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Bashar Assad wins Syria presidential election with 88.7% of vote
http://rt.com/news/163696-assad-win-president-syria/


The West is doing their damnest to discredit the elections, even stooping to preventing Syrians from voting at the embassies.

Start contrast to Ukraine, where half-elections were hailed as pinnacle of democracy.

If he would win would it bee a good thing for syria? I didn't watch candidates.

Only 88.7%? That result almost looks democratic.

NATO already told it won't recognize the results.

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That would be the same reason why republicans have much higher turnouts in American elections... most the demos are just trying to make ends meet and have so many other pressing problems and so many other things working against them trying to keep them away from the polls.

There is one reader comment that I want to repost here:

that and it seems like more old people are republicans, especially when you look at fox news' demographics.

That makes it sounds like things in Syria have quieted down quite a bit. I wouldn't expect them to hold elections if the civil war is still in full swing. And we haven't had any major war-related news from Syria for quite a while now. As to whether the elections are legit...it's hard to believe that after a civil war that erupted BECAUSE people were upset with the leader, they would then vote him back in with 80%. But at the same time, civil war is a mess and doesn't necessarily mean the majority of people opposite the president. Plus, most people are probably really tired of the fighting and just want peace again, and voting for Bashar would help achieve that.

Another option is that the clowns have ignored the vote, while turnout among the neutral and pro-presidential citizens was high enough.

I call them clowns, because they even didn't try nominate their candidates... Shooting is all what they can do. ::)

The dems can't even catch up when they let the dead vote each cycle. My heart truly bleeds for them. How will the other rich mainly white aristocratic manipulative bastards ever compete with the slightly whiter version of themselves?

The Syrian elections have the same problem as any elections organized in the middle of a civil war:

1) The rebels will oppose it, because they know only the supporters of the regime will vote, therefore, the regime will always win.

2) Refugees abroad won't have any conditions or even been allowed to vote (2.8 million Syrians, more than 10% of the population).

3) There is no real conditions for free speech or free press.

4) If the rebels organized elections on the territories they control, Assad would get 1% or less for the exact same reasons. Why should any rebel candidate get more than that in an election organized in governmental controlled territories.

As far as I know, the abstention numbers weren't published.

It's simply a double face used to push forth their agenda
In the Ukraine its so they can screw with Putin in Syria it's so they can get cheap access to Oil
Oil politics is a strong factor in both countries

Wrong. The polling figures were given in the official site of the elections agency of Syria. The turnout was 73.42%, which is a bit lower when compared to the previous elections, but still very significant.

The same can be said of the US unfortunately. We just call it spreading democracy.

funny, didn't egypt just have its own elections, which were completely premeditated by the reigning regime? i just saw through the wormhole's ep tonight and it dealt with inequality/civil warring countries. it says there's evidence that the less civilized groups of people, the more the imbalance between diversity.

Here are my observations:

1. Two of the opposition candidates were allowed to contest, but the nomination of 21 others were turned down.
2. No polling took place in the rebel held areas.
3. Government employees were pressured to cast their vote.
4. The opposition People's Will Party refused to recognize the candidature of Maher Abd Al-Hafiz Hajjar, although he is a member of the party.
5. Some of the refugees were not allowed to vote, although those in Lebanon voted in large numbers.

I agree, alas if it wasn't so true.
But your right in reality this is spreading democracy.
And all the wonderful things that pandoras democracies box provides.


Made the same observations although point 2 stood out as the most obvious one
In a civil war and holding their own mock vote for those that died in the conflict
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-06-03/syrians-vote-for-their-dead-in-farce-elections/
Basically a mock election

How accurate are these numbers considered though?

I know there are a good amount of people in Syria in metropolitan areas who support Assad. I don't have any idea of what percent of the population actually does though.

It's not a civil war.

It's the U.S. and Britain funding Al Qaeda terrorists to attack a country they want to run a gas pipeline through.

Grow up.
 

It's funny how these things work out when something happens to be in their best interest, no?

