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Once they figure out how to fingerprint your consciousness with all your memories onto a hard-drive, they just transfer it to a robot body when you die. Human intelligence has a limit, the smartest scientists in the world can barely understand quantum mechanics. In order for human intelligence to improve, you have to upgrade the hardware (brain). First they use supercomputers to figure things out, then they will start putting computers in our brains (cyborgs), the final step is completely becoming a computer. But what do the robots evolve into after that?

It depends what you mean by robots. I don't think the human brain will adapt to the von neumann cycle or run an operating system itself.
Humans have still different needs than machines, in a way. I think machinery will be supplementary to our bodies.
The earliest sign of this are the spyware-contained smart phones.

Robots can do our labourious work, but the "innovation" part of life still need a human brain. Humans have imagination and dreams. That is the driving force of innovations. As to our physical bodies, may be we can do without them in the future.

The technological singularity is related to this idea; I really do think it is only a matter of time before we reach such a point and thus achieve functional immortality. At that time, humanity will finally be capable of traveling the stars (without the need for engines capable of pushing us close to or beyond (which is impossible based on known physics) the speed of light) because lifespans will be irrelevant and thus travel times inconsequential even if they stretch into the thousands of years.

Functionally or mechanically? Functionally, most people are already robotic. Mechanically, we have been working on that for a very long time, and each year we get closer.

lots of scientists understand quantum mechanics. nowadays, lots of grad students do too.

This thesis assumes that human minds are really nothing more than sophisticated computers made of meat.

If that is true, Transhumanism will be an evolution of humans into something better.

If that is not true, Transhumanism could be a mortal threat to humanity.

We won't know until the technology develops enough to test it in the real world.

too many people watching too many movies, but the hollywood drive for man's technological leaps in the the future will be a bit chicken / egg, with new technology inspiring new movies, and new movies inspiring some people wanting to become robots
each year in the next million years some people who want to go down the robot route can get a bit more robotic if the technology is developed which it probably will be to a certain extent, a bit like robocop type technology but without the guns because guns will be banned

first of all there will be "robot suit" type options like exo-skeletons, such as in the spiderman movie with willem dafoe - green goblin, and in the aliens movie with sigourney weaver stuck in the big loader robot fighting the mother alien

then the human brain will be installed in to the small honda robot, *asimo and other bigger robots like in the transformer movies where you can transform into anything not just a truck or a car (also using nanobots like in *keanu reeves - the day the earth stood still).

if you have an accident in the future you might also wake up as a robot, depending how many bits you lost in the accident, and you would be given a few months to try it out if you like it, otherwise you could switch yourself off for a few years and may be try it again later

or robots will evolve into humans like robin williams in bicentennial man


*asimo - means advanced step in innovative mobility, which really is asiim - more of a hindu sounding name like aseem meaning limitless or endless, but is really a shortened version of (isaac) asimov 1920-1992 the first robot inventor

*keanu - means fresh air flowing over the mountains

They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."

The point being, will humans ever be smart enough to comprehend everything in the quantum world, and other dimensions, or will they have to use computers to comprehend that stuff for them?

It will be similar to how layman and scientist are now. We can't comprehend half of the stuff that scientists can but we trust their intelligence. If scientists use quantum supercomputers to figure things out, the supercomputers will become the new scientists, and the scientists will become the laymen. The next step in understanding is to mind meld with the computers.

Right now we use tools for understanding the universe - math, the scientific method. But what if we didn't have to use tools, the tools would be part of our brain that would calculate math and conduct experiments in real time? If they can make powerful enough supercomputers that do this, we would become the computer and be all knowing. Maybe they could even view the universe in all dimensions.

Actually - fuck computers, if computers are so advance maybe they can figure out a way to make biological brains that operate faster than supercomputers. Brains that operate on the quantum level!?

One of the theories I've heard is that our consciousness is rooted in quantum states, so as far as the end of your post goes ("brains that operate on the quantum level"), that might just be ... The brain.

Although animé may not be your cup of tea (guessing, not sure), you should definitely check out the movies/tv shows called Ghost in the Shell. They are dealing with exactly what you are describing. Some episodes are really digging deep into thinking what it means to simply "be".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_shell

Hmm.. Not on netflix as of right now.

