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“I’m thinking of joining the Army,” he told his folks after ­already having signed up.

Bergdahl’s dream was to help Afghan villagers rebuild their lives and learn to defend themselves, his dad told the magazine.
“The whole ‘COIN’ thing,” Bob explained, referring to America’s strategy of counter-insurgency. “We were given a fictitious picture, an artificially created picture of what we were doing in ­Afghanistan,” the dad said.

Bowe Bergdahl would detail his disillusionment with the Afghanistan campaign in an email to his parents three days before he went missing.

“I am sorry for everything here,” he wrote. “These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid.”
Bergdahl also complained about fellow soldiers. The battalion commander was a “conceited old fool,” he said, and the only “decent” sergeants, planning to leave the platoon “as soon as they can,” told the privates — Bergdahl then among them — “to do the same.”

“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,” he concluded. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”

Bob Bergdahl responded in an email: “OBEY YOUR CONSCIENCE!”

One night, after finishing a guard-duty shift, Bowe Bergdahl asked his team leader whether there would be a problem if he left camp with his rifle and night-vision goggles — to which the team leader replied “yes.”

Bergdahl then returned to his bunker, picked up a knife, water, his diary and a camera, and left camp, according to Rolling Stone.

The next morning, he was reported missing, and later that day, a drone and four fighter jets ­began to search for him.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/31/the-bizarre-tale-of-americas-last-known-pow/




http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mixed-reaction-to-bergdahls-recovery-by-service-members-who-consider-him-a-deserter/2014/06/01/3713e3ce-e9c5-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html


https://i.imgur.com/GFqIugg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/m5EbRJ6.png

http://youtu.be/XeUqBNtWpig

I am not sure about the authenticity of those tweets. They could be so easily faked, or can be made under duress. But still, releasing some of the world's most infamous terrorists for just one soldier is retarded. The US Army lost dozens of its men during attempts to capture them.

Looks like a case study in Stockholm syndrome. And remember, Dad is playing a game with the Taliban. He just want's his son back and if that means letting the Taliban think they are winning hearts and minds, so be it. That doesn't make Sgt. Bergdahl a traitor. Most of us would crack after years of captivity.

One of the soldiers in his unit sent a $500 donation to this podcast so they would read his letter on air.

In the letter he says Berghahl deserted his unit during a shift change, and that 12 U.S. troops died trying to find him.

Fast-forward to 5 minutes, 55 seconds:

http://mp3s.nashownotes.com/NA-622-2014-06-01-Final.mp3

This sucks because any kid dumb enough to join the military can formally quit and go home after they get in and see what's really going on.

From:  Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak's No Agenda Show:  http://www.noagendashow.com

As far as everyone knows this account was not hacked or faked. It is the father's account.

https://i.imgur.com/54yl26G.png

http://twitchy.com/2014/05/31/working-to-free-all-guantanamo-prisoners-tweet-from-account-of-released-soldiers-father-deleted/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

That's the weird part. Was he deserting? Where would he go? Surely he knew that he could not get out of the country on his own. I wonder if he had some kind of breakdown or psychotic episode that inspired him to leave base. It was a crazy move.

His intention was clear before "vanishing". His father gave him the push when replying (in all cap) "obey your conscious" like it is said in the NY Post article.

Thank you for the podcast. They even talk about "Operation Choke Point too"...

Perhaps that is what happened. The father wanted his son home, at any means possible. The Taliban / Al Qaeda are infamous for their barbaric torture methods. Makes the family members of the victims to do odd things.

The reaction to Sgt. Bergdahl's story has in large part been one of unwarranted skepticism. Granted, there are details we do not know and may never know, the truth is that he was a POW. And even if he was disillusioned with the US's operation, he still deserved to be saved, just like any other POW. You can't pick and choose POW's to save based on their blind devotion to an operation that they can asses best on the ground.

I hear what your saying and you may be right, but why not leave active service? He could have easily asked the Army for conscientious objector status. But trying to walk home, if that was his intention, is suicide. 

You're welcome.  Curry & Dvorak are expert at deconstructing mainstream media lies because they both have four decades of experience in that industry.

Caveats to Be Wary Of:

- They are completely ignorant of Austrian economics.  Dvorak is a committed Keynesian, despite being ignorant of what that even is.

- Dvorak is disingenuous.  He was a professional troll for most of his career.  He still sometimes is.

- Curry lies about being anti-Bitcoin.  After listening to one of the vicious anti-Bitcoin rants he used to spew, I offered to drive to his house and give him a 20% premium in cash money to buy every Bitcoin he possessed.  He refused, and still holds them.

That being said, they offer a media deconstruction you won't find elsewhere.  Use discernment.  Keep my caveats in mind while listening.

