Bitcoin Forum

We will be picking the first 15 people to participate.

Our rates (which we reserve to change at anytime due to the rising or falling of bitcoin prices)...

Hero Member - 0.0012BTC Per constructive post
Senior Member - 0.001BTC Per constructive post
Full Member - 0.0006BTC Per constructive post
Member - 0.0004BTC per constructive post
Jr. Member - Not allowed

Payments and limits are for per week.

A constructive post means...

It is not trolling, spam, agreement, or anything we deemed not constructive. These post also must be in the english language, so we can understand them and make sure they are constructive. It should add substance to the thread and be on topic. At anytime you can PM us and ask if the post is constructive or not after it has been posted.

We are limiting this to 50 constructive post, with a 25 constructive post minimum.

This is a pilot campaign so we are not sure if we will be continuing after this month, this maybe a 1 month thing we will update if we do.

How do you sign up, very easily, you add our url to your signature like so... (it must be the only url in signature and first!)
You can also design your own, and we encourage that! Maybe a bonus for the best design signature? You do have to edit the url to make sure it includes your bitcoin talk username, like in the example, failure to do so will result in no payments. After you add that to your signature, post it here with your payout bitcoin address and we will accept or deny. If you are accepted get start making your post!

Users Participating:

• Nobitcoin
• micaman
• bitcoininformation
• armin22
• forever21
• validium
• bitbaby
• leewhat
• damiano
• Swordsoffreedom
• coinits
• tee-rex
• BitCoinDream

Next Payment Date: July 24, 2014

Will you pay upfront? (at least 50%)
I'm not going to give free advertising like with UpDown.

Willing to escrow your signature campaign payment?
1 month is long period for new campaign, and with many mess situation here in signature campaign world, only few people will join new campaign without escrow
and your rate seem same with PD rate (which PD has higher limit and more reputation), so i bet only few users interested with your campaign
For your reference : Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0)
maybe you can make campaign for monthly payment, not pay per post since your limit is too low i think
good luck

For the same rate as PD but a lower cap, I think people would just choose PD.

You have the same rate as PD unless you have anything special or else people will just stay with PD .

1. Your rates match PD, the lowest paid one.

2. You pay for 50 posts at most in a month, whereas PD pays for 400.

3. Your campaign is new and 1 month long. You need to either escrow or take it down to 1 week.

Given the recent experiences with Updown and XBTec, I agree with most people here asking either for escrow or shorter payment periods. In relation to payment, and the low rates, perhaps you could make the campaign more attractive by offering some sort of referral bonus for participants.

I am sorry updown didn't pay you, but we can't pay upfront for something that is first in beta, and second what if we pay you upfront, and you don't meet a requirement, then we lose our money. Paying upfront is more risk to us. So sorry, but if you are afraid we are not going to pay, just keep watching the thread, we are going to pay!



Thank you, this is a beta campaign as we want to prove that we are willing to pay, and to see how this works for our site. We are not going to escrow unfortunately, as this is a small sample to see where it goes. These limits will probably be lift or the campaign will be cancelled depending on where this campaign goes.



This is a beta test, we plan on raising the limits after we see how this campaign performs for the site. If people are happy with PD, then great! This is just another option for another site :) Hopefully people want to see healthy competition in the gambling marketing.



We will consider this all this!


We are working also on an affiliated payment system for our site, but we want to test this before committing to more post and more users. We understand that people are hesitant to join us and we are going to get one of our investors to speak in this thread. :)

They will pay, I know the people behind this site, and if they don't pay you, come to me and I will pay out any debt for them :)

Anymore questions about payments? I think not....


*Investor in the site, not owner, or runner*

I would love to do the escrow part if OP wants me to, but I doubt it's needed if gweedo pays any debt for them.

Thank you!!! Hopefully this clears up problems with people thinking we are out to scam people.

So who wants to be first one to join our beta campaign!



I don't think we need escrow! Thanks for you for the offer! He is a great investor and mentor to our small team!

FastBluff, I would sign up, but I am currently trying to help out people in the UpDown.BT signature campaign that didn't get paid. Would it be a problem if I kept it and just added yours on the first line?

I didn't sprint to this campaign to offer my escrow services. Someone tipped me about this campaign and said that I should ask FastBluff if I could get an escrow deal with them (to avoid the UpDown.BT disaster):

The last escrow deal that I did went well, even though there were some hiccups on XBTec's side. I gave him 2-3 days to fix the problem, else I would have send out the BTC that I had in escrow to his campaign members. But he paid everyone and responded to the problems at hand. After that I asked everyone in the campaign if they got paid and if there were any problems left:

There were none, so I send it back.The escrow agreement can be found in that topic or I could paste it here, if someone wants me to do so.

We can do it as long as it on top of the updown.bt signature and since you been around here for a bit.


Please don't bring personal issues that have nothing to do with this campaign to this thread.

Thank you :)

Thank you very much. Then I shall be your first campaign member ;) Adding the signature now.

