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Title: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 13, 2014, 01:43:37 AM
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Pres. Obama is asking Congress for $3.7 billion - $67,912.28 per child - to deal with 57,000 minors illegally entering the U.S., Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) tweeted today.

But, the problem is more than money, Rep. Gohmert tells MRCTV, since Obama's threats and imperial actions are sending "the message that America has become lawless":

"His lawlessly announcing his one-man legislation allowing people to come illegally and stay illegally sent the message that America had become lawless and would not be enforcing our own border or laws. Now, demanding money or else he'll allow even more devastation to our health, education and housing systems should not be condoned nor encouraged."

"The United States has been invaded by about twice as many people as invaded France on D-Day," Rep. Gohmert tells MRCTV.

More...http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/rep-gohmert-obama-wants-67912-every-illegal-alien-minor (http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/rep-gohmert-obama-wants-67912-every-illegal-alien-minor)


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: ALToids on July 13, 2014, 09:09:59 AM
Well when you put it that way it looks bad.  Why not show it as him asking for 1 penny compounded weekly at 10% interest for the rest of you life.  That seems innocuous to most Americans.

Obama's response is like a kid breaking a glass of milk on the the floor and asking you for $5 so he can clean up said mess.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Crypt0Keeper on July 13, 2014, 09:33:31 AM
Cloward-Piven is at work here.  I hope those border states start forming militias and do something about this mess.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: cech4204a on July 13, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
I'd never want to be illegal in a country, that's the reason i would never enter USA illegaly. Why would i even try that if i couldn't sleep well after that ?


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 13, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
When it comes to spending our money, our politicians never do anything half-ass except helping out our veterans. At least we can own as many firearms as we want but I'm to the point that even they don't do much for me as a person these days, except keep those in charge knowing there's a trump card up in here.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Ron~Popeil on July 13, 2014, 10:04:34 PM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: LostDutchman on July 13, 2014, 10:05:31 PM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.

+100


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: beetcoin on July 13, 2014, 10:20:07 PM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.

the worst? i don't think so.. but he's horrible. the guy before him was the one who cut taxes and then sent trillions of dollars to iraq and pakistan.

3.7 billion for immigrants.. wtf is obama thinking? i don't even get what his angle is here.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 13, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.

the worst? i don't think so.. but he's horrible. the guy before him was the one who cut taxes and then sent trillions of dollars to iraq and pakistan.

3.7 billion for immigrants.. wtf is obama thinking? i don't even get what his angle is here.
Open up the doors and advertise to the poorest of the poor to come on in and then keep voting dem or otherwise those Tea Party/Liberty republicans will shut em down. More potential violence from gangs, more low skilled competition for poorer domestic people of all stripes, cheaper labor for the chamber of commerce republicans, bluer America w/ more potential to take away gun rights among others, more need or call for bigger government until it's game time and there's nothing left. Middle class is officially wiped out and less means to revert to real change. I'd hate to say that this surprises me but the way we dole out billions in foreign aid plus all the domestic entitlements, it's more like par for the course. This is why we need to overhaul the GOP, get more liberty republicans elected, get Rand in the White House and spread Bitcoin far and wide so more people use and not debt/slave money to prop up the system.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Bitsaurus on July 14, 2014, 11:03:36 AM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.

the worst? i don't think so.. but he's horrible. the guy before him was the one who cut taxes and then sent trillions of dollars to iraq and pakistan.

3.7 billion for immigrants.. wtf is obama thinking? i don't even get what his angle is here.

I doubt there are more than 10 people who would support what Bush did in hindsight, but even after finding out what the ISI did and their harboring for Osama, Obama continued to dish out even more money.  He couldn't even give Karzai a good backhand.  What good is a puppet if the puppet wont listen?

Face it Obama's foreign policy is worse than his domestic policy, and he's at 40% approval on the domestic front.  Not looking good for the messiah.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: jcoin200 on July 14, 2014, 12:43:51 PM
Not one of Obamas policies has created any jobs, and his "stimulus money" has all been funneled to his friends/donors.

His continual asking for money is showing what his real goal is, to bankrupt the US.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: stevegreer on July 14, 2014, 03:36:40 PM
I can't believe I am actually saying this, but I for once in my life am in total agreement with what Jesse Jackson said in his recent interview with Greta Van Susteren. (Needless to say I was very shocked that King Race-baiter himself actually disagreed with the almighty Barry). But Jesse said he was confused why Obama was more interested in helping these illegal immigrant children when there are so many legal young citizens who are suffering every day in the U.S. Very true. We need to take care of our own before we start to funnel billions of dollars in aid to illegals.