Still not as bad as General Sisi winning the Egyptian elections with 96.9% of the vote.
It's more frustrating in Egypt in light of all the struggles for democracy.
They didn't even bother to muddle the numbers like Assad did. It's a clear indication of Egypt's return to dictatorship

Because this is what Syrians want:

Female Vice-President of Syria Najah al-Attar, Ph.D., University of Edinburgh

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/78/Najah_Al-Attar.jpg http://youghon.com/about/files/Najah%20Al-Attar%20VP%20Syria.JPG


...and this is what NATO and Al Qaeda rebels want for Syria...

http://www.rawa.org/beating5.jpg http://bulletinoftheoppressionofwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Afghan-women-burka.jpg

Does anyone have any positive stories about the Syrian rebels? I've heard only negative things and I'm wondering why there is so much support among regular individual western people. I know the governments are supporting them, but that doesn't explain why people have come to the same conclusion.

Where are they getting their positive information from? Is the western media doing stories putting Syrian rebels in a good light? Or is it just because people don't like the current Syrian government and they assume any alternative is better?

Indeed, it is not a civil war, but a foreign invasion. Iran, Kurdistan, Saudia Arabia are amongst the nations involved. Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Front_%28Syria%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Front_%28Syria%29)  




Yes, they are. They were "rebel fighters" at first, but since Putin showed these 'rebel fighters' were eating organs of humans these terms didnt really work out anymore. (the video of this is on liveleak).  I am not saying one side is better than the other, just that western media is manipulated.

It is pretty clear that this is not an organic revolution by the Syrian people. The media won't tell us that the US and much of the west are giving guns to these people. Many of whom are Al Qaeda affiliates.

I would still prefer the secular military dictator (Abdel Fattah el-Sisi) anytime over the democratically elected fanatic Mohamed Morsi. At least the minorities (especially the Copts) will be able to live without any fear.

The Egyptian elections were an even more ridiculous exercise than the Syrian one. The Egyptians don't have this great excuse that is civil war to justify all the abuses of freedom of the press and political freedom.

I dislike as much (at least part of) the opposition as I dislike the Syrian government. Another republic converted in de facto monarchy, with the power going from the father to the son. I'm expecting a long dynasty, like in North Korea.

But both sides are being helped from abroad. This is just a continuation of the war between Shiite and Sunni movements that we also see in Iraq, supported by Iran on one side, and by Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the other.

The position of Iraq will be interesting... they are a Shiite majority country (around 60% as per some reliable sources), but still they are supporting the Syrian opposition. Also, it should be remembered that the Ba'ath party represents the Shiites in Syria (including Assad), while it was mostly dominated by the Sunnis in Iraq (including Saddam).

Hey the US is not the best actor here, I do see the hypocracy with what is happening in Ukraine.  But let's be real, Assad is not a good person, and it was certainly a sham election. 

You can't see the forest because of the trees.  Turn off Fox News and go read history.

Start here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

Hmm, I don't think it's as easy as that. You say Sisi is secular but that only means he doesn't care if it's a Muslim or a Christian he's oppressing . Sad (and frequent) as it is, foreign media played a huge hand in demonizing Morsi.

it's funny cuz when they overthrew mubarak and morsi, there was a fervor of excitement that change could happen.. but in reality, their efforts so far have been futile. seems like sisi's regime may indeed be worse than the muslim brotherhood reign, or mubarak.

I surely don't like the mix of religion and political power, hence I disliked very much Morsi, but we can not defend democracy and then crack on the results, unless the elected start violating basic rules.

I don't think that Morsi did enough to deserve a military coup.

Now, Egypt just returned to a new Mubarak, non religious, but dictator, that even promote him self in cookies.

i'm not the most knowledgeable in the subject, but i remember morsi trying to ratify the constitution to give him almost unlimited power. he was abusing his power, and oustering him was justified.. the problem is that his replacement is even worse.

Yes... removing Morsi was much needed. He was about to implement some of his disastrous social policies, such as banning birth control and taking over minority institutions. It is too early to say that Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is worse than Morsi. Let's wait and watch.

there is already less free speech under his rule, and more political prisoners. egypt's version of jon stewart, whatever his name is, has had to step down because it seems like he fears the current regime more than he did the last.

i'm willing to bet that he is more of a despot than mubarak or morsi.

As long as the prisoners are from the Islamic Brotherhood, I am not complaining. The brotherhood guys were extremely violent during their protests in Cairo and other cities. They should be suppressed like this only.