Title: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 11, 2014, 02:31:41 AM Remember my thread that no one cared about relating to the District Convention that Cantor tried to steer away from the grassroots? Well, he got punked out tonight by an Economics professor Dave Brat in the 7th Congressional District of Virginia's Primary. This is Front and Center on The Drudge Report right now and is seen as putting the nail in the coffin on amnesty for illegal immigrants but the real story is how anti-NSA Brat is which is groovy for our types. He's pretty libertarian-ish on most things and will be a great ally in the House along side the Amash's and Massie's. BTW, Drudge is The Go-To site for all things politics and news in the US.
Title DC ROCKED: Cantor Loses Primary http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_VIRGINIA_PRIMARY_CANTOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-10-20-05-45 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_VIRGINIA_PRIMARY_CANTOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-10-20-05-45) The numbers were 55-45% towards Brat and I can't tell you folks how epic of an upset this is. I'm walking on sunshine up in here. Quote RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- In an upset for the ages, Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia, the second-most powerful man in the House, was dethroned Tuesday by a little-known, tea party-backed Republican primary challenger who rolled to victory on a wave of public anger over calls for looser immigration laws. ""This is a miracle from God that just happened," exulted David Brat, a political science professor as his victory became clear in the congressional district around Richmond. Speaking to downcast supporters, Cantor conceded, "Obviously we came up short." Quote Brat teaches at Randolph-Macon College, a small liberal arts school north of Richmond. He raised just over $200,000 for his campaign, while Cantor spent more than $1 million in April and May alone to try to beat back his challenge. To hell w/ the NRA that phony hunting and pro-police state fraud of a 2nd Amendment outfit. GOA or NAGR are the best groups, I'm a member of both.Washington-based groups also spent heavily in the race. The American Chemistry Council, whose members include many blue chip companies, spent more than $300,000 on TV ads promoting Cantor in the group's only independent expenditure so far this election year. Political arms of the American College of Radiology, the National Rifle Association and the National Association of Realtors also spent money on ads to promote Cantor. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 11, 2014, 02:37:44 AM ha, i heard it was due to a democrat (i forget his name) who encouraged democrats to vote for the tea party guy.. forgot that you could do that in some primaries.
reminds me of when michelle bachman needed $20 million to beat some democrat who had something like $1 million in finances. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 11, 2014, 02:53:01 AM Also, any of you remember numnuts Rep Mike Rogers (aka NSA loving pro-surveillance state motherfucker), well his seat is now open in mid Michigan and our guy state rep Tom McMillin is taking on Rogers' clone former state house speaker Mike Bishop. This Cantor race is likely going to give major momentum to McMillin. Heck, even Rep Amash's challenger is probably shitting right now. I know it's Tuesday but if you're a liberty lover you should be lining up shots right now in celebration. :D
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 11, 2014, 03:05:52 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging.
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 11, 2014, 03:09:55 AM it's funny because the republicans have been trying to marginalize the teabaggers, but apparently they (and the koch brothers) have created a monster that is possibly too big to destroy now. what i want to know is how can cantor go in with a conceived 34% lead in the polls, yet lose..
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 11, 2014, 03:15:22 AM it's funny because the republicans have been trying to marginalize the teabaggers, but apparently they (and the koch brothers) have created a monster that is possibly too big to destroy now. what i want to know is how can cantor go in with a conceived 34% lead in the polls, yet lose.. Social media, right wing conservative talk host support and GOTV. Plus, as I alluded to my other thread the district party's delegates were heavily in favor of Brat and likely did a lot of the legwork needed to produce turnout. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 11, 2014, 03:18:08 AM it's funny because the republicans have been trying to marginalize the teabaggers, but apparently they (and the koch brothers) have created a monster that is possibly too big to destroy now. what i want to know is how can cantor go in with a conceived 34% lead in the polls, yet lose.. Social media, right wing conservative talk host support and GOTV. Plus, as I alluded to my other thread the district party's delegates were heavily in favor of Brat and likely did a lot of the legwork needed to produce turnout. doesn't explain why their internal polling was so off though. but yeah, apparently cantor rubbed too many elbows and lost a lot of support doing it. Quote Each time he twisted tea party arms, though, it cost him politically, raising suspicions among grassroots activists that Cantor was an impure conservative. On Tuesday night, the tea party said no. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/10/eric-cantor-election-loss_n_5482674.html the funny thing is that he was the tea party supporter guy, and yet he got overtaken by one. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 11, 2014, 03:20:17 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. He blew his was already and of course the big wigs can double down if they want but this headline is too big and embarrassing to ride it to victory. Brat is going to be loaded up w/ conservative/libertarian money. If the rigging would've happened it would've happened today. Not to mention, the district party officers and delegates were pushing for Brat. Cantor had this coming for a while now. He was sacrificed at the alter of big establishment republican government. The establishment can either play tough guy here and ruin their image even more thus riling up more grassroots anger or live to fight another day.Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 11, 2014, 04:04:28 AM He blew his was already and of course the big wigs can double down if they want but this headline is too big and embarrassing to ride it to victory. Brat is going to be loaded up w/ conservative/libertarian money. If the rigging would've happened it would've happened today. Not to mention, the district party officers and delegates were pushing for Brat. Cantor had this coming for a while now. He was sacrificed at the alter of big establishment republican government. The establishment can either play tough guy here and ruin their image even more thus riling up more grassroots anger or live to fight another day. Glad to hear that Brat is having the support of district party officers and delegates. That will prevent any dirty tricks from the part of the Establishment guys. But as I posted earlier, it is going to be really tough if the Democrats lend their support to Cantor (I know that this is very unlikely, but it is a possibility). Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Harley997 on June 11, 2014, 04:09:49 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 11, 2014, 04:13:18 AM Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. Have to disagree here. If Eric Cantor runs as a write-in candidate, then he will take more Democrat votes than the Independent / Republican votes. A great example is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2010 There are many similarities for the two states. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 11, 2014, 04:19:43 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Harley997 on June 11, 2014, 04:24:02 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. GOP is able to garrymander due to control of Govonorships and state legislatures. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 11, 2014, 04:25:50 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. GOP is able to garrymander due to control of Govonorships and state legislatures. it would be nice if the lawmakers weren't the ones making the rules imposed on them. fucking ridiculous how they are so willing to cut everyone else's budgets but their own. many people have suggested that they be paid based on results, but they won't budge. that's like writing someone a blank check. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 11, 2014, 04:36:56 AM The media is working over-board to claim that Cantor was a loyal Republican (and not a RINO). One of the arguments they put is that he has voted as per the official GOP line, 95.3% of the times. Now this is how the media houses fool normal readers. He might have voted with the GOP on unimportant issues, but has he done the same on crucial bills, such as those dealing with immigration?
