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Is there any proof of him owning these accounts?

LETS NOT THROW THE STONE. we all have some mistake and dark side.



Yes.  we will hold back until official statement of NEM development team.

anyone can investigate public stakeholder list + utopianfuture accounts. all needed information is in the public.

Thanks for your response. How was this analysis conducted to get this number?

careful analysis of bitcointalk accounts, stakeholder list, public ledger information and nxt asset exchange data.

most shocking is beside utopianfuture, patmast3r, jaguar and gimre also hold several sockpuppet accounts.

That's nice.  When are you going to show links to prove it?

Shouldn't be hard. 

wait for NEM team public statement. otherwise it would not be fair throwing stones.

utopianfuture already stepped back because he admitted the scam. cant say this of the other scam artists.

I don't have any sockpuppet accounts, so I'd love to hear your "evidence".

My NXT account (the one in my signature) has a single outflow of one NXT.

NEM was created to enrich utopianfuture and selected few by building a communist army of mindless slaves.

not so stupid after all! best and cleverest scam on Bitcointalk so far that has to be said for sure.

While he MIGHT not have evidence its actually impossible to trace a sockpuppet account. I have some, sent money from an exchange into a brand new wallet. BOOM! untraceable stake.

Now go fuck yourself fair distribution my ass!

Plus that UP guy was such a self-righteous asshole!

So guilty without proof?

I've only very briefly looked at these Nem threads started by the OP, but I think one could get whiplash between him going into negative troll/fud mode back to being pro Nem/Utopian, to back to troll mode again. It's like he has a split personality.

Or he is simply buying coins cheap, wait for rise and then selling, then repeating the process. So either he's a smart troll that has figured out that trolling can be sometimes profitable, or he has some mental issues.

Oh wow is this true? I sold my NEM stakes as I need money for my move..WOW this sux..

Newbie.  Joins in June.  Claims to have sold NEM stakes.   ::)   ;D

Too bad registrations closed all the way back in March and NEM back then had almost no value attached to it.

It must be. Some random guy made claims in a forum, so it has to be true.

Proof would be nice, but it is never necessary here.

The only thing that makes someone guilty is they claim NEM was a fair distribution, when it clearly isn't.

Ironically the fairest way to do POS which people have criticized so much is the way NXT and Qora did it. ie Give everyone a chance to send in BTC and your stake is shared with those who donate proportionally to the amount people are willing to bet on it. It wasn't NXT's fault no one donated. Qora got 130 BTC which was a nice amount to start from I think, ideally could of been more but people were busy getting stakes in Exocoin that hasn't even got a wallet yet.

The NEM way just rewards developers over average one stakeholders. Communism in practice. Equality for all, just not the leaders.

Developers should have more. Rewards are equal to contributions. That's fair and how the world works.

NxT did not need a developer fund because BCnext prematurely closed the IPO, as soon as people started to get interested, and then he later cashed out his entire stake for around $500K (he needed the money, 'scam succeeded' and ran off and abandoned his own project.  These are facts.  Not providing links, as this happened back in 2013 and it's common knowledge, unless you refuse to believe it, to 'old NxTers' such as myself.  If you want a link then read the old NxT thread, the original one, all your answers are there.  Google is your friend).

In contrast - the NEM developers are hardly being compensated - right now (assuming the price holds) all they would get is a measly $40K, at current prices.    At least one developer had to put his PhD on hold to contribute to NEM.  This is in contrast to the rest of us, who didn't spend hours programming, who got $1.5K just for putting $5 to $15 months ago

BCnext got off relatively easy - all he did was program a $hit browser interface, got it barely working just enough, and then dumped all the real workload on his successors while he ran off with half a cool million. BCnext likely came back to Bitcointalk but created another project - who knows if it was Qora, NEM, if he's on the Ethereum team, who honestly knows ( / don't care really)

In cases of Nxt, Qora, it is likely the founders withheld information about the project and sent in a large portion of the total fund themselves.

