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Title: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: boymilk on July 02, 2014, 12:25:54 AM
Everyone says that mining on a laptop is a bad idea because it will overheat and fall apart. They say that laptops weren't designed to have their CPUs or GPUs running at 100% for long periods.

But how is mining different from running Crysis on max settings? I've never heard of people having their laptops break because they played too much video games. Shouldn't both mining and intensive gaming put an equal amount of stress on the laptop's components?

Just curious because I'm going to buy a new laptop soon. ;D


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Light on July 02, 2014, 12:54:37 AM
It is because last time I checked, you don't run Crysis on max (even if you have the graphics to support it) for extended periods of time (like 24/7). First off, laptops generally have really crappy cooling, you WILL overheat and damage your stuff if you do it for too long. Secondly, the return is far too poor for the cost. You would be getting like 800kH/s, which means you'd make nothing on BTC or any other coin is significant value for the enhanced possibility of bricking some of your parts.

If you want to get into mining, you'll need ASICs to make any kind of real money (beyond like a couple of dollars).


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: notlist3d on July 02, 2014, 12:56:01 AM
Everyone says that mining on a laptop is a bad idea because it will overheat and fall apart. They say that laptops weren't designed to have their CPUs or GPUs running at 100% for long periods.

But how is mining different from running Crysis on max settings? I've never heard of people having their laptops break because they played too much video games. Shouldn't both mining and intensive gaming put an equal amount of stress on the laptop's components?

Just curious because I'm going to buy a new laptop soon. ;D

Becuse most run the card at higher settings than you use gaming.  Not equal stress or amount of time.  You will ultimately regret it if you buy a nice laptop then mine with it.   It might not happen in a week or even a month, but you will see why if you do it.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Malin Keshar on July 02, 2014, 01:37:59 AM
pro gamers only play in desktops, because laptops are more expensive and less efficient. Also notes are harder and more expensive to repair and to upgrade, what you'll need to do wether you are a gamer or a miner


And to be fair, you should compare the damage of intense playing compared to normal usage in the long run. No one said that your laptop will explode and burn in flames in the second you start to mine.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Kprawn on July 02, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
Well I see they sell "cooling equipment" for notebooks with huge fans and it's like a docking station, but I guess, you need more area around the Gpu / Cpu to ventilate it properly.

There should be ways to do it though.

They even developing protocols now, where you mine Alt coins from cellphones, so it's not that it's not possible to do it. 


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: C.Steven on July 02, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
Everyone says that mining on a laptop is a bad idea because it will overheat and fall apart. They say that laptops weren't designed to have their CPUs or GPUs running at 100% for long periods.

But how is mining different from running Crysis on max settings? I've never heard of people having their laptops break because they played too much video games. Shouldn't both mining and intensive gaming put an equal amount of stress on the laptop's components?

Just curious because I'm going to buy a new laptop soon. ;D

As others mentioned, even on max setting, your GPU isn't running at 100%.
And also, you probably won't play the game consecutively for hours, days and weeks.

You may try mining on your new laptop for say an hour, and monitor your GPU temp closely to see how high it reaches.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: zimmah on July 02, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
The main reason mining on a laptop is useless is because you will waste more money on electricity than you will gain from mining.

Maybe some altcoins can be mined efficiently if your laptops processor is more energy-efficient than you desktop (which might be the case because laptops in general are designed for efficient use of battery)


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: notlist3d on July 02, 2014, 12:45:57 PM
The main reason mining on a laptop is useless is because you will waste more money on electricity than you will gain from mining.

Maybe some altcoins can be mined efficiently if your laptops processor is more energy-efficient than you desktop (which might be the case because laptops in general are designed for efficient use of battery)

I think the main reason is it's a perfect way to destroy a nice laptop.

You could have free power, and I think most would still agree mining on a "gaming laptop" is going to be detrimental long term.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: gondel on July 02, 2014, 02:14:38 PM
Hi all,
I used my laptop to mine different altcoins for fun 24/7 for weeks :) It was at work and I was leaving it mining during the night too . No problem at all. It was really hot, but I managed to do all my work ( as a support) while it was mining. There was really too less in return , but I made lot of my co workers mine for me too in ypool for XPM and the profit was better :)
So hope this aptop still survive after this masacre to its CPU.
You can give it a try just for fun. If something breaks while it is in guarantee you can change it. The seller will not know that you were minign on it.
BR


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: lynn_402 on July 02, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
Not only will the electricity cost you more than the coins you would make by mining, but you also have to consider the long-term damage this will make to your laptop. Running Crysis on max settings 24/7 would also be a massive strain on your laptop's health.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Chicowash on July 02, 2014, 08:06:26 PM
That laptop will overheat, due to being under full load all the time. Another thing is tat it will never earn back what it has burned in electricity ?


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: DrG on July 03, 2014, 10:40:53 AM
Short of running Futuremark I don't think any games or apps really max out any GPU.  You need both the core and memory to be running at top speed to max the TDP.

Run Afterburner and you'll see the graph jump around while playing a game.  Mine scrypt and it will max the thermal output for most cards.

Most likely some parts will fail in as little as a couple weeks.  I have seen cases warp in 1 weeks time just from clogged fans.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: BunsenBurner on July 03, 2014, 10:48:36 AM
The main reason mining on a laptop is useless is because you will waste more money on electricity than you will gain from mining.

