comply. Why?

Furthermore, in the binary distribution, http://solidcoin.info/downloads/solidcoin-204-linux64.tar.bz2, not only is the MIT license not included, but even the Bitcoin copyright notice has been completely removed. Again, you are violating the license.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9562/solidcoinlicense.png


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on January 29, 2012, 08:43:37 PM
time to dmca his ass again lol.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: paraipan on January 29, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
time to dmca his ass again lol.

+1


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: NothinG on January 29, 2012, 08:47:24 PM
I'm confused, does us copyright law cover the entire planet?

This place isnt the place for illegal activity? what do you think it is when someone moves more than 10k via bitcoin?
oh wait there I go assuming US law is world wide.

I do find it interesting the die hard freedom folks like to ban people whom they disagree with.

shouldnt yall be able to counter solidcoin publicly without going to this centrally managed method of crying to the kings?

The whole solidcoin hate, and DMCA notices is just lame as hell, sure seems antithesis to the ideas behind the community.
//thread


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Fiyasko on January 29, 2012, 11:22:44 PM
So your position on this is "DMCA's dont affect me because im not under US law"
How about Megaupload?


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: FlipPro on January 29, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
I'm confused, does us copyright law cover the entire planet?

This place isnt the place for illegal activity? what do you think it is when someone moves more than 10k via bitcoin?
oh wait there I go assuming US law is world wide.

I do find it interesting the die hard freedom folks like to ban people whom they disagree with.

shouldnt yall be able to counter solidcoin publicly without going to this centrally managed method of crying to the kings?

The whole solidcoin hate, and DMCA notices is just lame as hell, sure seems antithesis to the ideas behind the community.
//thread
+1


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: FlipPro on January 29, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
So your position on this is "DMCA's dont affect me because im not under US law"
How about Megaupload?
Whos side are we on again?



Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Costia on January 29, 2012, 11:32:15 PM
It's not just the copyright law itself.
He got the code for free.
People spent a lot of time and effort writing it, and all they asked in return is to copy paste 10-20 lines.
How hard can it be? Even now, instead of arguing about it he could just add that to his license and be done with it.
Not doing that is just being an ungrateful asshole.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: paraipan on January 29, 2012, 11:36:21 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XVuG-wJ4p38/TCz7NdagKuI/AAAAAAAACA0/6Pm7BaUlixU/s400/whoopass.jpg


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 30, 2012, 12:17:55 AM
It's just funny how ironic the whole situation is with some of these people supporting draconian laws to try to censor a free project they don't like. Isn't the Bitcoin ethos against this? Or am I in the wrong place?

"Dude you didn't put a text file exactly the way I like!!! OMFG I'm going to DMCA you!! Yeah that will teach you!!"

Bitcoin can have supporters like this, we only want people against these types of institutions working with and investing in SolidCoin at the moment.



Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: paraipan on January 30, 2012, 12:20:30 AM
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1008/if-i-were-a-mod-sledgehammer-banhammer-ban-mod-august-calend-demotivational-poster-1281106102.jpg


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: LoupGaroux on January 30, 2012, 12:38:18 AM
It's just funny how ironic the whole situation is with some of these people supporting draconian laws to try to censor a free project they don't like. Isn't the Bitcoin ethos against this? Or am I in the wrong place?

"Dude you didn't put a text file exactly the way I like!!! OMFG I'm going to DMCA you!! Yeah that will teach you!!"

Bitcoin can have supporters like this, we only want people against these types of institutions working with and investing in SolidCoin at the moment.



Just do the whole wide world a favor and shut the fuck up. You and your short bus full of simple minded ponzi-schemers continue to amaze and amuse with how dogged your pursuit of stupidity is. You were cuaght out in your lies and illegal acts, AGAIN, and no amount of brain dead hot air is going to change that.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: k9quaint on January 30, 2012, 12:39:05 AM
It's just funny how ironic the whole situation is with some of these people supporting draconian laws to try to censor a free project they don't like. Isn't the Bitcoin ethos against this? Or am I in the wrong place?