But the question was whether his life was more important than dozens of other American soldiers? Check the number of soldiers who died trying to capture all those Al Qaeda terrorists.

Army Sergeant Who Served With Bergdahl: “He’s At Best A Deserter, At Worst A Traitor”…

http://youtu.be/ncXq1bBGtp0

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Signed NDA (Non disclosure agreement) for soldiers regarding Bergdahl? What?

...Daddy is tweeting and retweeting...


https://i.imgur.com/9qxSzjU.png

That Link is About Taliban Bragging About Murder Of U.S Troops In Attack On U.S Base

https://i.imgur.com/3f2WZV9.png

...Daddy is sad about twitter and the taliban's free speech

https://i.imgur.com/EmD8PPP.jpg


What a great family. No doubt his son is a hero... ::)

Completely false.  Please edit your post to delete this misinformation.

I am going to with hold judgement. These kinds of things can affect people in different ways. I am glad he is free, I just wish we hadn't released hard core terrorists in the process.

It would be more constructive to add to the discussion links and proofs of that "misinformation". Unless you have forum post deletion super powers...

State Dept: Bergdahl Was Not a Deserter


http://youtu.be/DT3HrSGl_9g

He's just making up nonsense, the burden of proof is his.  He should edit his post to remove the misinformation.

Bergdahl was not a deserter. He was a poor, young kid, who went to Afghanistan to fight the bankers wars. Should have found another job in the first place, rather than chosing to die for the politicians and the wall street demons.

Go read:  http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/getout.htm

While not as simple as just going AWOL, it's better to leave legally.

I purposely try to hire men who were smart enough to realize the U.S. military is a banker protection scam.

I purposely do NOT hire men who were so stupid they did a stretch without learning that fact.

Everyone should go through this.

Bowe Bergdahl was traded for 5 Taliban commanders. Here’s who they are

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-was-traded-for-5-taliban-commanders-heres-who-they-are/

It seems like the man may have been a little nuts even before he left his base. Nevertheless, he's clearly a hero. Like his parents he was always opposed to American imperialism and supported the struggle of the Afghan people for freedom. The only reason he enlisted to begin with was because he thought he could help the Afghan people that way, and that is also the reason he left the base that night. Unfortunately, it seems the Taliban (who are almost as bad as the Americans) preferred to use him as a bargaining chip rather than let him join the cause. In a sense he really is a traitor to the US, its army and its imperialist program, and for that he should be proud.

https://i.imgur.com/X1novDb.png

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3162444/replies?c=28

Wilikon, the actual toll is much higher than the six soldiers which you have cited. You should also add up those soldiers, who died while trying to capture the five Taliban / Al Qaeda leaders.

Some numbers even go up to 14 soldiers killed, more or less linked to him. I just want to link stuff anyone can double check easily. If I ever stumble upon all those names then I will update the thread, eventually.

You lost me at "almost as bad as the Americans."

You have some good points and some bad ones but your prejudice kind of undermines them. 

http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/06/03/barack-obamas-unfortunate-new-movie

Bergdahl to face the music.

US army chief Dempsey: Bowe Bergdahl could be prosecuted

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27682668

From what i have read about the note and everything he did it sounds a lot worse than it did at first. Especially considering the people that died trying to rescue him.

You should read your own link.  If you are a random male soldier NONE of those ways will get you out without a criminal conviction, except *possibly* conscientious objector.

Let's use a concrete example.  Imagine that I am a male soldier and that I have been in the army for one year.  I can't get pregnant and I don't think that I can convince my CO that I am an conscientious objector.  Bottom line: there is no way for me to get out without prison time.

Anyway, let's not jump in to conclusions. Just wait until the trial is over. If he is guilty of deserting, then he should be put behind bars for the rest of his life. If proven otherwise, he should be released immediately.

Wrong.  If you developed a Conscience after joining the military, you can get a lawyer and get out.

It's not easy, but it's certainly easier than living then next 50 years as a murderer and a fool.

I realize the concept of standing up for morality is foreign to you, but please understand there was a time when a man's honor was important.  People were willing to sacrifice comfort and convenience to keep their honor in tact because they knew it was the only thing which separated them from animals.

So, "months" after he disappeared, the government is already "pushing" people to remain silent?

Apparently this whole thing started to stink before he even left and is going downhill faster than a wagon full of fat kids. I say again: this is only going to get a whole lot worse.

lol... Now the prisoner exchange is over and Bergdahl is about to face the military tribunal over his alleged deserting. Let's at least hope that truth will come out of the trial.  ;D

And right here is the problem with American libertarians. On tax day you whine and whine about the oppressive state, but when some good ol' small-town American soldiers get killed, you suddenly shed a patriotic tear and start waving your flag.

A true anarcho-capitalist will not lament the passing of those who volunteer to violently oppress others.

