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Title: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 14, 2014, 01:43:52 AM
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Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that reliable data indicates that "about 2%" of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles.

The Pope said that abuse of children was like "leprosy" infecting the Church, according to the Italian La Repubblica newspaper.

He vowed to "confront it with the severity it demands".

But a Vatican spokesman said the quotes in the newspaper did not correspond to Pope Francis's exact words.

The BBC's David Willey in Rome says there is often a studied ambiguity in Pope Francis' off-the-cuff statements.

He wants to show a more compassionate attitude towards Church teaching than his predecessors, but this can sometimes cause consternation among his media advisers, our correspondent adds.
More...http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28282050 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28282050)


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Sindelar1938 on July 14, 2014, 04:55:12 AM
I find it hard to believe that the Pope would have made this comment. It may be true but it is highly inflammatory.
Any primary sources for the quote?


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: maurya78 on July 14, 2014, 06:08:21 AM
He made the comment allright, I have seen it widely quoted across news media


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Blackarrowdown on July 14, 2014, 06:24:27 AM
2% pedophiles?? Talk about an anomaly in the statistics.

Go spread Catholicism - the true pedophile religion!


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Gervais on July 14, 2014, 08:41:28 AM
I think I read on the news that it was one in 50 priests. That's a huge number.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2014, 08:42:11 AM
It was interesting to see that he's looking into the possibility of letting priests marry women. I wonder if this would stop them abusing children? It's not natural to be celebrate and can only cause problems. I'm not even sure if there was anything in the bible strictly about it either.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Nik1ab on July 14, 2014, 09:00:58 AM
It was interesting to see that he's looking into the possibility of letting priests marry women. I wonder if this would stop them abusing children? It's not natural to be celebrate and can only cause problems. I'm not even sure if there was anything in the bible strictly about it either.
Your logic: The possibility of marrying women is going to stop paedophiles from being such.
In case you haven't noticed: Paedophiles don't want to have sex with women but with kids/teens.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: petestheman on July 14, 2014, 09:34:59 AM
Pope Francis is one of the best popes to ever be ordained. He does not care about what people think he is not advertising Catholicism like it is a product that he is trying to sell. He openly admits to problems and then tries his best to tackle them. 


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: cryptasm on July 14, 2014, 03:32:12 PM
Would have thought it would be higher than 2%, about the time the Vatican stopped covering up all of their child abuse.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: C10H15N on July 14, 2014, 03:37:46 PM
Priest is the perfect profession for a paedophile.  Adult sexual relationships are forbidden, High percentage of others like you to to help protect you, trusted in your community, and easy access to children.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: magdapani on July 14, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
2%, that sounds like a low estimation.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Chef Ramsay on July 15, 2014, 02:19:53 AM
I was born and raised Catholic and I still kinda follow along on religious things but I take a more spiritual vision when dealing w/ my perceived God. It's kind of hard to just up and ditch the religion I've been a part of all my life considering I went to their schools from early on through graduating college. The conservative Catholics don't like this Pope and the liberal ones tend to be cool with him. Tho, I'm at the point now where much of the religious teachings I've had over the years have faded and I'm left w/ just The Golden Rule. My major beef w/ this Pope is him talking all this spreading the wealth socialist talk when he should be preaching non-stop for the USA to chill out in the middle east.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: counter on July 15, 2014, 08:12:39 AM
It may well be just 2 percent but I have my doubts.  I would not be surprised if the 2 percent is the real number but the real issue is it is the top 2 percent of clergy members with real power are the ones that have the issue with pedophilia. 


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Daniel91 on July 15, 2014, 10:50:18 AM
If this is true, this is really shocking fact!
I think that Catholic church have this problem because of their celibate tradition.
Other churches, where priests can marry and have families, don0't have so much problem in this area like Catholics.
Hopefully Pope Francis will do something about this and allow catholic priests to marry to.
 


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: minime on July 15, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
if he really said that than he would have to expell all of them...


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 03:53:18 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/16/660-suspected-paedophiles-arrested-uk

Of the 660 arrested, 39 were registered sex offenders but the vast majority of suspected paedophiles were off the police's radar. Those arrested include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.

One profession is not mentioned here....


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: E-valuta on July 16, 2014, 04:32:26 PM
Speaking of the Pope:



Did you know that he is the first JESUIT pope? The jesuits, as you know, is the military branch of the vatican. The jesuits were also the creators of the Illuminati(1776, as their dollar bill says). Also, the vaticans coat of arms is a red Shield(Rothschild).


He is also 77 years old.    :o



Kind of a coincidence, that a 77-year old JESUIT is elected as pope same time as the jews are destined to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem..



Fyi.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 04:35:03 PM
Speaking of the Pope:



Did you know that he is the first JESUIT pope? The jesuits, as you know, is the military branch of the vatican. The jesuits were also the creators of the Illuminati(1776, as their dollar bill says). Also, the vaticans coat of arms is a red Shield(Rothschild).


He is also 77 years old.    :o



Kind of a coincidence, that a 77-year old JESUIT is elected as pope same time as the jews are destined to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem..



Fyi.

And there we have another constipation theory..
You should really hold hand with Actor_Tom_Truong and his Illuminati madness


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: E-valuta on July 16, 2014, 04:41:07 PM
Speaking of the Pope:



Did you know that he is the first JESUIT pope? The jesuits, as you know, is the military branch of the vatican. The jesuits were also the creators of the Illuminati(1776, as their dollar bill says). Also, the vaticans coat of arms is a red Shield(Rothschild).