Check his voting history here: http://www.opencongress.org/people/voting_history/400060_Eric_Cantor Check those marked with (against party) Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Ron~Popeil on June 11, 2014, 05:22:23 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. You obviously don't live in a heavily unionized state or are simply not paying attention. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Harley997 on June 11, 2014, 06:03:15 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. GOP is able to garrymander due to control of Govonorships and state legislatures. it would be nice if the lawmakers weren't the ones making the rules imposed on them. fucking ridiculous how they are so willing to cut everyone else's budgets but their own. many people have suggested that they be paid based on results, but they won't budge. that's like writing someone a blank check. If they were paid based on results then they would have an incentive to vote for things that they don't think is best for their constituents. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 11, 2014, 06:12:40 AM You obviously don't live in a heavily unionized state or are simply not paying attention. Just another brainwashed Democrat supporter who parrots the same argument again and again. If the Republicans are accused of gerrymandering, then the Democrats are accused of vote rigging and bogus voting. The United States Senate election in Minnesota (2008) is still fresh in my mind. Even after extensive bogus voting (Democrat inner city precincts reported close to 100% polling), Franken was unable to win. Then lost ballots were discovered from various places, and the process went on until Franken's count was higher than that of Coleman. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Ron~Popeil on June 11, 2014, 06:26:32 AM You obviously don't live in a heavily unionized state or are simply not paying attention. Just another brainwashed Democrat supporter who parrots the same argument again and again. If the Republicans are accused of gerrymandering, then the Democrats are accused of vote rigging and bogus voting. The United States Senate election in Minnesota (2008) is still fresh in my mind. Even after extensive bogus voting (Democrat inner city precincts reported close to 100% polling), Franken was unable to win. Then lost ballots were discovered from various places, and the process went on until Franken's count was higher than that of Coleman. I remember that well. If anything republicans are too nice when that kind of shit happens. I was not a big fan of Mitt Romney but when Philadelphia precincts were reporting 100% turnout with 100% of the vote for Obama I kind of hoped he would ask for an explanation at the very least. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: galbros on June 11, 2014, 07:03:24 AM This is clearly bad news for the Republicans. Cantor was a major leader and had some intellectual heft (fairly or no) for them. If he runs as a write in there is a good chance he'll split the Republican vote and allow the Democrat candidate to win. Bad night for the Republican establishment.
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 11, 2014, 07:24:32 AM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. You obviously don't live in a heavily unionized state or are simply not paying attention. oh please. i'm talking about the politicians and the wealthy billionaires who pay them to make certain laws. labor unions do buy off politicians too, but not even close to the impact of the koch brothers, roger ailes, rupbert murdoch, and george soros. it makes sense you're from texas though. unions don't have nearly enough money to bribe the politicians too. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 11, 2014, 05:35:12 PM Too early to celebrate. I heard that Cantor is considering to contest the election as a write-in candidate. Considering that the constituency is heavily Republican, he may get the Democrat support. A repetition of the 2010 Alaska senate election? For sure, Cantor has the resources and funds to do the bogus voting and vote rigging. That could be very risky. Although GOP is expected (IMO) to gain seats in the house it is generally not good to risk any seats to the other party. Having two republicans run against each other greatly increases the chances of a Democrat winning the seat. you know, the funny thing is that republicans get the lower amount of votes, but end up winning more seats due to gerrymandering. http://library.cqpress.com/elections/document.php?id=rcookltr-1527-84193-2523552 democrats aren't as organized or vicious as republicans, hence them being mocked as pussies. You obviously don't live in a heavily unionized state or are simply not paying attention. oh please. i'm talking about the politicians and the wealthy billionaires who pay them to make certain laws. labor unions do buy off politicians too, but not even close to the impact of the koch brothers, roger ailes, rupbert murdoch, and george soros. it makes sense you're from texas though. unions don't have nearly enough money to bribe the politicians too. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php (https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php) ^They're the guys that are the known political donation watch dog group. You'll find everything you'll need to form an honest and informed opinion after scanning it. Koch bros are usually associated w/ giving money to tea party or liberty movement candidates, Ailes and Murdoch are typically mainstream establishment donors and Soros is a raging leftist donor. That said, the unions' donations reign supreme. Let's face it whenever any of these unions are given a govt contract to fix roads or whatever a certain percentage of that money (our taxpayer money) is rerouted in the form of union dues back to democratic candidates. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 11, 2014, 06:17:29 PM This is clearly bad news for the Republicans. Cantor was a major leader and had some intellectual heft (fairly or no) for them. If he runs as a write in there is a good chance he'll split the Republican vote and allow the Democrat candidate to win. Bad night for the Republican establishment. May be there is a chance for this. But if he runs in as a write-in candidate, he will get votes in equal amounts from both the Democrats and the Republicans. RINO politicians tend to get massive support from the Democrat-leaning population, once they are kicked out of the GOP. I have already given the example of Florida 2010. Remember what happened when the RINO Charlie Crist decided to run as an independent. The GOP lost less than 1% of the votes (50% in 2004 to 49% in 2010), while the Democrats lost a whooping 28% of their vote. Crist got 30% of the vote in total, and a very large majority of those who voted for him were Democrats. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 12, 2014, 01:52:44 AM The news coming out is that Cantor is resigning his #2 position in leadership and there will be a new person getting voted in. The fact that this was seen as a referendum on amnesty and key neocons are freaking out about the "direction" of the party means Cantor is likely done. He won't go for a double embarrassment, he'll just get a lobbying spot and make a lot more money. He did his job for the insider establishment, played nice w/ Obama, raised some money and now gets to move on.