This soldier has chances of facing prosecution primarily because he was unhappy with the war??? and he could not justify to himself insulting attitude of US soldiers towards ordinary Afghans; means he committed an offense or probably a crime by being humane and sensitive or for not being biased. This is totally insane.

It is strange how the only Obama administration trade involves 5 of the most deadly taliban leaders out there for a guy who from what I am gathering deserted his platoon.  Maybe I am watching a little too much Homeland but could this guy be our Sgt. Brody

I have already posted that trading five of these terrorists for just one US soldier was a grave mistake. They should have got at least two dozen American soldiers. But still I believe that it is too early to call Bergdahl a deserter.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/taliban-video-shows-handover-of-former-pow-bergdahl-to-u-s-forces-1401866517

Anyone who doesn't support America's brutal war on Afghans is a traitor. Without this war, the US would not be able to create enough terrorists to warrant the huge sums of money it wants to give to arms manufacturers.

Was he a trator? No he was not. He served in the military, at least in a somewhat loyal way.

Was he a hero? No he was not. From what I can tell he left his post at least one time prior to being captured. He also appeared to have left his post a 2nd (or more) time when he was captured. This may or may not have caused his capture, but it certainly increased the chances of him being captured.

Should he serve time in jail (or the military equivalent)? No, he was already held for over 5 years in conditions that are likely worse then what jail would have been. He has served his sentence.

What should we do with this person? We should give him a discharge from the military. The discharge should be neither honorable, nor dishonorable. He should not receive any pay/benefit above what he earned when he was actually serving.

Just my .02 BTC

The Afghan war should have never been a war. We could have accomplished what we needed to with purely covert ops. Now even more people hate us and our drone diplomacy is just making it worse. 

Backlash will be there in any nation, if the foreign troops try to station there for a long time. Afghanistan is no different. The US military presence in Afghanistan should have been a temporary and limited one, rather than stationing the troops there permanently.

I really think we could have accomplished a lot of what we needed to do with air strikes and covert special ops. The backlash also has a tragic habit of following our troops home after the fact.   

Nobody I have spoken to has thought this trade was a good idea.

To this day I have no idea what the war in Afghanistan was fought for. The punishment of Afghans for the second 9/11 was immediate, and brutal, even though the crime had nothing to do with them - most of the hijackers were Saudi, why weren't we bombing the house of Saud again?

I wrote to my MP here in the UK to try and discern what the war was being fought for. I had a response from the Foreign Secretary, and it was abundantly clear that the cabinet had no idea either.

i was thinking of homeland as well.. kind of interesting how fiction imitates life (or not).

anyway, i'm going to go crazy conspiracy here.. maybe the U.S. wants terrorism to exist, so they have an excuse to invade other countries.

You have to bear in mind that the "War on Terror™" has precisely nothing to do with combating terrorism. The "War on Terror™" is a propaganda framework. Nothing more.

I find it both hilarious and terrifying that so many people still think of that as a conspiracy theory.
If the mainstream media told you that objects fall upwards, would you believe gravity is a conspiracy theory?

The CIA armed and trained the Taliban to begin with. This is not a secret, it's just what the US always does.

Two of America's most trusted allies (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) are funding and sponsoring various terrorist organizations in every nook and corner of the world. Rather than invading Afghanistan, they should have invaded Saudi Arabia.

Yup. And Al Qaeda was set up by the US. Maybe they should have bombed themselves.

But bombing Afghanistan? Made about as much sense as bombing Luxembourg.

I'm still convinced we went to war in Afghanistan for precious metals, of course, you'll never get politicians to admit this and the media barely report on it as with anything that's important.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/18/afghanistan-mineral-deposits

Unlike other people I think religion is just something used as an excuse to rouse the fanatics against a particular group that isn't being co-operative. I don't think it's an actual cause of war, I think resources are the main thing, Afghanistan is also a large supplier of the world's illegal drug market, another way for corrupt officials to make a shit ton of money, think about it, what's better for a criminal organisation than to be backed by the army of the very country you're operating in?

In traditional sense I suppose you could call him a traitor, but the problem is the U.S is far from innocent and they wouldn't have has many soldiers going AWOL or committing suicide if they were doing the right thing like they claim, you have had U.S soldiers taking refuge in Germany as well because they fear going back to the U.S.

Undoubtedly. The fact that Muslims sit on top of massive oil reserves has nothing to do with their demonisation in the West. Really.

Even when the British and the French were divvying up the Middle East between themselves after WWI, the British insisted on maintaining control of Mesopotamia because, and they were very upfront about it, they wanted the oil.