"Dude you didn't put a text file exactly the way I like!!! OMFG I'm going to DMCA you!! Yeah that will teach you!!"

Bitcoin can have supporters like this, we only want people against these types of institutions working with and investing in SolidCoin at the moment.



That is the price you have to pay (in this specific instance) to use other peoples code. If you don't want to pay their price, don't use their code. They are not making you pay money, or give them royalties or ownership. They are just asking you not to take credit for their work.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on January 30, 2012, 01:19:32 AM
Any publicity is good publicity. No matter how you skin this cat if you use the men with guns to try to take someone actual property irl because of something that is insubstantial and doesnt actually affect the original item its obscene.

If they ban it someone will just sell sc on Silk Road.

SolidCoin-because its like crack.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 30, 2012, 08:16:36 AM
I've released v2.041 which fixes a crash bug in the Linux daemon, also updated the license.txt so that the criticisms shown from some supporters here can disappear.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/532-solidcoin-v2041-released/

Thanks again for your support.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Fiyasko on January 30, 2012, 08:30:45 AM
Dude, You have your own ENTIRE FORUMS, go post that the new client is out ver there, Not in multiple threads within Alt Cur. on the bitcoinforums


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 30, 2012, 09:11:28 AM
Dude, You have your own ENTIRE FORUMS, go post that the new client is out ver there, Not in multiple threads within Alt Cur. on the bitcoinforums

You do know SolidCoin is the second biggest cryptochain, the biggest "alt chain" . It certainly deserves mention on this segment of the forum given that.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 30, 2012, 09:22:35 AM
How did you measure that because I would have guessed namecoin or LTC. I'm pretty sure name coin and LTC are "bigger" than ShitCoin but please tell me how I am wrong.

It's hard to take you serious when you are so intentionally offensive.

SolidCoin is the biggest "alt chain" or second biggest cryptochain (currently behind Bitcoin) because of the following :-

1) Number of nodes
2) Market cap.  2.8 million coins in circulation at $0.05 USD  ($140000)

I'm not sure what metrics you would use but if you want to compare some other chains in market cap

NMC: 2017300 coins * $0.028 = $56585
LTC: 3702750 coins * $0.0064 = $23697

So we are nearly 3 times bigger than namecoin and 6 times bigger than LiteCoin.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: CoinHunter on January 30, 2012, 09:37:12 AM
You do realize the price only went up because you changed it so you only have something like 5 coins in a block now and you are buying these coins?

number of nodes lol!

Also I thought you would have used biggest as most adapted, or most used, or most mined. namecoin and litecoin have you there. How much of your own money have you pumped into this to keep up the price? I guess it is not hard to do now that there is no volume due to no one mining it but you. No one can sell into your rise as you cut off the supply. (Give me great idea for TyGrr coin, lol)

And yeah, there is no need for you to take me seriously, and I wont be stopping the lulz.

Hah, if you think you're so smart and this is what is happening you could have so easily made so much money! How unfortunate for you. :)


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Gabi on January 30, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
Oh ScamCoin


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: illpoet on January 30, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
what does DMCA mean?


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on January 30, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
Finally even King RealScam can follow a license agreement.  It only took what 5 months, countless posts, banning people from his forum, a DMCA takedown and 12 releases of the software to be compliant with the easiest license on the planet.

Granted you are still in violation of Oracle license and pirating their software but nobody is perfect right?

Way to prove even a learning disability can't keep you down.


I notice you claim a trademark to SolidCoin.  Come on now you are full of shit.  An international trademark search for term "SolidCoin" returned no results (neither aproved or submitted).  You do know a trademark must be registered.  You can't just claim you have one.  Hell just to be an ass I may file a trademark for the term SolidCoin and to use the SolidCoin logo just to show you how it is done.

On edit: granted there is no such thing as an international trademark registry so my "international" search tool only covers 90 or so countries but unless you filed a tademark in Norther Somolia I am pretty sure it would have shown up.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on January 30, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
Finally even King RealScam can follow a license agreement.  It only took what 5 months, countless posts, banning people from his forum, a DMCA takedown and 12 releases of the software to be compliant with the easiest license on the planet.

