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Title: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 08:37:33 AM Some ass has manged to scam assets out of me.
NO STAKES ARE LOST ! Everyone on the list will get they're stakes and everyone who has bought a stake on the AE will (apart from the scammer obviously) Following accounts have scammed assets: NXT-XR2N-5SS3-X9BZ-H8BN8 NXT-8SCQ-9S3Q-JP2T-DM6Q5 NXT-8YZK-DV4T-4R3K-5BU5L NXT-ZHUA-3R7B-G74V-AG5VV NXT-29UX-LJCV-YAGJ-FZWV9 NXT-W7SY-5SMN-L7QE-E7CLA So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. Since almost 600 were issued I think we can safely say worse things have happend. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE !!!! Post by: Justin00 on July 04, 2014, 10:00:16 AM what is a nemstake ?
serious question... Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE !!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 10:06:13 AM what is a nemstake ? serious question... It's the representation of 1 stake of NEM which is traded on the NXT AE. You can find out more about NEM in my sig :) Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: makoto1337 on July 04, 2014, 10:50:43 AM what is a nemstake ? serious question... NEMstake: http://nextblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/12465186738101000735 Also on coinmarketcap ^^ Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: atoni on July 04, 2014, 11:52:47 AM How did he scam assets out of you?
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: lordoliver on July 04, 2014, 11:55:24 AM So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. how? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 04, 2014, 11:57:26 AM DO NOT BUY NEMStake from the NXT AE. Some ass has manges to scam assets out of me. Do not buy any more assets until I have assesed the sitution further. NO STAKES ARE LOST ! Everyone on the list will get they're stakes and everyone who has bought a stake on the AE will (apart from the scammer obviously) Following accounts have scammed assets: NXT-XR2N-5SS3-X9BZ-H8BN8 NXT-8SCQ-9S3Q-JP2T-DM6Q5 NXT-8YZK-DV4T-4R3K-5BU5L NXT-ZHUA-3R7B-G74V-AG5VV NXT-29UX-LJCV-YAGJ-FZWV9 NXT-W7SY-5SMN-L7QE-E7CLA So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. Since almost 600 were issued I think we can safely say worse things have happend. It is likely that the scammers already sold. It is not a good idea to take down the final stakeholder list. It is not like anyone can modify the sheet but you. You can't prevent people from selling in an unregulated market. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: lovely89 on July 04, 2014, 12:04:20 PM DO NOT BUY NEMStake from the NXT AE. Some ass has manges to scam assets out of me. Do not buy any more assets until I have assesed the sitution further. NO STAKES ARE LOST ! Everyone on the list will get they're stakes and everyone who has bought a stake on the AE will (apart from the scammer obviously) Following accounts have scammed assets: NXT-XR2N-5SS3-X9BZ-H8BN8 NXT-8SCQ-9S3Q-JP2T-DM6Q5 NXT-8YZK-DV4T-4R3K-5BU5L NXT-ZHUA-3R7B-G74V-AG5VV NXT-29UX-LJCV-YAGJ-FZWV9 NXT-W7SY-5SMN-L7QE-E7CLA So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. Since almost 600 were issued I think we can safely say worse things have happend. It would appear as though the best thing to do, would be to go yourself and buy 6 NEMstakes and burn them. This would ensure that everything to continues to run smoothly. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 01:33:20 PM How did he scam assets out of you? He created accounts with names that were almost identical to names on the stakeholderlist. So there would be dudexxx on the list and he would create an account dudexx. I always check on the google spreadsheet with the search function if the PMs really came from stakeholders. If the search function finds the text you are looking for it marks the entire cell green not just the letters which is why i didn't notize the one missing character. Cell lit up green so I thought it was a match. Of course all accounts were brand new but then so are many of our stakeholders so that didn't really ring any alarm bells. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 01:34:16 PM DO NOT BUY NEMStake from the NXT AE. Some ass has manges to scam assets out of me. Do not buy any more assets until I have assesed the sitution further. NO STAKES ARE LOST ! Everyone on the list will get they're stakes and everyone who has bought a stake on the AE will (apart from the scammer obviously) Following accounts have scammed assets: NXT-XR2N-5SS3-X9BZ-H8BN8 NXT-8SCQ-9S3Q-JP2T-DM6Q5 NXT-8YZK-DV4T-4R3K-5BU5L NXT-ZHUA-3R7B-G74V-AG5VV NXT-29UX-LJCV-YAGJ-FZWV9 NXT-W7SY-5SMN-L7QE-E7CLA So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. Since almost 600 were issued I think we can safely say worse things have happend. It would appear as though the best thing to do, would be to go yourself and buy 6 NEMstakes and burn them. This would ensure that everything to continues to run smoothly. They will go smoothly. Everyone that bought stakes on the AE and everyone on the stakehodlerlist will get their stakes. It's just those 6 stakes that are lost. Unless noone buys them from him because we sure as hell won't let him redeem stakes from those addresses :) Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: lovely89 on July 04, 2014, 01:50:50 PM DO NOT BUY NEMStake from the NXT AE. Some ass has manges to scam assets out of me. Do not buy any more assets until I have assesed the sitution further. NO STAKES ARE LOST ! Everyone on the list will get they're stakes and everyone who has bought a stake on the AE will (apart from the scammer obviously) Following accounts have scammed assets: NXT-XR2N-5SS3-X9BZ-H8BN8 NXT-8SCQ-9S3Q-JP2T-DM6Q5 NXT-8YZK-DV4T-4R3K-5BU5L NXT-ZHUA-3R7B-G74V-AG5VV NXT-29UX-LJCV-YAGJ-FZWV9 NXT-W7SY-5SMN-L7QE-E7CLA So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. Since almost 600 were issued I think we can safely say worse things have happend. It would appear as though the best thing to do, would be to go yourself and buy 6 NEMstakes and burn them. This would ensure that everything to continues to run smoothly. They will go smoothly. Everyone that bought stakes on the AE and everyone on the stakehodlerlist will get their stakes. It's just those 6 stakes that are lost. Unless noone buys them from him because we sure as hell won't let him redeem stakes from those addresses :) I think we can assume they will be sold, even if they are sold to their own accounts. This would mean 6 stakes will be redeemed that shouldn't have. This means there will either be an extra 6 million nem or every stakeholder will involuntarily donate a percentage of their nem to create 6 new stakeholders. Or, if 6 Nem stakes from the market were destroyed, it would be evened out. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: lordoliver on July 04, 2014, 01:52:21 PM I don't think you can ensure this. he can easily create other NXT accounts and buy with them first, before he sells it to someone else. or he can claim a stake with that accounts.
You only have 2 options: - buy 6 stakes and burn them as suggested from lovely89 - sell 6 stakes less on auction surely noone, that bought the scammed stakes should take responsibility for you not paying attention... of course noone wants the scammer to take advantage but you can't grab him... unless you work out his ip and visit him in person... Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 01:56:05 PM surely noone, that bought the scammed stakes should take responsibility for you not paying attention... Did i say they should ? Did i even suggest anything like that ? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: bigasic on July 04, 2014, 02:11:06 PM I think what lordoliver is saying is that you should redeem them. in your other statement you alluded that they couldn't be redeemed.
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 02:13:02 PM I think what lordoliver is saying is that you should redeem them. in your other statement you alluded that they couldn't be redeemed. That wasn't my intention. Of course they'll be redeemed. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: c2e on July 04, 2014, 02:20:19 PM Of course the dev team will have to eat the cost some way or another. Meanwhile there looks to be some major dumping going on in the AE, several stakes sold pushing the price down to 25k nxt.
