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By request of dE_logics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603932.msg7292055#msg7292055), I've started this special thread for anyone to lodge any complaints about the way that the new, post-scam NFD Coin rescue effort (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603932.0) is being conducted, or any criticisms of the new NFD.

This post is unmoderated, and you can confirm this claim by comparing it to the bitcointa.lk mirror thread (https://bitcointa.lk/threads/nfd-nfd-complaint-criticism-etc-thread-unmoderated.328489/). In the announcement thread, MaWo has deleted a few pump posts by people hyping their own coins. Since I won't be doing anything of the sort here, you'll probably read some pumpers' posts here. Might as well take 'em in stride.

I'll try to answer any criticisms and complaints promptly, subject to my time being spoken for on some other task. Posts that I consider abusive, provoking or trollish, I'll probably respond to coldly and/or defensively but I'll try to stick to a fact-based rebuttal unless doing so infringes upon someone else's privacy.

With that said, feel free to go at it.

complaint:
NFD2 rescue team is the most heartwarming innovative i saw in bitcointalk from the day I registered.
why are there so many scams and not more users like Nxtblg, lordoliver richwang, notsoshifty and MaWo.

nxtblg
you've done good job with the team,
we appreciate it, no complaints

So is this just another nxt clone? Good for what?

wonderful work, and come on, so nice...

better distribution model and transparent  ;)

Also, we're going to be fully open-source from the get-go. Once the launch and distribution is over and done with, we plan to add a localization widget to make the browser wallet more welcoming to people whose native tongues aren't English.

All NFD has been distributed to complete？why haven't I received my NFD

I'll look into it. Thanks for telling me.

EDIT: PM sent.

Just a heads-up from the Nxt world:

If you haven't seen this thread, please check it out:

"Big scam in NXT hundreds of BTC stolen with a one post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.0)"

Best estimate is that a scammer stole ~200 BTC from trusting Nxters through the Asset Exchange. The amount stolen has made the fellow who scammed us look like a small-change hustler...

Thankfully, this is one kind of "scam-dal" that has not plagued the NFD world! But please read through it and take it as a reminder to be on your guard. The trouble with the Asset Exchange is that it's 100% trust-based at the moment.

So, in the abstract, that big Nxt AE robbery was entirely foreseeable...but still...

So please be cautious. I don't know if it's me, but there seems to be a whole new crime wave directed against Nxt & its clones. The crypto world, at least seemingly, has gotten more dangerous recently . "Safety first" is inconvenient, but it doesn't hurt. :)

EDIT: Please withhold your judgement about the incident until all the facts are in. I meant for this post to be a "it can happen to you..." cautionary note, and nothing more.

the website looks very bad, hope somebody can do a better one. :D

1st NFD = a scam because I didn't get promised coins.
2nd NFD = real deal. My crohns arrived exactly as explained

nxt is the best why use time making this shit.
retards in action. use you fucking head buy nxt we have big whales that eat you shit for lunch.
nxt no scam

We have good distribution now No3 in the fucking world. you got no nxt ask you mama to buy.
Retarded hate spread FUD
look at the best distribution in the world


0.34% of accounts own 77.40% of total coins. Awesome distribution indeed world.

see we the best  ;D
i wished we make more coins to sell

We're actually in the process of getting someone to do that. Stay tuned. :)

Because the crypto world is an open-source world. In the abstract, it would be easy for all of us to just join the Nxt world and add any innovations we come up with to Nxt instead. In the abstract...

But in the real world, Nxt already has a direction and a momentum. There's already a core of ~20 developers who are "buddies" and have a collective vision of where they want to see Nxt going. That, of course, comes with success.

But success makes a group "conservative," in the sense of "it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "nothing succeeds like success." What if we have a vision that either clashes with the vision of Nxt's core dev team or comes with priorities that the core team of Nxters think should be put on the back-burner?

