Title: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 13, 2014, 03:27:45 PM http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-c...ovince-1452401
Quote The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (Isis) has imposed a strict set of Sharia laws on the citizens of Nineveh province just days after capturing the provincial capital of Mosul. In a document circulating on social media attributed to the group, Isis warned tribal leaders and sheikhs not to "work with [the Iraqi] government and be traitors" while proclaiming that women should only go outside if absolutely necessary. "For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if needed," read the document as translated by Al Aan TV reporter Jenan Moussa. Further rules included bans on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes while public gatherings, the possession of guns and the carrying of flags not of the Islamic state were outlawed. "For those asking who are you? We are soldiers of Islam and took on our responsiblity to bring back glory of the Islamic Caliphate. "Money we took from [the] Safavid government is now public. Only Imam of Muslims can spend it. Anyone who steals [will have their] hands cut," the document translation read. Without the eradication of Islam, this savagery is to be expected. Trying to civilize a group of savages who would rather live in the 11th century instead of the 21st was a waste of American blood and money. Hopefully we learn from this colossal mistake. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 13, 2014, 03:49:28 PM Shit! Nineveh province is where the last remaining Christian villages are located in Iraq. An entire culture will be lost if the Iraqi forces don't act. There are also many other ethnic minorities, such as Kurds, Yazidis and Turkmens. I don't think that the Yazidis will survive this. They are regarded as devil-worshipers by the Muslims. The entire community will be wiped out. >:(
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Rigon on June 13, 2014, 04:06:43 PM http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-c...ovince-1452401 Hows that xenophobic bigotry treating you?Quote The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (Isis) has imposed a strict set of Sharia laws on the citizens of Nineveh province just days after capturing the provincial capital of Mosul. In a document circulating on social media attributed to the group, Isis warned tribal leaders and sheikhs not to "work with [the Iraqi] government and be traitors" while proclaiming that women should only go outside if absolutely necessary. "For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if needed," read the document as translated by Al Aan TV reporter Jenan Moussa. Further rules included bans on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes while public gatherings, the possession of guns and the carrying of flags not of the Islamic state were outlawed. "For those asking who are you? We are soldiers of Islam and took on our responsiblity to bring back glory of the Islamic Caliphate. "Money we took from [the] Safavid government is now public. Only Imam of Muslims can spend it. Anyone who steals [will have their] hands cut," the document translation read. Without the eradication of Islam, this savagery is to be expected. Trying to civilize a group of savages who would rather live in the 11th century instead of the 21st was a waste of American blood and money. Hopefully we learn from this colossal mistake. There are sects of Christianity that are no better. I guess we better eradicate Christianity too huh? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 13, 2014, 04:10:44 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Charlie Prime on June 13, 2014, 04:19:31 PM Trying to civilize a group of savages who would rather live in the 11th century instead of the 21st was a waste of American blood and money. Who attempted that? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bitsmichel on June 13, 2014, 04:22:47 PM Trying to civilize a group of savages who would rather live in the 11th century instead of the 21st was a waste of American blood and money. Who attempted that? Civilization was never the goal of the Iraq war. Unless by civilization you mean 'in the (financial/strategic) interests of the US' Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: umair127 on June 13, 2014, 04:36:30 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 13, 2014, 04:41:12 PM Even now libs refuse to treat radical Islam as it deserves. Their bleating that all cultures must be respected is such garbage. Some cultures need to be eliminated- radical Islam for certain.
Once again the women groups are noticeably silent on this. Wonder why? Where are their marches on the White House demanding action against Boko Haram; etc? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bitsmichel on June 13, 2014, 04:45:43 PM Their bleating that all cultures must be respected is such garbage. "Tolerance And Apathy Are The Last Virtues Of A Dying Society" - Aristotle Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Charlie Prime on June 13, 2014, 04:52:49 PM Some cultures need to be eliminated- radical Islam for certain. Never do things half-assed. Let us eliminate ALL cultures that worship the war demon Yahweh. We could put them is some type of containment facility, safely away from the rest of us. To keep them busy, we could have them do productive work that supports our efforts to combat their kind elsewhere in the world. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: noviapriani on June 13, 2014, 04:56:28 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. There are plenty who do that. Those who engaged in the Rwandan Genocide were / are Christian, when the interahammwe re-entered Rwanda their operational bases were codenamed Bethlehem and Nazareth. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Wilikon on June 13, 2014, 05:59:07 PM Some cultures need to be eliminated- radical Islam for certain. Never do things half-assed. Let us eliminate ALL cultures that worship the war demon Yahweh. We could put them is some type of containment facility, safely away from the rest of us. To keep them busy, we could have them do productive work that supports our efforts to combat their kind elsewhere in the world. Until war demon Yahweh worshipers start beheading, little schoolgirls kidnapping, exploding belt fashion statements, they are not a threat to most people now. Muslims are included when I say "most people"... Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Charlie Prime on June 13, 2014, 06:13:12 PM Until war demon Yahweh worshipers start beheading, little schoolgirls kidnapping, exploding belt fashion statements, they are not a threat to most people now. They are doing it now. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 13, 2014, 06:15:53 PM Some good news.... the Iraqi city of Kirkuk, which was earlier invaded by the ISIL is now liberated by the Kurdish Peshmerga forces.
