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Critical Update: The conference has been cancelled. See http://bitcoin.org.il/files/Israel%20Bitcoin%20Conference%20Cancellation%20Notice.pdf.
Instead, we will be having a conference on October 19-20: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=734556

Hi all,

On July 28-29 we will be holding a Bitcoin conference in Tel Aviv, a joint work of the Israeli Bitcoin Association and Media Bistro's "Inside Bitcoins" brand. More details about the event are available at http://bitcointlv.com/.

We expect hundreds of people from around the world to participate, and we have ~30 confirmed speakers consisting of both Bitcoin's worldwide experts (including, for example, slush, Stefan Thomas and Vitalik Buterin) and Israel's local talent.

We're designing the conference to have something for everyone, with topics covering both Bitcoin's industry (businesses, start-ups, commerce, communities, regulation and authorities) and technology (core protocol, software, features, algorithms and academic research).

The tentative agenda is available on the site, but it is still actively developed with new sessions added and existing sessions being finalized.

The early bird registration price is $259 for the whole conference, though there are some discounted ticket options.

The deadline for enjoying the best rates will end soon, so make sure not to miss this opportunity to network, learn about developments in the Bitcoin world, and visit the Bitcoin empire that is Israel.

We're also looking for more sponsors for the event, so if this is relevant for your company you're welcome to contact our team to discuss the sponsorship opportunities.

I hope to see you all there!

what is the position of Israel right now about Bitcoin?
looks like you taking it really serious there..

Currently there are no Bitcoin-related guidlines or rules from Israeli authorities.

Looks great Meni, we'll be there!

Very cool, Meni!

Bump. The agenda (http://bitcointlv.com/en/Agenda/All-Sessions) has been updated with new great speakers and exciting sessions, including not only many respected Bitcoin experts but also higher-ups in Israel's government, including a member of the parliament and the director of research in Israel's central bank.

Only a few days are left to enjoy the current price point, so don't forget to purchase your ticket to this unique event!

This activity is good for the progress of bitcoin. however, Israil too much for me personally. took a long time and a huge cost to attend there, or is there a plane ticket with payment by bitcoin .. haha
but hopefully this until kenegara other states, and also my country so that I can also participate

Another important point is that the Hilton hotel will accept Bitcoin payments for reservations for the conference. You can also use a site like http://btctrip.com/ to pay with Bitcoin for a ticket.

great,, why do I have to know something as important as this. This further makes sure to bitcoin, thanks for the explanation. I will learn more, and hopefully I can keep up :)

Who would pay 500 bucks to hear a bunch of lying schmucks patting each other on the back?

You've actually got Tamar Zandberg the leftist, socialist, feminist Knesset member attending as well as Dr. Edward Aufnbenher of Bank of Israel. These are the very people that drove Israel to it's knees and you've invited them, they don't belong in the conference, all the invited members are psuedointellectuals at best trying to cannibalize the movement.

If you indeed cared at all about original innovation and wanted to see a lot of young, brilliant minds at the conference you'd do well to prevent these people from even attending, let alone giving speeches.

Keep being the slave of the Mossad/FBI (which are the slaves of the bankers) and see how far Bitcoin will get.

Oy, Vey! Conspiracy!

Fuck off.

How safe it travel in and around Tel Aviv these days? I planned a trip there in 2012 and had to cancel because a bomb exploded on a public bus in downtown Tel Aviv, causing several injuries and long-range rockets launched from Gaza reached as far north as Tel Aviv and southern Jerusalem. Israel has been on my bucket list for a long time and this would give me an excuse to go. Well this and Baha’i Gardens in Haifa, the mountain fortress of Masada etc.

Given the fact that Gaven has admitted to meeting with the FBI it's hardly a conspiracy, the average intellectual might even safely assume it to be fact.

Why run away? Those are your welcome gifts from good friends in gaza who don't care who their gifts land on ;)

Coward and a hypocrite, typical lol

Typical loud PoS noob, have you ever written a line of code in your life? How come you haven't been invited to the conference yet?

We are attempting to convey some points here, go troll somewhere else, nobody wants you here.

I am always surprised how safe Tel Aviv is when I visit. Walking the streets late at night in most of the city is fine, everything is open late anyways.

They call TA 'The Bubble', it doesn't feel like you are in a region with so much tension. It's beaches, bars, food, nightlife and socialising. Head to Jerusalem etc and things feel a bit different, but for tourists there are rarely problems. Masada, Dead Sea, Eilat, Caesaria are all amazing.

I won't be there in July but might head there in September. Hope the conference goes well.

LOL

Stay professional, fool.

Very good, I'm coming for vacation in Israel in the middle of July to the beginning Aorgust

Yay, the trolls are here!

It's $270 currently, not $500. Speakers are well-known Bitcoin experts, researchers and entrepreneurs.

You may not like their opinions, but being in positions of power they are able to affect the course of Bitcoin, it is important to educate them and to hear what they have to say.

It's safe. Before your post I barely remembered there's such a thing as terrorist attacks. I don't think there were any attacks in Tel Aviv after the one you mentioned.

That's really good to hear. If there's enough time to get things in order, I think I'm going to try to get to this one. Thanks!

As usual, a leftist ad hominem response with absolutely zero argument to speak of, just flinging insults and praying that one of them sticks. Why don't you go learn how to argue and then come back?

If a mod sees this, you need to ban Honeypot. All the responses from that account are just shit-flinging insults with zero substance.