Do not forget heroin - CIA funds its blacks ops by, among other things, trafficking with all kinds of drugs, among which heroin. Afghanistan was the first producer of opium in the world (the "precursor" of heroin) until the Taliban arrived and destroyed all the opium camps precisely to fuck with CIA interests, luckily enough for the US they bombed the country killing hundreds of thousands to restore their profitable businesses - now opium cultivation is at an all time high in Afghanistan thanks to CIA money pouring into it.

Just check this BBC graph, it speaks for itself:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71083000/gif/_71083774_afghan_opium_624.gif

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24919056

As soon as the Talibans destroyed all the fields (early 2001) 9/11 happened and oh, Talibans were crushed and opium cultivation fields restored. If you watch the opium fields on satellite images you will see that they are all in US controlled areas.

Thanks, I didn't have much information on the opium trade in Afghanistan, I did mention drugs, but I haven't done that much research into it.

Taliban Commander Vows To Kidnap More American Soldiers After Bergdahl Prisoner Swap…

A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets.

“It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,” the commander said, speaking by telephone on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. “It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”

The commander has been known to TIME for several years and has consistently supplied reliable information about Bergdahl’s captivity.

http://time.com/2826442/taliban-kidnappings-bergdahl/

U.S. Intel: Bergdahl May Have Been An “Active Collaborator” With The Taliban, “As Serious As You Can Imagine”…


Fox News reporter James Rosen claimed intelligence sources have told him not only that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl willingly collaborated with the Taliban, but that his involvement with the terrorist group may be “as serious as you can imagine.”

Rosen spoke with Bill O’Reilly Wednesday night about his ongoing conversations with intelligence and Pentagon officials regarding both old and new investigations into Bergdahl’s likely desertion and possibly treasonous activities.

“My reporting has shown that the intelligence community also undertook a separate [from the Army] investigation of Sgt. Bergdahl,” Rosen explained, “both his final period of active duty that culminated in that mysterious evening, and also his conduct over the past five years, which is said to have been a period of captivity.” [...]

“Well, with greatest proximity, because they were tasked with doing so,” Rosen responded cagily. “But my reporting on this is that there are many inside the intelligence community who harbor outstanding concerns not just that Sgt. Bergdahl may have been a deserter, but that he became an active collaborator with the enemy.”

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/04/foxs-rosen-sources-claim-bergdahls-taliban-collaboration-as-serious-as-you-can-imagine/

The Bergdahl-Taliban swap was still better than the Israeli prisoner exchanges. In 2011, Israel freed more than 1,000 Hamas terrorists, in exchange for just one soldier (Gilad Shalit). These terrorists have been responsible for a total of 569 Israeli civilian deaths.

Well yes, except for a couple of tiny caveats:

1. The Israeli definition of "terrorist" is even broader than the American one. It basically means "anyone we don't like". Like most Palestinians incarcerated in Israeli jails, the vast majority of prisoners released in the Shalit deal were political prisoners, who were not directly involved with "terrorism" (in the narrow definition of the word). Also, most of them were not affiliated with Hamas (not that it actually matters).

2. That 569 number is entirely fabricated. It's more than half of all Israeli terror casualties since the first intifada...

3. And here's what most people don't know: quietly, gradually, without anyone noticing, Israel has been rounding these people up and throwing them back in prison. I don't have the exact updated numbers, but at least a third of those released to the West Bank are now back in prison (possibly much more by now). As for those released to Gaza and elsewhere, they are a minority and not much concern to Israel anyway. What's the point of a prisoner exchange if one side can start rounding people back up immediately after releasing them? Like the word "terrorist", the word "deal" also has a murky definition in Israel.

Which is what is going to happen to these 5 Taliban. They probably have tracker chips in every crevice on their person, and once they get close enough to any US enemies that matter, drones will unleash their payloads onto them and anyone in the surrounding area.

Seriously people, prisoner swaps or trading prisoners for money ( paying ransoms ) have been standard procedure since forever, remember Gary Powers, Iran and Oliver North. People need to stop perpetuating FoxNews derived horseshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Gary_Powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

You can join the military freely, but if you choose to leave prematurely, you're either called a 'deserter' or anti-American here in America.

What about this?

Leaked classified documents suggest US soldier Bergdahl converted to Islam in captivity

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_06/Leaked-classified-documents-suggest-US-soldier-Bergdahl-converted-to-Islam-in-captivity-7522/

So what if he did, just means they psychologically broke him. That story sounds like another one of those made up bullshit stories thats floating around. Seems those that were behind the Iran Contra arms deal, Oliver North and this Duane ( Dewey ) Clarridge, have a personal campaign they are on to destroy this US soldiers reputation before he has a chance to defend himself.