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 03:00:09 PM Of course the dev team will have to eat the cost some way or another. Meanwhile there looks to be some major dumping going on in the AE, several stakes sold pushing the price down to 25k nxt. Not the dev team but me. I don't know how but it will be compensated one way or another. No stakeholder or NEM itself will loose anything. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: Benjig on July 04, 2014, 03:07:35 PM You should posts this in alternate cripto currencies, it will be more people there familiar with nxt
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 04, 2014, 03:23:19 PM Of course the dev team will have to eat the cost some way or another. Meanwhile there looks to be some major dumping going on in the AE, several stakes sold pushing the price down to 25k nxt. Not the dev team but me. I don't know how but it will be compensated one way or another. No stakeholder or NEM itself will loose anything. I am sorry to hear about the scam. You should get a big compensation package for all the works since the beginning. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 03:23:59 PM Of course the dev team will have to eat the cost some way or another. Meanwhile there looks to be some major dumping going on in the AE, several stakes sold pushing the price down to 25k nxt. Not the dev team but me. I don't know how but it will be compensated one way or another. No stakeholder or NEM itself will loose anything. I am sorry to hear about the scam. You should get a big compensation package for all the works. What happened ? UPDATE: NXT-5SPQ-5AVB-PV6D-F6EJL Don't by from there. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 04, 2014, 03:33:26 PM Of course the dev team will have to eat the cost some way or another. Meanwhile there looks to be some major dumping going on in the AE, several stakes sold pushing the price down to 25k nxt. Not the dev team but me. I don't know how but it will be compensated one way or another. No stakeholder or NEM itself will loose anything. I am sorry to hear about the scam. You should get a big compensation package for all the works. What happened ? UPDATE: NXT-5SPQ-5AVB-PV6D-F6EJL Don't by from there. It is unfortunately impossible given that the price matching is automatic. Unless the whole buy-order book is cleaned out, the scammer can still sell down. These stakes are considered gone since the scammers are watching this thread and it is certain that they are going to sell down instead of waiting for a conversion. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 03:35:44 PM Of course the dev team will have to eat the cost some way or another. Meanwhile there looks to be some major dumping going on in the AE, several stakes sold pushing the price down to 25k nxt. Not the dev team but me. I don't know how but it will be compensated one way or another. No stakeholder or NEM itself will loose anything. I am sorry to hear about the scam. You should get a big compensation package for all the works. What happened ? UPDATE: NXT-5SPQ-5AVB-PV6D-F6EJL Don't by from there. It is unfortunately impossible given that the price matching is automatic. Unless the whole buy-order book is cleaned out, the scammer can still sell down. These stakes are considered gone since the scammers are watching this thread and it is certain that they are going to sell down instead of waiting for a conversion. You're right of course. Didn't realize that it's an automated process. The purpose was more about being transparent about it. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: fragout on July 04, 2014, 03:54:43 PM Unlucky Pat. An easy but costly mistake. You were kinda thrown into the assets management job after UP left, so I dont think many would object if a few stakes less were in the auction. I also think the dev team should buy back the lost stakes from the AE from ipo funds to correct the market. They can then include these stakes in the auction to make up the differance.
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: gimre on July 04, 2014, 04:02:13 PM Unlucky Pat. An easy but costly mistake. You were kinda thrown into the assets management job after UP left, so I dont think many would object if a few stakes less were in the auction. I also think the dev team should buy back the lost stakes from the AE from ipo funds to correct the market. They can then include these stakes in the auction to make up the differance. there is no way to do it (due to automatic matching). Basically these stakes are cheated. If their holder is smart, he'll sell them (if he hasn't already). And buyers will be treated as normal stakeholders If they won't be sold, we're not gonna redeem them. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: nembit86 on July 04, 2014, 04:05:16 PM Unlucky Pat. An easy but costly mistake. You were kinda thrown into the assets management job after UP left, so I dont think many would object if a few stakes less were in the auction. I also think the dev team should buy back the lost stakes from the AE from ipo funds to correct the market. They can then include these stakes in the auction to make up the differance. Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: c2e on July 04, 2014, 04:07:09 PM I also think the dev team should buy back the lost stakes from the AE from ipo funds to correct the market. They can then include these stakes in the auction to make up the differance. +1 Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: walkingstiff on July 04, 2014, 04:21:56 PM Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Actually I noticed it last night.. if you read a page back on the token request thread you'll see. I posted this and sent it to pat: I just noticed the name "walkingstif" on the token issuance request spreadsheet at the bottom, but I have never requested a token? My name isn't even spelled correctly. Has to be a mistake, can you fix please. Update: It looks like somebody created the account "walkingstif" and claimed a stake with the imposter account? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: nembit86 on July 04, 2014, 04:28:04 PM Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Actually I noticed it last night.. if you read a page back on the token request thread you'll see. I posted this and sent it to pat: I just noticed the name "walkingstif" on the token issuance request spreadsheet at the bottom, but I have never requested a token? My name isn't even spelled correctly. Has to be a mistake, can you fix please. Update: It looks like somebody created the account "walkingstif" and claimed a stake with the imposter account? Oh I'm sorry, I didnt know. Well done to you then.....you have to have eyes in the back of your head these days it seems.. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 04, 2014, 04:29:02 PM Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Actually I noticed it last night.. if you read a page back on the token request thread you'll see. I posted this and sent it to pat: I just noticed the name "walkingstif" on the token issuance request spreadsheet at the bottom, but I have never requested a token? My name isn't even spelled correctly. Has to be a mistake, can you fix please. Update: It looks like somebody created the account "walkingstif" and claimed a stake with the imposter account? That's fortunate that you noticed the issue. The scam could go on longer otherwise. I suggest to have more than one pair of eyes to look after the stakeholder list. Pat will be the one who can modify the sheet but it will be a good idea to have a couple of other people to watch the sheet consistently for something funny. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 04:30:07 PM Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Actually I noticed it last night.. if you read a page back on the token request thread you'll see. I posted this and sent it to pat: I just noticed the name "walkingstif" on the token issuance request spreadsheet at the bottom, but I have never requested a token? My name isn't even spelled correctly. Has to be a mistake, can you fix please. Update: It looks like somebody created the account "walkingstif" and claimed a stake with the imposter account? You are the reason I took a closer look at all the assets I've issued. Thanks to you sir :) ! Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 04:31:19 PM Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Actually I noticed it last night.. if you read a page back on the token request thread you'll see. I posted this and sent it to pat: I just noticed the name "walkingstif" on the token issuance request spreadsheet at the bottom, but I have never requested a token? My name isn't even spelled correctly. Has to be a mistake, can you fix please. Update: It looks like somebody created the account "walkingstif" and claimed a stake with the imposter account? That's fortunate that you noticed the issue. The scam could go on longer otherwise. I suggest to have more than one pair of eyes to look after the stakeholder list. Pat will be the one who can modify the sheet but it will be a good idea to have a couple of other people to watch the sheet consistently for something funny. Such a system is being worked out right now. That's why we are temp issueing no stakes. We want to make sure something like this can not happen again. NEM people have made mistakes in the past but one thing you can not say about us is that we do not take consequences :) Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 04, 2014, 04:32:25 PM Just auction 6 less stakes. That way noone loses out. It was a clever scam Pat....you did well to notice it. Actually I noticed it last night.. if you read a page back on the token request thread you'll see. I posted this and sent it to pat: I just noticed the name "walkingstif" on the token issuance request spreadsheet at the bottom, but I have never requested a token? My name isn't even spelled correctly. Has to be a mistake, can you fix please. Update: It looks like somebody created the account "walkingstif" and claimed a stake with the imposter account? That's fortunate that you noticed the issue. The scam could go on longer otherwise. I suggest to have more than one pair of eyes to look after the stakeholder list. Pat will be the one who can modify the sheet but it will be a good idea to have a couple of other people to watch the sheet consistently for something funny. Such a system is being worked out right now. That's why we are temp issueing no stakes. We want to make sure something like this can not happen again. NEM people have made mistakes in the past but one thing you can not say about us is that we do not take consequences :) +1 Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: Winslow Strong on July 04, 2014, 06:11:53 PM DO NOT BUY NEMStake from the NXT AE. You might want to change this first line of your first post. It's not a temporary situation, but one that can't be undone. You can't request that all trading of NEMStake stop (for how long?) on account of this. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: walkingstiff on July 04, 2014, 06:21:14 PM How long will token issuing be halted?
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: mr smith on July 04, 2014, 06:48:18 PM ARGpentem your good with stuff like this car'nt you do a query d/b script.