:)

Too easy. Too easy. Maybe offer a rebuttal instead of calling someone a 'leftist' HAHA leftist me?

Bitcoin doesn't need anymore pseudo intellectual conspiracy theorists.

Is there a code to get the $259 price? On the page it says $270 and asks for a code. I am looking at flight options now for the conference. Thanks.

$259 was the early bird price. The price now is $270 and it will increase further after June 30. The price schedule is designed to discourage people from registering at the last moment, which makes organizing the conference very difficult.

Discount codes are mainly for members of the Israeli Bitcoin Association.

It's important to educate them not let them preach at our conference!

Straw man and logical fallacies are your last line of defense, people can see through your bullshit clear as day.

As they say in Israel if you sleep with dogs don't be surprised when you wake up with fleas! Keep inviting your rotten, criminal friends who have robbed millions blind, see how many "well known" entrepreneurs will show.

Offer a rebuttal to what? You did not put forth a single argument or even a premise. There is nothing to rebut. Once again, please go learn how to argue and come back when you have something of substance to say.

Are you really so stupid that you think "LOL, stay professional, fool" is an argument?

Let's see :)

Brining some half baked conspiracy AHHHH MOSSAD FBI into a topic about bitcoin conference in israel.

Does  that ring a bell?

Stay professional and do not deviate from the topic with useless inflammatory ignorance about conspiracy theories that does not add to the discussion at hand.

Any questions?

With people like these, who needs NSA to bring down crypto?

Yes, I have a question. When you label something with a dirty word, does that mean you made an argument? No, you still have no argument and nothing that can even be rebutted at all.

With idiots like you, why would central bankers need to hire shills?

So... Because 3% of the talk time is given to people whose main occupation is not Bitcoin and who may have a slightly different perspective, the conference totally sucks. Interesting logic.

Meanwhile, I don't mind the free bumps.

Again with the straw man, again with the logical fallacies. Instead of addressing my points you completely ignore them and make my claim seem to be something which it isn't.

Inviting those thieving degenerates is like inviting a Nazi to give a speech at gay pride.

Enjoy your free bumps.

VERY convenient thing to quote what you think can give you the only argument you can scrape up.

Are you actually going to argue for that inane and useless ignorant conspiracy theory tone or just try to say 'no u' when i called it out like it is? I made my point loud and clear and you couldn't even defend against it while cutting out someone else's post.

So weak, so easy.

On topic, this is a good news. Discuss.

Oh you. There you go again calling something a conspiracy theory without any argument that it is a conspiracy theory. Let me give you a lesson in arguing and show everybody how much of an idiot you really are.

Lesson #1
An argument = A statement + A justification

What you actually seem to think is this:
An argument = A statement

All you did was make the state that you believe something somebody said was a conspiracy. You gave absolutely no reasoning at all, and now you are trying to make me look manipulative because I only included the relevant part of your post. All you are doing is throwing ad hominems and unjustified statements around.

So manipulative, so evil.

HAHAHA so what 'justification' do they have to constantly go around getting mouthy about FBI HUURRRR MOSSSADD HUURRR? What, they in on the game and have some hard evidence to back it up? Of do you just browse wikipedia and think you 'know' anything about what goes on in clandestine agencies' business of history in general?

'Free speech' HAHAHAHAHA HOLY CHRIST tell it again.

Funny how everything you said is reiteration of what i said, and while my arguments are obviously pointing out the absurd nature of your ignorant behavior, you have nothing else other than to try and play 'no u!'.

If any of the above is not a half baked conspiracy clap trap, i don't know what is. It's as obvious as day light.

Another tip: Free speech does not guarantee your right to be heard or be attended to by an audience, and certainly does not protect you from being criticized or judged. All you have is that no one will (unfortunately considering you and any of the above have 0 experience with such business) put a gag in your mouth and chop off your fingers for writing such inane asinine comments. Above all, free speech definitely doesn't mean anyone's entitled to bitch and moan and be given acceptance. You are entitled and privileged to bitch and moan, not entitled to any kind of recognition for it. A point which many of these pseudo intellectuals have trouble grasping.

You kids and your half assed understanding of 'freedom'. :)

Edit: Nice job deleting your inane post just before mine.

LOL so easy.

Just keep referring back to your "arguments" that you never made. Anybody who bothers to read this and understands what an argument is can easily tell you are a liar of the worst kind. You've made a counter claim without any justification, called that an argument, and then you have the gall to come back and simultaneously try to redefine the word "argument" whilst claiming you don't even need an argument as long as you label something a conspiracy.

Your local community college is most likely offering Philosophy 101 or Into to Logic. I suggest you register and learn what an argument really is, and then come back. We'll be waiting...

I definitely wish the best if luck to the conference being held in israel - and i know you have a very direct method of dealing with uppity and overly comfortable mouth leftists like above who think they know anything. Better yet, send them to the palestinians!

They definitely know how to use such people. :)

Take note: Argument = Statement + justification.

I have provided my statement with a crystal obvious justification which you apparently needed explaining. So far you didn't address any of them and are dancing around with ear plugs :)

Also LOL @ 'community college'. You speaking from experience? I wouldn't know....unless you count those classes in 'philosophy' I took while i was in early high school at the local community college for credits more than two dozen years ago. A more severe waste of time I never experienced.

Reply to my clear arguments, or at least try to keep some dignity after you find an argument you happen to lose against :)

All you have said in this entire thread is: "That's a conspiracy theory."

You have given no argument for that assertion. All you did was point a finger.