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 12, 2014, 01:59:19 AM ha, part of me thinks this whole game is interesting.. and another part of me thinks that it doesn't even matter what happens, we're still all fucked basically the same we were even if cantor weren't unseated.
it's kind of like taking down a drug cartel boss, only to have another one pop up. same bloodshed, same sadistic wacko. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 12, 2014, 02:41:27 AM ^Yeah but when you got the likes of Rep Peter King the neocon freaking out about adding another Paul sympathizer into the House and beating one of their Aces, it's a great thing. Major bragging rights plus it helps similar minded other candidates running in their races and giving them a leg up against establishment candidates.
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 12, 2014, 03:08:41 AM More Facts About The Tea-Party's "Goliath-Slayer" David Brat
Quote Slowly but surely, more is being revealed about Eric Cantor's unknown until now (so unknown that his Wikipedia entry was only two sentences before Tuesday night) nemesis, the anti-big business, anti-Wall Street, anti establishment "Goliath-slayer" David Brat. In addition to our profile from this morning, here is the latest compilation of biographical factoids about the suddenly uber-famous tea party activist, who has written about the role of religion in economic growth. He is also a fan of the pro-capitalist novelist Ayn Rand. Here are some facts about Brat from Reuters. Cont...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-11/more-facts-about-tea-partys-goliath-slayer-david-brat (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-11/more-facts-about-tea-partys-goliath-slayer-david-brat)Check the article out, this guy is truly a dream boat. ;D Figured I'd mix in a little lingo from Marty's mom in Back to the Future. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 12, 2014, 03:13:09 AM ^Yeah but when you got the likes of Rep Peter King the neocon freaking out about adding another Paul sympathizer into the House and beating one of their Aces, it's a great thing. Major bragging rights plus it helps similar minded other candidates running in their races and giving them a leg up against establishment candidates. but how do you feel about the tea party candidates? what if they pull off another fiscal cliff, and are successful the next time? it would cause disaster, but maybe we need something like that to shake shit up. i don't think i could back a tea party candidate though, most of them sound too crazy. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2014, 03:27:26 AM I don't think i could back a tea party candidate though, most of them sound too crazy. They definitely don't sound crazy when they talk about big government spending, taxes, and immigration. If there is no tea party, then there will be no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 12, 2014, 05:47:45 AM I don't think i could back a tea party candidate though, most of them sound too crazy. They definitely don't sound crazy when they talk about big government spending, taxes, and immigration. If there is no tea party, then there will be no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. they sound crazy when they say crazy shit, as mentioned in the other thread. i don't know how you can defend a "grassroots" party that was funded by the koch brothers. and apparently cantor had $5 million against his challenger's $100k to spend on the campaign.. funny how having 50x the amount he has doesn't guarantee a win. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2014, 10:18:30 AM and apparently cantor had $5 million against his challenger's $100k to spend on the campaign.. funny how having 50x the amount he has doesn't guarantee a win. Nowadays, with the penetration of the social media, having millions of USD in your campaign funds won't guarantee you anything. The grass-roots Republicans were extremely hostile to Cantor, on the issue of immigration. They used social media to spread their message, which Cantor tried to counter-attack by splashing his TV ads 100 times a day in all the major channels. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Spendulus on June 12, 2014, 11:59:27 AM I don't think i could back a tea party candidate though, most of them sound too crazy. They definitely don't sound crazy when they talk about big government spending, taxes, and immigration. If there is no tea party, then there will be no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. The fact that they SOUND CRAZY is related to the fact that they want to discuss crazy stuff which is destroying the country. That is different than them being crazy. It means Washington D.C. (District of Criminals) is crazy. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 12, 2014, 05:35:30 PM ^Yeah but when you got the likes of Rep Peter King the neocon freaking out about adding another Paul sympathizer into the House and beating one of their Aces, it's a great thing. Major bragging rights plus it helps similar minded other candidates running in their races and giving them a leg up against establishment candidates. but how do you feel about the tea party candidates? what if they pull off another fiscal cliff, and are successful the next time? it would cause disaster, but maybe we need something like that to shake shit up. i don't think i could back a tea party candidate though, most of them sound too crazy. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2014, 05:40:17 PM Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) is likley to be elected as the next GOP House Majority Leader. Michele Bachmann is also a possibility, but right now it looks like she is lacking enough support.