In the open-source world, the answer is obvious. "If you don't like it, fork it and go your own way." Well, the NFD team has successfully forked Nxt and we are indeed going our own way!

To be honest, if one of NFD's future innovations gets incorporated into Nxt itself, we'd both approve and take it as a compliment.

But we have our own vision and we're going our own way.

where is my coins?
even i can not access my account...

You have so much coins in your luggage, seems there is no place for NFD ;D

Do you still have your passphrase? If you haven't already done so, please PM me with any details you have. You should have gotten a stake's worth from the giveaway category. I checked, and your name is in the distribution list for that amount.

If you have already PMed me about it, don't worry: you're in the queue, and I'll get to you.

hello dev,

in which i will get my coins?
still waiting to receive it,
is that distributed??

Hi, trafficolaa,

I'll get on it. Thanks for telling me.

They are already there since 15th of June.

hash:           7be3b6a83368298a76301d8627f6f80af09a30c1bbf634829611eba5e20b2b07   
accountId:    9254385618896609269   
accountIdRS: NFD-3RZP-Q34F-YSVT-AGKV2

https://wallet.nfdcoin.com:8876/blockExplorer/?id=NFD-3RZP-Q34F-YSVT-AGKV2
trafficolaa   

1496062.99212598 NFD

A little update on the above: The scam was not pulled off thru the Asset Exchange. It was a pretty simple forum account hack followed by some sneaky social engineering: the forum account belonging to JustaBit was used to post a request for an immediate investment opportunity and asked people to simply send BTC to the posters BTC address. Not a very innovative scam, no actual hacking skills needed apart from obtaining the forum password, and there was no compromise of the NXT AE technology or any part of the NXT network. So NFD is also safe, in case you were worrying. The sneaky bit was that the scam was started at roughly the same moment that JustaBit got on a trans-Atlantic flight, so he was completely out of contact for half a day.
The total BTC netted was actually round 78 BTC, which is still very painful for those concerned, but thanks to the quick actions of forum members the scammer didn't reach the 400BTC target she/he/they/it were aiming for.

The lesson is: no matter how much you may think you can trust a forum post, do more investigation before handing over funds or insist on reputable escrow.

On NFD...good job, guys. Really.
I'm running an NFD forging node 24/7 since the launch, and I might set it up as a public node if I'm feeling really generous.
Has NFD had any changes made from the NXT network architecture, apart from port assignments?

Yes, that is why I was worrying. Since NFD's Asset Exchange is a clone of Nxt's, any attack vector in the former is an attack vector in the latter. To be frank, I wasn't worried about any purported hardcode flaw: I was worried about social-engineering attacks by slick con artists issuing fake assets on the AE. (I still am.) That's what I thought had took place when I posted that original warning. Even though that was not the case specifically this time, it was close enough to my "worry spot" to prompt me to warn the NFD community to look out for themselves if they see a new asset listed on NFD's AE.

[And no, I'm not referring to EvilCoin.:)]


Yeah...that can't be drummed in enough. Thankfully, we're not at the point where we would have to advise, "don't trust anyone you don't know personally."


Thanks a lot! As of now, there aren't any changes worth mentioning - but we're working on it.

Actually, we're in a bit of a dilemma as to what development path we want to follow:

1) coevolution - we adapt Nxt's advances and offer our advances (once we have them) to the Nxt community for adaptation into Nxt itself?
2) divergence - we go our own way and the Nxt devs go theirs?

There's a fair bit of sympathy in the dev team for (1) because every one of them has some Nxt experience.:) But #2 is standard in the clonecoin track...

Why buy Starbucks when you can have Tim Horton's (http://www.timhortons.com/ca/en/)? :D

when will it be available on an exchange?

We're working on Bittrex right now.

And by "we," I mean a lot of us!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497351.180

~half of the prior page's posts are to add NFD too!

I just wrote Bittrex-Bill to call attention to the slight expansion ;) of his thread.