Keep in mind that both Oliver North, who has been quite vocal on FoxNews shitting all over this soldier, and Clarridge, initiated an arms for hostages swap with 'terrorists' back in the mid 80s. They took the profits from the arms they sold to their enemies, and gave them to a terrorist group in Nicaragua...being that they were 'their terrorists', they are called rebels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Clarridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

Now these two hypocrites are wagging the dog on this campaign against a US soldier who was held captive in Afghanistan feeding the docile media with as many stories as they can dream up.

he may have been forced to.  I'm more concerned with what he did before he was captured.  his former teammates don't seem to have anything good to say about him.

The administration said he served with honor and distinction, later "clarifying" to mean that he joined a volunteer army, so his actions were both honorable and distinctive.  Using that logic, so did Benedict Arnold.

That is very much possible. Almost all of the Soviet POWs captured during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan were immediately converted to Islam, after being transported to Pakistan.

Yeah, after the kidnapping you pretty much have to assume he was under duress. The before stuff looks worse all the time.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-official-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-has-declined-to-speak-to-his-family-1402242356?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304315504579612170444661860.html

He was NOT a traitor.  But he apparently left his post without permission and so was a borderline deserter.  It's not like he was captured in a firefight or anything.

The whole not talking to his family thing is weird though.

I hope this works out okay for the US.

I hope this works out okay for the US.



The Gitmo 5 are living in Qatar on what is in effect a year long all expenses paid vacation. The Gitmo 5 have remained hidden from view and the men are living in upscale villas. They are free to talk with their family members and each other. The Taliban even maintains a compound in Qatar.

http://youtu.be/6Qc_6EyRRug

Former Platoon Mate: “Every Single Mission” Was About Finding Bergdahl After He Deserted…


http://youtu.be/6_TJUNBXtoA

A soldier who leaves his post without permission is called a deserter, and not a borderline deserter. But we don't know the exact circumstances yet, and we are not sure whether he left his post on his own.

Exactly. I will withhold judgement until all the facts are in but it does not look good at this point.

More drama on the way.

Bergdahl REFUSES to speak to parents after describing how Taliban kept him locked in a shark cage for WEEKS – as his homecoming parade is cancelled over death threats

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652026/Bow-Bergdahl-says-tortured-kept-locked-shark-cage-weeks-trying-escape-Taliban-twice-parents-receive-death-threats-people-furious-prisoner-swap.html

I wish him a safe return to the United States. I have spent a lot of time thinking about him over the course of several years. I worry about him and hope he gets rescued soon.

Our government has fucked us over again. How much longer do we want this shitshow to continue?

Hmm.. I thought that he was already back home. Seems like I was wrong. But I don't know whether he will be safe anywhere in the United States. A lot of threats were made against him and his family.

I think he should have been fired for deserting his role, but I don't think there should be any more serious a penalty than if I walked out of my job. The army is a profession, an employer, where people are trained, paid and follow orders. I don't see the legitimacy of any parallel legal structure to be subjected to.

So he felt more compassion for the Afghan victims of US terror. Great, that makes him human. Maybe he's a conscientious objector, maybe he's an idiot. I don't really care. The fact that he was able to view victims of US terror with compassion sets him apart from his accomplices in Afghanistan.

How about the Taliban's victims?

https://i.imgur.com/K2vRFS5.jpg

If he felt compassion for the victims of US terror, then there were a large number of legal options for him to quit his job. Instead, he is suspected of going AWOL, and thereby causing the death of multiple soldiers.

He was part of the US war machine, it's only natural he was more acutely aware of its victims.

The Taliban aren't nice people. But let's not pretend that the US military are any better.

Legal options? Legal options laid down by the regime perpetrating the terror in question? There's a certain amount of irony there.

The fact that he got others killed is a real problem for him. There will be a clamor for involuntary manslaughter charges as his negligence did in fact cause the death of others. If it can be proven that he was in any way involved with the killings he will face the death penalty. I hope this was just a case of a disillusioned soldier that made a bad choice. Either way this is all a hell of a propaganda coupe for the Taliban.

We use our military far to often but to draw some sort of moral equivalency between the Taliban and the US army is a bit disgusting. Welcome to my ignore list. 

But why are other Americans who slaughter innocents in Afghanistan not held to account?

You post smells of subservience to power. A common smell on this forum, which is odd, considering what this forum is.

It's perhaps a little unfair to make that comparison. The US military after all is far better at slaughtering innocent people than the Taliban will ever be.

He was a paid employee of the United States Armed Forces, and he joined as per his wish. No one forced him to join the USAF. But once you join the USAF, you have to abide by the laws and regulations, which are outlined by it. If he was against the war in Afghanistan, then he had a better option of staying at home, doing some other job.

And he left as per his wish.


And what if he only realised the extent of the crimes committed by the US after arriving in Afghanistan? What if this was the driving factor? I don't know that this is what happened, but hypothetically?

Perhaps he also learned that there is no nobility or honour in serving power.