We may not have to wait too long...


Dawn of bionic age? Paralysed man becomes first to use power of thought to move hand
Ohio doctors insert microchip into Ian Burkhart’s brain allowing him to move hand for first time since accident


A young American paralysed in a swimming accident has become the first patient to move his hand using the power of thought after doctors inserted a microchip into his brain.
Ian Burkhart was able to open and close his fist and even pick up a spoon during the first test of the chip, giving hope to millions of accident victims and stroke sufferers of a new bionic era of movement through thought.
Onlookers described the moment he was able to move by the sheer force of concentration as like watching “science fiction come true”.

Doctors at the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center created the “Neurobridge” technology, whereby a microchip reads patients’ thoughts in order to replace signals no longer transmitted by their broken bodies, in conjunction with engineers from Battelle, a non-profit research centre.

While doctors have seen some success in recent years in getting stroke victims to manoeuvre robotic arms using their thoughts, Mr Burkhart is the first to move his own body.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10923751/Dawn-of-bionic-age-Paralysed-man-becomes-first-to-use-power-of-thought-to-move-hand.html

The majority are already walking meat puppets, the only thing that will change is there will be more synthetic components.

This is easy to answer.

What we will evolve into is unthinkable.

What if we already are robots?
What if the conversion happened without us noticing it?
All that medicine doctors give you when you are sick, or whatever.

Maybe we already are robots!

But all joking aside I don't think there will ever be a straight conversion, I think people would have the choice whether or not to go the way of the "borg". Or maybe they won't have a decision, the way the country is going we might have free will or choice in a few years!

Once Quantum Biology becomes reality, your prescription could simply be emailed/streamed to you as binary codes, not chemically based, perfectly matching your unique "DNA Platform". Prescription or even body enhancement, fixing bones with minimum external aggressive solutions would then be a reality, even skipping a need for becoming a robot.  Obviously by that time, a computer virus could also hold your heart as hostage while you try to pay that hacker from eastern europe 1.5 bitcoins to get that key to release it...

http://youtu.be/Z_KI9sjyVIQ

Like the Matrix

I feel that by the time we can put your brain on a hard drive, we will probably be making our own brains and organs.

Maybe put you in a robot if your get to injured to survive.

But yea I think there will be a time when we can grow kindeys or instantly cure cancer. Allthough I also believe that something new and better will wipe everyone out like CanAids or a futurestic plague or asteroid.


Also your brain is in your body your head, I feel without actually putting your physical brain into the robot  it will not be you. It will only be a robot with your memories , ambitions, personality and emotions but it will not be you it will be a computer/robot like you.

So here's an interesting question: If we erase your brain and copy the brain data of sana8410 into yours. Then who are you?

If this could work, travelling would be so much faster. One could do an exchange, where two people switch brain data over the internet. Question is, if the brain data copied into the other person is not you - or your own brain is erased from the host body - then who are you?
 

Research should be done to keep the brain to live forever. We can use various robotic components to replace other organs and sensors.

Yep.

Stargate: Universe - How Communication Stones works

http://youtu.be/U0kJ3o72vGQ

Stargate is fiction. Even if the communication stones become reality one day, most people here will be long gone by then.

Humans are already robots.

You should pay more attention to what premise I was replying to with an example of this idea being already developed.
Also the question "Do you think humans will eventually evolve into robots?" does not have a time table and can be categorized under the SciFi subgenre called social science fiction:
Social science fiction is a subgenre of science fiction concerned less with technology and space opera and more with speculation about human society. In other words, it "absorbs and discusses anthropology", and speculates about human behavior and interactions.

Exploration of fictional societies is a significant aspect of science fiction, allowing it to perform predictive (The Time Machine (1895); The Final Circle of Paradise, 1965) and precautionary (Brave New World, 1932; Nineteen Eighty-Four, 1949; Childhood's End, Fahrenheit 451, 1953) functions, to criticize the contemporary world ( Gulliver's Travels, 1726; Antarctica-online) and to present solutions (Walden Two), to portray alternative societies (World of the Noon) and to examine the implications of ethical principles (the works of Sergei Lukyanenko).