Post count: 4244 (excluding this post)
Bitcoin address: 1MwX49dtLdMckRXtkTYi2BCbcmgLp5rf2r (http://blockchain.info/address/1MwX49dtLdMckRXtkTYi2BCbcmgLp5rf2r)

Thank you, also can you change in the url in your signature to https://fastbluff.com?utm_source=bitcoininformation, this will help us track who is coming from who!

It's not clear to me whether the 25min/50max posts are per-week or per month.

There you go! Totally forgot to do that, sorry. One last question, are payments weekly or monthly?

Per month.


They will be monthly, we can work out a weekly payment for the first week, if you want just to prove we are not scammers, since you have a lot of high quality post.

Post count: 2048 (excluding this post)
Bitcoin address:
1Mcpe26uh5yMPr8DH917XWrEjQRSEXLcyA

Thank you just change the signature url to https://fastbluff.com?utm_source=echoes so we can track stuff better.

Thank you! I post because I want to, not because I the "need" the Bitcoins. I see it as a tip for the posts I make, not as work (as some people see it).

Anyway, doing one payment after a week is highly recommended if you ask me. It gives people the confidence to join this campaign, since a lot of people don't know gweedo. Extra confidence and trust in a campaign is always good, don't you think?

Ok we can do a weekly payment.

Ok.


For all?

Yes for all, so don't worry you are already included. It would only be fair.

10 points for doing that. It might be smart to update the OP to reflect this change. ;)

Well, as gweedo is standing behind u, no more Q about escrow. But, u need to re-consider your rates... either allow people to post more than 400 per month or offer them more per post.

Thank you, and yes have just done this.

We just changed it to weekly. We have low limits so again we can test the waters and make smart decisions, I would think people would be happy about the lower limits as we are exploring this option.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I think I'm not going to join at this time.   The offer doesn't seem so attractive given that it's the same rates as primedice but a much much lower limit.  As far as I can tell, I may as well join primedice and get paid for many more posts per month.


EDIT: just saw the update.  I'm going to go ahead and add you then.


Starting post count: 166
Payment address: 18z6fGQBEKwohaK66rtcnAKi817bFbwkWU


Can you go ahead and confirm some details about the payment scheme.  The first paydate?  The start/end dates of the first term?  If you want us to PM a post count change, or if you plan on doing it yourself?  etc?  From my experience with xbtec I learned that it's important to clarify all this stuff up front in order to avoid delays, confusion, etc.

Can you just change the url to https://fastbluff.com?utm_source=sed thank you.

The first pay date for everyone that registered today will be July 17, 2014 at 12pm PST time. We will verify them that day and pm everyone our count. If you have an issue with our count, we will give you time to dispute it. We will then send the payment in one transaction to everyone and post here. Where we will want people to confirm they did get paid, at least for the first couple of payments.

We will also tell you if we are going to continue with the campaign after the 4th payment.

That is an excellent way of handling the payments. So another 10 points for you guys. My confidence in this campaigns grows by the minute. ;D

By the way, all posts that I made in this thread can be ignored. They shouldn't count towards my total post count.

Thank you! We will giving out bonus for the first people that registered since they took our leap of faith.

I would like to have a try！ 
Name:kaiy
Current post: 72
Activity:70 Member
Bitcoin Address:1GcxtxKNqKLDLWdtsXMi7osgEyBW8sHMJL

Thank you, just change the url to https://fastbluff.com/?utm_source=kaiy just for easier tracking for our records.

joining up!
Current post: 148
Activity:70 Member
Bitcoin Address:1KXTiRuATvuuF1agXP3e8QyDxNA5GMWmyx

Hope sucess to your campaign.
All these problems with payments and signature campaigns closing are making me feel sad :(

I have changed my URL
Current post: 74

Thank you! We accepted you.



Thank you, we hope to restore faith in these campaigns. We have taken every standard practice to make sure their is little to no risk from us to the user, and users to us. Hence why we put strict limits on post, amount users we are accepting and letting everyone know right from the beginning that we are committed for the next month but we don't know if this will go beyond that.

We want people to feel safe and at easy when interacting with any part of our site, from the actual site, to any extension of our site, like this campaign.


Thank you!

Great!

1) I went ahead and changed the url as you requested.

PS: Maybe you should put that in the OP (or did I miss it?).  "Please replace "?utm_source=fastbluff" with "?utm_source=YOURFORUMUSERNAME" where YOURFORUMUSERNAME is your bitcointalk username.

2) Thanks for clarifying the payment conditions up-front.  I think that's really important!

3) Looking forward to the early-adopter bonus :)

1) We went ahead and highlighted for other users.

2) No problem if any thing else isn't clear let us know!

3) Good! :)

Thanks for highlighting the username/in url requirements in the OP.  It looks like most of us had missed it (skimming what we assumed we already knew). :)

so i can modify the signature as long it keep the original one...?
max post per month is 200 , am i correct ?
Other signature allowed ?

This is interesting but i still have to wait  :(

You can modify the design, as long as it has the FastBluff name, 1% house edge and instant payout with a link to the site with ?utm_source with your username.

Yes 200 a month, it is 50 max post a week, and 20 min post a week or 80 min post a month. This may change in the future, as this very much a beta to feel out how this is working and going.