Granted you are still in violation of Oracle license and pirating their software but nobody is perfect right?

Way to prove even a learning disability can't keep you down.


I notice you claim a trademark to SolidCoin.  Come on now you are full of shit.  An international trademark search for term "SolidCoin" returned no results (neither aproved or submitted).  You do know a trademark must be registered.  You can't just claim you have one.  Hell just to be an ass I may file a trademark for the term SolidCoin and to use the SolidCoin logo just to show you how it is done.

I would forever be in awe if you did!

I likely won't just because IP trolls (trademarks, copyrights, patents, etc) annoy the ever loving shit out of me.

Still it costs about $500 in the US to file a trademark registration and takes all of an hour to do the paperwork.  If the author isn't interested in spending a token amount to put the brand on solid legal footing well it shows how much ScamCoin is worth.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on January 30, 2012, 01:39:18 PM
10Bitcoin bounty from me if someone gets it before King Scammer

LOLZ. In case someone is considering it, be aware that a first filed registration can be disputed.  It isn't a "auto-win" button.  Still it can be a painfully long process to dispute trademark registrations especially if contested which is why generally it is a good idea for any business to register their marks early and have evidence of "first date in commerce".  In the long run unless someone intends to provide a real product or service w/ the trademark it likely will be eventually overturned.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Syke on January 30, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
I've released v2.041 which fixes a crash bug in the Linux daemon, also updated the license.txt so that the criticisms shown from some supporters here can disappear.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/532-solidcoin-v2041-released/

Thanks again for your support.
Wow, progress. I'm impressed. Next time do you think you can put the valid copyright info in the About Dialog so that most users will be able to see it when they run the GUI? Why do you try so hard to give the original authors as little credit as possible?


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: ThiagoCMC on January 30, 2012, 05:22:23 PM
Please, COME ON GUUUUYS!
BAN ALL SOLIDCOIN RELATED TOPICS!! Including CH!
That's enough.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Fiyasko on January 30, 2012, 05:41:39 PM
Please, COME ON GUUUUYS!
BAN ALL SOLIDCOIN RELATED TOPICS!! Including CH!
That's enough.
Pleasee!


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: jake262144 on January 30, 2012, 08:06:01 PM
BAN ALL SOLIDCOIN RELATED TOPICS!! Including CH!
That's enough.
Righto.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: LoupGaroux on January 30, 2012, 08:55:21 PM
Please, COME ON GUUUUYS!
BAN ALL SOLIDCOIN RELATED TOPICS!! Including CH!
That's enough.

+10


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: NothinG on January 31, 2012, 05:06:51 AM
So your position on this is "DMCA's dont affect me because im not under US law"
How about Megaupload?
Yes, exactly.
Megaupload had most of their servers located in USA, giving the USA a reason to psopena the servers.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Fiyasko on February 01, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
So your position on this is "DMCA's dont affect me because im not under US law"
How about Megaupload?
Yes, exactly.
Megaupload had most of their servers located in USA, giving the USA a reason to psopena the servers.

While there is cleary more than two sides to this Megaupload DMCA ownage.
Im on the DMCA side... They DID have servers in the US, and that puts them under US law, And one of those laws is a DMCA... I see no foulplay..
There is ofcourse the whole "censorship is not the answer" part, But thats SOPA/ACTA/PIPA, Not DMCA, They are simmilar, But not at all the same.



Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: 1QaZxSw2 on February 03, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Instead of bitching about solidcoin, put your money where your mouth is:

Bet that solid coin will go below 0.001 by mar 31 2012

http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=263



Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on February 04, 2012, 04:10:05 AM
How did you measure that because I would have guessed namecoin or LTC. I'm pretty sure name coin and LTC are "bigger" than ShitCoin but please tell me how I am wrong.

It's hard to take you serious when you are so intentionally offensive.