Would you like to make an actual argument? If so, go ahead. We've been waiting on you all day long.

Oh, and you are prejudiced towards Palestinians? Get out of here, you hateful racist, and don't ever look back. Bitcoin doesn't need hateful bigots like you.

Leave the stupid fool alone, he's either a 16 year old Israeli or Tamar Zandberg/Edward Aufnbenher themselves. Put him on ignore to save yourself the brain cells.

To anyone reading this I encourage you NOT to visit the conference, the sole purpose of it is to weaken the movement, not strengthen it. Organizations and multi national corporations are preying on startups and attempting to sabotage them (as the Snowden leaks clearly showed), what makes you think this doesn't happen in Bitcoin (the most controversial project in the last 6 years)?

I have no doubt at the back of my mind that certain preying interest groups will be present, whether the Shabak or the Mossad I don't think that they will even have the decency to lie when/if they get caught. They will just claim that those are matters of national security (e.g. with all the kidnapping in Israel terrorists could demand payment in BTC) and about 99% of the scared Israeli sheeple will believe that it's justified.

Gavin has already admitted to meeting with the FBI, chances are that Meni got to see them as well. Don't fall prey to the state criminals and stay strong comrades.

No, the purpose of the conference is to strengthen Bitcoin, and in particular Bitcoin in Israel.

Maybe. And your point is?

I haven't met with the FBI, CIA, Mossad, Shabak or any suchlike.

So the Shabak and/or the Mossad would want to strengthen Bitcoin?

Very cool!

LOL

Nothing brightens up my day than some fool ass kids throwing words around like they mean something. What do you know about racism? Any straight thinking man can see how these middle eastern and south east asian shit skins are trying to manipulate world opinion and moral standards to their own racial and ethnic advantage, transparent as hell.

Go fantasize some more.

I don't know what they want to do. Why does it matter? They don't have any influence over the conference.

You are the worst person on this entire website. Get out now and hope that we forget about you.

So this shit has been canceled?

in the future they will have the same rules as in the US  :P

If anyone is planning to attend this, rather than call for a boycott, I'd urge you to also donate to the Red Cross and / or Amnesty International. I think boycott would just do more to damage BTC than anything else.
They both do great work (and are probably the biggest 'unaligned' charities active there) to help and highlight those hurt by the heavy bombardments from the current conflict and past ones too.
 
http://www.icrc.org/eng/donations/index.jsp
Amnesty.org

sadly they dont accept BTC yet, but Im sure if some of the rich BTC elite can afford to put aside fiat bias for a few mins to help out here.  ;)

Either you are ignorant of the irony of your post or you are putting out propaganda. Israel is one the most racist countries and the world unbeknownst to many (they need it that way for the veil they have over the sheeple).

Here are some facts

"The citizens of the Israeli-Arab communties pay taxes to the state at the same rate as do members of the Jewish communities. In alotting grants to municpalities for the improvement of health or educational services, however, there is open discrimination against the Arabs. Per capita payments by the ministry of Interior to Jewish municipalities average from 10.50$ to 18.00$ per year, while like payments to Arab communities average only 1.50$ to 4.50$ per year." - Ma'ariv (israeli newspaper), February 13, 1975

"Boaz Evron says, "Ben-Gurion hoped that by troubling the Arabs of Israel and causing them distress, he could force them to leave the country by their own free will." Yediot Ahronot (Tel Aviv daily newspaper), April 1st, 1975

Why would you think that? Things are moving forward as planned.

Aren't large gatherings in tel-aviv contrary to the guidelines dictated by the state given the situation with the bombings?

Current guidelines apply only to cities up to 40km from the Gaza strip, Tel Aviv is outside this range - there's plenty of time to get to shelter; and that's assuming the whole thing doesn't blow over by then.

Sorry Meni, I jinked you by asking about the safety of Tel Aviv. Something does not want me to go to Israel before I die. Well, maybe next time.

So get out there man! Push some social media awareness, find a rich bitcion person to fund some leaflets and hand them out, pester merchants and get a group going - which becomes an organisation and etc etc I'd imagine many S Am countries would take to BTC very well. I know a few Mexican guys working here in EU who send money back home but they didnt know about how easy it would be with BTC. I bet they arent the only ones...

First rule of bitcoin is: you talk about bitcoin

Yeah :) But AFAIK flights aren't cancelled yet, and I do urge you to consider coming anyway:

1. Hopefully things will be better in 2 weeks.
2. Tel Aviv is protected by Iron Dome and statistically, I think getting hit by a missile is less likely than being in a car accident. Most of us just ignore alarms. For those who are more risk-averse, Tel Aviv is pretty distant from Gaza, there's 1.5 minutes to get to shelter which is more than enough.

There you go again, overstepping your authority by asking a question, a question that needed not be asked of a peaceful nation like Israel, for their neighbors know better than to even consider flying a single drone over them, let alone shooting rockets in their direction.

Tel Aviv will be just fine during the conference, doubting if even one siren goes off sans for testing. Until the day comes where Israel recalls every ambassador from their embassies from every country in the world, one need not worry about the state of affairs of Israel.

Satire, with apologies to Meni.

You're right, maybe a lot of people will be just afraid about Bitcoin, a lot of unsecurity inside the country you know, but at least i'll give a try, who knows how far can we get...

All the clever explanations in the world wouldn't convince me.  It is a fucking war with bombs going off.  No matter what level of 'hey, everything is OK via Iron Dome', I am happy I cancelled my trip.  Israel is a god-damned war zone surrounded by people who swear they will wipe it from the map.  Not a great place to visit for business if you're asking me.