No other signatures are allowed, unless you check with us, like bitcoininformation did (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684966.msg7774721#msg7774721). We aren't strict but we would like to be the only paid signature in your signature box.

50 posts per week? Or per month?

Answered in the psot post right abover yours

Per week.

Ah that's not so bad I guess. Can you save me a spot until Primedice pays out in less than a week?

I will let you even if all the spots fill up, just save reference to this part of the thread and pm me in a week.

Alright, although I might be gone on vaca (at least I hope to xD)

I'll save this right away, I love the site.

Looks like an interesting campaign esp given weekly payouts
Will keep an eye on you guys and see if it makes sense to transition to your campaign

Yeah whenever you get a chance. And thank you!


Of course it make sense to transition to our campaign :)

can I reserve a spot to join once i got member :P

OK so, since bitcoininformation joined I feel a bit better about joining it, since he rates all those ads.
But a few informations before I even try to join it:
You are going to pay monthly, but requires a minimum 25 posts per week?

Glad to heard that ;D
He pays out every month, but the first payment will be weekly. All minimums are per week, so even if he pays per month, the weekly maximum amount of constructive posts is 50 (so 200 per month) and the minimum is 20 posts per week (so 80 per month).  They are currently testing out the campaign, so rates/maximum posts can increase if they decide to continue after this first month.

I do find their way of paying people in the campaign really good:

to be honest, this sort of advertising only works good for long term campaign advertising, if you do a short with small limits, your not going to see any fast results.  It goes the same with all forms of advertising.  Your wasting time I tell you if your doing this short term and limit the amount of posts like this.

They are just testing the water. Rates and limits can be increased after the first month (or they cancel the campaign).

Well, since I already lost a day and I'm not realy that active on the forum I'll pass and wait the monthly payout.
I would probably be between 12~18 posts on 17 July.

Sadly no.
Weekly payouts.


We are testing to see a couple of facets. We aren't looking for fast results, but we are looking for some type of results. We are also using this to build a bit of trust in the community. Also our competitors are doing it so we have to look at it and crunch the numbers.


Ok maybe next round we can get you in ;)

Nope :(

1 month only 50 posts? Cmon!

Did you read the original post? We are doing 50 post per week, and the OP has clearly stated this.

Thank you.

better go with PD  ::) ::)

Can you please not spam PD. It is inappropriate and has no place in this thread.

Thank you.

Please allow me to join this activity
Name:   DDBEK
Posts:   100
Activity:   70
Position:   Member
Bitcoin address: 1HpiqPLCmsF1LPAYtrkrMuyLZsoaBUqJm5

Ok we added you, just so we are transparent you have to have minimum 20 post by Thursday July 17,2014 that is when the new round starts, if you want to wait until then just let me know otherwise don't worry about it.

thank you，
from now on ;
20 Constructive posts only. ;)

Ok good!

To0 many post at local thread !
This is a bad way to promoting the signature if you're just roaming into local thread

Can you clarify what you are trying to say, I don't understand you.

he said that DDBEK user makes too many posts in local thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334922;sa=showPosts
as you see there, he only make post in Chinese forum (local)

Well obviously if we can't read the post, it can't considered constructive as we can't tell if it is constructive or not. So only english post can be counted.

It might be a good idea to include that in the OP then; a lot of the other campaigns make no such restrictions and people won't be expecting it. After all, a post can be constructive regardless of whether or not you understand it (provided other local users do, of course). ;)

We did include it, hence why we said anything we deemed not constructive, this would fall under that.

And how exactly are people supposed to know if you speak Chinese, Italian, French, or any other language they might want to use? You can of course restrict the term "constructive post" to mean a post made exclusively in English (or any other definition you'd like), but people won't be able to guess so unless you tell them.

Ok it has been added to the OP.

Name: Nobitcoin
Posts: 930
Activity: 182
Position:   Full Member
Bitcoin address: 1NYaBPmrUjGZ5WA7iiPkDGcd7EBZKNTECW

Any more places? Just got scammed by my previous.

Yes, but tomorrow (July 17) is the new round so you can wait until then otherwise you are not getting paid for this time, unless you make 20 constructive for tomorrow. It is up to you really.

Also edit your signature url to be https://fastbluff.com/?utm_source=Nobitcoin and you are missing a [ on the front of the signature.

Can I reserve a spot? My sig campaign will be ending on 21st Jul and that is when I'll join here?

when will be the next payment if I join on 21st?

Thanks I will try to post upto or over 20 posts

Sorry but you have to post 20 or over 20 constructive post.

If you join July 21 you will be in the middle of the 2nd round. Which will conclude on July 24 giving you 3 days to make the 20 required post to be paid.

Gr8, I'll join this on 21st and complete the minimum requirement of the posting for the cycle.

Thanks

Ok no problem.

Can I join

Name:   hamza171
Posts:   175
Activity:   140
Position:   Full Member
Bitcoin address: 14JQZdh1JGJ6FnEvTXcGUYTc6wQVpYH4BZ

Sorry you can't, you have a negative trust rating.

Seems I'm interested.
Sorry for asking. But, I couldn't find if another signature allowed or not.
could you update the rule, maybe a lot of participate who already joining another signature campaign which is that signature campaign is allowed (like mine) to use another signature, would considering about that.