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 12, 2014, 05:54:01 PM Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) is likley to be elected as the next GOP House Majority Leader. Michele Bachmann is also a possibility, but right now it looks like she is lacking enough support. michelle bachman doesn't seem to be popular at all. in 2012 she barely won the race for the house seat in minnesota, even though she had a record-breaking $20 million vs. something like $1 against her competitor. all the crazy shit she has said and done in the past has caught up to her. she may be the craziest republican candidate to date. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: tvbcof on June 12, 2014, 06:32:43 PM Cenk did a pretty good analysis about this and made a convincing case that the 'immigration reform' excuse for Cantor's ass-whoopin does NOT hold a lot of water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkIm7EZcxs I'd say that there is little light between Brat and Warren on their (current and stated) attitudes about how money and politics work in our current system, and THAT is why both are successful. And more importantly, why those who can make a convincing argument that they hold the same attitudes will be successful going forward. I don't see much mention of the parallels between the Cantor and Lieberman experiences and comparing the two. If Cantor tries to stick around through some mechanism (and especially if he succeeds which is likely) then I don't think it will be possible to avoid comparing him to Lieberman. Lieberman was already a pretty loathsome creature in the eyes of progressives before he lost the primary, but his true colors really went on display in a major way when he served as an Independent. As for Brat, when I look down his list of policy positions I personally am against almost every frickin one of them. But as long as he means what he says and executes on it in terms of fighting crony capitalism, I'm delighted to see him in the federal govt. Seems to me that 'tea party' folks at least as prone than anyone to get sucked in to the game. OTOH, I know nothing about Amash positions other than that he is on the right side of the domestic spying issue and fighting the good fight. Even if he is wrong on everything else, his activities in this one area are worth it to me. It is a VERY positive trend that the plebs on both sides are really getting fed up with money in politics. Both sides need to be on the lookout for astroturf which, I suspect, will be the main way that the establishment will respond to this threat. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 12, 2014, 08:03:05 PM ^ yeah, i'm hoping there are some people in washington who are fed up with money in politics. there is absolutely no reason why a presidential hopeful has to start their campaign literally 2 years before the damn elections.. that just means they have to make more promises to the large corporations.
another reason why i hate republicans: they are largely responsible for this new era of injecting money into politics. see "citizens united." i think campaign finance reform + stopping the gerrymandering would go a long way in fixing our problems.. but they have too much of a stronghold at this point. and i'm sure there are people here who would be against it, but i kinda wish that the presidential campaigns were federally funded, and each candidate gets the same amount of money so we have a level playing field. it would probably do a lot to help the middle class, since we wouldn't have presidential hopefuls selling themselves to wallstreet, bankers, and large corporations. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 12, 2014, 11:50:16 PM As for Brat, when I look down his list of policy positions I personally am against almost every frickin one of them. But as long as he means what he says and executes on it in terms of fighting crony capitalism, I'm delighted to see him in the federal govt. Seems to me that 'tea party' folks at least as prone than anyone to get sucked in to the game. OTOH, I know nothing about Amash positions other than that he is on the right side of the domestic spying issue and fighting the good fight. Even if he is wrong on everything else, his activities in this one area are worth it to me. Dude, here's Brat's Issues section Quote Issues There's nothing there that I disagree w/. If we had more of these kinds of republicans in Congress and in the Big House, America would have a very different reputation than it does now. He'll be real tight w/ Amash on damn near every issue. I can't overstate how great of a win this was but now we gotta double down for the General election. Ya can't just be pro-freedom on one good issue to be acceptable or better for America. The message this sent was deafening and embarrassing to those that have been ripping us off for decades all the while campaigning like conservatives. I'm happy some of the people in the GOP are starting to see through this.Obamacare Obamacare has proven to be an economically disastrous law and an unconstitutional power grab by our Federal Government. The government cannot and should not be permitted to run and regulate nearly 20% of our nation’s economy. We must restore the relationship between doctor and patient. We must restore the relationship between price and service in medicine or we will continue on the Road to Serfdom. I support a plan to defund the law and replace it with free-market solutions that lower costs, improve quality, and increase access to care. Fiscal Responsibility Our national debt has skyrocketed, reaching over $17 trillion dollars. What our leaders in Washington fail to mention is the $127 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities (see U.S. Debt Clock). This lack of leadership on both sides of the aisle threatens our nation’s stability and long term growth and forces an undue burden on our children and grandchildren. We must balance the federal budget by reducing spending. I will support a balanced budget amendment which will force Congress to reign in the out of control federal spending and to restore confidence in the American economy. Immigration When addressing the issue of immigration, we must start by securing our border. An open border is both a national security threat and an economic threat that our country cannot ignore. I reject any proposal that grants amnesty and undermines the fundamental rule of law. Adding millions of workers to the labor market will force wages to fall and jobs to be lost. I support proposals that will secure our border, enforce our current laws, and restore an orderly and fair process to allow law abiding individuals to work towards becoming citizens of this great nation. Term Limits I am a strong proponent of term limits for members of Congress. Career politicians and special moneyed interests have corrupted our democratic system. I pledge to support and submit legislation that enforces term limits. Ideally, Congressional term limits would be for 12 years total, across both The House and The Senate. Thus, I pledge to term limit myself to 12 years in Congress. 