You know what pisses me off the most about this though? He wants to give these kids the same amount of money that I make in one year, all because they are coming into this country illegally. I bust my ass to earn that money, and he is wanting to give these kids money (yes, I know it won't be given to them directly, but that's not the point) for breaking the law!


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: counter on July 15, 2014, 08:47:30 AM
Well when you put it that way it looks bad.  Why not show it as him asking for 1 penny compounded weekly at 10% interest for the rest of you life.  That seems innocuous to most Americans.

Obama's response is like a kid breaking a glass of milk on the the floor and asking you for $5 so he can clean up said mess.

So well put I really don't have much else to add..

Maybe I should add that nothing the Obama administration has done regarding this issue has been anything short of a complete fail of astronomical levels.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: LostDutchman on July 15, 2014, 08:48:25 AM
Not one of Obamas policies has created any jobs, and his "stimulus money" has all been funneled to his friends/donors.

His continual asking for money is showing what his real goal is, to bankrupt the US.

Yep.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: zolace on July 15, 2014, 07:21:02 PM


Let Obama Own Immigration Mess On Our Border
I hate to give Obama $3.7 Billion to waste, but maybe it's the only way to wake up the remainder that still supports this POS.  Regardless, he owns this mess....not the GOP.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/11/memo-to-gop-let-obama-own-immigration-mess-on-our-border/?intcmp=obnetwork


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: PeanutCoins on July 15, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
The do-nothing Congress, most especially the House, is all about 24/7/365 obstruction and never has had any plans in the last six years to do anything but obstruct.  Oh, and have their heads explode when Obama issues executive orders, less executive orders than his predecessor.  They don't care to do anything until they can criticize what someone else did.  How they collect a paycheck for their complete abdication of their responsibilities, I'll never know.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: lemfuture on July 15, 2014, 07:28:12 PM
can't afford to bring my cousin in  ::)


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: umair127 on July 15, 2014, 07:31:05 PM
The do-nothing Congress, most especially the House, is all about 24/7/365 obstruction and never has had any plans in the last six years to do anything but obstruct.  Oh, and have their heads explode when Obama issues executive orders, less executive orders than his predecessor.  They don't care to do anything until they can criticize what someone else did.  How they collect a paycheck for their complete abdication of their responsibilities, I'll never know.
The goal of everyone in the party whose ideology differs from that of the party in power is to insure that the empowered ideology does not advance same. 

Please, save us the less executive order bullcrap---the orders are vastly different in flavor and intent, and you are bright enough to know this.  Why you waste your talents protecting a sack of crap who'd watch you die without a flicker of emotion is amazing to me.

Want to talk about complete abdication of responsibility?  Let's talk about Mr. Blame Bush first.  The guy who is SO disrespected by those he appointed that they don't even bother to inform him when they run guns or target the IRS.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: theonewhowaskazu on July 15, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.

Really? The worst? He's just damn-smack boring average do nothing.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: beetcoin on July 15, 2014, 08:23:47 PM
So we create a crisis and then demand money to resolve it? How dumb do they think we are?



How many days are we down to until the next president takes office? Prince O is by far the worst president we have ever had.

Really? The worst? He's just damn-smack boring average do nothing.

most people here are right leaning or republican.. so of course he's the worst to them. he's bad, but he's not the worst offender. in 3 years, people will be complaining about how hilary is the worst, and how they miss obama.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: stevegreer on July 15, 2014, 08:51:11 PM

 in 3 years, people will be complaining about how hilary is the worst, and how they miss obama.

Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: zolace on July 15, 2014, 09:31:43 PM
The do-nothing Congress, most especially the House, is all about 24/7/365 obstruction and never has had any plans in the last six years to do anything but obstruct.  Oh, and have their heads explode when Obama issues executive orders, less executive orders than his predecessor.  They don't care to do anything until they can criticize what someone else did.  How they collect a paycheck for their complete abdication of their responsibilities, I'll never know.
The goal of everyone in the party whose ideology differs from that of the party in power is to insure that the empowered ideology does not advance same. 

Please, save us the less executive order bullcrap---the orders are vastly different in flavor and intent, and you are bright enough to know this.  Why you waste your talents protecting a sack of crap who'd watch you die without a flicker of emotion is amazing to me.

Want to talk about complete abdication of responsibility?  Let's talk about Mr. Blame Bush first.  The guy who is SO disrespected by those he appointed that they don't even bother to inform him when they run guns or target the IRS.
From day one we heard that Bush was not 'duly elected' and the Dims were out to destroy him.

This border mess is on Barack Hussein Obama....NO ONE ELSE!