I think political situation is not good enough in Israel. So i think they should think again about this conference.

Hey Bruno! How've you been? I've been worried about you.

not going to Isreal! not supporting anything Isreali. sorry, I don't like to work with Nazi v 2.0

Your lack of grammar and clearly intelligence likely means that your financial intelligence is non-existent as well which would lead any logical person to assume you have no money to support or not support Israel to begin with.

Protest Israel for killing of innoncent peoples of Palestines.

Indeed indeed

along the terrorists hundreds of innoncent peoples are killed.
There is a way to fight with terrorism bro.

You do know we've been working hard on this conference for the past 6 months, right? We'd need a good reason to throw our efforts down the drain.

Come on, it will be a blast!

SCNR. I just hope you'll reconsider.

There would probably be thousands of innocents killed on the Israeli side as well if Israel would build fancy hotels for the press instead of purchasing iron dome.


Poor choice of words.

It was a pun, meant in a humorous way. With a hidden message that the whole thing should be taken lightly, there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

You're making fun of my grammar skills while writing a never-ending sentence? LOL Irony is a mother-fucker.
You determined that i have no money by reading one sentence? LOL. You sir, are a full retard!

You mean the never-ending sentence that may, or may not, require a comma that ended with a period?


Ironically, you paraphrased FDR (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/07/opinion/la-oe-medoff-roosevelt-holocaust-20130407) (follow link) in an attempt to describe a double entendre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre).

TBC, I have no horse in this race, no qualms with the Jewish nation, and wish the conference, if it takes place, all the best. Rumor has it, it'll be a blast!  ;D

I wonder if Israel's policies will be similar to the US's.

Let us know how it goes...Your fee should be in btc

I'd love to go.  I'm truly fascinated with the old world.  As far as the current conflict, you pick the biggest guy in the room, throw a rock at him and then cry inhumanity when he caves your face in.  Not working for me.  Hamas set up Palestinians to die the same as if they pulled the trigger themselves.  This incessant parading of injured and dead children, while horribly sad, is disgustingly familiar Hamas methods of operation. 

Payment with Bitcoin is of course possible. The price is denominated in USD because the Bitcoin rate is still too volatile - lately it's been ok but if the rate doubles tomorrow the ticket price shouldn't double as well.

Looking forward to seeing you.

this should be boycotted on humanitarian grounds not just personal safety issues.
I believe most people will, as the World at large is disgusted,not with the majority of the Israeli people, but the Zionist, Apartheid regime.

http://fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/four-panel-map.jpg

Thanks Meni, but that is what I am afraid of. 

Palestinian propaganda at it's finest, completely disregarding the fact that the jewish settlers came from Europe to escape discriminations and bought land in an honest manner. The arabs have laughed when jews bought off disease ridden swamps at the middle of the desert at crazy prices but when massive immigration of the jews to the newly bought land began the palestianians saw it as the occupation of their land and attacked, this process repeated multiple times with the jews winning and the Israeli state growing after every jewish victory.

Right, the arabs living in israel are all afraid of jews and looking over their shoulder at night going to the money machine because a jew lurking in the corner is going to stick em up.

Quit crying. Your slanted ignorance and attitude driven ulterior motive is showing with selective cherry picking.


HAHAHAHA bitch out right here.

What's the matter, can't handle being called out?

agree 100%
Boycotting everything from there.

Everyone knows the truth. Ever wonder why the hate?

Anti-Semites are just not rational thinkers.

AAaaaand here it is. the Anti-Semitic card. That was just on Q.



One of my favorite human beings is Jewish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0CulhsQkTA


oh.. and Einstein was Jewish and this is what he said, and of course, I love him too.  You on the other hand, go on keep calling me names simply  because I'm against an apartheid state. Cheers bud.

Oh, I forgot to mention! My mother is jewish, so i guess I'm half? 
anyway, I'm done talking to you. Clicking ignore. 

http://researchome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Isp3.jpg

Are we on the same page?
If we were Israel, we would not let terrorists terrorize us, yes?

HAHA picks einstein as if politics is his forte.

Weak.

I agree with others on this one I boycott israhell and there products also I hope all israhells companies fail and go bankcrupt bloody murderers who murder innocent children. Poor kids were playing football on the beach and got killed because of israhell idiots.

Israel accepts an Egyptian-proposed Gaza ceasefire; Hamas keeps firing. Hamas deliberately aims rockets at civilians.

From all the videos ive seen hamas rockets dont even reach israel and the ones landed werent even harmful no casualties. Other the other side israel rockets murdered women,children,elders and even hospitals rehabs were destroyed etc etc mate im not into war and politcal stuff but God damn im a human and I value human life and id speak out for any human lifes lost whether its palestinian children or eric garner who got killed by the nypd cops.

LOL so someone's a lousy shot that makes them innocent? Because their rockets are weak they are not culpable? They gladly suicide bomb civilians and when was the last time christians can freely worship without being killed or paying taxes to muslims?

You and the rest of these bandwagoning mulsim sympathizing cowards are just a bunch of easily manipulated fools who think they can try to play at being a rebel. You are so pathetic that you would scrape together any remotely plausible excuse and try to convince yourself about lies you sing in your head to make you feel better.