SolidCoin is the biggest "alt chain" or second biggest cryptochain (currently behind Bitcoin) because of the following :-

1) Number of nodes
2) Market cap.  2.8 million coins in circulation at $0.05 USD  ($140000)

I'm not sure what metrics you would use but if you want to compare some other chains in market cap

NMC: 2017300 coins * $0.028 = $56585
LTC: 3702750 coins * $0.0064 = $23697

So we are nearly 3 times bigger than namecoin and 6 times bigger than LiteCoin.


As an observation, with the change in block reward, the price is halved to $0.025/SC so being generous that halves the market cap.  I also observe that total bids are just $450 and 265 BTC on BTC-e.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Syke on February 04, 2012, 06:20:24 AM
SolidCoin is the biggest "alt chain" or second biggest cryptochain (currently behind Bitcoin) because of the following :-

1) Number of nodes
2) Market cap.  2.8 million coins in circulation at $0.05 USD  ($140000)
1. Hashrate dropped from 34739 to 9021.
2. Price dropped from $.05 to $.02

Clearly the block reward is still too high. Why don't you try -5 SC per block?


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Fiyasko on February 04, 2012, 06:49:42 AM
SolidCoin is the biggest "alt chain" or second biggest cryptochain (currently behind Bitcoin) because of the following :-

1) Number of nodes
2) Market cap.  2.8 million coins in circulation at $0.05 USD  ($140000)
1. Hashrate dropped from 34739 to 9021.
2. Price dropped from $.05 to $.02

Clearly the block reward is still too high. Why don't you try -5 SC per block?


All this SC garbage is going to make the 50/25 block split So Much more painful...
with all the "lets try alt chains instead of staying on Satoshi's" it's going to Murder the public acceptablility of Bitcoins.
Anybody starting/running a cyrpto currency that isnt Bitcoin, Is a money lusting Bastard who is destroying the very source of income they hope to tap into.

What made bitcoins work? The knowledge that the are Finite,
So people go, "why wont this new currency i make work then?"
Because Bitcoins were a fucking test project that JUST SO HAPPENED to work out!, The more Fuckers creating ShitCoins, The more people they're will be to go "That 'bicoin' is garbage and isnt worth JackShit, Watch, I'll go create SuperSolidCoins!, They are Exactly like bitcoins, and therefore are going to work!" <--Fucking, Idiots.
It's Spiral of stupidity that Kills Bitcoins.
You Greedy FUCKS stop creating other alt currencys, Your devaluing bitcoins
You Asshole.


Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: Kettenmonster on February 04, 2012, 01:47:46 PM
Sorry JackRabiit could you please reconsider the wording at the very end of your posting. It doesnīt help supporting your point.

Now back to topic.
If Bitcoins are good they will be copied or at least such attempts will be made.
That is how humans acted the past ages and they wont stop it just because somebody is yelling at them.
Those copycats are rather a proof for Bitcoin being worthy than a danger to its value.
Of cause they are both, but you canīt have one without the other.

p.s.
I'm a huge believer in evolution. (Linus Torvalds)



Title: Re: Ban SolidCoin
Post by: 1QaZxSw2 on February 04, 2012, 06:31:48 PM


All this SC garbage is going to make the 50/25 block split So Much more painful...
with all the "lets try alt chains instead of staying on Satoshi's" it's going to Murder the public acceptablility of Bitcoins.
Anybody starting/running a cyrpto currency that isnt Bitcoin, Is a money lusting Bastard who is destroying the very source of income they hope to tap into.

What made bitcoins work? The knowledge that the are Finite,
So people go, "why wont this new currency i make work then?"
Because Bitcoins were a fucking test project that JUST SO HAPPENED to work out!, The more Fuckers creating ShitCoins, The more people they're will be to go "That 'bicoin' is garbage and isnt worth JackShit, Watch, I'll go create SuperSolidCoins!, They are Exactly like bitcoins, and therefore are going to work!" <--Fucking, Idiots.
It's Spiral of stupidity that Kills Bitcoins.
You Greedy FUCKS stop creating other alt currencys, Your devaluing bitcoins
You Asshole.

If bitcoin's design did not take copycats into account, then thats its own failing. The creation of multiple altcoins and subsequent failure is a necessary proof for the validity of a singular cryptocurrency.