Pat these things happen > money attracts thieves If you want a couple of extra dudes to cross check count me in :) Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 04, 2014, 06:50:45 PM How long will token issuing be halted? Unsure. We just want to make sure nothgin like this will happpen again. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: mrvegad on July 05, 2014, 01:11:10 AM bumped to keep on first page so people can see
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: awais3344 on July 05, 2014, 07:48:54 AM poor thing :-\ I was to receive my nemtoken today.
Is there any estimate on when will be resuming nemtoken distribution to stakeholders? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: From Above on July 05, 2014, 08:04:55 AM Wtf pet master are u stupid?
~CfA~ Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: LeChatNoir on July 05, 2014, 08:12:37 AM R.I.P. NEM
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: rockethead on July 05, 2014, 09:28:04 AM Wtf pet master are u stupid? ~CfA~ It is easy to say if you talk from above. Careless he may have been, but stupid is an insult. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 09:54:19 AM Wtf pet master are u stupid? ~CfA~ It is easy to say if you talk from above. Careless he may have been, but stupid is an insult. I appreciate you stepping up but I wasn't careless either. I care - a lot. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: NASdaq on July 05, 2014, 10:27:10 AM So sorry to hear of this scam, NEM is a very honest team so you will recover. A good warning to all people in crypto land - beware of criminals!!
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: tonyk on July 05, 2014, 01:46:38 PM I do not really understand the point of this topic: 1. It for sure will not be read by everybody. 2. When I place a buy order, I do not know who will be the eventual seller. It is sad that somebody did that, but I do not know what the community can do about it, except collect money to buy 6 stakes. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: feina24h on July 05, 2014, 01:49:29 PM everyone make mistakes, Dev team should donate 6 stakes to you and lests move on ;D
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 01:49:47 PM I do not really understand the point of this topic: 1. It for sure will not be read by everybody. 2. When I place a buy order, I do not know who will be the eventual seller. It is sad that somebody did that, but I do not know what the community can do about it, except collect money to buy 6 stakes. The point was to be transparent about it. Keeping mistakes secret has fucked us one time - won't happen again. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: tonyk on July 05, 2014, 01:58:39 PM I do not really understand the point of this topic: 1. It for sure will not be read by everybody. 2. When I place a buy order, I do not know who will be the eventual seller. It is sad that somebody did that, but I do not know what the community can do about it, except collect money to buy 6 stakes. The point was to be transparent about it. Keeping mistakes secret has fucked us one time - won't happen again. If this is the purpose please consider renaming the thread appropriately: ‘Be Aware 6 NEM stakes were scammed from me/us.’ Not ‘DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!!’ 2c Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 02:24:09 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people.
Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: From Above on July 05, 2014, 02:50:50 PM Wtf pet master are u stupid? ~CfA~ It is easy to say if you talk from above. Careless he may have been, but stupid is an insult. u r utterly wrong. he was stupid and he know it. dont have to lie dude problem is now NEM is even more destroyed, no fairness, no egalitarian.Free Stakes for Scammers? NEM! >:( ~CfA~ Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: Chris001 on July 05, 2014, 03:46:38 PM Wtf pet master are u stupid? ~CfA~ It is easy to say if you talk from above. Careless he may have been, but stupid is an insult. u r utterly wrong. he was stupid and he know it. dont have to lie dude problem is now NEM is even more destroyed, no fairness, no egalitarian.Free Stakes for Scammers? NEM! >:( ~CfA~ Oh, cool CFA, you are in buy mode right now, I am too, looks like youll be running around putting a scare into everybody till my buy order gets filled. ::) Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: From Above on July 05, 2014, 03:49:18 PM Oh, cool CFA, you are in buy mode right now, I am too, looks like youll be running around putting a scare into everybody till my buy order gets filled. ::) sry Chris, im angry cuz i bought my additional stakes and i dont really like if some suckers get it 4 free because pet master is too stupid to properly issue dem stakes.... its unfair and not acceptable ~CfA~ Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: Chris001 on July 05, 2014, 03:52:20 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 03:59:42 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: Chris001 on July 05, 2014, 04:05:50 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. Im talking about issuing tokens. You are right, it shouldn't be taken down. I shouldn't have said that. Leave it up, but let those who want their tokens get them is all i'm saying. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: rockethead on July 05, 2014, 04:06:10 PM Wtf pet master are u stupid? ~CfA~ It is easy to say if you talk from above. Careless he may have been, but stupid is an insult. u r utterly wrong. he was stupid and he know it. dont have to lie dude problem is now NEM is even more destroyed, no fairness, no egalitarian.Free Stakes for Scammers? NEM! >:( ~CfA~ oops. This is a germ I am talking to. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 04:08:27 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. Im talking about issuing tokens. You are right, it shouldn't be taken down. I shouldn't have said that. Leave it up, but let those who want their tokens get them is all i'm saying. The plan is to resume issueing tokens as soon as we've worked out the detailes of how it'll work in the future to avoid such mistakes. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 05:09:06 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. It is incorrect. As long as the list is open, the discrepancy will come out. Matching the toke issuance list with the final list is not a rocket science. I keep a copy of the whole stake list and I am probably not the only one doing so. From a stakeholder POV, each account = 1 stake and the total number are written down so in the end things have to add up. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 05:11:07 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. It is incorrect. As long as the list is open, the discrepancy will come out. Matching the toke issuance list with the final list is not a rocket science. I keep a copy of the whole stake list and I am probably not the only one doing so. From a stakeholder POV, each account = 1 stake and the total number are written down so in the end things have to add up. What would have stoped me from changing the names so there was no discrepancy ? It would have been easy to cover up. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 05:18:13 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. It is incorrect. As long as the list is open, the discrepancy will come out. Matching the toke issuance list with the final list is not a rocket science. I keep a copy of the whole stake list and I am probably not the only one doing so. From a stakeholder POV, each account = 1 stake and the total number are written down so in the end things have to add up. What would have stoped me from changing the names so there was no discrepancy ? It would have been easy to cover up. I keep a copy * and probably many others. It is a distributed blockchain concept so that we can all agree on a shared ledger. If there is a discrepancy and doubt, we can go back to the funding threads and look for the account's post to confirm the account's validity. In fact, I would recommend NEM team doing a full stakeholder list validation given all the changes and mistakes have been made. It could take sometimes but the method is clear and non refutable. * My copy is about 2 weeks old when I was first active here but someone could have even an older copy. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. It is incorrect. As long as the list is open, the discrepancy will come out. Matching the toke issuance list with the final list is not a rocket science. I keep a copy of the whole stake list and I am probably not the only one doing so. From a stakeholder POV, each account = 1 stake and the total number are written down so in the end things have to add up. What would have stoped me from changing the names so there was no discrepancy ? It would have been easy to cover up. I keep a copy * and probably many others. It is a distributed blockchain concept so that we can all agree on a shared ledger. If there is a discrepancy and doubt, we can go back to the funding threads and look for the account's post to confirm the account's validity. In fact, I would recommend NEM team doing a full stakeholder list validation given all the changes and mistakes have been made. It could take sometimes but the method is clear and non refutable. * My copy is about 2 weeks old when I was first active here but someone could have even an older copy. that 2 week old copy would have been worthless as the token issuance list was updated daily. We did audit all tokens that we're issued. The entire list was audited once already. During that process about 300 people were removed. Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: gimre on July 05, 2014, 05:31:43 PM there is one more good reason to keep it public.