How Obama collects his paycheck, and other benefits via the taxpayer, I'll never understand.  He is truly a worthless POS!


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Rigon on July 15, 2014, 09:34:07 PM
  Its not the law but Obama.  Do the righties even have any idea just how stupid that statement is..


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: noviapriani on July 15, 2014, 09:50:05 PM
If people worried less about whose fucking lap it is in and more about fixing the prolem maybe someone thing would happen.   

The child trafficking law was well-intended but with unintended consequences.  The 20008 law that brought this about was a bipartisan effort applauded by both sides.  I thought Bush did a good thing when he signed that law as well.  We all thought it was a good thing to make sure kids arent being trafficked in sex trades etc.   But it had unintended consequences.  Rather than being obsessed with making sure we can BLAME Obama and put it "in his lap" (you cant)....how about congress fix the fucking law like the president has asked?  The problem is in all of our laps. Obama asked congress to get to work and fix it.  The 3.7 Billion is temporary.  The law needs to be revised....that is the job of congress. Start writing to your representative and ask them how it will be fixed.

People are so obsessed with finding ways to blame Obama, the problem itself is not actually the issue.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: zolace on July 15, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
The do-nothing Congress, most especially the House, is all about 24/7/365 obstruction and never has had any plans in the last six years to do anything but obstruct.  Oh, and have their heads explode when Obama issues executive orders, less executive orders than his predecessor.  They don't care to do anything until they can criticize what someone else did.  How they collect a paycheck for their complete abdication of their responsibilities, I'll never know.
have you forgotten the eight years GWB was in office.  From day one we heard that Bush was not 'duly elected' and the Dims were out to destroy him.
Obama already owns it. Remember how he mocked those who said the border was not secure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAOEInEzpec

Notice that the one thing Obama did not say was that the border was now secure. It wasn't, and he knew it wasn't because he did not want it to be secure!


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 15, 2014, 10:31:33 PM
And as Obama doubles down on this failure of this policy, he's starting to lose his core constituency and then some. It's almost like he's trying to get his people to stay home this next go around. Tho, when the GOP has both houses it'll be interesting if Obama tries to push the envelope even more w/ his executive orders that bypass the legitimate legislative body.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Ron~Popeil on July 15, 2014, 10:47:33 PM
The do-nothing Congress, most especially the House, is all about 24/7/365 obstruction and never has had any plans in the last six years to do anything but obstruct.  Oh, and have their heads explode when Obama issues executive orders, less executive orders than his predecessor.  They don't care to do anything until they can criticize what someone else did.  How they collect a paycheck for their complete abdication of their responsibilities, I'll never know.

Bring something other than talking points to the discussion please. We all ready hear the same garbage from our media outlets.



Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: LostDutchman on July 15, 2014, 10:58:31 PM
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Pres. Obama is asking Congress for $3.7 billion - $67,912.28 per child - to deal with 57,000 minors illegally entering the U.S., Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) tweeted today.

But, the problem is more than money, Rep. Gohmert tells MRCTV, since Obama's threats and imperial actions are sending "the message that America has become lawless":

"His lawlessly announcing his one-man legislation allowing people to come illegally and stay illegally sent the message that America had become lawless and would not be enforcing our own border or laws. Now, demanding money or else he'll allow even more devastation to our health, education and housing systems should not be condoned nor encouraged."

"The United States has been invaded by about twice as many people as invaded France on D-Day," Rep. Gohmert tells MRCTV.

More...http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/rep-gohmert-obama-wants-67912-every-illegal-alien-minor (http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/rep-gohmert-obama-wants-67912-every-illegal-alien-minor)

Of course he does.

Each one is a guarranteed Democrat when it turns 18.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: noviapriani on July 15, 2014, 11:08:03 PM
Contract Shows Obama Planned Border Invasion

Immigration: A federal employment ad posted in January showing that 65,000 unaccompanied minors will enter the U.S. illegally shows that the administration expected this cross-border child abuse and encouraged it.

Concrete evidence has shown up proving our earlier assertion: The breach of our border by waves of unaccompanied alien children was orchestrated by the administration based on a strategy straight out of the playbook President Obama studied as a community organizer. His goal is to get his way on immigration reform by overwhelming the U.S. Border Patrol and collapsing an already weakened system.

The evidence comes in the form a government contract solicited in January by the Department of Homeland Security. The listing asked for "Escort Services for Unaccompanied Alien Children" in expectation of the arrival of 65,000 minors on our southern border without their parents or guardians.