Bomb targets minister as Kurds take Kirkuk http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/bomb-targets-minister-asnbspkurds-take-kirkuk/story-e6frg6so-1226953873229 Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Spendulus on June 14, 2014, 03:46:02 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Charlie Prime on June 14, 2014, 04:05:05 PM Christian soldiers use high-tech weapons to slaughter women & children. That makes them better.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/ReligiousWar/iraq-soldiersPraying.jpg http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ60KGu9yl5HwF-0sw0SdtZcMFMCLz7oWbVSAILQK962xrEqtTv http://liberallogic101.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/soldiers-praying-500.jpg http://creationoutreach.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Christian4.jpg http://media.aclj.org/ccp/rtr2dne6.jpg https://familycouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/U.S._Soldiers_with_the_4th_Sustainment_Brigade_bow_their_heads_for_prayer_during_Wrangler_Day_June_28_2013_at_Fort_Hood_Texas_130628-A-JI408-007-1-300x204.jpg http://mikeaustin.org/AAA/May%203/GERMANY_IRAQ_SOLDIERS_R%282%2922472003427.jpg Noor Aziz | 8 | male Abdul Wasit | 17 | male Noor Syed | 8 | male Wajid Noor | 9 | male Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male Ayeesha | 3 | female Qari Alamzeb | 14| male Shoaib | 8 | male Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male Tariq Aziz | 16 | male Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male Maezol Khan | 8 | female Nasir Khan | male Naeem Khan | male Naeemullah | male Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male Azizul Wahab | 15 | male Fazal Wahab | 16 | male Ziauddin | 16 | male Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male Fazal Hakim | 19 | male Ilyas | 13 | male Sohail | 7 | male Asadullah | 9 | male khalilullah | 9 | male Noor Mohammad | 8 | male Khalid | 12 | male Saifullah | 9 | male Mashooq Jan | 15 | male Nawab | 17 | male Sultanat Khan | 16 | male Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male Noor Mohammad | 15 | male Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male Abdullah | 18 | male Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male Shahbuddin | 15 | male Yahya Khan | 16 |male Rahatullah |17 | male Mohammad Salim | 11 | male Shahjehan | 15 | male Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male Bakht Muneer | 14 | male Numair | 14 | male Mashooq Khan | 16 | male Ihsanullah | 16 | male Luqman | 12 | male Jannatullah | 13 | male Ismail | 12 | male Taseel Khan | 18 | male Zaheeruddin | 16 | male Qari Ishaq | 19 | male Jamshed Khan | 14 | male Alam Nabi | 11 | male Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male Rahmatullah | 14 | male Abdus Samad | 17 | male Siraj | 16 | male Saeedullah | 17 | male Abdul Waris | 16 | male Darvesh | 13 | male Ameer Said | 15 | male Shaukat | 14 | male Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male Salman | 12 | male Fazal Wahab | 18 | male Baacha Rahman | 13 | male Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male Iftikhar | 17 | male Inayatullah | 15 | male Mashooq Khan | 16 | male Ihsanullah | 16 | male Luqman | 12 | male Jannatullah | 13 | male Ismail | 12 | male Abdul Waris | 16 | male Darvesh | 13 | male Ameer Said | 15 | male Shaukat | 14 | male Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male Adnan | 16 | male Najibullah | 13 | male Naeemullah | 17 | male Hizbullah | 10 | male Kitab Gul | 12 | male Wilayat Khan | 11 | male Zabihullah | 16 | male Shehzad Gul | 11 | male Shabir | 15 | male Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male Shafiullah | 16 | male Nimatullah | 14 | male Shakirullah | 16 | male Talha | 8 | male Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 14, 2014, 04:15:06 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.Let's go back to the crusades age once again , but this time kill them all , right? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Benjig on June 14, 2014, 06:18:52 PM medieval" is the keyword in this article. This region is full barbaric animals who have resisted the future for over 1000 years so far and show no indication that they will ever join present day civilization except to murder or convert it.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Charlie Prime on June 14, 2014, 08:21:42 PM medieval" is the keyword in this article. This region is full barbaric animals who have resisted the future for over 1000 years so far and show no indication that they will ever join present day civilization except to murder or convert it. I'm sure being ruled over by western-imposed brutal dictators and having millions of their people killed during the last ten years has nothing to do with their anger. They really should appreciate all the bombs, radiation, and soldiers Britain and the U.S. put in their lands. I mean, if the situation were reversed, you would welcome Islam and brown sand people running your local town council and filling it with their toadies, no doubt. You would lick their boots and offer up your sister in exchange for a good deal on a Toyota. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: RoadTrain on June 15, 2014, 12:15:50 AM Radicalism is better eradicated through economic prosperity than by weapons.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: slimus on June 15, 2014, 04:13:19 AM http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-c...ovince-1452401 Quote The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (Isis) has imposed a strict set of Sharia laws on the citizens of Nineveh province just days after capturing the provincial capital of Mosul. In a document circulating on social media attributed to the group, Isis warned tribal leaders and sheikhs not to "work with [the Iraqi] government and be traitors" while proclaiming that women should only go outside if absolutely necessary. "For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if needed," read the document as translated by Al Aan TV reporter Jenan Moussa. Further rules included bans on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes while public gatherings, the possession of guns and the carrying of flags not of the Islamic state were outlawed. "For those asking who are you? We are soldiers of Islam and took on our responsiblity to bring back glory of the Islamic Caliphate. "Money we took from [the] Safavid government is now public. Only Imam of Muslims can spend it. Anyone who steals [will have their] hands cut," the document translation read. Without the eradication of Islam, this savagery is to be expected. Trying to civilize a group of savages who would rather live in the 11th century instead of the 21st was a waste of American blood and money. Hopefully we learn from this colossal mistake. Islam have never been the problem, one of the richest countries in the world where property rights are protected, are muslim countries : Singapour, Dubaï (UEA), Malaysia ... People don't talk about religion there, they re too busy, they work. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2014, 09:22:25 AM Islam have never been the problem, one of the richest countries in the world where property rights are protected, are muslim countries : Singapour, Dubaï (UEA), Malaysia ... People don't talk about religion there, they re too busy, they work. So Singapore is a Muslim country now? WTF? When I checked their stats a month ago, they were 55% Buddhist and 11% Muslim. Now Muslims have become the majority? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: slimus on June 15, 2014, 02:39:22 PM Islam have never been the problem, one of the richest countries in the world where property rights are protected, are muslim countries : Singapour, Dubaï (UEA), Malaysia ... People don't talk about religion there, they re too busy, they work. So Singapore is a Muslim country now? WTF? When I checked their stats a month ago, they were 55% Buddhist and 11% Muslim. Now Muslims have become the majority? Oh Sorry this was a mistake, I just checked and it's 15 % of the population, but anyway this is a big portion of the population, and they are not causing troubles there. The first president of Singapour was muslim. And how about the other countries ? Malysia, UEA, Indonisia, they're doing pretty well Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2014, 03:04:38 PM And how about the other countries ? Malysia, UEA, Indonisia, they're doing pretty well Malaysia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_head_protests http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/09/05/i-was-converted-to-islam-without-my-knowledge/ http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2010/08/2010886496589764.html UAE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448 Indonesia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Indonesian_beheadings_of_Christian_girls Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 15, 2014, 05:35:25 PM And how about the other countries ? Malysia, UEA, Indonisia, they're doing pretty well Malaysia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_head_protests http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/09/05/i-was-converted-to-islam-without-my-knowledge/ http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2010/08/2010886496589764.html UAE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448 Indonesia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Indonesian_beheadings_of_Christian_girls Well , when you talk about Asia it doesn't matter if they are Muslims or Christians , they are all hit in the head a bit.Can you call these guys true believers? WARNING DON'T OPEN THE LINK IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "Self-Flagellation" means http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/christians-in-philippines_n_1405551.html I don't see any Christians in those pictures , just the same animals Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: ThomasCrowne on June 15, 2014, 10:36:31 PM http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-c...ovince-1452401 You sir are an idiot!Quote The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (Isis) has imposed a strict set of Sharia laws on the citizens of Nineveh province just days after capturing the provincial capital of Mosul. In a document circulating on social media attributed to the group, Isis warned tribal leaders and sheikhs not to "work with [the Iraqi] government and be traitors" while proclaiming that women should only go outside if absolutely necessary. "For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if needed," read the document as translated by Al Aan TV reporter Jenan Moussa. Further rules included bans on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes while public gatherings, the possession of guns and the carrying of flags not of the Islamic state were outlawed. "For those asking who are you? We are soldiers of Islam and took on our responsiblity to bring back glory of the Islamic Caliphate. "Money we took from [the] Safavid government is now public. Only Imam of Muslims can spend it. Anyone who steals [will have their] hands cut," the document translation read. Without the eradication of Islam, this savagery is to be expected. Trying to civilize a group of savages who would rather live in the 11th century instead of the 21st was a waste of American blood and money. Hopefully we learn from this colossal mistake. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Charlie Prime on June 16, 2014, 02:59:19 AM Iran now sends troops into Iraq to help them fight the U.S.-supported extremists...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/14/iran-iraq-isis-fight-militants-nouri-maliki Your tax dollars at work. Quote The confirmation comes as the Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, said Iran was ready to support Iraq from the mortal threat fast spreading through the country, while the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, called on citizens to take up arms in their country's defence. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 03:27:26 AM Well , when you talk about Asia it doesn't matter if they are Muslims or Christians , they are all hit in the head a bit.Can you call these guys true believers? WARNING DON'T OPEN THE LINK IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "Self-Flagellation" means http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/christians-in-philippines_n_1405551.html I don't see any Christians in those pictures , just the same animals Philippines comes in the same category of religious fanatic nations. The country is suffering from an awful lot of overpopulation, and yet the Catholic clergy there recently forced the government to abandon plans for popularizing family planning. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 16, 2014, 03:33:57 AM Iran now sends troops into Iraq to help them fight the U.S.-supported extremists... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/14/iran-iraq-isis-fight-militants-nouri-maliki Your tax dollars at work. Quote The confirmation comes as the Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, said Iran was ready to support Iraq from the mortal threat fast spreading through the country, while the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, called on citizens to take up arms in their country's defence. Ok , so I'm not getting this anymore. Right now Iran is Helping the Iraq army to fight the insurgents (rebels) , so they are on the same side as the US.? Quote Iran has sent 2,000 advance troops to Iraq in the past 48 hours to help tackle a jihadist insurgency, a senior Iraqi official has told the Guardian Last time I tried to find out who is fighting who in Syria and went through the almost 20 factions at work there I ended up with a headache. Seems like same story here... Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 16, 2014, 03:56:54 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. There are plenty who do that. Those who engaged in the Rwandan Genocide were / are Christian, when the interahammwe re-entered Rwanda their operational bases were codenamed Bethlehem and Nazareth. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 16, 2014, 04:01:23 PM They absolutely considered themselves soldiers of God. The people of the region tend to be very religiously devout, both those who massacre and those who are massacred. Simultaneously, the inclusion of their faith within their fighting seems to indicate that they were able to reconcile the mass extermination of human life with their personal religious beliefs just fine.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 16, 2014, 04:03:19 PM They absolutely considered themselves soldiers of God. The people of the region tend to be very religiously devout, both those who massacre and those who are massacred. Simultaneously, the inclusion of their faith within their fighting seems to indicate that they were able to reconcile the mass extermination of human life with their personal religious beliefs just fine. It's not a apples to apples comparison Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 16, 2014, 04:07:33 PM They absolutely considered themselves soldiers of God. The people of the region tend to be very religiously devout, both those who massacre and those who are massacred. Simultaneously, the inclusion of their faith within their fighting seems to indicate that they were able to reconcile the mass extermination of human life with their personal religious beliefs just fine. It's not a apples to apples comparison Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Hazir on June 16, 2014, 04:15:07 PM Their bleating that all cultures must be respected is such garbage. "Tolerance And Apathy Are The Last Virtues Of A Dying Society" - Aristotle Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society has been falsely attributed to Aristotle over the years. The true Aristotle quote is, difference of race is a cause of faction, until harmony of spirit is reached ; for just as any chance multitude of people does not form a state, so a state is not formed in any chance period of time. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 16, 2014, 04:17:41 PM They absolutely considered themselves soldiers of God. The people of the region tend to be very religiously devout, both those who massacre and those who are massacred. Simultaneously, the inclusion of their faith within their fighting seems to indicate that they were able to reconcile the mass extermination of human life with their personal religious beliefs just fine. It's not a apples to apples comparison Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 04:23:51 PM Would the Lord's Resistance Army be a better comparison for you? Killing tens of thousands, kidnapping even more, marching in the formation of crosses, fighting with holy water, declaring a state based on the ten commandments, etc? But you should also remember that 99% of the victims of the atrocities committed by the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) were Christians themselves. The LRA never targets Muslims, as it receives most of the arms and ammunition from Khartoum. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 16, 2014, 04:24:22 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 16, 2014, 04:27:27 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. But the point still stands, these are perversions that ignore the teachings. On the Islam side, they are following the playbook. Mohammad was a General while Jesus was the complete opposite. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 16, 2014, 04:29:26 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. But the point still stands, these are perversions that ignore the teachings. On the Islam side, they are following the playbook. Mohammad was a General while Jesus was the complete opposite. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 04:30:13 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. 1. Again, the Interahamwe targeted people belonging to the Tutsi ethnic group (Christian or non-Christian, it doesn't matter). Religion was not used to distinguish the victims. 2. Chetniks / Ustaše also killed people based on ethnicity. The Ustaše were even collaborating with the Muslims, to fight against the Serbs. 3. NLFT of India. Yes... it is a religious driven group. Receives a lot of funds from the Southern Baptists in the United States, and use them to forcibly convert the tribal population to Christianity. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 16, 2014, 04:32:19 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. But the point still stands, these are perversions that ignore the teachings. On the Islam side, they are following the playbook. Mohammad was a General while Jesus was the complete opposite. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 16, 2014, 04:34:23 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. But the point still stands, these are perversions that ignore the teachings. On the Islam side, they are following the playbook. Mohammad was a General while Jesus was the complete opposite. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: umair127 on June 16, 2014, 04:37:13 PM Just heard CNN say that the US and Iran might have to work TOGETHER to protect Baghdad.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 16, 2014, 04:39:06 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. But the point still stands, these are perversions that ignore the teachings. On the Islam side, they are following the playbook. Mohammad was a General while Jesus was the complete opposite. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 16, 2014, 04:45:47 PM There are a lot of Christians who would disagree with you. Once again, the interahamwe were perfectly content to both see themselves as soldiers of God and as good Christians, while simultaneously engaging in genocide. The same could be said of the Chetniks in Bosnia, or the NLFT in India, etc. But the point still stands, these are perversions that ignore the teachings. On the Islam side, they are following the playbook. Mohammad was a General while Jesus was the complete opposite. But, a couple of other points: 1.) The vast majority of the world's Muslims are not Wahhabi, so your notion that it is a fundamental aspect of Islam is a bit off. 2.) Being able to secure money from Wahhabis or gulf actors doesn't make their organization Wahhabi. that just means that gulf actors are interested in utilizing them to check political rivals in the region, which isn't a heavenly concern, it's an earthly political one. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Rigon on June 16, 2014, 04:51:08 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.For instance. Why not target Afghans suspected of collaborating with Taliban insurgents for reprisals? You could flatten the villages which provide aid to the insurgents, then execute the male population in a mass shooting. It would probably drive a more effective point home since they only respect extreme violence and force. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: noviapriani on June 16, 2014, 04:53:55 PM Didn't work out too well for us in Vietnam, nor did it work out for the French in Algeria and Chad; are you really naive enough to think that it would work out that way in Afghanistan if we just tried it one more time?