Are you still open for new participants?

I guess English isn't your strong point.


There's 7 people enrolled so there's 8 places left.

No we require the full signature box.


Yes we are :)

Yes English in not my native language, so that's why I'm asking if you don't mind.
But if you mean by this
How do you sign up, very easily, you add our url to your signature like so... (it must be the only url in signature and first!)
Does it also will make people confused?



Oh, ok I just need clarification.

So op Payout is today right? Roughly what time?

Name: micaman
Posts: 354
Activity: 224
Position:   Full Member
Bitcoin address: 1KLrqo71UUDToKmqguQCZowxijzb189qyw

If there are any spots left, I would like to join.
Thanks

Was it updown?

This is how payouts are going to work today. I am going to individually pm each user, if they met the requirements and how much bitcoins they are going to be paid. We will also be asking if they will be going forward with us on the next round at this point, which you have to answer otherwise next week you will not be getting paid.

Everyone that met the requirement of 20 post, will be getting paid. We were extremely easy in the requirements, which means we will also be telling you what you need to improve to get paid for next week. Cause next week we will not be that easy with the requirements.

Also after getting paid, which will all be in one transaction so we can post it publicly, we ask everyone that gets their payment just leave us some trust feedback and post in this thread that you did receive it.

This will be happening around 12pm PST (maybe a little later or a little early depends when we pm you, because of the writing we have to do)

We will be accepting new members after we do payouts today.

No problem :)

We are going to start pming people right now Payment will still be sent around 12pm PST.

Nope BetTheChain op paid once only bi weekly payment campaign.

Ok we have pmed everyone we will be doing payment shortly! And we will post the transaction id here in this thread!

No Pm here op?

https://blockchain.info/tx/fa0b7155962c305f4b2087036e8dd39f2a4e0579f22c6354e7b88a19c9f6c6c7

Here payments were sent!



We will pm you again right now!

Thanks payment received  :)

Received, thank you. Leaving trust feedback now and updating my Signature Overview topic after that.
EDIT: Done. I switched to a different campaign, but that has nothing to do with FastBluff. I will be gone for at least 2 weeks and a fixed payment is easier in that case.

Thank you everyone! We are taking a break for lunch and then we will start the next round!

You have been added.

Next payout will be July 24, 2014.

I am returning, since I hate waiting to be confirmed. I hope you don't mind dude.

Post count: 4294 (excluding this post)
Bitcoin address: 1MwX49dtLdMckRXtkTYi2BCbcmgLp5rf2r (http://blockchain.info/address/1MwX49dtLdMckRXtkTYi2BCbcmgLp5rf2r)

You are accepted back in :)


Please leave a bitcoin address so we can add you the signature campaign.

Hey, pls don't give my spot to anyone pls.. I'll be joining here in 3 days.

Your spot is still here, nice and warm.

Thanks  :)

And another one signs up :D


Post count : 831 (excluding this)


BTC ADDY : 1EbfBbtqZ8VDd1sDMxrEyNcJxov6Kd5qp6

You been added!

can i use multi adventist signature for advertising you

i am planning to join this campaign when my current one is done  :)

No and you can't have a negative trust either.



Well we look forward to it :)

starting post: 473
btc addy: 16fUvxLj6B2mXuEaMjrQBpg598AJxdFVxU

kindly pls check my signature if its ok or do i need to change it?

Im so amazed at how i have made 45 posts already in 2 days  xD

I need to stop talking and get a life.

Starting post:256

Address:1FGgJoHruScXpBo85cmoUjck9pLue8EpgW

Signing up for this campaign.

Change the first link to https://fastbluff.com/?utm_source=forever21


You are accepted.

can i reserve 1 spot for me :D

There will be spots open so I wouldn't worry.

Reserve a spot for me  :)
i will get member , soon. 8)

Hi, Joining this campaign for the spot reserved earlier.

Starting Post: 517

Add: 18FfN9fqKYpNwFJsVR6mfn4KV2Jz4cDBNf

just a quick question what if i turned out to be a full member how are you going to pay me? on my old status or in my new one?

Accepted!


When the round starts, we make a note of the member status, so when you start that is how you will get paid.

Ok then, planning to join u from tomorrow... after I become a Sr. Member :)

Do I need to book a spot in advance ?

No I don't expect the spots to fill up, if I do say no due to not enough spots open, then just reference this post.

Signature added.

Post count: 1710(including this one)
Bitcoin address: 1NutqXvBSZTNCavgcC69w3VFSiqo85bhHL

Added

Thanks

Hi would like to signup/join this campaign

Starting Post count: 1963

Sr. Member

btc payout 16ukNx6E8HX18faFRhV6YB8NpoEhX6rAFT

Added.

Can i get payment early?


Starting post count : 831
Post count now : 890

59 posts

1DU3jcs9xbuVYXVWQx629NME4VcX7jfvg3

We don't do early payments.

Understood  ;D

I'll join this campaign since I believe this is a weekly

Post count:  2162
Bitcoin address: 1K1WUEbAhsR3D9GAeW5G3ALSVMkYLr68ve

You have another signature in your signature box, until that is removed we can't add you. Sorry.