I think someone in community will sooner or later start investingating, who might be the scammer. Also in case of NXT, it is not impossible, to actually nail down to IP, who the scammer is. He's keeping almost all tokens here: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=15654939027836101302&switch=5 Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: evergrow on July 05, 2014, 05:42:38 PM there is one more good reason to keep it public. I think someone in community will sooner or later start investingating, who might be the scammer. Also in case of NXT, it is not impossible, to actually nail down to IP, who the scammer is. He's keeping almost all tokens here: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=15654939027836101302&switch=5 gimre how can you find the IP address and how will that help? as far as I understand patmast3r made the mistake so unfortunately there's not really a crime?! >:( fuck the scammer. that's like 140000 NXT he scammed if converted :o Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 05:47:14 PM This should be closed because the title is misleading. Make a note in the token issuance book if needed but "do not buy" thread does not do anything except to confuse people. Pat take this stuff down. This stuff happens all the time. I feel bad it happened to you. You are a great asset to the NEM community, but there is no point to this and nothing should be halted. You want to make sure nothing like this happens again? Well, I would imagine it won't. What other scams are out there? Countless!! But we can't let the scammers stop the show. That is much more costly than 6 stakes!!! I think you can't delete threads here but even if I could I wouldn't. If we have learned anything from UPs mistake it's that we have to be transparent about stuff like this. That's exactly what I'm doing. We could have kept this a secret. Noone would have known, Noone could have known. The fact that we were open about this should actually build up trust instead of hurting it. This won't stop anything. Don't be absurd :) It's a few stakes out of 3000 - worse things have happend. And just ignore CfA. He's some moron desperate for attention. He's the worst kind of a btt user and the entire forum knows it. It is incorrect. As long as the list is open, the discrepancy will come out. Matching the toke issuance list with the final list is not a rocket science. I keep a copy of the whole stake list and I am probably not the only one doing so. From a stakeholder POV, each account = 1 stake and the total number are written down so in the end things have to add up. What would have stoped me from changing the names so there was no discrepancy ? It would have been easy to cover up. I keep a copy * and probably many others. It is a distributed blockchain concept so that we can all agree on a shared ledger. If there is a discrepancy and doubt, we can go back to the funding threads and look for the account's post to confirm the account's validity. In fact, I would recommend NEM team doing a full stakeholder list validation given all the changes and mistakes have been made. It could take sometimes but the method is clear and non refutable. * My copy is about 2 weeks old when I was first active here but someone could have even an older copy. that 2 week old copy would have been worthless as the token issuance list was updated daily. We did audit all tokens that we're issued. The entire list was audited once already. During that process about 300 people were removed. The token list has to match the full list so the full list is important not the token list. Not worthless at all since the full list is not supposed to be changed. The full list could be validated at the sources as I said but if there are enough copies of the list around that are identical, that could be good enough. I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: gimre on July 05, 2014, 05:52:51 PM I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? edit ok, I've misread, whatever account is eligible or not is actually checked before issuing token (i.e. if it's on the list (obviously), if it hasn't been banned) Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 05:58:43 PM I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? edit ok, I've misread, whatever account is eligible or not is actually checked before issuing token (i.e. if it's on the list (obviously), if it hasn't been banned) What about accounts not requesting tokens ? Are you sure that UF did not add 100 accounts into the list before he resigned ? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: gimre on July 05, 2014, 06:00:33 PM I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? edit ok, I've misread, whatever account is eligible or not is actually checked before issuing token (i.e. if it's on the list (obviously), if it hasn't been banned) What about accounts not requesting tokens ? Are you sure that UF did not add 100 accounts into the list before he resigned ? Quote You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? ...including analysis of threads and transactions... ARGpentem ... how long are you with us, it's been pretty loud back when it was done? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: patmast3r on July 05, 2014, 06:00:53 PM I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? edit ok, I've misread, whatever account is eligible or not is actually checked before issuing token (i.e. if it's on the list (obviously), if it hasn't been banned) What about accounts not requesting tokens ? Are you sure that UF did not add 100 accounts into the list before he resigned ? Are you sure the NSA didn't add 800 accounts ? Let's try not to make up complete crap shall we ? Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 06:05:26 PM I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? edit ok, I've misread, whatever account is eligible or not is actually checked before issuing token (i.e. if it's on the list (obviously), if it hasn't been banned) What about accounts not requesting tokens ? Are you sure that UF did not add 100 accounts into the list before he resigned ? Are you sure the NSA didn't add 800 accounts ? Let's try not to make up complete crap shall we ? I am not sure. That's why full account validation is good and should be done. Public record should have a source which can be used as a reference. It is just standard way of record keeping. Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: josephliton on July 05, 2014, 06:05:37 PM Some ass has manged to scam assets out of me. NO STAKES ARE LOST ! Everyone on the list will get they're stakes and everyone who has bought a stake on the AE will (apart from the scammer obviously) Following accounts have scammed assets: NXT-XR2N-5SS3-X9BZ-H8BN8 NXT-8SCQ-9S3Q-JP2T-DM6Q5 NXT-8YZK-DV4T-4R3K-5BU5L NXT-ZHUA-3R7B-G74V-AG5VV NXT-29UX-LJCV-YAGJ-FZWV9 NXT-W7SY-5SMN-L7QE-E7CLA So a total of 6 assets have been scammed out of me. Since almost 600 were issued I think we can safely say worse things have happend. Very unfortunate news. Title: Re: DO NOT BUY NEMSTAKE FROM THESE ADDRESSES!!!! Post by: ARGpentem on July 05, 2014, 06:17:10 PM I suggest doing a full account validation if there aren't enough independent copies around (3 is a minimum). The auditing was for taint analysis as I read, account validation is for a different purpose: making sure all accounts in the list are qualified. I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? edit ok, I've misread, whatever account is eligible or not is actually checked before issuing token (i.e. if it's on the list (obviously), if it hasn't been banned) What about accounts not requesting tokens ? Are you sure that UF did not add 100 accounts into the list before he resigned ? Quote You are aware, that there was already taint analysis done, before final stakeholders list was published, right? ...including analysis of threads and transactions... ARGpentem ... how long are you with us, it's been pretty loud back when it was done? How many independent copies of the list do you have ? Let's say the taint analysis was good and perfect at that point. Then you had a list. But that list could be changed, couldn't it? Do you keep a copy of the list yourself ? Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: inkadnb on July 10, 2014, 05:55:53 AM So... are we not to buy stakes from NEMstake? I missed the boat being a stakeholder.
If so, are we supposed to cross-reference from the list? Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: crackerhead on July 10, 2014, 06:14:18 AM So... are we not to buy stakes from NEMstake? I missed the boat being a stakeholder. If so, are we supposed to cross-reference from the list? You can still but NEMstakes, what happened with the stolen stakes will not affect NEMstake holders. Edit: Sorry I am not sure what you meant by the second part. Once you buy a NEMstake you just redeem it after NEMs official launch, you won't need to be on the stakeholder list if you bought off of AE. Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: inkadnb on July 10, 2014, 06:21:53 AM So... are we not to buy stakes from NEMstake? I missed the boat being a stakeholder. If so, are we supposed to cross-reference from the list? You can still but NEMstakes, what happened with the stolen stakes will not affect NEMstake holders. Edit: Sorry I am not sure what you meant by the second part. Once you buy a NEMstake you just redeem it after NEMs official launch, you won't need to be on the stakeholder list if you bought off of AE. Cool, and what about the NEM Stake Auction? Any news on that? The main thread was impossible to sift through for more details. I'm referring to this (http://www.reddit.com/r/nem/comments/25zcgx/nem_stake_auction_details_a_chance_to_obtain_a/) btw. Thanks again Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: patmast3r on July 10, 2014, 08:05:52 AM So... are we not to buy stakes from NEMstake? I missed the boat being a stakeholder. If so, are we supposed to cross-reference from the list? You can still but NEMstakes, what happened with the stolen stakes will not affect NEMstake holders. Edit: Sorry I am not sure what you meant by the second part. Once you buy a NEMstake you just redeem it after NEMs official launch, you won't need to be on the stakeholder list if you bought off of AE. Cool, and what about the NEM Stake Auction? Any news on that? The main thread was impossible to sift through for more details. I'm referring to this (http://www.reddit.com/r/nem/comments/25zcgx/nem_stake_auction_details_a_chance_to_obtain_a/) btw. Thanks again Sorry, no updates on that other than that it is still planned to happen. Title: Re: NEMStake unrightfully claimed - Full disclosure Post by: sdersdf2 on July 11, 2014, 11:44:31 AM Just getting caught up - besides the 6-stake sock puppet issue, which seems to be minor, or at least to have passed - why is the price going down? Is there anything else depressing it, or was that it?
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