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While browsing through newspapers I run across this one:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27815220
Why sexual violence in UK gangs 'similar to war zones'

Just the title was enough to make me curios about it.



https://www.linkedin.com/pub/lola-mustapha/51/282/b08


I want to know the opinions of a few UK residents on this.
If this is true and you have heard of so many cases or it's just another article to drive clicks or this girl "Lola" wanting to make the headlines.

It depends, if you go to the shit hole chav estates, you certainly could find this to be true, by that I mean areas where there are definitely gangs operating which you can tell by how run down everything is, but almost every news outlet in the UK including the BBC is guilty of constantly reporting these kind of stories, if you went by what the media say you'd think that that everybody here was a potential murderer because they constantly post murder stories up but in reality most people here just get on with their lives.

London for example is definitely what I'd class as a shit hole, it's an overpriced shit hole with some nice areas in it but it's not surprising that there are a bunch of gangs there, I live in a shit hole and I repeatedly have to dodge police cars, so stuff clearly happens, but most of the time people just randomly start fights with each other and so on rather than anything serious, they are a waste of space though and they do nothing but constantly try to harass random people and cause trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIdrMclltu4 - This is the kind of thing you tend to see as opposed to real violence, chavs tend to pick on the weak or rely on numbers but if you actually stick up for yourself they're pretty cowardly, note how run down the area is these are the places the gangs operate.

The only other place I know of that has 'organised' gangs are places like Manchester where they actually have access to guns, don't know who's supplying them though or where they come from, I think they keep it a secret, there was an old article I saw on this by the BBC and a gang member was interviewed who said it was actually easy to get them.

It wouldn't be shocking. In the U.S we have gangstas (I'm not limiting it to a specific ethnicity, nationality, race, gender, religion, or basically anything) or trashy people. The U.K has chavs, which are basically a bit better than the U.S' punks.

In the U.S, I think gang activity is a bit worse. Gun shots in neighborhoods, killing kids to get back at a rival gang, hit and runs, etc.

It wouldn't be hard to believe in the U.K things like this happen. They happen in the U.S too, just on a bit of a worse scale in some cases.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/  LOL

The media isn't reporting it and the government isn't stopping it because the perpetrators are muslim.


"In organised gangs, men groomed girls they met on the street. Most of the offenders were of Pakistani origin and most of the victims were white"

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article2863078.ece

Nine muslim men controlled six young English girls in Oxford:

“She frequently caught chlamydia. She was often covered in bruises and burns where the men had stubbed her with cigarettes.”

http://www.cherwell.org/news/town/2013/01/20/oxford-sex-ring-trial-begins


"He admitted the caller’s number had not been checked and said: “I cannot even remember if I informed police of that conversation.”

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/bullfinch/10256213.Care_staff____knew_girl_was_being_groomed___/

There are more examples, but I don't enjoy researching rape.  The situation looks like a war because it is a war.

3,500 gang members in london? that's probably equivalent to a small city in the U.S.

That is probably an under-estimation. There are some 2,500 gang members in the Tower Hamlets alone, divided in to 27 street gangs (Tower Hamlets is just one out of the 32 Boroughs of London).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/east-londons-bangladeshi-street-gangs-agree-to-truce-1174983.html

Good thing guns are banned, someone might be injured trying to rape you. It's just not safe.

lol It's actually quite notable how gun control advocates stay away from issues like this.

The solution to this is liquidate 3 -6 gang members everyday and the rest will run away. This is happen to my City, when the gang members become a problem to business owners, the business owners financed a vigilante group with the sole job is to locate and kill every gang members. Our City became peaceful until now.

I think I've heard of that happening somewhere before, except it was rebel groups the business owners financed because the government were corrupt.

Here in my country the rebel hit squad mostly kills corrupt police, politician and rebel traitors.
The vigilante is another group mainly kills drug syndicate and gang members.

When the pigs take your ability to defend yourself and refuse to defend you.. what do you expect?

95% of the gang members in London are non-British. There are Somalis, Poles, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, West Indians, Russians, Arabs, and even Cypriots. If a gang member is killed, then the extreme-left will claim that the government is trying to exterminate the ethnic minorities.

That made it easier. Anyone who complain will be included. That is no brainier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYHwbG0Ds0

No weapons is good, at specially not in criminals hands. I will never understand how US can allow selling their own kids weapons, which they use only for showing off and killing innocent. I think that without them there would be less crime.