Get the picture? Scram boy/

So does this mean that bitcoin is adding Israel to it's now two-country long ban list? :-p

We should not ban anyone. I'm just not going to support

I am sure both sides of the conflict give a shit about you or any 'activist' or 'supporters' bleeting from the comfort of the 1st world living room.

HAHA you can't make this shit up. Check yourselves you are getting embarrassing.

Obviously Einstein didn't really say that. See for example http://skepticaesoterica.com/debunking-fake-albert-einstein-quotes/. Everyone loves to put words in his mouth, without any sort of reliable source, to gain credibility.

Anyway, you are all entitled to your own political agenda (even if a bogus one), but please leave Bitcoin out of it. Bitcoin transcends all this senseless hatred.

If your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish.

Jewish identity is related to one's maternal relations. Meaning if your wife is jewish, your children are jewish.

Meh...
 
I'm a human against occupation.

Greetings fellow conciencious objectors ! :)

Here is a prime example of how bias and dishonest the lamestream zionist run media is.

President Ahmadinejad Meets Neturei Karta Rabbis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-r04SQ97_Q

yea.. and then there is this;
go ahead, call them anti-Semiteshttp://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.440227.1340290657!/image/4024286612.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/4024286612.jpg! go ahead!

You people have turned a Bitcoin conference announcement into a sociopolitical religious debate! Seriously? Seriously?

Lots of people are engaged into Bitcoin for sociopolitical reasons (Who's funding Israel (and its colonization process) other than the US Dollar?). So don't be surprised to find other people "polluting" your little toy with menial considerations like that.

Regrettably, the conference has been postponed. As of yesterday I still believed we were able to make a great conference despite the situation, but the developments today with regards to flights, and the resulting cancellations, pretty much put the final nail in the coffin.

The official announcement is at http://bitcoin.org.il/files/Israel%20Bitcoin%20Conference%20Cancellation%20Notice.pdf.

I am truly sorry it turned out this way despite my earlier outspoken optimism.

sorry to hear about it Meni - but you've got to admit, you're a fucking wierdo trying to hold such an event in a war zone.  TelAviv just isn't suitable for business.  That's a fact.  Won't be for another 50 years.  If you guys don't smash every last one of those Palestinians, they are going to come back at you like cockroaches over and over again.  Maybe move to TelAviv West (Manhattan)?  At least they haven't had a serious attack in 12 years.

Thank God it cancelled Israhell is a bloody war zone which of course they themselves have turned into a living hell by attacking innocent civilians with rockets and what not. what you reap is what you sow and isahell will never be able to become a state acceptable by anyone. The funny thing is today Swedish government did not let the president of israhell fly by Sweden or even use there airspace as the israelis are scums.

woohooo

Link!? that's pretty cool

It makes sense the airport was closed for a while because of the rocket strikes and right now a war is pretty much going on
Another time

Are you fucking crazy?  Those Hamas assholes killed 3 teenagers.  I don't care how fucking much you don't like Israel, there is going to be a serious backlash when you decide to take lives like that.  I say, let the Jews open fire on the sons of bitches.  Everyone has a right to defend themselves - even if you don't like Jews, they sure the fuck don't have to stand by and take that shit from Gaza.  Time to bulldoze all of Gaza.  The place is a nothing more than a raging hell hole dump anyway.

I know right. Heres the link http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/11451-sweden-refuses-israeli-presidents-plane-entry-into-its-airspace

No 3 teenagers were killed thats false info. And even if they were bombing and killing 1000 because of that is what only a retard state can do and thats israhell. They live on american aid and waste american citizens hard earned tax money on bombs and weapons.

Are you fucking crazy?  Those Hamas assholes killed 3 teenagers.  I don't care how fucking much you don't like Israel, there is going to be a serious backlash when you decide to take lives like that.  I say, let the Jews open fire on the sons of bitches.  Everyone has a right to defend themselves - even if you don't like Jews, they sure the fuck don't have to stand by and take that shit from Gaza.  Time to bulldoze all of Gaza.  The place is a nothing more than a raging hell hole dump anyway.
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That would be a dream...carpet bomb all of Gaza once and for all! Maybe Israelis could live without constant terror for a little while.

I'll admit no such thing. We do business in Tel Aviv and Israel just like everywhere else.

We've also had many Bitcoiners travel here (see for example some guest lectures (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29nj0z/politics_and_the_bitcoin_protocol_peter_todd_may/) we've had) and they always love it here.

It is usually very safe here. True, once in a while we have more troubled times, like now - but even then it shouldn't be blown out of proportion, the risk isn't bigger than what you're taking when driving a car. And of course, the fact of the matter is that people do have conferences and all kinds of other business here.

The airport wasn't closed - flights are still allowed (and encouraged) from our side, and I do believe many flights are still happening.

Now that this thread is about kittens, I'll allow myself to join the mudfight.

There are facts and there is propaganda. It's usually pretty clear which is which. The facts are:

1. The status quo is that the Palestinian leadership is using the available funding for combat measures rather than building civilian infrastructure, causing their population to live in terrible conditions.
2. Hamas has, without provocation, abducted and murdered 3 teenagers.
3. We've retaliated to clarify this is unacceptable. Hamas is deliberately putting civilians at risk during these attacks.
4. We're constantly seeking a truce, and Hamas constantly rejects it.
5. We're handling everything with velvet gloves. Our restraint is the paragon of countries everywhere. If someone did to the US what the Hamas does to us, they'd be crushed into little cubes.

Could we do the Jesus thing and turn the other cheek? Maybe... But there is such a thing as being too nice.