2nd Amendment I will oppose any efforts to undermine or limit the Constitutional right to bear arms. I am a strong supporter of gun rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right enshrined in the constitution for a reason - it provides the people with the ultimate guarantee of sovereignty. I will oppose any back door attempts to confiscate guns or create a national gun registry. All too frequently the knee jerk reaction to tragedies by the media and chattering class is to move to restrict our rights. In Congress, I will be a steady and firm supporter of our 2nd amendment rights at all times - not just when it is convenient. Our founding documents make it clear that our inalienable rights come from God and that the job of the government is to ensure and protect those God given rights. I intend to keep it that way. Education As an economist and educator for eighteen years, I understand the value of a good education. This is why I oppose top down approaches by the Federal Government such as Common Core and No Child Left Behind. I will support efforts to place Virginia’s teachers, parents, and local officials, who best understand the needs of the community, in control of our education system. National Security/Foreign Policy Ronald Reagan said it best: “Peace through strength.” A strong military is essential to the success of our nation. We must secure our borders, support the Armed Forces, both at home and abroad, and maintain a strong national defense in order to secure our country’s future. In addition, I support a full investigation into the Benghazi attacks. Federal Reserve I support a full audit of the Federal Reserve System. Energy I support a broad-spectrum energy approach that relies on the free market. The private sector must be set free to invest in natural gas, wind, solar, oil, nuclear, and other forms of energy as we move forward. Ending our reliance on foreign oil and moving toward energy independence is vital to the future welfare of America. 10th Amendment The federal government has grown far too large. Our Founders envisioned a nation in which the federal government’s powers were explicitly listed and limited. I fully support the Constitution and enforcing the 10th Amendment and getting the government out of the way of economic growth. I will work to bring power back to the Commonwealth of Virginia. Individual Freedoms The federal government’s abuse of our freedoms has spun out of control. Whether it is the NSA violating our 4th Amendment Rights by collecting phone records, the IRS violating our 1st Amendment rights by targeting conservative organizations, or President Obama violating our 5th Amendment rights with the indefinite detention of American citizens, our freedoms have been under attack and they must be restored. Uphold Human Life Human life is sacred, as proclaimed by our founding documents, and I will always support laws that protect life. Our fundamental rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness precede the existence of government and come from God, the Author of Nature. These core constitutional rights have been usurped by the Judicial and Executive Branches and must be returned to the people and their representatives. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 12, 2014, 11:58:28 PM As for Brat, when I look down his list of policy positions I personally am against almost every frickin one of them. But as long as he means what he says and executes on it in terms of fighting crony capitalism, I'm delighted to see him in the federal govt. Seems to me that 'tea party' folks at least as prone than anyone to get sucked in to the game. OTOH, I know nothing about Amash positions other than that he is on the right side of the domestic spying issue and fighting the good fight. Even if he is wrong on everything else, his activities in this one area are worth it to me. Dude, here's Brat's Issues section Quote Issues There's nothing there that I disagree w/. If we had more of these kinds of republicans in Congress and in the Big House, America would have a very different reputation than it does now. He'll be real tight w/ Amash on damn near every issue. I can't overstate how great of a win this was but now we gotta double down for the General election. Ya can't just be pro-freedom on one good issue to be acceptable or better for America. The message this sent was deafening and embarrassing to those that have been ripping us off for decades all the while campaigning like conservatives. I'm happy some of the people in the GOP are starting to see through this.Obamacare Obamacare has proven to be an economically disastrous law and an unconstitutional power grab by our Federal Government. The government cannot and should not be permitted to run and regulate nearly 20% of our nation’s economy. We must restore the relationship between doctor and patient. We must restore the relationship between price and service in medicine or we will continue on the Road to Serfdom. I support a plan to defund the law and replace it with free-market solutions that lower costs, improve quality, and increase access to care. Fiscal Responsibility Our national debt has skyrocketed, reaching over $17 trillion dollars. What our leaders in Washington fail to mention is the $127 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities (see U.S. Debt Clock). This lack of leadership on both sides of the aisle threatens our nation’s stability and long term growth and forces an undue burden on our children and grandchildren. We must balance the federal budget by reducing spending. I will support a balanced budget amendment which will force Congress to reign in the out of control federal spending and to restore confidence in the American economy. Immigration When addressing the issue of immigration, we must start by securing our border. An open border is both a national security threat and an economic threat that our country cannot ignore. I reject any proposal that grants amnesty and undermines the fundamental rule of law. Adding millions of workers to the labor market will force wages to fall and jobs to be lost. I support proposals that will secure our border, enforce our current laws, and restore an orderly and fair process to allow law abiding individuals to work towards becoming citizens of this great nation. Term Limits I am a strong proponent of term limits for members of Congress. Career politicians and special moneyed interests have corrupted our democratic system. I pledge to support and submit legislation that enforces term limits. Ideally, Congressional term limits would be for 12 years total, across both The House and The Senate. Thus, I pledge to term limit myself to 12 years in Congress. 2nd Amendment I will oppose any efforts to undermine or limit the Constitutional right to bear arms. I am a strong supporter of gun rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right enshrined in the constitution for a reason - it provides the people with the ultimate guarantee of sovereignty. I will oppose any back door attempts to confiscate guns or create a national gun registry. All too frequently the knee jerk reaction to tragedies by the media and chattering class is to move to restrict our rights. In Congress, I will be a steady and firm supporter of our 2nd amendment rights at all times - not just when it is convenient. Our founding documents make it clear that our inalienable rights come from God and that the job of the government is to ensure and protect those God given rights. I intend to keep it that way. Education As an economist and educator for eighteen years, I understand the value of a good education. This is why I oppose top down approaches by the Federal Government such as Common Core and No Child Left Behind. I will support efforts to place Virginia’s teachers, parents, and local officials, who best understand the needs of the community, in control of our education system. National Security/Foreign Policy Ronald Reagan said it best: “Peace through strength.” A strong military is essential to the success of our nation. We must secure our borders, support the Armed Forces, both at home and abroad, and maintain a strong national defense in order to secure our country’s future. In addition, I support a full investigation into the Benghazi attacks. Federal Reserve I support a full audit of the Federal Reserve System. Energy I support a broad-spectrum energy approach that relies on the free market. The private sector must be set free to invest in natural gas, wind, solar, oil, nuclear, and other forms of energy as we move forward. Ending our reliance on foreign oil and moving toward energy independence is vital to the future welfare of America. 