Then explain why the crime rate in London (UK) is higher than that in Portland (United States). What really happening is that the gang members have access to fire-arms and use them to attack normal people, while the latter group are denied access to the same fire-arms, which they would have used to defend themselves.

aren't you comparing apples to oranges here? why are you comparing london to portland specifically? again, you're sounding like a GOP guy. people in the U.S. end up killing other people with guns way way more than they do in the UK.. not overall numbers, but per 100,000 people.

wikipedia shows:
U.S. = 3.6 deaths per 100,000 people
U.K. = .25 per 100,000 people

of all the developed nations, the U.S. is far and away the highest deaths per 100,000 people.

You can't compare the U.S to the U.K for one thing the populations are too different so of course crime rates are going to be lower because there are less people to commit them, even if you gave everybody in the UK a gun the result would still be less than the U.S purely because of land mass and the population numbers.

This is what happens when scum from abroad is imported and placed into ghettos.
In London you have the same tribes playing out the exact same tribal warfare that they emigrated to get away from.

London is disgusting now.

London is quite diverse now. Bangladeshis have long overtaken the Irish as the second largest ethnic group.  ;D BTW... check the last map.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/bangladesh.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/black_african.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/black_caribbean.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/chinese.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/indian.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/irish.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/pakistani.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2005/01/20/white_british.gif

^^ lol looks like whitey is running to the hills

Where the fuck have you been? London was always a shit hole lol! Do I need to dig through history and provide you examples of extreme pollution like smog and the London fires to prove it to you?

Not all the Whiteys, but the English-speaking ones.  ;D Inner London is getting flooded with all those EU immigrants (Poles, Lithuanians, Romanians, Latvians.etc). Also, there are lots of Russians and Ukrainians.

That's why we have rates....per 100 000 people and not counting the entire crime numbers.
So the average crime rate in UK is 10 times less that the one in the US.

And there's the extra problem Niothor, like with political polls these will have been carefully sourced to the political ideology of the person putting out the statistics, when your have per 100,000 people, which areas are these in? Which states? One thing I've had to do is re-learn mathematics later in life and ever since I did that this kind of thing has become more and more obvious to me and it's pretty amazing how easily people fall for it.

The rates are not done for a state or calculated like a poll
In 2011 UK reported 653 crimes all over the country.
The United states reported 14,173.

total number of crimes / population  > crime rate in a country.

Well that's just what I stated, they're doing it for the whole country, much like how a poll uses the "87% of Americans believe" line and then you dig into their mathematics and they've only done about 1000 people to represent the whole country. You can't use this kind of maths as a way of measuring the thought process of other human beings or the crime rates of an entire country, it's all completely fake. In case you couldn't tell, this is actually one of my pet hates about politics in general and it really ticks me off :P mainly because I've had to go and re-learn mathematics while there are morons out there who are being paid to make it all up.

Sorry but you're contradicting yourself on this one.
The polls use the view of 1000 persons.

Those statistics use the point of all the persons in the united states.

It's not out of 1000 poeple 457 will vote for Clinton so we can assume 45.7% of Americans will vote for Clinton.
It's more like, out of 300 millions 14k are dead while we are certain that the rest 300 mils are still alive.

The only poll that could match those statistics will be one in which ALL the people would have to answer while connected to a lie detector.
And you have to agree that this poll would be fair and representative.

People waiting for objectivity and accuracy from media are going to wait long.... I'm not saying that the sexual violence in UK gangs is not horrible, in fact it is the opposite and it should be condemned but the comparing to war zones is a joke really

Aye it's a bit sensationalist but the UK does have a problem with sexual violence / rape etc.

You shouldn't compare any of those maps with each other - look at how wildly the percentage ranges differ in each key, and they use the same shades of colour for totally different percentage groups in each map...

You're probably right about the Bangladeshi population, but these maps are totally misleading.

EDIT: You see, the pictures make it look like "whitey is running for the hills", but when you look closer, the bottom population range in the "White British" map is 8.7%-50%. This is a lot closer to the TOP population range of the other maps, and a wider range. So although, there has been an influx of immigrants to London, these graphics don't prove how much/little when compared to each other.

Also I was wondering, do these graphics show 1st generation immigrants only, or simply ethnicities? I mean, many of the Indian/Pakistani population would be 3rd or 4th generation by now?

Don't let the vocabulary fool you, not all "gangs" in the U.S. are close to that violent and dangerous.  Some "gangs" in the U.S. are almost social clubs that must put on a fascade of individuality and roughness.

That being said, I am not condoning gang activity.

For example, the London Borough of Tower Hamlets is only 31% White-British. Some of the wards there are less than 10% White British. These wards were not uninhabited earlier. A few decades ago, they were 95% White British and the rest White Irish. So where did all of them went?

According to the FBI, The Insane Clown Posse is a gang, and so are "juggalos/juggalettes".
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/insane-clown-posse-sue-fbi-over-juggalos-gang-classification-20140108

Why are these gang not being deal with by parent and authority?