That would be a dream...carpet bomb all of Gaza once and for all! Maybe Israelis could live without constant terror for a little while.
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Typical: genocide or mass displacement of a poor and occupied people is the solution? Only if you don't see the other side as human.
Yes, Palestinian extremists (and some others) have called for a similar fate for Israel; are you comfortable having the same moral standard as those people?
Not all Palestinians are terrorists, plenty of Pal's suffer at the hands of Hamas etc. Not all Israelis are supporters of the occupation and attacks, plenty protest this. Simplistic arguments and attitudes simply serve to continue spreading ignorance and therefore hate and hostilities. Thank god for the internet breaking down the tradition of ignorance, slowly but surely.
https://twitter.com/Za1d/status/490667619624570880/photo/1

Also, I'd genuinely be interested in seeing some independent reports/evidence that it was Hamas that killed the 3 kids that triggered the latest offensive attacks. I'm honestly not trolling, but when this event is used as a justification I personally would like to see the details of it. It wouldn't be the first time a trigger event was based on lies/misinfo/misinterpretation etc

this conference is CANCELLED

http://www.coindesk.com/israeli-bitcoin-conference-postponed-due-gaza-crisis/

This is the only right decision.

Who knows israel will be wiped off the map before the next conference as thats what they deserve. Palestinians gave a little land to the jews back in the day to live on and those unthankful slaves took over more than half the country. If hitler was alive the world of been such a better place, loved what he did to these jokers back in the day.

Are you serious when you're saying that a certain group among the humans, the jews, needs to be eradicated?

Have you for a second thought of the value of human life? Or is the fact that as long as something does not affect you, it does not matter what so ever?

Isn't the real problem here the warmongering extremists on both sides and not the common man in both groups? I believe most humans wants to live in a safe environment where they can go about their lives without having the fear of being killed.

I think a very simple solution to most questions in life would be: "How would you feel if somebody did it against you?"

So to DonDev: How would you feel if an extermination squad came to your house, and started to kill the people you love. Alternatively, if there exist no people to love, they dragged you away, started to torture you, and remove your nails, then started to chop of bodyparts, and evenutally toss you into an oven, would you prefer and welcome such a treatment? What about being outright shot, or even gassed? Would you enjoy this?

If the answer to this is no, then how come you wish this upon other humans?

I look forward to your replies.

you have to live in that mind and body, I pity you if you actually believe that.

this opinion aside....



The Palestinians need some humanity and support from the World and this madness from Israel has to end. I think a lot of right-minded Israelis are against the neocon government and apartheid regime but like Americans they have an equally shit government and always do. Makes no difference which way you vote. Obama and Bush, both scum and what they have done.Certainly overseas and worldwide, the overwhelming opinion is against this fascist regime, both America & Israel. thats the reality. It's sad as I personally know hundreds of the coolest people in America.

That's the great irony, the horrific crimes against the Jewish people that were perpetuated in WW2, happened, and is understandable they want to become safe etc. However they have a monstrous government that has tentacles all over the world that creates so much war and death to 'protect' a few.
It's like the abused became the abuser.

either way Palestinians can't win, surrounded by concrete, most land gone, no supplies, no airforce, no military, no army. of course terrorism will flourish in an environment like this, where they can' leave by air or sea, hospitals and schools bombed. even their national football team were arrested illegally by israel, visas snatched, imprisoned. every Palestinian is a terrorist in the eyes of the Israeli government. plus if someone killed just one child in your family like this, what would people do? one family lost 18 children I think other day in Palestine.

anyways, I think what is happening now with mass boycotts all over the world of Israeli products will start to get message across.

It was slow with south africa but got there in end with this process.

You are a dis-service to the anti zionist/fascist movement and an embarrassment to humanity.

Shitler was brought to power by the zionists ! DUMBASS !

http://www.corbettreport.com/who-funded-hitler-questions-for-corbett-008/

http://www.maebrussell.com/About%20Mae%20Brussell/Mind%20of%20Adolf%20Hitler.html

edit II

Shitler and the central banks --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWcTAOjkEik

Oh shut up you dumbass. You have no clue what your talking about and stop linking these fake links if you sit on the internet to gather facts I feel sorry for you.






And those who are saying what Hitler did was against humanity well I agree on that but how about israelis torturing muslims like the holocaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94PbUEPF7ro

There are thousands of videos I can show of israelis torturing palestinians far worse than what hitler did and you are telling me to calm down. Hell no  Hitler did the right thing with these retards who are killing 300-400 palestinians before breakfast everyday.

We bought the land. We paid top dollar for worthless swamps, and worked hard to drain them and make them livable. The Arabs were envious of our success, much like a small child who only wants a toy when he sees another one playing with it. They attacked unprovoked, and we retaliated, repeating ad infinitum.

The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

If hamas is so bad how come they won the elections with a clear majority? Please answer this if you claim they are against there own state and civilians.

WARNING ! MOST ZIONISTS ARE NOT JEWISH ! Most zionist/fascists are in fact, christian rednecks hell bent on self fullfilling their story board/ bible prophecies.

Do you wish to wipe them off the map aswell ?

God's people MY ASS !

I can only guess why they do what they do, or why the people condone them. But power-hungry leaders swaying their population is not unheard of.

Probably the same reason when countries ran by dictators, they still have elections every year, and win.

Thanks for the pointer, and kudos for using colored coins, but I think I'll hold on to my soul for the time being.

