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Use A Crypto Currency, End A War

Morality follows function and Bitcoin has made selective divestment a lot more functional.

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One of the sneakier aspects of bit coin is the potential to shut down the war machines. That is the true value. Future wealth is a nice bonus though.

Correct, world peace (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_UTgoPUTLQ) is the much bigger prize to be won with the mass adoption of crypto over nation-state war-funding scrip.

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Title should read, "abandon fiat scrip, end all war".

Should consider nagging http://www.peaceoneday.org/ to accept bitcoin donations.
Lynx/Axe are partnered with them for the Peace deodorant.
Not exactly sure what they do, draw attention to the possibility of world peace mostly, I guess.

Buy a Bit Coin save a life would be a nice one as well.

Catchy slogan. It's good, since no other currency can currently say it. But of course, if Bitcoin is mass adopted, war and violence will start to occur. Nice slogan, though.

How? War is incredibly expensive. If governments cannot inflate currency to fund wars their ability to launch them is limited. Thre is no way to finance a major war in a bit coin universe.

So how exactly does crypto stop wars?

That's not the dumbest thing I've heard on here but it ranks pretty high up there.

Governments don't have a monopoly on war.

This. I give you props for idealism but OP, you are not being realistic. No one needed the 'military industrial complex' to promote wars since dawn of time. It's a cheap excuse for those with need to shift blame.

A minor war is still a war, or a 'regular' war. It doesn't have to be necessarily major is what I'm getting at. Hell, it might be a war against the government (Rebellion). And not to mention, if it's adopted, the GOVERNMENTS - yes, I'm writing this in caps - WILL MOST LIKELY GO TO WAR AGAINST EACH OTHER.

Where there is vested interest, conflicts will begin. War is just another form of such events.

We can't have local bitcoin face to face transactions without someone trying to off the other guy.

How the hell are we supposed to avoid wars?

http://Tinyurl.com/BTCvsPolitic

If you're not going to take the half hour to actually learn something, shut your ignorant mouth.

if you use fiat (especially usd) you are supporting their wars

Of course they do. War, by definition, is one government trying to kill another government.

Here's how people used to end war: http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/war-conflict/vietnam-war/seeking-sanctuary-draft-dodgers/we-refused-to-go-the-antiwar-movement-in-canada-and-the-us.html

Try not letting the government send you to war. The problem is when people see their flag fluttering in the breeze, they start thinking about mom serving up her apple pie and tearing up because their great gran pappy fought in the last war they succumb to peer pressure and start killing. Bitcoin can't end wars - education can. Dumbass hillbillies living in the heartland are too stupid to use Bitcoin and they're too stupid to see that their government is about to kill them for no reason.

One group of people thinking they're better than another group of people has a bit to do with it too I reckon. Yep.

If you type it in all caps it must be right.  ::)


There will be minor conflicts as long as there are people in this world. What bit coin helps us to avoid is an all out invasion of another country by a single country or a group of countries. If you can't finance it you can't wage it. It is really that simple.

Yessir, liberal radicals often forget wars are fought by people not by governments. Want to stop a war? Overthrow a dictator? Topple a government? Convince the people it needs to happen.

Exactly. It is easy to go to war when it is other people's money you are spending. Rich mans war = poor mans fight.

My own father was such a patriotic idiot that he actually sent a check to support the war effort.

Here's some alternative funding for wars: http://www.war-experience.org/education/homefront/support/support.asp

Sometimes the government just begs for money because they don't have enough to wage war. It doesn't matter what your using for money if people are just going to send it to the government.

but most people won't send it to the government.
people have no problem saying they would like to bomb X or Y but when they actually have to pay for it they start thinking twice.
in a world where the government has to actually ask the public for funding to start a war i'd bet there would be less wars or wars would be of a much smaller scale.

There was a time when I felt the same way. I was shamelessly pro American and thought we could do no wrong. It took a while to deprogram myself. I still love my country and the principals it was founded on, but we are now a twisted relic of that.  

It is no coincidence that the first 'great war' - the 'war to end all wars' - WWI - happened shortly after the creation of the federal reserve.

Yes. They could never have financed it without central banks inflating currency. This is about taking them to task and making government accountable to the people again.

You'll probably like this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zEyUWKJFER8

People need to take control of their country. For those of you that are 'Mericans: slavery was legal, women had no right to vote, raping your wife was legal, blacks were less than human as recently as 60 years ago, children had no rights and could be abused and beaten without punishing the abuser, in fact, about the only people that had rights were white male adults. It will take entirely too long for Bitcoin to even come close to becoming the national currency of 'merica. Changes need to happen a lot faster than that.

I am frankly not sure what the answer is. The electoral process has broken down and become a joke. Neither party is really a party of the people and frankly Americans are too busy watching reality tv to do much thinking any way. I am choosing to opt out of the system by divesting myself as much as I can from fiat currency and avoiding sending more money to the beast as much as I can while keeping my relative freedom.

That may be all that can be done at this point. Change is always in the hands of the people but the people have to see the need. As long as US citizens are willing to sit back and do nothing then nothing will change. I see that as the reason Bitcoin adoption isn't moving faster than it is. Young well educated citizens are calling for passive revolution and not enough people are listening. Also fear plays a big part in financing the government. If we all decided to not file taxes next year do you believe they could put us all in jail? It just takes a movement to gather support for that to happen. Unfortunately, Americans are soft, afraid and we have no tangible cause that the reality tv watchers understand enough to support. We are the 99%. 99% chicken shit that is. lol

All of _us_? We denizens of bitcointalk? Of course. We are a negligible number.

But your point is well-taken. If the number of noncompliant got to a single-digit percentage of the populace, then no, they'd not be able to round us up. I have seen academic studies suggesting 3% is all that's required to make such a change. That's all it took to foment the American revolution.