It is very easy to do. For example you quietly open an IPO thread and keep it for one month but give out no code, do no marketing. Obviously no one will care and therefore the total contribution would be low. You and and your friends then send in 10-20 btc and claim a big portion of the coin.

NEM has a certain number of stakeholder target. That is the way to go.

Qora had only about 30BTC after a month. During that time he actually released a beta wallet for people to see. He felt the BTC was not enough for a good distribution so he extended another week. Then quite a few people sent in and they ended up with 130 BTC.

Your theory in this case doesn't hold water.  


The truth was that there was soooooo many IPO's about the same time as Qora that it got buried among them.

Most of them turned out to be scams. Thats the risk you take with IPO's Thats why you deserve to do well if you spot the 1 in 100 IPO that is actually a good coin. You are more likely to buy a cheap coin and see it rise than get in on a decent IPO generally. My biggest wins have been buying NXt cheap and buying Darkcoin dirt cheap too. I believe my Qora purchases will do just as well.

Yet you trash NEM, even though you are the one (right) who claims he has 10 stakes?  

Everyone seems to claim to have 10 to 50 stakes.   ;D  Why not 100 or 1000?! 

It certainly applies in the case of Nxt. For Qora, maybe the developer want money (btc) more than a bigger share of the coin? In this case, it is even worse because he has no big reason to attach to the coin in the long run.

There's no reason to end any IPO prematurely, unless you have 1000+ participants.

Every coin, presumably if it's a good one, is going to be here for the next several years?  Why rush an IPO?  Unless the incentive is greed?

You know what if I created a coin from scratch I personally would want to own 20% at least I feel like I would deserve it. The fact that NXT probably didnt own that much amazes me. NXT was open for quite a while its not their fault that no one sent in BTC.


The big myth about NXT is that the first stakeholders made so much money when actually in the early stages of NXT anyone had the chance to buy NXT on Bitcointalk and then on Dgex at dirt cheap prices and turn a few bitcoin into a small fortune.

The stupid thing about Qoras distribution is we are still in the early dirt cheap stage and people aren't buying that much yet. People talking on here wont be able to say they didn't know when it rises 1000%.

Though I will get a kick out of saying I told you so to me honest.

So people who dislike NxT are irrational and envious?  NxT less volume than Cinni..  ;)

By the way - I have been following NxT almost as long as the NxT whales.  As soon as it hit Dgex, everyone conspired to engage in price manipulation and then it was always at least $0.01.   A lot of whales got off with 10+ million at the cost of a few $Fiat, and yet you're telling me it was 'cheap enough' at $0.01 (never mind $0.04 - it raised quickly in weeks) for anyone to have bought in.

Sure...  average person has $100K they're going to throw into a week(s) / month old crypto back in late 2013, to buy off BCnext and the whales who bought in at nothing.


I'm convinced Gorillajam has to be one of the original NxT whales, there's no other explanation to his weird defense of NxT's distribution.

Someone developing a coin wont want to wait more than a month or two once they have developed a coin.

Actually the biggest scams are the ones that last forever like NXTL and Ethereum that hopes to get like a bazzion Bitcoin!


Distribution doesn't happen at IPO anyway, it happens when people start selling their stake.

Well you still made around 1000% at $0.01

Lots of much cheaper NXT was been passed around on BT threads. The facts are there if you want to search for old threads.

I know cause I was one of the buyers.  ;D

Nxt has multiple 50 million accounts that never sold anything since launch until very recently. Is that the behavior of a normal investor? These accounts should have deep links to BCNext as in my theory above. I will take a look at Qora though.

What was great about NXt is it was one of first time I had a chance to get into the game like the big miners were able to. Before I watched as people with tech abilities mined the crap out of coins early on and were saying how much they were making. I have a 5 year old laptop and I know shit about mining. So I am discriminated against cause I'm stupid. How is that fair?

Honestly you should. Not everyone on here has terrible intentions, I bought and am waiting for it to rise at least to 500 sats. Might take a month might take 6 but I know it will happen so why not tell people, its a win win for me and those who listen.