10th Amendment The federal government has grown far too large. Our Founders envisioned a nation in which the federal government’s powers were explicitly listed and limited. I fully support the Constitution and enforcing the 10th Amendment and getting the government out of the way of economic growth. I will work to bring power back to the Commonwealth of Virginia. Individual Freedoms The federal government’s abuse of our freedoms has spun out of control. Whether it is the NSA violating our 4th Amendment Rights by collecting phone records, the IRS violating our 1st Amendment rights by targeting conservative organizations, or President Obama violating our 5th Amendment rights with the indefinite detention of American citizens, our freedoms have been under attack and they must be restored. Uphold Human Life Human life is sacred, as proclaimed by our founding documents, and I will always support laws that protect life. Our fundamental rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness precede the existence of government and come from God, the Author of Nature. These core constitutional rights have been usurped by the Judicial and Executive Branches and must be returned to the people and their representatives. i do think it's promising. he was asked whether he thought a minimum wage increase was a good idea or not, and he made an honest statement: he doesn't know whether it's good or bad. problem is, he's going to be a minority in the house. he'll have to win public support, or by his next election cycle, he's going to be booted. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 13, 2014, 12:22:31 AM As for Brat, when I look down his list of policy positions I personally am against almost every frickin one of them. But as long as he means what he says and executes on it in terms of fighting crony capitalism, I'm delighted to see him in the federal govt. Seems to me that 'tea party' folks at least as prone than anyone to get sucked in to the game. OTOH, I know nothing about Amash positions other than that he is on the right side of the domestic spying issue and fighting the good fight. Even if he is wrong on everything else, his activities in this one area are worth it to me. Dude, here's Brat's Issues section Quote Issues snip i do think it's promising. he was asked whether he thought a minimum wage increase was a good idea or not, and he made an honest statement: he doesn't know whether it's good or bad. problem is, he's going to be a minority in the house. he'll have to win public support, or by his next election cycle, he's going to be booted. Assuming he gets elected in a republican district, he's already made a name for himself and he'll be straight going forward. Remember, he'll always be known as the dragon slayer. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 13, 2014, 03:29:25 AM Rep. Cantor’s Defeat a Blow to Runaway Military Spending
Quote House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor (R – VA) lost his primary challenge to relative unknown David Brat, who ran against him on surveillance issues. The real loser may have been the military industrial complex, who had no better friend in the Congressional leadership. http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/11/rep-cantors-defeat-a-blow-to-runaway-military-spending/ (http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/11/rep-cantors-defeat-a-blow-to-runaway-military-spending/)There are a lot of hawks out there, but there were few as outspokenly supportive of deficit-pumping military overspending than the outgoing majority leader, and that had a lot of fiscal conservatives hoping to challenge him for the position. Now, they won’t have to. Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R – TX) is one potential new leader in the post-Cantor era, and he and others bring more interest in sequestration and keeping spending under control, something that won’t sit well with the outgoing leadership, or the lobbyists behind them. Cantor has long been railing against the Tea Party and other advocates of spending cuts as “isolationists” for believing the US could only afford a finite number of wars. In case few are familiar w/ the above site, ya gotta keep tabs on it as it's the heavy weight site for real analyzing of foreign policy from a non-interventionist viewpoint. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: tvbcof on June 13, 2014, 03:52:12 AM This is not exactly the list I saw, but since we are talking politics it might be useful to know how this progressive thinks. As for Brat, when I look down his list of policy positions I personally am against almost every frickin one of them. But as long as he means what he says and executes on it in terms of fighting crony capitalism, I'm delighted to see him in the federal govt. Seems to me that 'tea party' folks at least as prone than anyone to get sucked in to the game. OTOH, I know nothing about Amash positions other than that he is on the right side of the domestic spying issue and fighting the good fight. Even if he is wrong on everything else, his activities in this one area are worth it to me. Dude, here's Brat's Issues section Quote Issues Obamacare Obamacare has proven to be an economically disastrous law and an unconstitutional power grab by our Federal Government. The government cannot and should not be permitted to run and regulate nearly 20% of our nation’s economy. We must restore the relationship between doctor and patient. We must restore the relationship between price and service in medicine or we will continue on the Road to Serfdom. I support a plan to defund the law and replace it with free-market solutions that lower costs, improve quality, and increase access to care. Quote Quote Fiscal Responsibility Our national debt has skyrocketed, reaching over $17 trillion dollars. What our leaders in Washington fail to mention is the $127 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities (see U.S. Debt Clock). This lack of leadership on both sides of the aisle threatens our nation’s stability and long term growth and forces an undue burden on our children and grandchildren. We must balance the federal budget by reducing spending. I will support a balanced budget amendment which will force Congress to reign in the out of control federal spending and to restore confidence in the American economy. Quote Quote Immigration When addressing the issue of immigration, we must start by securing our border. An open border is both a national security threat and an economic threat that our country cannot ignore. I reject any proposal that grants amnesty and undermines the fundamental rule of law. Adding millions of workers to the labor market will force wages to fall and jobs to be lost. I support proposals that will secure our border, enforce our current laws, and restore an orderly and fair process to allow law abiding individuals to work towards becoming citizens of this great nation. Quote Quote Term Limits I am a strong proponent of term limits for members of Congress. Career politicians and special moneyed interests have corrupted our democratic system. I pledge to support and submit legislation that enforces term limits. Ideally, Congressional term limits would be for 12 years total, across both The House and The Senate. Thus, I pledge to term limit myself to 12 years in Congress. Quote Quote 2nd Amendment I will oppose any efforts to undermine or limit the Constitutional right to bear arms. I am a strong supporter of gun rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right enshrined in the constitution for a reason - it provides the people with the ultimate guarantee of sovereignty. I will oppose any back door attempts to confiscate guns or create a national gun registry. All too frequently the knee jerk reaction to tragedies by the media and chattering class is to move to restrict our rights. In Congress, I will be a steady and firm supporter of our 