He is also 77 years old.    :o



Kind of a coincidence, that a 77-year old JESUIT is elected as pope same time as the jews are destined to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem..



Fyi.

And there we have another constipation theory..
You should really hold hand with Actor_Tom_Truong and his Illuminati madness

Do tell me, where is the conspiracy theory? What is wrong in the info I wrote? Do tell me, dear sheep. :)


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: E-valuta on July 16, 2014, 04:43:28 PM
Funny how you can stick to 100% facts and still be called a conspiracy THEORIST..  :D


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
Speaking of the Pope:



Did you know that he is the first JESUIT pope? The jesuits, as you know, is the military branch of the vatican. The jesuits were also the creators of the Illuminati(1776, as their dollar bill says). Also, the vaticans coat of arms is a red Shield(Rothschild).


He is also 77 years old.    :o



Kind of a coincidence, that a 77-year old JESUIT is elected as pope same time as the jews are destined to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem..



Fyi.

And there we have another constipation theory..
You should really hold hand with Actor_Tom_Truong and his Illuminati madness

Do tell me, where is the conspiracy theory? What is wrong in the info I wrote? Do tell me, dear sheep. :)

Typical constipation zealot , who is not agreeing with your madness is a sheep controlled by the Illuminati.
You're just making your life harder on this forum with those ...


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: E-valuta on July 16, 2014, 04:48:46 PM
Speaking of the Pope:



Did you know that he is the first JESUIT pope? The jesuits, as you know, is the military branch of the vatican. The jesuits were also the creators of the Illuminati(1776, as their dollar bill says). Also, the vaticans coat of arms is a red Shield(Rothschild).


He is also 77 years old.    :o



Kind of a coincidence, that a 77-year old JESUIT is elected as pope same time as the jews are destined to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem..



Fyi.

And there we have another constipation theory..
You should really hold hand with Actor_Tom_Truong and his Illuminati madness

Do tell me, where is the conspiracy theory? What is wrong in the info I wrote? Do tell me, dear sheep. :)

Typical constipation zealot , who is not agreeing with your madness is a sheep controlled by the Illuminati.
You're just making your life harder on this forum with those ...

Agreeing? I did not see you made a statement that you disagreed. Did you even discuss the info I laid out? No, you did not.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Honeypot on July 17, 2014, 01:44:49 AM
STFU about your illuminati masturbation fantasy.

This pope is a bit too naive...even thought he's a jesuit. Also, jesuits are militant, not military. They follow the strict teachings of Ignatius Loyola, a former mercenary turned repentant priest who dedicated his zeal and strict application of personal courage and discipline required for a hardened mercenary into a religious self discipline. They strictly foreswore violence and application of physical force in return for reliance upon absolute self restraint and adherence to catholic teachings and almost masochistically austere disciplinary lifestyle.

If anything historically dominicans were more militant physically speaking.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 17, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
Although I agree that the Catholic Church faces a lot of sexual abuse problem, they are not the no.1 perpetrators. The evangelical / Pentecostal sects are much worse. There is a sect called New Tribes Mission, which hunts down tribal people and forcibly converts them to Christianity. Recently there was an investigative article about them in the Survival International site. It claimed that more than half of the missionaries (50%+) were engaged in child sexual abuse. But since the victims were illiterate tribals, the perpetrators never got punished.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: sana8410 on July 17, 2014, 11:00:44 AM
Two percent? Like SNAP, this ex-Catholic suspects the percentage is higher.

I suspect that some young men who are troubled by their sexuality are drawn to the priesthood in the mistaken belief that it will somehow correct the issues they have. The more diabolical among them may take up the priesthood for access to children.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: zolace on July 17, 2014, 11:13:58 AM
The Pope Should allow all priests to get married and have their own children. Pedophilia will be cut considerably. Even The Pope should have a wife whom we can call Mrs Pope and she can wear the pants in the house!(Since The Pope wears a dress!).


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 01:28:02 PM
Even though I am an atheist I like this Pope and am really hoping he justifies my affection by rooting out the pedophiles and starting to turn them over to the police.
But, as it is with all of this pope's hippie talk about helping the poor and social justice, I worry about this pope's, uh, health. You just get the sense that if he pushes too far he might get suddenly very ill. Or he may become victim to a terrible "accident."
It will take a lot of effort to take one of the world's most corrupt institutions and turn it into a force for good.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: noviapriani on July 17, 2014, 03:13:31 PM
Even though I am an atheist I like this Pope and am really hoping he justifies my affection by rooting out the pedophiles and starting to turn them over to the police.
But, as it is with all of this pope's hippie talk about helping the poor and social justice, I worry about this pope's, uh, health. You just get the sense that if he pushes too far he might get suddenly very ill. Or he may become victim to a terrible "accident."
It will take a lot of effort to take one of the world's most corrupt institutions and turn it into a force for good.
The most corrupt organized religion on the face of this earth and in most cases they get away with and hide their hideous assaults against young men. But let us all pray...Yeah right.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: umair127 on July 17, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
That two per cent sounds like a very conservative estimate. the big question that bothers me is why Frankie hasn't done what he should have done ages ago: pick up the phone and call the police with all the evidence and suspicions he has and let them sort out the kiddy fiddler cardinals, bishops and lesser clergy.


Title: Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 17, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Even though I am an atheist I like this Pope and am really hoping he justifies my affection by rooting out the pedophiles and starting to turn them over to the police.

Yup. Me too. He is sort of anti-establishment clergyman, similar to those anti-establishment politicians such as Rand Paul. But he should put his words in to action. Else, nothing changes.