Maybe some altcoins can be mined efficiently if your laptops processor is more energy-efficient than you desktop (which might be the case because laptops in general are designed for efficient use of battery)

I think the main reason is it's a perfect way to destroy a nice laptop.

You could have free power, and I think most would still agree mining on a "gaming laptop" is going to be detrimental long term.

Well, if you have free power, free air-conditioning, and idle laptops, it may not be detrimental (though you won't get much for all that effort). :)


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: DrG on July 03, 2014, 10:55:56 AM
The main reason mining on a laptop is useless is because you will waste more money on electricity than you will gain from mining.

Maybe some altcoins can be mined efficiently if your laptops processor is more energy-efficient than you desktop (which might be the case because laptops in general are designed for efficient use of battery)

I think the main reason is it's a perfect way to destroy a nice laptop.

You could have free power, and I think most would still agree mining on a "gaming laptop" is going to be detrimental long term.

Well, if you have free power, free air-conditioning, and idle laptops, it may not be detrimental (though you won't get much for all that effort). :)

If you have the above stated resources, you could lease your computing power to companies.  Several cloud based computing companies pay you a little for your computing power (by little I mean a couple pennies - which is far more than you can earn mining).


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: zimmah on July 03, 2014, 11:43:13 AM
The main reason mining on a laptop is useless is because you will waste more money on electricity than you will gain from mining.

Maybe some altcoins can be mined efficiently if your laptops processor is more energy-efficient than you desktop (which might be the case because laptops in general are designed for efficient use of battery)

I think the main reason is it's a perfect way to destroy a nice laptop.

You could have free power, and I think most would still agree mining on a "gaming laptop" is going to be detrimental long term.

If you don't mine on full throttle 24/7 but instead turn it done a little it won't destroy itself.

Of course it will mine a little slower but it will last longer too.

I still don't advice mining with computers or laptops. It just seems pretty pointless.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: OptimusPrime7 on July 03, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
I always believe you won't destroy your laptop while mining only if you can maintain a good temperature. About 70C. But like others said laptop have crappy cooling, good luck on that.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: johntheconjuring on July 03, 2014, 12:34:04 PM
Well you don't play Crysis for 24/7 but you will have to mine for 24/7  which will eventually burn the laptop very soon.Don't gamble with your laptop.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Chrithu on July 03, 2014, 12:37:55 PM
TBH I wouldn't mine with my gaming/working hardware be it laptop or desktop for prolonged periods. The GPUs and CPUs themselves sure can take some heat while being cooled. The main issue is that the fans of laptops and desktop graphics cards usually are NOT fit to run at full speed 24/7 for prolonged periods of time (and that is just what they do when you mine). If it isn't uncooled parts like Ram, conduits or condensators that break first from overheat the weak spot will be the fans of your hardware. And there is nothing more fatal than a fan stopping to run while hardware is under 100% stress.

I dunno how it is with current hardware but I used to work at a PC manufacturer and we once tested what happens when unplugging the fan while stressing a CPU/GPU with a benchmark: It starts an actual fire while it melts it's way through the mainboard/graphics card.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: OptimusPrime7 on July 03, 2014, 01:54:57 PM
Everyone says that mining on a laptop is a bad idea because it will overheat and fall apart. They say that laptops weren't designed to have their CPUs or GPUs running at 100% for long periods.

But how is mining different from running Crysis on max settings? I've never heard of people having their laptops break because they played too much video games. Shouldn't both mining and intensive gaming put an equal amount of stress on the laptop's components?

Just curious because I'm going to buy a new laptop soon. ;D

Even crysis on max setting going to take less cpu and gpu usage so no harm causes.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Godye Sclaro X9 on July 06, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
Just like the way it is possible to set settings to medium or low in Crysis to make it playable and you don't have to play Crysis every hour of every day, is it possible to set mining intensity to medium or low? And only run the miner a couple of hours a day?

Thanks.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: notlist3d on July 06, 2014, 12:04:36 PM
Just like the way it is possible to set settings to medium or low in Crysis to make it playable and you don't have to play Crysis every hour of every day, is it possible to set mining intensity to medium or low? And only run the miner a couple of hours a day?

Thanks.

You could adjust settingss.... but the amount you make would be very little.  No matter what the anwser is pretty going to be if your laptop is nice enough to "game" on you are risking to much on small profit.

Even if you have warranty it's not going to be fun to do a RMA on entire laptop if it comes to it.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: Katarina on July 06, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
It doesn't really matter if you using your laptop to run high-end game or mining as long as your CPU & GPU temperature is lower then 75C and it should last quite long.


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: silvestar on July 06, 2014, 05:51:59 PM
It doesn't really matter if you using your laptop to run high-end game or mining as long as your CPU & GPU temperature is lower then 75C and it should last quite long.

The problem is, your laptop GPU temperature could reach 80+ degree C in a short period of time mining (especially scrypt) :D


Title: Re: How is mining with a laptop different from running Crysis on max settings?
Post by: notlist3d on July 06, 2014, 06:40:56 PM
It doesn't really matter if you using your laptop to run high-end game or mining as long as your CPU & GPU temperature is lower then 75C and it should last quite long.

The problem is, your laptop GPU temperature could reach 80+ degree C in a short period of time mining (especially scrypt) :D

This thread should just be marked with no don't do it and closed :).