2nd amendment rights at all times - not just when it is convenient. Our founding documents make it clear that our inalienable rights come from God and that the job of the government is to ensure and protect those God given rights. I intend to keep it that way. Quote Quote Education As an economist and educator for eighteen years, I understand the value of a good education. This is why I oppose top down approaches by the Federal Government such as Common Core and No Child Left Behind. I will support efforts to place Virginia’s teachers, parents, and local officials, who best understand the needs of the community, in control of our education system. Quote Quote National Security/Foreign Policy Ronald Reagan said it best: “Peace through strength.” A strong military is essential to the success of our nation. We must secure our borders, support the Armed Forces, both at home and abroad, and maintain a strong national defense in order to secure our country’s future. In addition, I support a full investigation into the Benghazi attacks. Quote Quote Federal Reserve I support a full audit of the Federal Reserve System. Quote Quote Energy I support a broad-spectrum energy approach that relies on the free market. The private sector must be set free to invest in natural gas, wind, solar, oil, nuclear, and other forms of energy as we move forward. Ending our reliance on foreign oil and moving toward energy independence is vital to the future welfare of America. Quote Quote 10th Amendment The federal government has grown far too large. Our Founders envisioned a nation in which the federal government’s powers were explicitly listed and limited. I fully support the Constitution and enforcing the 10th Amendment and getting the government out of the way of economic growth. I will work to bring power back to the Commonwealth of Virginia. Quote Quote Individual Freedoms The federal government’s abuse of our freedoms has spun out of control. Whether it is the NSA violating our 4th Amendment Rights by collecting phone records, the IRS violating our 1st Amendment rights by targeting conservative organizations, or President Obama violating our 5th Amendment rights with the indefinite detention of American citizens, our freedoms have been under attack and they must be restored. Quote Quote Uphold Human Life Human life is sacred, as proclaimed by our founding documents, and I will always support laws that protect life. Our fundamental rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness precede the existence of government and come from God, the Author of Nature. These core constitutional rights have been usurped by the Judicial and Executive Branches and must be returned to the people and their representatives. Quote Quote There's nothing there that I disagree w/. If we had more of these kinds of republicans in Congress and in the Big House, America would have a very different reputation than it does now. He'll be real tight w/ Amash on damn near every issue. I can't overstate how great of a win this was but now we gotta double down for the General election. Ya can't just be pro-freedom on one good issue to be acceptable or better for America. The message this sent was deafening and embarrassing to those that have been ripping us off for decades all the while campaigning like conservatives. I'm happy some of the people in the GOP are starting to see through this. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: tvbcof on June 13, 2014, 06:40:15 AM Quote Cantor has long been railing against the Tea Party and other advocates of spending cuts as “isolationists” for believing the US could only afford a finite number of wars. http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/11/rep-cantors-defeat-a-blow-to-runaway-military-spending/ (http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/11/rep-cantors-defeat-a-blow-to-runaway-military-spending/)In case few are familiar w/ the above site, ya gotta keep tabs on it as it's the heavy weight site for real analyzing of foreign policy from a non-interventionist viewpoint. Just for the record (from the house progressive here), Antiwar is one of my long term go-to sites for a lot of news. I lend financial support to them from time to time (especially since they take Bitcoin) and almost no others that I can think of. Not only do they do a good job at what they do but they also put Libertarians in a good light. Were it not for them, I would be even more anti-Libertarian than I am. Not totally off-topic, I've been reading more about Cantor's loss and the various theories. Especially the 'anti-semitic' slant which there seems to be some reticence to even mention. It's discussed most forthrightly in Israeli media. Excessive support for the state of Israel is certainly a problem for me and is something which would factor significantly into my vote. I am quite sure that this is not 'anti-semitic' insofar as it's a result of 'hatred of Jews' because quite simply I don't. I dislike many of the actions of the state of Israel and I dis-like the ways that supporters of the state manipulate our politics, policies, and society, and I see these things as damaging to our country. That's all. For whatever reason or set of reasons, it seems that Israel towers above all other nations in terms of being able to marshal OUR politicians to a near fanatic support of THEIR objectives. If any other nation did so on this level I'd be suspicious and negative about them just as I am about Israel in this way. Anyway, I would not rule out the possibility that many other voters on all sides of the spectrum feel as I do and will vote on it. And this very well may have been a factor in Cantor's downfall. I hope this is the case and I hope the trend continues. I can imagine it putting many groups into panic mode, and in my research on the topic that seems to be the case. Several stories have lamented the fact that Cantor was rounding up Jr. Republicans and sending the to Israel, and now he's gone so who's going to be doing that? Hopefully no one! They are supposed to be U.S. politicians beholden to the need of U.S. citizens. The program itself strikes me as highly problematic, and again, I would feel the same if some it happened systematically with respect to any country. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 16, 2014, 09:04:34 PM The Real Story of Eric Cantor’s Downfall
Quote Helpful guide for people who actually get paid to write things for a living but still haven’t the foggiest clue what went down in the 7th District this past week. The more current listings of his downfall are at the link and it shows what a perfect storm can be had when you get a lot of people in party positions riled up w/ hubris.This is not the story of how Dave Brat won – this is the story of how Eric Cantor lost. Additional storylines relating to this race are not fully articulated here. Miscellaneous preliminaries 8/20/2013 Obama Economy Claims Latest Victim: Boyd Marcus who was apparently the brains of the outfit, the remaining half of which managed Cantor’s historic defeat 9/5/2013 How Virginia Congressmen will vote on Syria Cantor out of touch, playing ball with Obama – business as usual The Establishment Strikes Back – Slating in Virginia Beach Escalating contention dating back years between grassroots Republicans and the party establishment came to a head in early March of this year. Establishment allies deployed a shocking and repulsive new-old tactic called “slating” to maintain their loosening control over the party. Then the fun began… http://thebullelephant.com/real-story-eric-cantors-downfall/ (http://thebullelephant.com/real-story-eric-cantors-downfall/) Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 16, 2014, 10:21:17 PM saw last night on john oliver that he was the GOP's biggest proponent of immigration reform - so basically, at least for the next 2 years, don't expect to see any improvements on that front.