The operative language in the listing is the statement by DHS/Immigration and Customs Enforcement that they expect there "will be approximately 65,000" alien minors requiring assistance. This is a significant increase from the 5,000 minors who are detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement annually. It also strongly suggests not only advance knowledge of the human catastrophe about to unfold but a lack of any effort to stop it.

Not only have the numbers vastly increased, but the points of origin have changed. No longer are we talking about just poor Mexican families seeking a better life from an "act of love," as one possible 2016 presidential candidate put it. Hondurans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans now make up about 75% of illegals caught in South Texas.

The number of children traveling without parents has overwhelmed Border Patrol detention centers along the Texas border, prompting officials to ship them to converted warehouses and military bases as far away as California. The situation is so bad that there is fear we would have no place to put American citizen refugees if another Hurricane Katrina occurs. Some have even called this alien-children invasion Obama's Katrina.

This is no act of love, as children are transported by cartels and other human traffickers from Central America and then through 1,800 miles of difficult Mexican roads. They are subjected to the worst abuse along the way, then dumped across the border, where they huddle on warehouse floors in conditions ideal for the spread of infectious diseases.

Such a journey is made on the expectation that these children will not be turned away. At a House Homeland Security Committee hearing this week, committee Republicans noted three causes for this influx: Obama executive actions such as the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program; lax enforcement policies; and talk on both sides of the aisle of comprehensive immigration reform indistinguishable from amnesty.

As committee Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul noted in his opening statement:

"Newspapers in El Salvador and Honduras seem to be encouraging youth to head to the United States based on these policies. And recent internal DHS surveys of these children reveal that more than 70% believe they are going to stay in the country."

This is a human tragedy of the administration's making. ICE union boss Chris Crane testified last year at a House Judiciary Committee hearing, lodging complaints about the lawlessness behind the "nation's broken immigration system."

"ICE has essentially prohibited its agents from enforcing" immigration law, Crane said. "What message do ICE practices send to the world? The message is: 'We don't enforce our laws, come on over, and if you do get caught, just lie to us. Lie about the day and year you entered, lie about going to high school, you won't be required to prove anything.'"

This is a humanitarian disaster as well a political outrage, and the Obama White House wanted it to happen.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: dadugan on July 15, 2014, 11:17:35 PM
The money is being used on law enforcement, which hire local and put money into community.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Bitsaurus on July 16, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
The money is being used on law enforcement, which hire local and put money into community.

This is part of his stimulus package?  Why doesn't he just order every American to be anally probed.  The probes being manufactured in America could put 1/2 million people to work.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: giveBTCpls on July 16, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
Choosing a president is the same sense of freedom you get when you have a choice to buy different toothpaste or cereal brands. At the end of the day is all the same shit remarketed. The powers that be use them as puppets and this is a well known fact these days. Inb4 tinfoil hat.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 16, 2014, 09:18:08 PM
Choosing a president is the same sense of freedom you get when you have a choice to buy different toothpaste or cereal brands. At the end of the day is all the same shit remarketed. The powers that be use them as puppets and this is a well known fact these days. Inb4 tinfoil hat.
Pretty much but there is some form of self defense in voting at certain levels. Voting for Ron or Rand Paul as President would definitely be the anomaly in terms of voting for high office. Either one of them would drain the swamp otherwise known as Washington DC.


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: hollowframe on July 17, 2014, 12:33:59 AM
Choosing a president is the same sense of freedom you get when you have a choice to buy different toothpaste or cereal brands. At the end of the day is all the same shit remarketed. The powers that be use them as puppets and this is a well known fact these days. Inb4 tinfoil hat.
This is not really true, as presidents running as candidates of each party have sharply different views and would run the country very differently


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: smoothie on July 17, 2014, 12:40:49 AM

Obama's response is like a kid breaking a glass of milk on the the floor and asking you for $5 so he can clean up said mess.

This is a good analogy to see how ridiculous Obama is. He is just a puppet.

When he was on O'ahu for some stupid reason...he decided to close down the entire H1 freeway for 4 hours so he could travel from the airport to his destination and back or whatever.

He is the supposed president of the U.S. but the way he operates is that of a sissy. Why not drive in normal traffic? Is he scared someone will do something to him because of his bone head decisions as president thus far?

Leadership in this world in terms of politics has been diluted so badly it is retarded to have someone of his stature as "The President of the United States of America".


Title: Re: Obama Wants $67,912 for Every Illegal Alien Minor
Post by: dadugan on July 19, 2014, 12:46:44 AM
The money is being used on law enforcement, which hire local and put money into community.

This is part of his stimulus package?  Why doesn't he just order every American to be anally probed.  The probes being manufactured in America could put 1/2 million people to work.

This will work also.