You clearly are new here. lol

PirateAt40, MyBitcoin.com, Bitcoininca, MTGOX, just to name a few are much bigger scams than this.  ;D ;D ;D

I will. We are all here trying to make some extra though. It is good to have a friendly advice. I don't like miners, neither and the vast majority of people do not want to have anything to do with mining so there is a big room for POS coins like Qora, NEM, Nxt etc.

"Cleverest"?

There were much more organized scams on this forum than this. You obviously are new here.  ::) ::) ::)

IN regard to NXT we are basically at this early stage. I almost now cant believe the price people were giving their NXT away. I say giving cause the price was so low they almost were. Its interesting to see it took a couple of months for the frenzy to kick off.

I'm not sure Qora has the excitement of NXT cause people are jaded by new coins but what I think will happen is as the functions are steadily added over the next month or two Qora will show how user friendly and brilliant it is. Thats my guess anyway. Time will tell.


https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/index-to-nxt-threads-on-bitcointalk-started-in-2013/?PHPSESSID=cnhhusc3nmfqm4hrro7fisg5o2

BTT is becoming a reality show.  Somewhere inbetween Jersey Shore and The Apprentice.

99% is, which makes it hard to see the 1% that is The National Geographic Doc's.


You don't think the amount of shitcoins on your signature kind of rules you out of judging anything?

BTC NXT KARMA is where I am at evenly split.  Nothing in my signature points to a coin, but thanks for noticing.

Throw in 1 BTC in October.  Two months later, you have $5+ million.  Not counting those 'lucky' 20 wallets which were probably 5 people with socks, since there was no taint analysis or anything.

If I woke up one morning with $25 million from a mere fluke and my coin got outted out as a distribution scam, I would be dumping too.

Such is NxT coin for BCnext and friends.  "Buy NxT while it's cheap" (and make BCnext a billionaire)

So believing what you learnt from NXT why didn't you invest in Qora?

here's my belief, you are focused so much on jealous of others you focus your own failings on others. It is so easy to look at NXT and Qora from hindsight. Far harder to find them and invest in them when most say they are scams.

The truth is over the last year we have had two major POS coins that if you invested in you could of been one of those big Whales. I don't believe for a second if you spotted them you would be moaning like a girl on here.

You were I'm sure busy mining and trading some shitcoin. Posting here is like posting your failures as a man, blaming others for your failures.

Your donations into NEM sure look suspicious to me, Seeing lots of stepped amounts similar to the donation increases sent to other accounts or exchanges? Then the account stops after the donation time. Your a scammer sockpuppet maker calling others out on being scams. Another UP. lol


you couldn't make it up. If I were you I would run away now and make another sockpuppet to hide yourself. Otherwise I might go hunting thorough your account like a pig looking for truffles.



https://blockchain.info/address/1KNjQFzZHjBq98btSE86bDYH1DCm4GVPLV

Why do you keep using the words "scam". Who got scammed ?

Why would he not? Such intense scam must be called appropriate dude.

Who got scammed ?

entire community

What did the community lose ?

Im not sure if u have a brain:  Money

I only see that every stakeholder got 1000-1500$ for a very small amount put it.

Question: show your evidence that UF has more than 1 sock account?

see first posts of this thread.

No evidence there. Are you stupid?

In case u cant read: waiting for official statement of Nem development team before releasing the hard hit out of fairness.   BTW all evidence is public already, anyone can find it; debunk whitepaper with specific addresses after statement.

Intense!

I was invited by utopianfuture in the Trello project for further development of NEM. I didn't take part of it actively, just gave some advices. I am monitoring it tough and I can say these guys seem ambitius and working hard. I am not protecting them and I am just saying what I know. I am surprised of these accusations and I would be happy utopianfuture to step up here and state his official statement on this.

yea there should be a statement regarding them scam obviously.

im sry, NEM is not scam, NEM is the one!

true words. in this spirit i will lock this thread now.