Where I live, if an employee want to terminate his employment, then he has to remain in the job for a certain a notice period (depends upon the T&C). It can be a few days, or it can be a few months. The employer can get a replacement for him in the meantime. In case the employer waives his notice period, he can leave the company immediately.

Where I live, that is convention, but it would be very strange if walking out of your job meant you were kidnapped at gunpoint and put in a cage. That sounds a little less like employment and more like something else...

The US armed forces have killed far, far more innocent civilians than the Taliban. Orders of magnitude more. And not just in Afghanistan, but all over the world.

Now you can add me to your ignore list too. You're already ignoring reality; you might as well ignore those who allude to it.

What he said.

Soldier: Bowe Bergdahl lodged false war crime allegations against his unit



An Army veteran who served alongside Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in Afghanistan said Wednesday that the long-captive soldier was deeply frustrated with the mission and had lodged false allegations that their unit had carried out atrocities.

Bergdahl “didn’t understand why we were doing more humanitarian aid drops, setting up clinics, and helping the populous instead of hunting the Taliban,” former Spec. Cody Full told lawmakers during a hearing on the exchange of Bergdahl for five Taliban detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. “He wanted to hunt and kill.” [...]

Full, who was honorably discharged and served with Bergdahl in the same fire team, the military’s smallest type of organized unit, railed against Bergdahl’s attitude during his deployment in 2009 and rejected media reports that he was a sensitive young man trying to define himself during a time of war. His handwritten journal, along with essays, stories and e-mails provided to The Washington Post, painted him as a soldier full of worry about his own mental health and the situation in Afghanistan.

“Bergdahl was complaining to his parents that our platoon was committing atrocities instead of helping the local populous,” Full told members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “But he was telling our platoon that we needed to stop trying to win hearts and minds and focus more on killing the Taliban.”

Full also dismissed suggestions that Bergdahl’s platoon had discipline issues.

“It’s a ridiculous charge,” Full said. “Security was always in place. These acts of common sense survival did not jeopardize the security or put anyone in danger.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/06/18/soldier-bowe-bergdahl-lodged-false-war-crime-allegations-against-his-unit/

I would not say that the US military is slaughtering innocent people. Most people killed by the military are somehow involved in a war against the US.

Breaking: One of the “TALIBAN FIVE” Swapped for Bergdahl Returns to Terror










Washington (CNN)The U.S. military and intelligence community now suspect that one of the five Taliban detainees released from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in May of last year has attempted to return to militant activity from his current location in Qatar, CNN has learned exclusively.

The development has led to an ongoing debate inside the administration about whether there is a new threat from this man, and potentially the other four.

This is the first known suggestion that any of the detainees involved in the exchange may be trying to engage again in militant activity. It comes at a politically sensitive time as the administration has quickened the pace of prisoner release in an effort to encourage the closure of the Guantanamo, and the Army must decide in the coming weeks whether and how to punish Bergdahl for leaving his post.

Several U.S. officials across different agencies and branches of the U.S. government have confirmed key details to CNN. The White House referred CNN to the Pentagon.

The officials would not say which of the five men is suspected. But an ongoing U.S. intelligence program to secretly intercept and monitor all of their communications in Qatar turned up evidence in recent months that one of them has "reached out" to try to encourage militant activity, one official said. The official would offer no further details.

Under current law, this act placed the man in the category of being "suspected" of re-engaging in terrorist or insurgent activities. However, several officials say there is now a debate inside the administration that the intelligence may be stronger than the "suspected" classification. Some elements of the intelligence community believe the information is strong enough to classify the man as "confirmed" for returning to illegal activities. All five men are having their communications even more closely monitored right now, but the belief is there is no current threat, one official told CNN.

Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby tells CNN that in addition to its discussions with the Qatari government, the United States is working across its various law enforcement and intelligence agencies to address the issue.

"We have a strong security partnership with Qatar, and are in constant dialogue with Qatari government officials about these five detainees and we are confident that we would be able to mitigate any threat of re-engagement by any of these members," Kirby said in an interview that will air Thursday night on CNN's 'Erin Burnett Out Front.'

Under intelligence laws, the definition of "confirmed" for returning to militant activity is that there is a "preponderance of information which identifies a specific former GITMO detainee as directly involved in terrorist or insurgent activities."

The definition of 'suspected" is that there is "plausible but unverified or single-source reporting indicating a specific former Gitmo detainee is directly involved in terrorist or insurgent activities."

Congress has been notified of the information but it has not been made public.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/politics/bergdahl-swap-prisoner-militant-activity/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_allpolitics+(RSS:+Politics)



EDIT: As a reminder:

Hillary Clinton said The Taliban Five Are “Not A Threat To The United States.”