Most people here, including you, will be long gone by then before getting the answer, but in the mid time, before our death it is fun to participate in this thread, don't you think?  :)

https://i.imgur.com/lTD9HFK.jpg

Technology singularity might happen before we are dead. If it does, immortality is not out of the question.

You can allways freeze yourself if not.

Immortality? No one wants a thread like this to last forever...  ;D

After I watched Avatar I was tripping about this idea hard.  I think it is very possible and will happen.  I have a hunch the purpose of life(not ours life in general) is to reach a point of immoratlity.

I believe the purpose of our consciousness is to reach a point of "ultimate knowledge" some time in the future. Life ceases to have any meaning without death.

Too much thinking. If there is no thinking about it there won't be ideas about creating something like that.
With your statement you are basically encouraging people with scientific conscience to think about this and eventually to create something of this.

Singularity discussions here ..

http://www.kurzweilai.net/blog

Triff ..

Life is meaningless if it will cease to exists one day.

Life can still exist without consciousness. Can the other way be true?

I agree completely.

Humans behave very much like machines. You could create a probabilistic model for a day of human life, and find out that it pretty much matches it - most of the time  :)

Hence the question on the meaning of life finally have an answer. There is no purpose.

All I need scientists to do is figure out this time travel thing. That will go a long way to solving my problem of always being late for work.

Remove time, and there is no meaning to distance. Imagine afterlife like this. How can a linear soul or whatever function in a nonlinear place or whatever?

rather than get too fancy with super brains and computers, first of all it is just a matter of getting a half decent robot prototype like asimo that can run about and maybe climb and stuff, then sticking a man's brain into it, that controls it properly, without the brain being rejected

this is still too advanced for the boffins yet, so they may have to start with a whole man's head and spinal column, lungs, heart and all the basics, to get a functional crossbred robot / man type combination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO

that was just feynman being feynman. it's pop-science BS though. We understand quantum mechanics the same amount we understand newtonian mechanics. It's a mathematical structure that describes (really fucking well) the dynamics of certain things. If you understand the math, that's all there is to understand.

no, science is about inference, not computation. There's no reason to think that a quantum computer will be better at inference than a human will be. though i'm sure inference algorithms will one day be up to the task, but that has nothing to do with computational power, and has much more to do with developing new algorithms.

sounds like you are just throwing out a bunch of lingo and smashing it together, without really having much understanding about what those words mean.

back in the 1960's and 70's predictions about where we would be in 20 to 40 years by the turn of the millennium were portrayed in films like 2001 a space odyssey and many others

truth turned out that we made shit slow progress in space and with fuck all money, won't be doing much significant for the future yet

same with robots, don't hold yer breath for much happening in the next 30 or so years up to 2050, it won't be like it currently is in Hollywood films about all the robot shit

yeah humanity will probably die out sooner than things will become like they are in movies. If not then I'm talking about 1 billion + years in the future. read some kurzweil, it's good stuff .

I think 'robot' is the wrong term ..

Bionic or bio-hybrid might be closer to it ..
We're seeing it now what with artificial hips and knees etc ..
Organ and limb replacements will increase over time ..
The uber wealthy will do anything to keep their brains alive ..
Human brain with the normal blood/plasma in an entirely artificial body ..
Transhumanism here we come ..

Triff .. who won't make it to the 'singularity' .. too old .. :(


 

Some of humans will eventually evolve into god-like creatures. The rest of them will kill each other or fall into another remake of the Middle Ages. ::)

You are right about artificial tools inside the human body.
Living forever may not be a pleasure.

I believe you are mistaken with the premise that life creates consciousness.  Consciousness creates life.

Most of the resources in the last 3-4 decades went into "financial innovation". It turned out most of it is horseshit.

Hopefully, same mistake won't be repeated again and true innovation will come from something that will improve the quality of life and solve existing global issues.

there's zero evidence for this idea. it's a hack idea.

just don't listen to anything he has to say about biological brains. he doesn't know what he's talking about on that subject.