If you can't inflate Bitcoin, and if it was evened out, 24 Million people each could have it. Not that many coins will be achieved in a few - nah, a ton of years. People have more than one each. It'll be scarce. I think more than minor will be achieved, if the Governments want a good share of it.

Fear and apathy are definitely big factors. I also think the relative comfort level we enjoy in the west breeds complacency. We may be the only culture in world history whose poor people are fat. 

I love that. I'm gonna use that line. lol

Feel free. I used to work in Altoona PA and there was a welfare office in the building I worked in. It shocked me to see how heavy the recipients were.

Some funny circle jerk going on in this thread with pseudo-intellectuals who think themselves 'enlightened' LOL :)

Why is it that they all sound as if they have rebellious daddy issues?

Everyone likes to feel smart and clever, especially the naive and stupid ones :)

Thanks for adding the most asinine, useless post to the thread, and welcome to my ignore list.

P.S.
http://www.hollabackhealth.com/2010/12/five-reasons-to-stop-using-emoticons/

For the rest of you, carry on. I've really enjoyed reading the conversation.

I'm surprised you haven't ignored him yet. Fortunately I only see his posts when someone quotes him.

Good rethinking of famous "Food not bombs" - Bitcoin not bombs http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/

I think someone will try to use war to end a cryptocurrency one day

Haha, anythings possible.

I think it brings us closer. Conflict will always happen, but if the governments can't control our money anymore they can't inflate it it in order to finance wars.

Proud bitcoin use'n, 'bacca smokin', greens eatin', wife beatin' Hillbilly right here. The problem is people are brainwashed starting in elementary school when self exploration should start. It happens in every public and private school in America. Be a patriot, but do so with the knowledge of what your government is doing.

Respect the land you stand upon enough to do the right thing. Not all us Hillbillies are stupid. Religion has a stranglehold on politics in the Southern states and much of the Midwest. Between religion, education, and politics; we have ourselves an uphill battle for sure.

Random rant over.

Wannabe elitists love to beat on "flyover" country. I have lived in big cities and small towns. I prefer the latter for sure. I love it here in the mountains of western PA with all the hillbillies. I know if things go down the gun toting people around here will be able to sell me food for my bit coin too.   :)

Haha - there are exceptions to every rule. I guess you're it. I'm mainly talking about the good Christian fellow that walks up to you with one girl and wants to introduce his wife and sister. A good proud American that will kill anyone that his govt tells him to for GOD and country.

You're absolutely right about the triple header (religion, education, and politics) controlling Merica. In GOD we trust, right?

I'm not an elitist - I just think I'm better than you are.  ;D

BTW: I'm originally from Anniston, Alabama but I was born in the big city of Talladega. Born in a barn with cow shit in my ears and teething on the New Testament.

I wasn't referring specifically to you. Just the pervasive belief that all things southern or rural are either dumb or backward. It is an unfortunate stereotype but one that is not likely to change any time soon. 

They are dumbasses but it's not their fault. The culture of the area makes them what they are. Christianity in general is narrow minded and close minded. You can't be something that the area doesn't want you to be. If you're from Anniston you need to be a God fearin Christian boy that marries his high school sweetheart, buys a double wide, has a bunch of babies, drink beer like it's water, been arrested at least once for drag racing on the street and loves his country without question. You can't be gay, an anti war protester, military deserter, non-Christian heathen or anything else your community doesn't like. Oh, and you have to love the crimson tide. lol

i'm married to an end.  and that end is War.  be prapera.ed

Correct (https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/dumbdnblum1.htm), and thank you for spreading the gospel truth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q).

Nation! I feel a little poweless today, and my ego hurts. What say you, should we flatten Iraq, or should we devastate Afghanistan? That would be 2 mBTC for the one country, and 3 mBTC for the other. What about both? (reporter notice: Assuming bitcoin is fully implemented, and houses have fallen to their use value, that is about half a house for each war). We will hire some guys to do the work for a reasonable compensation (not including compensation for the risk of not returning from the war alive). And we can not promise free health care to treat an eventual post traumatic stress syndrome, nor can we promise any pension. Sorry about that, it is not in the calculation, there is not money for that. So what say you?

Fuck yeah (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/01/14/169364733/u-s-militarys-suicide-rate-surpassed-combat-deaths-in-2012).

I'm not an elitist - I just think I'm better than you are. 

I'm not an elitist - I just think I'm better than you are.

I am an Ohio State Buckeye fan but lived in south GA for 4 years so I know exactly what you mean. I loved the warm winters but there was most definitely a culture shock when we moved down there. 

Yeah, it is a big culture shock. I've lived in California for a long time and it's too far in the opposite direction. I'd like to blend the two states and make a neutral one. Of all the states I've lived in Alabama was the scariest. When I was in school there I watched a boy get beaten up badly because he was gay (at least the other boys said he was). I wanted to stop it but was afraid they would call me gay. I still remember how bad I felt for doing nothing while they beat him. That's why Bitcoin isn't enough to stop wars. It's not the money it's the belief that violence solves problems that needs to change. If everyone in the country used Bitcoin and there is still a majority of violence loving idiots then wars will still be funded.

Violence is part of human nature for sure. There is no denying that. I don't think we will ever get rid of war altogether but even to limit it to small regional conflicts would be a great thing.

We all have regrets about not standing up for people that are bullied. Courage is a lot harder to find when you are young.

West Texas might be what you are looking for as far a middle ground. I grew up in El Paso and it was kind of an odd mix of west and southeast.

Countries use debt to finance wars. This is not the same as inflating their currency (using lower then market interest rates, QE, and the like).

There is little to no reason why a country couldn't issue debt denominated in bitcoin, much like other countries issue debt issued in US dollars.