Ah one second will edit it check it now ?
It should be fine now didn't think it was still visible sorry about that

Added.

Thanks while I'm at it I tried to go to my link but was stopped by siteadvisor
It may be helpful if you request a review with Mcafee
Cheers
https://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/https://fastbluff.com/?pip=false&premium=false&client_uid=1937163932&client_ver=3.7.1.110&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=false&aff_id=885-65&locale=en_us&ui=1&os_ver=6.1.1.0

Sadly twitter has blacklisted our url and many firewall vendors have as well. It is actually caused by people that are mad that we are here, creating a new site. When we contact these sites both from our legal team as well as just emailing them, they ignore us and have not fixed any issues.

We know the site that is mostly behind this, targeting us, but we don't have enough evidence to point the finger. This has been going on since they know the site has been sold to us.

We have contact Mcafee many times being ignored.

Ah I've heard a lot of cases like that where Mcafee takes the time to blacklist someone small because they don't like them for one reason or another that sucks recall the firestorm when they were blocking newgrounds for years because of a flash game *_*.
Then to add insult to injury they killed their userbase by hiding their comment and reporter section but its a legacy program so it happens comes pre installed with some PC's so a pita keep it on to do a level 1 scan then followup if it gets a rating warning.

I wish you the best of luck to fix this, and while I'm at it you can appeal your Weboftrust rating as well its another well used program and they reply a lot faster as they are a user based community system.
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/fastbluff.com

https://www.mywot.com/en/forum/5

Just put in a post here and ask for an appeal should be a fairly quick process

In Siteadvisor its easier to open a thread and ask them what is wrong with it although its much slower...
https://community.mcafee.com/community/home/web_email/siteadvisor?view=discussions

Good luck with your service and I hope these issues will be behind you soon.

added for now
1KKYPo44ou12v8ZMisYi3JrrsAr6f9XyC2

Added.


Thank you.

Please sign me up!

Post count: 238 (excluding this post)
BTC address: 17WTBqAF4wmodiAR6srtS15zXbVKJ3NWUG

Added.


We are closed to new members, beside the members we promised to include.

Signing Up...

Posts:   2284
Activity:   252
Position:   Sr. Member
Address:    17tdm21TXzThSaeXkGsLzQXRR7JjUJ9q8E

Please Confirm...

Hi, I became a full member today, So kindly update my pay per post from 22nd July posts. Thanks

Confirmed.


We don't update that information in the middle of a round, that will change with the new round.

Im sorta confused, you guys say you are closed, but when more people apply they still get in??

Correct me if im wrong pls.

I also said unless we promised you a spot. We reach ~15 people including the people that we promised a spot, so while no new people can join, the people that have post that I said they can join, will be able.

Thank you for the reply :)

Ok..  can you tell me how to update my sig to the other bright colored one? never mind that, can I use this one?

⚀ Fastbluff ⚁⚃ || 1% House Edge Dice Game || Instant Payouts (https://fastbluff.com?utm_source=bitbaby) || Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665824)

I have updated my sig with this one, if it is not accepted, pls tell me and I will change it to default one. Thanks

Great, so I'm continuing with this campagin on the premise that it's still weekly.

Thanks fastbluff and I hope that you can work out the issues with twitter/macaffee soon.

Yes this is fine.

Ok so your post count is going to start at 202. And you want us to use the same address?

Yes, of course the same address.  But why on earth should my post count start at 202?  It should certainly start at whatever it was at when you paid me last week.  I haven't taken down your signature in the mean time?  Why would you refuse to pay for posts made with your signature?

I'll have to check to see exactly where I was at when you paid me last, but I believe it was in the low 190s.  That should be my starting post count.

To emphasize: I have worn your advertizement all week.  I have posted with your signature nearly 10 posts already this week.  I can't understand why you would refuse to pay for posts made with your signature in place?  If this is truly the case, I would consider it to be a deal breaker.  Please clarify as soon as possible.

EDIT: I checked the dates on my posts, as far as I can tell you last paid me at post 195.  So this should be my starting post count this week.  If that's not the way things work, then I'm pretty dissatisfied and I'll be resigning immediately.  Just waiting to (hopefully) hear that there's some simple misunderstanding here.

Your post count is starting at 202, because in our pm to you about the first report, we asked you to confirm if you were continuing with us, you have just responded to that pm now. I am sorry but we have to take our post count from when you confirmed you were staying in the campaign. We can't bend this rule, as other people followed this and it would be unfair to them.

What?!

I'm sorry but if I'm wearing your advertizement in my signature space, how is that not a confirmation that I'm staying with the program?

Do you really, honestly, think that someone would wear your advertizement in their signature space and not expect to be paid for it?  I was away over the weekend and therefore I did not reply to your pm immediately.  Still, your advertizement was up on my posts over this time period, why do you think you should get that for free?

This morning I added nearly 10 more posts in good faith advertizing for you.  Now you reply to me in the evening and say, "ok, i just caught up with you and i'm putting you back in at your current post count"??