Someone tried peddling this shit at Beyond Belief and got ripped to shreds during Q&A. It was awesome but also makes you feel embarrassed for the guy because you can tell he wasn't expecting it.
He must have thought he was at a TED conference.

was it stuart hammeroff? that guy wouldn't shut the fuck up at one of the conferences I went to, and I ended up having a 15 minute conversation with him during the poster session. conclusion: the guy is fucking crazy.

It sure was!Lawrence Krauss is the first to respond: "From a physics perspective, everything you've said is complete nonsense, and maybe I'm being too polite. [...] We can talk about it later, but you're just wrong. Skip to ~23min for Q&A (the video is a couple hours because it has multiple speakers; Hammeroff is the first one, though).
That was actually a lot more tame than how I remembered it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMq7AkUnc4w

It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.

Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.

Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.

Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.

How is quantum entanglement explained?How is double slit theory explained?Unless I am mistaken, scientist are still trying to fully understand these things.

double slit experiment is as understood in the same way that anything that follows F=ma is. You quite literally will learn about it, and go through it in detail, in either the first or second day of basically any intro QM course.

I know what you are getting at. You are just using the word "understand" in some meaningless abstract way that doesn't correspond to what the word means in practice by scientists. Understand just means, really, that you have a mathematical structure that is one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon, and there is absolute no mathematical structure, not F=ma, not relativity, not string theory, that is anywhere near as good as showing that its structure is really truly one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon as QM is.

I've looked online for explanations of quantum entanglement, all I can find are different theories. Explain to me how one particle can have the same properties of the other particle even if they are on opposite sides of the planet.

first off, it would be difficult to set up entangled particles on opposite sides of the planet. second off, there's not much to explain, all it is is two particles whose states cannot be decomposed into two independent spaces which can be outer producted to get the composite hilbert space.

if you don't understand those mathematical concepts then you don't understand entanglement. but once you do, then you know everything there is to know about it.

Entanglement is a result of two particles being part of the same wave function.

Double slit isn't a theory, it's an experiment. An experiment explained by treating particles as wave packets instead of point masses or waves.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Entanglement and the double slit experiment are phenomena that were predicted by the mathematics. The fact that they are real an observable only gives merit to QM, not the other way around. If you want to discredit QM or otherwise say "we dont know it all" you would use examples like the lack of a quantum explanation for gravity. However, that would be unfair because proofing why things have mass took a project as big as the LHC. Proofing the explanation for things with mass being attracted to other things with mass will take much more time, money, and even larger instruments.

I'm not saying QM is perfect, I'm saying you're ignorant. The uncertainty principle is very real, insurmountable, and tells us it is impossible to perfectly model an existing system concurrently.

Just like we will never disprove F=ma...

so what if we just started out a bit more simpler, with putting on a robot like helmet and making robot like movements ?...or just buy an inflatable sex doll.

No. Humans aren't smart enough to even begin to make such a robot.

It is infinity.  Infinite dimensions everywhere.  All that could ever be imagined is constantly happening right where you are.

What kind of satisfaction could come from having hundreds of trillions of non-tangible humans "running" at once? It'd be a waste to even try doing anything once that's accomplished. All data they create would be analyzed automatically to figure out which conditions cause what. The only job/hobby left would be tweaking variables, creating pre-made content, watching people suffer, and upgrading hardware. .... Okay, being God would be pretty cool... Maybe a creation myth where everyone comes from the piss oceans, and therefor everyone must live on the coastlines to piss into the piss oceans so life can continue, and if people stop pissing in the oceans, increase birth defect chances until people die out or start pissing in the oceans again.


.... Okay, that'd be really damn cool. Take a Paradox Interactive map and have it made up of "real" humans guided by different gods (actual humans) who speak to the countries' leaders like was done with Dubya. If agnosticism or atheism take hold, just send a few hurricanes or HIV to wipe out the heathens. Oh, I could totally get into that role! Where do I sign up?

Oh, but then some White Knight will give the fake humans bodies in the real world and they'll kill us all, and we probably still wouldn't know how a god-damned bicycle works.