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Rigon on June 17, 2014, 11:55:38 AM It doesn't work for us because we capture and move without leaving a stabilizing force behind.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Ekaros on June 17, 2014, 12:16:02 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.For instance. Why not target Afghans suspected of collaborating with Taliban insurgents for reprisals? You could flatten the villages which provide aid to the insurgents, then execute the male population in a mass shooting. It would probably drive a more effective point home since they only respect extreme violence and force. You don't think that wouldn't leave to more attacks against enemy combatants like 9/11? Keeping on giving reasons for revenge is a good idea? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: umair127 on June 17, 2014, 12:16:54 PM Didn't work out too well for us in Vietnam, nor did it work out for the French in Algeria and Chad; are you really naive enough to think that it would work out that way in Afghanistan if we just tried it one more time? The French were fine with doing brutality on a small scale. It's just that when they had to execute it on a wider scale, they backed down rather than keep up with a campaign of violence. The US didn't really use reprisal tactics in Vietnam.I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan. All very successful reprisal and violence-based strategies. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Rigon on June 17, 2014, 12:32:13 PM There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today. Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.For instance. Why not target Afghans suspected of collaborating with Taliban insurgents for reprisals? You could flatten the villages which provide aid to the insurgents, then execute the male population in a mass shooting. It would probably drive a more effective point home since they only respect extreme violence and force. You don't think that wouldn't leave to more attacks against enemy combatants like 9/11? Keeping on giving reasons for revenge is a good idea? Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 17, 2014, 12:32:41 PM Didn't work out too well for us in Vietnam, nor did it work out for the French in Algeria and Chad; are you really naive enough to think that it would work out that way in Afghanistan if we just tried it one more time? The French were fine with doing brutality on a small scale. It's just that when they had to execute it on a wider scale, they backed down rather than keep up with a campaign of violence. The US didn't really use reprisal tactics in Vietnam.I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan. All very successful reprisal and violence-based strategies. Quote I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan. Oh, so Chechnya and Dagestan are pillars of stability now yeah? if that is your ideal outcome, then your goals are pretty low. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: zolace on June 17, 2014, 01:57:56 PM With the unquenchable thirst for blood that "modern" Muslims have, you can't really compare them to any modern opponent to the civilized world.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2014, 02:16:32 PM Oh, so Chechnya and Dagestan are pillars of stability now yeah? if that is your ideal outcome, then your goals are pretty low. Chechnya and Daghestan are actually very peaceful now. And the insurgency has been crushed. This was Groznyy in 2000: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bx61HrHduNc/TqtqjjqO4hI/AAAAAAAABpI/qIqJlEsXknc/s400/044_bw.jpg And this is Groznyy now: http://russiatrek.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/grozny-city-russia-from-above-night-view-1.jpg Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: umair127 on June 17, 2014, 02:43:42 PM Didn't work out too well for us in Vietnam, nor did it work out for the French in Algeria and Chad; are you really naive enough to think that it would work out that way in Afghanistan if we just tried it one more time? The French were fine with doing brutality on a small scale. It's just that when they had to execute it on a wider scale, they backed down rather than keep up with a campaign of violence. The US didn't really use reprisal tactics in Vietnam.I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan. All very successful reprisal and violence-based strategies. Quote I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan. Oh, so Chechnya and Dagestan are pillars of stability now yeah? if that is your ideal outcome, then your goals are pretty low. (See here: http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/zhu...r_PREPRINT.pdf) Even looking at Western history, the successful counterinsurgency campaigns of the 20th century tended to be nasty and brutal. The British used mustard gas on Iraqi tribesmen. They also relocated Malay peasants to prison villages. They used carpet bombing on Somali towns. Hardly a hearts and minds strategy, is it? The real reason Western military leaders have low regard for reprisal tactics and collective punishment has absolutely nothing to do with its effectiveness. It's simply not politically possible for Western democracies to use massive firepower on civilian targets (like Grozny) or use directed violence against the population. Any reasonable interpretation of history can point to brutal reprisal campaigns like Germany's destruction of Lidice or massive collective punishment like Stalin's deportation of the Chechens to be the ultimate in counter-insurgency, it's just not something Americans are willing to stomach. As for Chechnya and Dagestan. The Russian state has effective control of the region. That is far more than can be said about Afghanistan. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: noviapriani on June 17, 2014, 02:53:49 PM ISIS has captured U.S. made Humvees, Iraqi tanks, missiles, rifles, helicopters, airplanes, and 400 million dollars.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2014, 03:02:16 PM Ethnic cleansing occurring in ISIS controlled territory in Northern Iraq. Christians are being butchered in hundreds.
Iraqi Christians flee homes amid militant push http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2659021/Iraqi-Christians-flee-homes-amid-militant-push.html Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: umair127 on June 17, 2014, 03:07:42 PM Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense.
Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2014, 03:17:06 PM Here is the status as of now. See how close they are to Baghdad. Only 20 or 30 km away from the capital. >:(
http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA2LzEyLzgyL0lyYXFTeXJpYUlTLjgzNmZlLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/e7b73d38/de5/Iraq-Syria-ISIS-ISIL-Map-June-12-2014.jpg Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 19, 2014, 01:12:27 PM Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense. I agree. Nobody wants to f.... with the Kurds, and they will fuck with anyone. It may be hard to accomplish anything with them because we fucked them under George Bush 1's incursion into Iraq, and instead of getting help from the US, they got gassed by Saddam. Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: noviapriani on June 19, 2014, 01:41:10 PM Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense. I agree. Nobody wants to f.... with the Kurds, and they will fuck with anyone. It may be hard to accomplish anything with them because we fucked them under George Bush 1's incursion into Iraq, and instead of getting help from the US, they got gassed by Saddam. Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line. Maybe this is why: When I was a kid (age 14), I played Metal Gear Solid and that was my first introduction to Kurds. Sniper Wolf from Metal Gear Solid is a Kurd. In fact, Metal Gear Solid was one of my chief influences for joining the U.S. Military. After I finished my U.S. Army service, including a deployment to Kuwait, I went back to the University of Colorado at Denver and finished my Political Science Degree. I spent some free time during college studying Kurds and found them to be even more interesting than what Sniper Wolf alone in Metal Gear Solid could be. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2014, 02:58:07 PM OK... now we have confirmation that ISIS has indeed captured the largest Iraqi oil field. Prepare for oil prices @ $160 per barrel. ;D
Witness claims ISIS flag flies over key Iraq refinery, Baghdad says soldiers still hold it http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/19/witness-claims-isis-flag-flies-over-key-iraq-refinery-baghdad-says-soldiers/ http://www.ariva.de/chart/images/chart.m?secu=101622813&size=M&t=year&volume=0&boerse_id=33 Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 19, 2014, 03:09:25 PM OK... now we have confirmation that ISIS has indeed captured the largest Iraqi oil field. Prepare for oil prices @ $160 per barrel. ;D Witness claims ISIS flag flies over key Iraq refinery, Baghdad says soldiers still hold it http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/19/witness-claims-isis-flag-flies-over-key-iraq-refinery-baghdad-says-soldiers/ http://www.ariva.de/chart/images/chart.m?secu=101622813&size=M&t=year&volume=0&boerse_id=33 Largest Refinery not largest oil fields :). The fields are still safe... for now. http://www.vox.com/2014/6/18/5821638/how-baiji-affected-oil-prices Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2014, 03:13:31 PM Largest Refinery not largest oil fields :). The fields are still safe... for now. Check this map: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/iraq_key_maps/img/maps/iraq_oil_map485.gif Compare it with the territory currently under the control of ISIS. You can see that all the three major pipelines (those to Baghdad, Basra and Turkey), goes through the ISIS controlled territory. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 19, 2014, 04:33:04 PM Largest Refinery not largest oil fields :). The fields are still safe... for now. Check this map: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/iraq_key_maps/img/maps/iraq_oil_map485.gif Compare it with the territory currently under the control of ISIS. You can see that all the three major pipelines (those to Baghdad, Basra and Turkey), goes through the ISIS controlled territory. And now we are talking about pipelines? Quote OK... now we have confirmation that ISIS has indeed captured the largest Iraqi oil field. Prepare for oil prices @ $160 per barrel. You said fields. Stick to the fields :) Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 19, 2014, 05:35:44 PM Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense. I agree. Nobody wants to f.... with the Kurds, and they will fuck with anyone. It may be hard to accomplish anything with them because we fucked them under George Bush 1's incursion into Iraq, and instead of getting help from the US, they got gassed by Saddam. Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line. Maybe this is why: When I was a kid (age 14), I played Metal Gear Solid and that was my first introduction to Kurds. Sniper Wolf from Metal Gear Solid is a Kurd. In fact, Metal Gear Solid was one of my chief influences for joining the U.S. Military. After I finished my U.S. Army service, including a deployment to Kuwait, I went back to the University of Colorado at Denver and finished my Political Science Degree. I spent some free time during college studying Kurds and found them to be even more interesting than what Sniper Wolf alone in Metal Gear Solid could be. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: ChiliPowder on June 19, 2014, 05:54:08 PM Kurdish Army Woman Peshmergas
Not only are most of them hot but they are badass to the core. http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-kurdish-female-freedom-fighters-of-syria (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-kurdish-female-freedom-fighters-of-syria) Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2014, 03:43:57 AM You said fields. Stick to the fields :) They have taken the biggest oil field as well. The biggest Iraqi oil field is located to the north-west of Kirkuk. It was taken by the ISIS a week ago. Anyway, without the oil pipeline, how can they transport the oil? There are no rail-links. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 20, 2014, 03:51:39 AM You said fields. Stick to the fields :) They have taken the biggest oil field as well. The biggest Iraqi oil field is located to the north-west of Kirkuk. It was taken by the ISIS a week ago. Anyway, without the oil pipeline, how can they transport the oil? There are no rail-links. Again , false statement. The biggest oil field is Rumaila field followed by Majnoon , both in southern Iraq. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2014, 04:41:02 AM Again , false statement. The biggest oil field is Rumaila field followed by Majnoon , both in southern Iraq. OK. I was wrong. The Kirkuk field is the second largest, in terms of daily oil production. Majnoon is a very small field, in terms of daily production (around 200,000 barrels / day). http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/12/28/20111228132834721734_20.png Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: niothor on June 20, 2014, 04:53:33 AM Outdated map.