If this is really the way your program works then consider this:

1. You pay for a given week.
2. You are now getting free advertizing because you won't pay for any posts until you "reconfirm" people
3. People say, ok, please let me reconfirm.
4. You eventually reconfirm them and you don't have to to pay for posts between steps 2--4!?

Obviously, under your system, I would immediately remove your ad upon payment and wait for you to "reconfirm" me before I put your ad back.

Finally, can you please explain how this is "unfair to everyone else" if you simply pay people for the posts that they made in good faith with your signature?  How many free advertizments (unpaid posts) did you get from everyone else?  Why wouldn't you simply pay them for the advertizing you got?

I think the obvious fair thing is to pay everyone for the advertizing that you got from them.  If you are not willing to reconsider, I'll be resigning from the program as soon as possible.

I am sorry but I will not be continuing this in the thread. You can pm us if you are unhappy, but everyone else was able to follow it. We have been extremely easy on the rules we set, and we even overpaid for our first signature campaign week. So for you to be dissatisfied, is really unfair to us. We are willing to work with you, but we can't bend rules that majority of people were able to follow. It just isn't fair to us and our clients.

I'd be happy to continue the conversation in PM if you have anything more to say.  For the moment, I see that you refuse to pay for posts made in good faith bearing your advertizment.  Your reasoning for this is vague.  You just say "it's not fair to us and our clients".  But you haven't addressed the obvious fact that your "system" is just a way to get free posts each week by refusing to pay for posts between the time you paid for last week and whenever you decide to "reconfirm" someone the following week.  No other ad campaigns work this way, and you know it.  There's no reason to refuse to pay for advertizing done between the time you pay and the time that you "reconfirm" and you know that too.  If you can offer something more than a trite "that's the rules, I'm sorry",  I'd be happy to hear it.

In the meantime I've left negative feedback describing the situation (I know it doesn't mean much since I'm not in the default trust ring but it's really all I can do).  I would say that you owe me for the posts I've already made this week but since your refusal to pay me for this posts is the crux of our disagreement, I've just left that as the amount risked (a paltry 0.006BTC).  I'm actually quite surprised that you would take such a strong stand to risk your good reputation and leave a contractor dissatisfied over 0.006BTC.  I would have thought that you would have taken the rational approach of viewing the facts of the argument (sed advertized for me, I should probably simply resolve the error in my system so that people who advertize for me are getting paid for it).  However, it appears that it's more valuable to you to "stick to your guns" over this system than to make things right.

If you want me to remove the negative feedback, simply pay me for the advertizing I've done for you and I'll remove it.  Good luck in the future.

Talk to this topic and get on their list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0
Increase your limit by a bit. If you get to 125 posts a week you will be the actual highest paying campaign. You have the same rates as primedice but you pay weekly. After the primedice campaign I would probably switch to you if you increased the limit to 100 at least, and you prove payouts.

We have left you negative feedback, as we set up a policy you didn't follow it. You are now not eligible to be in any of contest or signature campaign. Please stop spamming this thread as we will report it to a mod, if you want you can pm us to continue, but we have made our case very clear.

We will not be changing the limits anytime soon. We have proved payouts, don't let one person who is obviously just wants to scam us, make this perfect campaign into something it isn't.


Payout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684966.msg7897240#msg7897240

I'm sorry but you are accusing me of wanting to "scam" you?  That's a little crazy dude.

I am accusing you of not paying for advertizments made in good faith.  I have left feedback to this effect.  If you want to resolve it, we can talk about that further in PM.  In the meantime, your threatening tone really just makes you look worse.

Good luck with your endeavours.

You are trying to scam us, as we over paid you for unconstructive post to show good faith and now you are not following the policy and accused us of scamming. I am sorry but this is called scamming in my books. Now please stop spamming our thread.

I am not spamming your thread.  I am replying publically to accusations which you are making about me publically.  If you don't want me to respond, then stop accusing.

From your PM to me:


So, by "you performed as one of the best posters" I guess I'm suppose to understand something about overpaying for unconstructive posts?!

It's obvious to anyone who is reading this thread that I am not "scamming".  I made 10 posts with your signature this week and you say you will not pay because I didn't get "reconfirmed".  I consider this to be a terribly dishonest system, one that's meant to steal a few free posts each week.  No other campaign does this.  Obviously your campaign is new, you could have just said "ok, you're right, that's not fair to have you advertizing for us without us paying.  Let's change the system."  Instead you are playing hard-ass with your system and I have left feedback accordingly.

Good luck in your future.

First off to be one of the best posters, you had to make at least 30 post that were considered constructive, but we paid for the full 50 post no matter what they were, to overcome any trust issues of not paying.

We are dishonest because we wanted people to reconfirmed as this is a weekly campaign, and we want to open up more spots for more people that will be doing us a service. I am sorry you are angry at the way things are done here, but these are our policies, if you don't agree please leave. As this is a thread for business, not whining because you were away.

We were extremely easy on the rules in the beginning and I am surprised that a person would even be angry at making money they didn't earn.

If you post in this thread again we will report to the mods as now this is off topic and you are trolling.