CLINTON: “These five guys are not a threat to the United States. They are a threat to the safety and security of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It’s up to those two countries to make the decision once and for all that these are threats to them. So I think we may be kind of missing the bigger picture here. We want to get an American home, whether they fell off the ship because they were drunk or they were pushed or they jumped, we try to rescue everybody.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98KwPioW9LQ

Bergdahl, 28, went missing from his base in Paktika province on June 30, 2009, and is believed to have grown disillusioned with the U.S. military’s mission in Afghanistan. He was held captive in Pakistan by the Haqqani network, an insurgent group allied with the Taliban, until a deal brokered through the government of Qatar was reached last year.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/25/bowe-bergdahl-once-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/?hpid=z1

Report: Bergdahl Definitely Deserted To Turn Himself Over to The Taliban, Other U.S. Enemies







administration for five top Taliban commanders last summer, has been charged with desertion and misbehaving in front to the enemy under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He faces life in prison if he is convicted.

Bergdahl's legal defense team will argue in military court that Bergdahl didn't desert, but was trying to get to another base to report wrongdoing inside his Army unit.  Up until this point, the Obama administration has defended the decision to get Bergdahl back in exchange for terrorists, even going so far as saying he served with "honor and distinction."

But a report from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service shows Bergdahl not only deserted his unit, but deliberately tried to seek out the Taliban and other enemies of the United States. It should be noted that many of Bergdahl's platoon members have said this from day one, but were smeared by the Obama administration as uncredible and as liars for doing so.

A 2009 NCIS investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s activities while in Afghanistan reveal that there is clear evidence Bergdahl was “going over to the other side with a deliberate plan,” Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday night.

“He had Afghan contacts and he was actually trying to offer himself up with the Taliban. Both are very severe,” Shaffer added.

Shaffer said that the NCIS investigation, which included interviews with squad mates as well as Afghans working outside the wire, reportedly resulted in Bergdahl being charged with misbehavior toward the enemy.


Lt. Col. Shaffer also noted during the interview above that President Obama had to have known about Bergdahl's desertion through the NCIS before making the decision to negotiate his release.

A preliminary Article 32 hearing has been scheduled for Bergdahl's case and will be held at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas. When the hearing will take place will be announced at a later date.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/04/07/report-bergdahl-was-defintely-trying-to-turn-himself-over-to-the-taliban-n1981780?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/16/bergdahl-teammates-head-joint-chiefs-knew-walked-off/

America has arrived at a dark place, where young people are coerced into obedience at all costs. Right and wrong are determined by the state.

It is like the 'stolen valor' story yesterday. A guy dresses up in a military costume to get help getting girls. Someone accuses him of 'stealing the valor' of soldiers. What valor is he stealing?

An obedient 20 year old is a disgrace. Most soldiers who strut around like peacocks, so proud to be 'one of the gang' will spend their whole lives following some other person. "Who can I obey" should be America's national motto.

Bergdahl, whether you agree with him or not, should be made a two star general. Three stars for Bradley Manning, unless he gets his dick cut off, then only one star but still a general.

All the fake muscled steroid punks who strut around, proud that they "served", i.e., killed foreign people for no rational reason, should remain privates until their victims reincarnate.

Who would follow his orders then? Fake muscled steroid punks who strut around? Why join the army if you don't belong? If you feel it is OK to help "your new friends" kill your old comrades why can't you do it yourself, while looking into their eyes?

As far as the other dude disguised as a soldier to get free stuff and girls... Can't you get the same amount of sex and materialist stuff just by wearing a speedo?

What is the rational reason?



Not every dumb head is a hero walking on a path of petals...

Tin stars on a person's shoulder should not impress any adult. Nor should other cosmetics. Why do you need someone to follow him?

As for him helping the Taliban militarily, if he did that, again please try to understand the gang mentality.

1) The Taliban were not involved in 911 in any way whatsoever. They allowed any person of their religion into their country but no knowledgeable person has ever claimed they were involved in 911, because they weren't. You can argue why we invaded, there are a number of theories. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102158/Heroin-production-Afghanistan-RISEN-61.html

2) Life is not about joining the biggest gang. If his intention was to kill innocent people, as you suggest his 'old comrades' were, then he should be stopped. Was that his intention? Were his 'old comrades' innocent harmless people?

If your friends go on a murder spree, killing people they have no business with, are you obliged to support your comrades no matter what? Is your only moral obligation to follow orders and be loyal?