"We bought the land. "

Some land was bought, but certainly not all of it. Even the parts that were purchased legitimately have some contentious aspects to it (). Most (if not all) purchases took place before the large scale post WW2 divisions of the land (remember the area was part of British colony at this stage NOT Arab controlled).
Most of the talking points around the land these days are due to Israel illegally taking and settling on more and more new land and not adhering to the legal and intl recognised 1967 borders.
I'm sure there were plenty of perfectly legit purchases of land from Arabs and Ottomans etc back in the pre WW2 days but to suggest that all land that was Palestine that Israel now holds is legitimately owned because of simple land purchases is really pushing it.
This is a really oversimplified reply to a hugely complex issue, but if you browse wikipedia (like these pages i found in 5 seconds), its a good starting point to see how complex the issue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_the_British_mandate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/24/israel-borders-indefensible-netanyahu-aipac
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.589343).
Also I know that there were plenty of calls from Palestinian sides at various times to not accept even the '67 borders. But usually by the extremists etc who just want Israel gone - who have various levels of support but overall are the minority (no more than the amount of extreemists in Israel/USA who have equally extreme views for example).

Disclaimer: Just to note that I fully support the right of Israel to exist and live in peace etc but I also think Palestinians deserve the same; no more or less (equality is the path to peace). I grew up in UK/Ireland during the 'IRA terrorist years' and there are many parallels. I dont think digging up these old arguments of who has the right to this land and that land serves any purpose anymore because that part of the world has gone through a lot of changes in the last 100+ years alone so its become pointless. There were plenty of Jews there before Israel existed, it is their home and rightly so - equally true for Palestinians IMHO (equality is the path to peace). My feeling is that the best hope for peace is for Israel to move back to the '67 borders, to leave Palestinian territories alone and relinquish any controls over it and let UN/Intl bodies govern Palestine until it can get rid of Hamas and those types and install a more moderate government. Both sides will accept the 67 borders, I think, and I doubt there are many people in Israel that would like their state to take a break from occupying West bank and Gaza + have some peace, rather than continue to expand the settlements just to take it all, no?

"The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields."
Well, in that case I guess you believe that Palestinian militants have the same level of weaponry as Israel in order to cause a proportionate amount of damage and casualties (i.e. it just so happens that Israel has an Iron Dome and Hamas does not)? How many airfighters, helicopters, tanks, submarines, nukes does Palestinians have? Even skipping that - how many Hamas rockets have explosive/shrapnel/chemical capabilities (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12939-israel-uses-illegal-weapons-in-gaza) *cough illegal weaponry*?
When Hamas entered Israel that ONE time recently through a tunnel, did they manage to cause any civilian casualties before getting killed?
If HAmas could kill more Israelis, I'm sure they would, but they arent able to - Israel is one of the largest and strongest armies in the world and quite easily defends itself against Hamas - probably more easily in this conflict than any other - because Hamas has hardly any modern military equipment. Saying that the ONLY reason Hamas rockets are not causing more casualties is because of the Iron dome is giving Hama's weaponry and capability way too much credit.

Maybe your saying more Palestinians die because Israel doesnt use human shields and Hamas does? Most people know Israel will strike at buildings and people it deems to be targets irregardless of their civilian purpose/status  (report posted recently: http://blogs.channel4.com/miller-on-foreign-affairs/gazas-humanitarian-disaster-trapped-gaza/1148 http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/gazas-alshifa-hospital/24224 also UN facilities hit: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/world/middleeast/16mideast.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0).
If Hamas are doing it to try to deter Israel strikes, its not working. If they are doing it to get propaganda material they are pretty desperate - and in the end, Gaza is a densely populated area so large scale attacks are going to cause large scale civilian casualties (700+ dead today, about 75% civilian according to UN) and if one is really concerned about saving innocent bystanders then one doesnt shoot at hospitals anyway to save oneself and endanger many others at the same time - EVEN IF it was the intent of the bad guy in the first place to use human shields and it is endangering oneself. If Israel knows HAmas will use innocents as shields, then Israel should, IMHO, try to find another solution (in this case ONLY by sending in ground troops to take out rockets and fighters with precision, not dropping massive bombs in residential areas). Pretty normal moral standard, really.
Dont get me wrong, Hamas shouold not be doing this, its illegal and really disgusting. But they are doing it, so what should Israel (assuming it is the moral superior) do differently then? Just continue anyway with bombing...?

In the end there are some reports of Israel committing human shield crimes... so it might not be black and white, as usual.
http://rt.com/news/israel-torture-palestinian-children-004/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html
If I get more time at some point ill post more / better info. but its out there if you look. Assume neither side is innocent and keep seeking the info.

And I'm not taking sides, even though to a proIsrali it must seem so (see last link at bottom). I deeply condone the human rights violations committed on both sides, as does any decent person. I believe equality of treatment and equality of all human rights is the only way to peace, its just that one side has almost all the support and the might of the biggest superpower in history, which means media + economic + military + political support... Palestinians have a tiny fraction of this and it shows.