Actually both of you guys can leave each other all of the negative feedback you want.  No one will see it until one of you gets into the default trust ring aaaaaaand, that's looking pretty unlikely for either of you at the moment.

Anyway, I'm not involved in this campaign but it does seem like fastbluff's policy is pretty wack, I haven't seen any other campaigns doing this.  But sed going directly to negative feedback also seems extreme.  Why don't you guys both forgive each other and walk away with clean reps?

Actually you paid me for 24 out of 25 posts that I made that week.  I'm not sure what the issue was with the 25th post but this is not relevant to the problem.  I don't see how paying me for 24 out of 25 posts and saying "you were one of the best posters" is somehow overpaying me.  I'd say that you paid me the right amount and I don't have any problem with this.


What's dishonest is that you don't want to pay for posts made with your advertizment during the time while we wait to be "reconfirmed".  Again, no other sig campaign does this.  As for leaving, I've already done so.  As for business, I find it quite relevant to business that you have this "policy" to not pay for certain posts each week.


You keep bringing this up about being "extremely easy", etc.  I don't have a problem with your "easiness".  I don't really even understand what you're getting at.  You paid me exactly correctly for the first week and there's no issue there.  My issue is that you don't want to pay me for advertizment in the second week.  As for anger, I don't have anger, I have a valid claim.  I'm sorta sad that you would rather deal with all of this accusation and feedback and whatnot rather than just reconsider a strange policy, but it's your business.  My business is simply to request payment for work completed.


I'd be happy to hear what mods say about this.  I'm obviously not trolling if I keep having to reply to your accusations about me and motivations.  If you stop bringing me up in this thread, I'll stop replying.  Let's talk to the adults, maybe they'll help you calm down and think about things more clearly, idk.

He is extorting and trying get us to paid for something he is not entitled to, that is called scamming to us and our investors. We have been extremely professional.

The reconfirmation is just sending a pm back to us when we pm you, that you wish to continue with us. We have limited spaces and this is how we can know if we can add more people. Many people want to be part of our campaign so this is how try to fit them in.

poeEDgar,  I hope I can clarify.  I was paid at post 195 and I was expected to send a pm to "reenroll".  I didn't know this so I began posting.  I later dropped a message in this thread to say I was of course continuing and was told my starting post for the week would be 202.  I disagreed because I had kept the advertiziment on the whole time and had posted approx 10 times since he was "reconfirming" me.  This is the crux of the disagreement.  I removed myself from the campaign and left negative feedback for 0.006BTC (payment for the 10 posts).  That really got him into gear and how he's accussing me of "scamming" and of "whining" and other things (which I wouldn't exactly call "extremely professsional" but everyone has their own opinions about that).

I also sent him a pm to try to discuss in private but he just says he's convinced I'm trying to scam him now.  So I guess that's what's going on.  Somehow this amounts to me "extorting" him.  I also opened a flame war thread for him in case it helps him blow off some steam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705946.new#new) but he hasn't taken advantage of that yet.

Finally, I can addres this:


That is exactly the crux of my issue.  I was not paid for advertizing for him from Thursday to Tuesday because I was "unconfirmed". When he did reconfirm me, he did so at my post count on Tuesday afternoon rather than my post count as of Thursday night.  So from Thursday to Tuesday was unpaid advertizing and this is why I left the campaign.

We are not paying you end of story, you didn't follow the policy can you now leave this thread. You are just off-topic, and the mods will start cleaning this thread after you leave.

Replying to poeEDgar's question is not off-topic.  I think that there's a reason that people want to clarify what happened to me.

You keep threatening me with "the mods".  It's really not a scary threat.  I'm doing my best to interact professionally.  If the "mods" decide I'm in the wrong, I can deal with that.

Honestly, I'm sorry that we weren't able to communicate better.  I personally think it's a shame that you decided to go the "hard-line" approach with your policy rather than taking a moment to evaluate whether it was fair to refuse to pay people for advertizing for your site.  I really would have thought you would have been a little less rash given your otherwise thoughtful approach to this campaign.

For other people it will be very obvious that you don't pay for certain posts, and they'll have that knowledge going in so they won't be surprised.  For me, I was surprised and I consider it a breach of good faith/trust.  I think it's fair to discuss that in public since this is a public campaign.

Stop talking this thread, you can pm people your replies, you are completely off-topic. Our investors have taken my side, you are not getting paid, and we regret paying you anything. Now leave this thread and go post your false information somewhere else.


By the way we never used the term "you suck". But keep making up stuff.

I have the right to reply if you keep addressing me.  Sorry, but you keep bringing me up and accusing me, so I have the right to respond.  I'm not sure you know what "off-topic" means.  The topic of this thread is your signature campaign.  I'm discussing the details of your "policy" with respect to unpaid posts for your signature ad campaign---what could be more on-topic?


You suggest I am posting false information?  What have I said that is false?

You say you regret paying me anything?  That is indeed shocking.  We had a contract, you fulfilled it during the first week.  Now you say you wish you hadn't fulfilled the contract?  It's really a surprising stance, I think.  I wish you and your investors good luck, but I think your attitude towards contractors is disconcerting.