3) As for wearing a speedo, maybe that will get girls in some bars. That guy evidently thought a soldier costume would work better so he tried it. My argument was simply that he is no more of a fraud than others who wear similar costumes. They are imposing gangs, they have control of a lot of territory, they can force people to do and say things etc. But the truth, the real truth, is that uniforms are for punks. People who want power by force are annoying enough, gangbangers who try to take power under the false banner of 'protecting' are scum. Most militaries have no interest in defense.

as the potus, the senat, the congress, all the branches of the us gov have betrayed the people, no he can't. logic if there in no one to betrayed, ie your nation is gone, how could anyone betray? (proof gmo trough TPP) but more generally if it was before 1913 maybe, but now an individual case... who cares.... what is Kim K. doing?

Obama Admin Had Tapes Proving Bergdahl Deserted and Joined Taliban – Ignored Them at Trial


Retired Colonel David Hunt broke the news tonight on The O’Reilly Factor that the the Obama administration had proof that Bowe Bergdahl deserted to the Taliban.
The Obama administration did not use the evidence in his trial.

Colonel David Hunt explained it tonight:

Col. David Hunt (retired): June 30, 2009, Bergdahl deserts his post in southeast Afghanistan. July 1st and 2nd, in a standard briefing to a commander of his unit, Fourth Brigade ot the 25th Infantry division, we have tapes of Taliban talking on Bergdahl’s phone saying that Bergdahl wanted to join them. And we have the Taliban on their own phones talking about Bergdahl trying to join them. This information was known July 2nd on and yet we still traded him for five terrorists, had a White House ceremony and now we’ve taken two years since he’s come back to do something which takes 90 days. The government has not yet and it doesn’t sound like it’s going to even use these tapes against Sgt Bergdahl.

Bill O’Reilly: How did they get the tapes?

Col. Hunt: It doesn’t make sense. None of it makes any sense on Bergdahl.

Bill O’Reilly: How did the government get the tapes?

Col. David Hunt: There are programs, we’ve been doing it since World War II, in which we listen to the enemy, and people who are speaking Pashtun and any language the Taliban in that section are using, were listening because they were told to and they were also listening to Bergdahl’s phone. What they heard was the Taliban on Bergdahl’s phone because he had joined them by then. So it’s a military program.

Bill O’Reilly: So, once again the tapes say that Bergdahl deserted and wanted to join the Taliban.

Col. Hunt: Yes the tapes are available. The government’s not using them.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/breaking-obama-admin-had-tapes-proving-bergdahl-deserted-and-joined-taliban-ignored-them-at-trial/

Desertion and misbehavior before the enemy is clearly treasonous. I might agree that a 20 year old who refuses to follow the rules he considers wrong is to be held up. But a 20 year old volunteer solider should be shot for it. There are many ways to object to an order in the army. However deserting your unit and putting their lives at risk is not one of them. 

And don't get me started on the stupidity of this. It looks more like a suicide attempt than a desertion.

Suicide-by-talibans?

I don't know? But wouldn't you expect to be captured and killed? He was at an outpost with no where to go and did not even know the language. I think he is lucky to be alive. His actions really make me wonder about his mental state.

Collaboration. Best way to survive, especially when he was actively seeking the talibans. He had value. He played his part. 5 top talibans were released in exchange of him.

And, according to the new revelations, 0bama knew.


 

BREAKING: Bowe Bergdahl Pleads Guilty To Desertion And Misbehavior






Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who walked off his post in Afghanistan in 2009 and was held in captivity for five years by the Taliban, pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy on Monday, saying “I understand leaving was against the law.”

“I left my observation post on my own,” Bergdahl told a judge at his hearing at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, according to CNN. “I understand leaving was against the law.”

In an interview that aired earlier Monday, Bergdahl who was released in 2014 in exchange for five Taliban prisoners who were being held in Guantanamo Bay, said that he doubts if he could have gotten a fair trial after President Trump once called him a “no good traitor” who should be executed.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/16/bowe-bergdahl-pleads-guilty-to-desertion-and-misbehavior/


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Another Obama Record! The first president in US history to trade FIVE top Taliban terrorists for an admitted traitor! Congratulations Barack! You did it!

I would recommend listening to the second season of the Serial podcast. They do a good job of presenting the case and describing his strict morality/black and white thinking that lead him to leave base the way he did. You may come to a different conclusion but it made me think that he was not a traitor.

No one told him to join the army and sign up. Also soldiers went to save him from his "captures". They died trying.

The next time you feel like sharing something anywhere on the internet it is cool to post the link as no one will search for what you are talking about. People are lazy. Go back to all the posts from the beginning to see how it should be done.

A soldier is supposed to follow the orders from his officer, even if he doesn't like them personally. Mr Bergdahl disobeyed the direct order, and indirectly caused the deaths of a number of American soldiers. That said, branding him as a traitor will be a bit harsh, in my opinion. You can say that he was a dissenter or a rebel. That is the right word.

Absolutely, he disobeyed a direct order and left his brothers in arms. Though it doesn't matter whether he intended to come back eventually or not, the evidence points towards desertion.