OK, I'm done posting about this I'm getting tired and run out of time and so im sure no one is even reading it any more, so ill sign off on this (hopefully forever now) - the info is out there people. Do not believe me or anyone else, find it out for yourself. Assume everyone has a bias and cast a wide net when gathering info to form an opinion. No one is telling the full truth or knows everything about what is happening or what has happened. Just keep seeking info from everywhere and think things through to a logical conclusion or as close as one can. I'm certainly learning more every day and I've been following this horrible topic for decades, but as bad as it seems it is a lot better every year in terms of people getting educated and improved media openness.
Sorry for all the long posts in this thread and others, but it deserves more than flipquips. Equality = peace.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48330#.U9DDqPmSxUo

As anyone who has read the discussion in my vanity thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121314) knows, I have no interest in politics or foreign affairs. I don't watch the news and while obviously I hear about the important stuff from my environment, I barely paid heed to the current situation in Israel before it started affecting my conference. Because of this I do not know, or care to learn or discuss, all the details of this issue which is, as you correctly state, extremely complicated. I also don't really treat the haters here very seriously, so I was satisfied with providing simplistic answers that explain the key counterpoints to the questions raised here.

Despite the length of your post and despite my general disinterest, I did read it fully because you have clearly made an effort to explore the subject in depth.

I won't address all of your points, I'll just say that Israel is indeed the big guy, and that I think it shows the restraint this position mandates. This point is carried across by this caricature (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152612146663594&set=pcb.10152612150493594&type=1&theater) by my favorite cartoonist from childhood. Israel's government and military - both the official policies and the individuals within it - are not saints, but they are making a great effort to maintain moral standards in impossible situations.

Surely you mean "condemn". The meaning is obvious here but you want to be careful with typos that reverse the meaning.

Thanks for the correction, yes I did mean condemn! Sorry I was in a rush posting this.

" I don't watch the news and while obviously I hear about the important stuff from my environment, I barely paid heed to the current situation in Israel before it started affecting my conference. Because of this I do not know, or care to learn or discuss...I'll just say that Israel is indeed the big guy, and that I think it shows the restraint this position mandates"

I respect your prerogative to remain disconnected and detached for the situation, it's a hugely depressing one after all. I won't try to convince you otherwise, but all I will say that all our governments do wrong, some more than others, and it's our responsibility as tax payers to make sure we keep an eye on how they spend our money - after all we hired them, whether voting for the elected or not. It is a slippery slope when people let politicians run the country without the people taking an interest; its how many horrible regimes slip into office, become more powerful and convince nations to go to war or ignore their other crimes etc etc. There are plenty of examples in our not-too-distant history. The more people that question and objectively assess their governments the better they behave.

And in regard to the cartoon, that is your perception of the situation and that is fair enough, I appreciate you sharing it and your context. I won't try to convince you to agree with me, I'll just state my perspective on what you posted:)

As I said Israel could easily blow Palestine (and most nations in the region) into dust with their nukes and other weapons (that Palestinian groups do not have access to), so it depends on your interpretation of restraint and what is proportional.
To me the actions of Israel on Palestinian people are far from restrained in general and in this latest conflict, the latter illustrated by this cartoon (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9VzCStIc9yU/UKnR5tGLC-I/AAAAAAAADzw/zctIyLccbes/s400/gaza%2B2.jpg) which sums up my opinion in similar way... and this conflict is the most pronounced in terms of disproportion of destruction / military difference I've seen in a long time.
Even by looking at the latest death toll today (900~1000+ Pals, 60-75% civ's to 38 Israeli, 3 civ's) and looking at the pictures  (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/76537000/jpg/_76537496_76537495.jpg)and films / reports of the areas that were bombed by IDF makes me wonder about how Israel would act if it were less restrained:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28498803
http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/humanitarian-ceasefire-dig-bare-hands/1298
In the end, shooting at civilian areas with a massive arsenal is going to cause large numbers of civilian casualties. If the shooter cared about innocent deaths, a less destructive method to hit military targets would be used - which I'm sure the world  (http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli.html)would not object  (http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48330#.U9DDqPmSxUo)to.
Both sides shoot at civilian areas, so any restraint exorcised by one side or the other would be seen in how they go about their operations and the resulting death tolls (Im sure Hamas take no care at all with any civilians, but IMHO there is no sign that Israel tries to avoid any Palestinian deaths either, which is evidenced by the UN facilities, Hospitals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACgwr2Nj_GQ), schools etc that have been hit, so therefore are no better than Hamas).

You're clearly a good & intelligent person (you're organising a BTC conf!), I genuinely respect your right to your differing views on all of this, and I don't want to divert this thread any further, but I do hope that this current situation would spark in you a push to take an interest in what is happening to the people in the world close to you. Thanks

Final-final words: Equality for Palestinians & Israelis = peace.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Their ONLY job in life is capturing and killing 3 Israeli children last month !!! This *MUST* be REVENGED !!!

The conflict is very sad. All I see is humans killing humans. And the cause of this is evil humans. If the evil humans were stopped, it would all stop. No normal people want to live in a state of war. I would not point the finger and take side in the conflict, but every person actively contributing to the conflict through bad actions is to blame. I feel sorry for all the people that have to endure this, esp. for the children who do not deserve to live in such a violent world. They deserve love and peace.

And I would say, no matter how angry you become, step aside and consider whether continued aggression and conflict is productive and constructive.

I do think that any conflict should be resolved by peaceful talks in todays society, and everyone can never be 100% satisfied, so there have to be compromises. Unfortunately it's the way of the few that ruins life for the many - this is very sad.

I'm very sad that all of this is happening, and there's nothing I can do. And there's been a conflict for many years, and it's not likely it's going to stop anytime soon. Life's too short - and humans waste it on a large scale. So sad.

Going back to the original thread topic for a bit, I'm happy to announce that the conference will now take place on October 19-20. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=734556 and the conference website http://bitcointlv.com/.