What are you talking about here?  EDIT: oh I think you're referring to the flame war thread I started for you (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705946.msg7978900#msg7978900).  I apologized if I mischaracterized your colorful epithets.  I do think I captured the spirit of your commentary, though.  Do you disagree?

You are officially ban from any of contest. :)


I think you two forgot, we are paying for a service, not the other way around. We made a simple policy that Sed couldn't follow, doesn't really get anymore simpler than that.


This is our last signature campaign week, you all can blame Sed, we are going to just use traditional ads, we were enjoying this until the trolls showed up. Gweedo will be making an announcement tomorrow as he is really the one that pulled the plug on this!

Wow, so I wonder if you're going to pay the rest of the campaigners for their advertizing this week or if I'm the only one who advertized for free.

post count : 274
bitcoin address : 1DgL9CDtbKdoV8mxJjAH5GNtery6yszTDW

Not accepting anymore!

you're too late to join this campaign

You're ending this? Too bad I was thinking of working on making few new, more attractive sigs for senior and hero members.

Hello everyone!

I have spoke to the investors of the site, as well as many outside people and I took it upon myself to end this campaign. I personally hate signature campaigns for this reason exactly. I am not going to be blaming Sed at all, I would fight for money if I thought it was owed to me as well. I still have to side with fastbluff, the reason we need a pm confirmation is for two things. One it gives the user notification and lets us know that they acknowledge that the round is over. It also lets us get a good bearing for the post count when the new round gets started. This was never a plan to get free days, hours or even minutes of advertising. This thread turn into exactly what I didn't want it to be. It only hurts my brand and my investment at the end of the day. It also points to a disorderly web site being ran, I know if I saw this thread I wouldn't use fastbluff.

I think it is best we finish out the week, we end it and we payout. Lets end this on a good note. I will be handling the payment for Thursday.

Just for the record, we never planned on this being a long term thing (more than 1 month, but not longer than 6 months), we are switching to an affiliate program, hopefully people that want to support us and earn money, will turn to it.

Thank you.

I appreciate the calm reply, gweedo.  I just want add for the record that this whole mess could have been avoided pretty easily by fastbluff above when I pointed out that the policy he was suggesting essentialy amounted to not paying for a number of my posts, he could have at that time approached me off thread, or basically done anything other than what he did, which is refuse to discuss it and then make accusations.  The other thing I want to point out is that the OP doesn't say anything about having to enroll each week by PM, so I really think some flexibility from fastbluff would have avoided the huge stinkbomb this turned into.

BTW, I can confirm that the site is back up now.  Cheers.

Just because one little inbred bitch was mad because he lost 10 posts ( that he made in "good faith", which probably counts as spamming) doesn't mean you have to end the campaign. Cant you at least just keep it running for all the members who actually complied by the rules?

I am not trying to jump in the middle of the war, but I do agree what gweedo mentioned, that this kind of mess will just give people negative impression and drive potential customers away from it.

How can this be the highest when Primedice offer same rates but 100 posts a week ?

even if its really unfair we should respect their decision they are only trying to protect their site from a future problem because of this issue
however we also need to follow some rules as fastbluff said its not fair if they let sed not to follow the rules when the other is following it and he is being an exception this little mistake can be followed by other members and jelousy will come sooner as they keep on forgiving and that will cause a huge chaos to their campaign

you're cute armin22 :)  I think i love you.

For everyone else who is less poetically inclined.  I just wanted to say that gweedo swooped in and calmed the waters.  He paid for the advertizing I did for their site and therefore I have removed any complaint against fastbluff and I wish them both good luck in the business.

For those of you inbred bitches who think that getting paid for your posts when you're in a paid signature advertizing campaign is breaking the rules, I wish you good luck, or I wish you to kiss my ass, whichever you prefer.

Cheers!

This is not the highest paying signature campaign. You might want to refrain from false advertising when you're new here.

The campaign is closing anyways if you read the thread mate
Although I guess since the issue is set aside now could have made a self moderated thread without any issues but it was a pleasure anyways short but sweet.

I can't believe this campaign is closing because of one bad Apple.. Anyway was a good campaign and I'm sorry that this is ending.

No I didn't read through every reply of every page of this thread.
Quite idiotic that it's not in the OP that the campaign is closing, or the title for that matter.

Not that I really care.

then learn how to read and dont spam this thread or you are only boosting your post count for the sake of your signature campaign

Couldn't really recognize the special thing about this campaign, I mean it matched the PrimeDice's ones and lower limits. The only advantage is weekly payment.

So we get paid today. too bad its going to be my first and last payout :(

When no sign of op and it's usually now he pays  :(

well maybe we just need to be patience a little bit and give OP sometime maybe they are checking our post now and count how many constructive post we made for this term

No worries Gweedo has this covered so just wait a while for him to log in

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Payment received. Thank U. Wishing best of luck to the FastBluff team.

Payment received, it was nice working for you  ;)

recieve my payment i will leave the signature of your site for awhile here until i didnt find any good paying campaign

I see what's going on now. Some 10 posts were not counted towards a week's post coint. It is not a lot of coins involved, but both sides are disputing over a matter of principle. I see good reason on both sides, but it doesn't matter now, the campaign is terminating.