it was kind of funny on his show last night. republicans don't want immigration reform because most of the latinos that come in know that the GOP isn't looking out for their interests. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 17, 2014, 12:54:14 AM saw last night on john oliver that he was the GOP's biggest proponent of immigration reform - so basically, at least for the next 2 years, don't expect to see any improvements on that front. For me, I'm an open borders person as long as there isn't a welfare state. Until then, we can't take the world's poor w/ no questions asked. I like what Rand Paul proposes which is securing the border first, then make alterations to the visa and future citizen statuses in a more orderly manner. Also, getting him elected to the Presidency would allow the country to cut spending across the board w/ a meat hook and get us back on firmer footing. Social security and medicare need to be dealt w/ so then the present gens can opt out and move on.it was kind of funny on his show last night. republicans don't want immigration reform because most of the latinos that come in know that the GOP isn't looking out for their interests. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: tvbcof on June 17, 2014, 01:18:50 AM saw last night on john oliver that he was the GOP's biggest proponent of immigration reform - so basically, at least for the next 2 years, don't expect to see any improvements on that front. it was kind of funny on his show last night. republicans don't want immigration reform because most of the latinos that come in know that the GOP isn't looking out for their interests. Many of the Latinos and Asians I know seem to have a propensity toward being on the right-wing side of the equation. Of course if one is completely clear that they expect said Latino or Asian to be a good bullet-stopper, toilet scrubber, or code monkey and not much more then it detracts from their reliability as a person who votes correctly. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 18, 2014, 06:49:33 AM ha, so apparently cantor was supplanted not because the tea party is so great, or some sort of revolution.. but instead, it's possible that a faction of the republican party, a xenophobic one, wanted to stop him from introducing immigration reform.
Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 18, 2014, 07:02:37 AM Many of the Latinos and Asians I know seem to have a propensity toward being on the right-wing side of the equation. The Latinos and Asians are not homogeneous groups. Groups such as Cubans and Argentines are included within the Latinos, although they tend to support the GOP. Similarly, the Vietnamese and the Koreans do vote for GOP in good numbers. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: Spendulus on June 19, 2014, 04:31:41 AM saw last night on john oliver that he was the GOP's biggest proponent of immigration reform - so basically, at least for the next 2 years, don't expect to see any improvements on that front. it was kind of funny on his show last night. republicans don't want immigration reform because most of the latinos that come in know that the GOP isn't looking out for their interests. Many of the Latinos and Asians I know seem to have a propensity toward being on the right-wing side of the equation.... :) Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: tvbcof on June 19, 2014, 04:48:19 AM saw last night on john oliver that he was the GOP's biggest proponent of immigration reform - so basically, at least for the next 2 years, don't expect to see any improvements on that front. it was kind of funny on his show last night. republicans don't want immigration reform because most of the latinos that come in know that the GOP isn't looking out for their interests. Many of the Latinos and Asians I know seem to have a propensity toward being on the right-wing side of the equation.... :) Slight overstatement perhaps. Certainly it is more correct in a population drawn from this forum. But I'll certainly not argue with the basic suggestion. My sense in the above statement is that such people have some desire to prove that they are 'good Americans'. Since right-wingers tend to make more of a show of wrapping themselves in the flag, it's natural that they would be the pole to which those who desire to 'prove themselves' would gravitate. Also, immigrants from certain zones are more likely to be drawn from the right wing of their native country so they have the basic neural wiring for right wing thought patterns. Just my hypothesis. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 19, 2014, 05:45:00 AM saw last night on john oliver that he was the GOP's biggest proponent of immigration reform - so basically, at least for the next 2 years, don't expect to see any improvements on that front. it was kind of funny on his show last night. republicans don't want immigration reform because most of the latinos that come in know that the GOP isn't looking out for their interests. Many of the Latinos and Asians I know seem to have a propensity toward being on the right-wing side of the equation.... :) Slight overstatement perhaps. Certainly it is more correct in a population drawn from this forum. But I'll certainly not argue with the basic suggestion. My sense in the above statement is that such people have some desire to prove that they are 'good Americans'. Since right-wingers tend to make more of a show of wrapping themselves in the flag, it's natural that they would be the pole to which those who desire to 'prove themselves' would gravitate. Also, immigrants from certain zones are more likely to be drawn from the right wing of their native country so they have the basic neural wiring for right wing thought patterns. Just my hypothesis. you think being republican is more synonymous with "being american"? and i don't know what kind of latinos you're familiar with, but most do not support the GOP because the GOP is completely against them. maybe you know cubans? Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2014, 06:40:38 AM and i don't know what kind of latinos you're familiar with, but most do not support the GOP because the GOP is completely against them. maybe you know cubans? The GOP is not against the Latinos as a race. The tea party and Libertarian segments of the GOP are against those Hispanics who have entered the US illegally. But they are not against those who have migrated legally, such as the vast majority of the Cubans. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: beetcoin on June 19, 2014, 07:52:47 AM and i don't know what kind of latinos you're familiar with, but most do not support the GOP because the GOP is completely against them. maybe you know cubans? The GOP is not against the Latinos as a race. The tea party and Libertarian segments of the GOP are against those Hispanics who have entered the US illegally. But they are not against those who have migrated legally, such as the vast majority of the Cubans. i can't listen to you say this and not think that you are seriously living in a republican bubble. if they didn't have anything against hispanics, then i'd think the party would be much more diverse than 90% caucasian. http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx oh and despite what you say, 1% of asians are republican and 2% are democrats. Title: Re: GOP House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Goes Down Hard Tonight!! Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2014, 10:26:36 AM i can't listen to you say this and not think that you are seriously living in a republican bubble. if they didn't have anything against hispanics, then i'd think the party would be much more diverse than 90% caucasian. http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx oh and despite what you say, 1% of asians are republican and 2% are democrats. The US-born Hispanics are more likely to support the GOP, when compared to the foreign-born generation. But still, the support for GOP among them will be less than 25-30%. The GOP needs to attract more support from the Asians and Hispanics. |