Numbers are form 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majnoon_oil_field The contract with Shell and Petronas includes drilling over 40 production wells, construction of three gas separation stations and two crude oil processing refineries with overall capacity of 100,000 barrels per day (16,000 m3/d).[1][2] The official start date was March 1, 2010.[12] In the Phase I of the project, the consortium intends to increase the production from 45,000 to 175,000 barrels per day (27,800 m3/d) within two-year period. Current production of oil 200,000 barrels per day Also , kirkuk is a dying oil field: Quote Production at Kirkuk, discovered in 1927, has declined to 260,000 barrels a day from 900,000 barrels a day in the early 2000s, after years of injecting water and the dumping of unwanted crude and other oil products in the field. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: sana8410 on June 21, 2014, 12:37:58 PM The Kurds are not backing down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2OxcxN7AA Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 21, 2014, 12:55:43 PM The Kurds are not backing down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2OxcxN7AA Kurdish weaponry itself is medieval. They are armed with AK-47 and RPGs, while the ISIS is armed with captured Humvees, Artillery guns and tanks. Anyway it is not the job of the Kurdish Peshmerga. The cowards of the Iraqi Army should fight ISIS. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bitsmichel on June 21, 2014, 01:45:15 PM The Kurds are not backing down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2OxcxN7AA Kurdish weaponry itself is medieval. They are armed with AK-47 and RPGs, while the ISIS is armed with captured Humvees, Artillery guns and tanks. Anyway it is not the job of the Kurdish Peshmerga. The cowards of the Iraqi Army should fight ISIS. AK-47 is a relatively good gun, but I don't think it can stop tanks or humvees :D. Then again, in a battle it is not always the one with the best weapons that "wins". Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 21, 2014, 02:46:33 PM AK-47 is a relatively good gun, but I don't think it can stop tanks or humvees :D. Then again, in a battle it is not always the one with the best weapons that "wins". May be. But in a theoretical ISIS vs Peshmerga battle, the former enjoys the following advantages: 1. Familiarity with the terrain (fighting is taking place mostly in Sunni Arab populated areas). 2. Local support from natives. 3. Better tactics and weapons than the Kurds. 4. Support from all over the Sunni Arab world. 5. High morale. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Wilikon on June 22, 2014, 06:31:06 PM Iraq militants 'turning back clock' in captured Mosul In the two weeks since it was seized by Sunni militants, some residents of the northern Iraq city of Mosul feel the clock has been turned back hundreds of years. The militants, led by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) jihadist group, have begun imposing an extreme interpretation of Islamic law in the days since they took the city, residents reached by telephone told AFP. "These militants will return us and our country hundreds of years backwards, and their laws are the opposite of the laws of human rights and international laws," said Umm Mohammed, a 35-year-old teacher. "We live in continuous fear of being subjected to new pressures," she said. "We are afraid of being prevented from working and contributing to building the community." The city, known before 2003 for its historic sites and parks and in later years as a hub for deadly violence, fell on June 10 to the militants, who subsequently overran surrounding Nineveh province and swathes of other territory. Security forces in Mosul, a city of some two million people before the offensive, wilted in the face of the onslaught, in some cases abandoning uniforms and even vehicles in their haste to flee. http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-militants-turning-back-clock-captured-mosul-133453638.html;_ylt=AwrBJR9J.qZTUTgAqznQtDMD Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Wilikon on June 22, 2014, 06:45:15 PM ISIS Issues Mandate To Single Mosul Women: “Mujahideen Have Right To Rape You” In the name of Allah the mercyful Now that the liberation of the Nineveh province by the mujahideen is a fact, the mujahideen feel the warm welcoming by their brothers and sisters in the province of Nineveh. Following the defeat of the sectarian army, god willing, we vow that this province will remain safe and protected by the mujahideen. Therefor, we ask all the people of this province to bring forward unmarried women so they fulfill their duty of pleasing their brothers, the mujahideen. Who ever fails to comply, shall face consequences imposed by the sharia law. June 13th Nineveh province -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Would be nice if a bitcoiner could confirm or reject that translation as accurate. If it is for real hopefully all feminists will engage against those evil people... Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Wilikon on June 22, 2014, 06:48:02 PM You Can Now Buy ISIS Branded Clothing Online… ISIS—the Islamic militant group that’s on a scorched-earth march to overthrow the government of Iraq—is known for being as savvy on social media as it is deadly on the ground. The group’s online marketing had helped turn ISIS into a global brand, and now the terrorist network even boasts its own clothing line. That’s right: Online retailers have begun selling ISIS-themed T-shirts and hoodies. If you’d like a unique cover-up for the beach this summer and don’t mind a lot of black, you can purchase a sweatshirt with the group’s full name—Islamic State of Iraq and Syria—written in bleak white lettering. Another design features the group’s acronym, ISIS, surrounded by automatic weapons and a map of the world, in an apparent reference to the group’s global ambition. Zirah Moslem, a company that calls itself purveyors of “Islamic style,” offers merchandise promoting various terrorist causes, including ISIS. The company’s website, which has more than 9,000 likes on Facebook, says its T-shirts feature “a design that is…always up to date,” which apparently means having a group of kaffiyeh-wearing jihadis pose as if they’re promoting a Hollywood blockbuster. http://www.vocativ.com/world/iraq-world/can-now-buy-isis-hoodie-online/ Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 22, 2014, 07:01:54 PM WTF is going on there? The ISIS just captured 3 more cities today. If the Iraqi army is afraid to fight the ISIS, then it must be disbanded. Why waste the taxpayer money on such an inefficient organization?
