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Title: The OK poll
Post by: bb113 on February 18, 2012, 10:18:39 AM
Threatening is not doing... does that make it "OK"?


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Vitalik Buterin on February 18, 2012, 10:35:03 AM
I answered depends - it depends on whether or not the threat was a credible threat. "ill kill u lolol" on an Internet forum != a 100-kg man walking up to you in the streets at night and demanding your money or your life.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Hawker on February 18, 2012, 12:27:32 PM
Threatening is not doing... does that make it "OK"?

A threat to kill is always an offensive act in and of itself. 


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: bb113 on February 18, 2012, 12:41:36 PM
Threatening is not doing... does that make it "OK"?

A threat to kill is always an offensive act in and of itself. 

I agree 100%


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: westkybitcoins on February 18, 2012, 10:56:13 PM
The obvious answer is "No," but there will always be exception cases (primarily plays/performances. Angry shouting spouses will need to assess for themselves how serious the threat was after cooling down, but if we're going to have laws, I wouldn't be too bothered by a law that even punished such a "heat of the moment" statement.)


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2012, 11:40:43 PM
People threaten to kill me all the time. I accept it.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Vandroiy on February 19, 2012, 08:08:11 PM
The actual question is what "OK" means, and whether situations exist where it is correct to do things not considered "OK".

A less extreme example: I don't think it is OK to steal. But if someone's life depends on me stealing some cheap object, of course I will do it, and figure out means of compensation afterward. Real life has an incredible amount of possible situations, it shouldn't be hard to think up one in which a death threat is appropriate.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Kettenmonster on February 19, 2012, 08:50:41 PM
Threatening is not doing... does that make it "OK"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_Communicative_Action
To cut the long story short. Communication is action.
So your assumption: "Threatening is not doing" is symply wrong.

In somewhat other words: Threaten to kill me could easily kill you. Its questing the law of supply and demand.
Others go to gym for relaxing whilst I chop firewood. So my axe is never far away plus I am skilled in using it.
Guess what, for me it would be fine as self defense is legal around here.
Even better, a knife with a blade less than an inch could be considered an illicit weapon though my chopper is not, it´s a tool not but never weapon.

 ... aggreed totally confusing! But ok for me. :P


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Hawker on February 19, 2012, 08:53:33 PM
Threatening is not doing... does that make it "OK"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_Communicative_Action
To cut the long story short. Communication is action.
So your assumption: "Threatening is not doing" is symply wrong.


In somewhat other words: Threaten to kill me could easily kill you. Its questing the law of supply and demand.
Others go to gym for relaxing whilst I chop firewood. So my axe is never far away plus I am skilled in using it.
Guess what, for me it would be fine as self defense is legal around here.
Even better, a knife with a blade less than an inch could be considered an illicit weapon though my chopper is not, it´s a tool not but never weapon.

 ... aggreed totally confusing! But ok for me. :P

Well said.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: bb113 on February 20, 2012, 12:08:32 AM
So don't these poll results conflict with those of the freedom of speech poll?


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: NghtRppr on February 22, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
You can only threaten to do what you have the right to do. You don't have the right to kill me. Therefore, you can't threaten to kill me. You have the right to tell my dirty secrets. Therefore, you have the right to threaten to tell my dirty secrets.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Hunterbunter on February 23, 2012, 08:52:11 AM
People threaten to kill me all the time. I accept it.

Somehow I find that hard to believe  :o.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: GideonGono on February 23, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
People threaten to kill me all the time. I accept it.

Hahahaha!

I wonder what that means? lol


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Kettenmonster on February 25, 2012, 02:03:50 PM
... You should only say “I’m going to kill you” if you really mean it ...
Why that? Would talking help in such a case?


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Kluge on February 25, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
... You should only say “I’m going to kill you” if you really mean it ...
Why that? Would talking help in such a case?
Well - it's a courtesy, which shows compassion. Telling someone you'll murder them is not just OK, it's admirable. The murderer is giving up the element of surprise to tell the victim truth.


Title: Re: The OK poll
Post by: Kettenmonster on February 25, 2012, 07:46:36 PM
I see its a quest of vanity.  ;D