ISIS militants seize 4 Iraqi towns in just 2 days http://rt.com/news/167636-iraq-cities-captured-isis/ Here is a map from NYT showing the status as of now. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/the-iraq-isis-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: jaberwock on June 23, 2014, 02:31:44 AM WTF is going on there? The ISIS just captured 3 more cities today. If the Iraqi army is afraid to fight the ISIS, then it must be disbanded. Why waste the taxpayer money on such an inefficient organization? ISIS militants seize 4 Iraqi towns in just 2 days http://rt.com/news/167636-iraq-cities-captured-isis/ Here is a map from NYT showing the status as of now. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/the-iraq-isis-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html Those towns captured are predominantly Sunni areas. Which are ready to support Sunni militants. The Shiite militants are now ready take this terrorist. Let's wait and see who will win. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2014, 04:12:38 AM Those towns captured are predominantly Sunni areas. Which are ready to support Sunni militants. The Shiite militants are now ready take this terrorist. Let wait and see who will win. Although the region is predominantly Sunni, there was a significant Shia minority until the ISIS captured it. Most of the Shias have now fled to the safer regions to the South. Partially agreed with what you said. The local Sunni support for the ISIS is very noticeable. The Iraqi army won't be able to do anything unless they find a way to prevent this from happening. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: tvbcof on June 23, 2014, 05:21:02 AM WTF is going on there? The ISIS just captured 3 more cities today. ... You clearly don't spend enough time in the U.S. Army war college studying Col. Ralph Peters. Nobody should be surprised by this, and everyone should consider Rand Paul's assertions that ISIS is armed by the U.S. http://thehill.com/policy/international/210168-us-has-been-arming-isis-in-syria-sen-paul-claims (http://thehill.com/policy/international/210168-us-has-been-arming-isis-in-syria-sen-paul-claims) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg/300px-Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: jaberwock on June 23, 2014, 05:27:55 AM WTF is going on there? The ISIS just captured 3 more cities today. ... You clearly don't spend enough time in the U.S. Army war college studying Col. Ralph Peters. Nobody should be surprised by this, and everyone should consider Rand Paul's assertions that ISIS is armed by the U.S. http://thehill.com/policy/international/210168-us-has-been-arming-isis-in-syria-sen-paul-claims (http://thehill.com/policy/international/210168-us-has-been-arming-isis-in-syria-sen-paul-claims) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg/300px-Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg Almost everybody knows that ISIS is funded by US. But that funds meant to fight Assad not to conquer Iraq. It could be US mistake or ISIS was instructed by Saudi Arabia to conquer Iraq first. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2014, 05:47:21 AM Almost everybody knows that ISIS is funded by US. But that funds meant to fight Assad not to conquer Iraq. It could be US mistake or ISIS was instructed by Saudi Arabia to conquer Iraq first. ISIS is being funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, two of the USA's most trusted allies. The direct US funding mostly went to the Free Syrian Army (FSA), which is a different organization. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Sunni Arab-dominated monarchies, and they want to establish Sunni Arab governments in both Syria and Iraq. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: tvbcof on June 23, 2014, 06:04:22 AM Almost everybody knows that ISIS is funded by US. But that funds meant to fight Assad not to conquer Iraq. It could be US mistake or ISIS was instructed by Saudi Arabia to conquer Iraq first. ISIS is being funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, two of the USA's most trusted allies. The direct US funding mostly went to the Free Syrian Army (FSA), which is a different organization. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Sunni Arab-dominated monarchies, and they want to establish Sunni Arab governments in both Syria and Iraq. How the fuck would you know where the support was supposed to go much less where it actually went? Heard it on TeeVee? Anyway neither Saudi Arabia nor Qatar would do a thing without at least asking for our permission, and probably mostly outsource all the strategic decisions to us anyway with unusual exceptions. It is fairly clear that Mosul was abandoned and fell without a shot mainly because that's what we instructed. Only a true simpleton would believe that 30k well armed and Iraqi military ran in terror from 1k ISIS leaving a damp yellow streak (and all of those yummy Western supplied weapons.) I wonder if it might be a cover story for how it came to be that ISIS is driving around in U.S. made humvees. Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Cranky4u on June 23, 2014, 06:28:30 AM Like democracy, social order cannot be imposed but must come the community itself. Anything else is just imposed until the occupier leaves...
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2014, 07:03:27 AM Here is the latest map:
http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/Lightbox/published/263/images/THUMB.jpg The entire Western border of Iraq is now controlled by the ISIS. >:( Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: ThomasCrowne on June 23, 2014, 07:03:58 AM Talk about a serious shitstorm! Feel terrible for all the refugee's fleeing for their lives. Literally.
Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: Wilikon on June 27, 2014, 02:05:02 PM A Christian father who watched his wife and daughter get brutally raped by members of the militant group, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) because he couldn’t pay them a poll tax in Mosul, Iraq, killed himself under the weight of the trauma this past weekend. A report from the Assyrian International News Agency said ISIS began enforcing Islamic laws in the northern Iraq city which they overran on June 10. Dr. Sallama Al-Khafaji of the Iraq High Commission for Human Rights said the incident happened on Saturday after ISIS began asking Christians in Mosul for a poll tax. “In one instance, ISIS members entered the home of an Assyrian family in Mosul and demanded the poll tax (jizya). When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide,” said the report. “The Christians have told me that they cannot pay this tax,” Dr. Al-Khafaji told AINA, “and they say ‘what am I to do, shall I kill myself?’” Four Christian women were also reportedly shot dead by ISIS members because they were not wearing veils. http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-father-commits-suicide-after-isis-members-rape-wife-and-daughter-in-front-of-him-because-he-couldnt-pay-poll-tax-122220/ Title: Re: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province Post by: bryant.coleman on June 28, 2014, 12:27:55 PM A Christian father who watched his wife and daughter get brutally raped by members of the militant group, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) because he couldn’t pay them a poll tax in Mosul, Iraq, killed himself under the weight of the trauma this past weekend. Most of the remaining Christians in Iraq are (or were) residing in the villages to the North-east of Mosul. They speak the Assyrian language, which is a very endangered tongue. The ISIL offensive will eradicate the last vestiges of the once mighty Assyrian culture. |