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Title: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: umair127 on July 16, 2014, 12:41:43 PM
Private eyes using drones to catch cheating spouses

Investigators are taking drones to new heights — using the remote-controlled aircraft to catch New Yorkers cheating on spouses, lying about disabilities and endangering their kids.

“People want you to believe there’s all this negativity associated with drones . . . but they could be a very helpful tool,” said Olwyn Triggs, a gumshoe for 23 years and president of Professional Investigators Network Inc. in Glen Cove, LI. Triggs recently used a drone to find an upstate man suspected of insurance fraud. Signs on his rural property warned that trespassers would be shot, so she sent in her 2-pound, foot-long Phantom 2 Vision quadcopter, which costs about $1,000. “He was supposedly fully disabled,” she said. “We knew he was active but couldn’t prove it because of the layout of the property. I couldn’t risk being shot.” So, as a drone hovered above, snapping images of the man chopping wood, Triggs manned the controls from behind a vehicle about 1,000 feet away.

PIs are also using drones to catch cheating spouses. Matthew Seifer recently pretended to test-fly a drone in Central Park. He was actually recording a husband fooling around with a female coworker from 100 feet away. “Sometimes the best thing is to be right there in plain sight,” said Seifer, president of Long Island- based Executive Investigations.“We had to get in and get out real quick,” he added. “We deployed a drone for eight minutes and got five minutes’ worth of video. That was the closure our client was looking for.”

In another recent case, Seifer was having trouble tailing a fast-driving Long Island doctor suspected of hanky-panky. So the PI parked behind a steakhouse where the doc had taken a lover. “We raised the drone above the restaurant, [and] he was engaged in a sexual act in the front seat of his car,” the investigator said.

“Clients are amazed,” Seifer said. “The drones are a game changer.”

http://nypost.com/2014/07/13/private-eyes-using-drones-to-nab-scammers-cheating-spouses/

Insect drones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cJv4O2zEOw

 If you're up to some hanky-panky better keep your eyes on the sky. I suspect its harder to get away with anything these days what with all the cameras and drones flying around looking for evidence or just spying for the hell of it. I recently saw a video [see link] about the military creating insect drones. They are hard to differentiate from the real insect. No doubt in the future these miniature drones will be of considerable use for the military and police but the threat of the government using them to illegally spy on citizens will be present as well. Is all this a good idea or should laws exist to control the uses of these things? Once the cat is out of the bag its hard getting it back in. What do you think?


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: roslinpl on July 16, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
It's kinda interesting.  I haven't got too many flying drones in my country.  All of them are handled by civilians and army is not yet using this freaking technology.

I think that there is always something bad in a good things.
I think drones are very cool as I love gadgets which are radio controlled.
And can handle a camera to the sky for YouTubers :-)

In a same way military drones are freaking me out ... but this is the future and soon many military vehicles will no need a human inside of it to steer.

This is scary ... but we won't stop it.  He must learn to deal with it.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: sana8410 on July 16, 2014, 02:06:51 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: roslinpl on July 16, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: umair127 on July 16, 2014, 02:26:44 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: Lethn on July 16, 2014, 02:28:58 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP33crds1tI

I also think I just realised how to make the American army waste all their ammunition if they ever invade us.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 02:31:37 PM
I'm waiting for the time when some drone will get my pizza in time while still being hot. :)
People should also think on the positive ways these things can be used.

PS.
Of course i'll be paying with btc for that pizza :).


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: sana8410 on July 16, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: umair127 on July 16, 2014, 02:38:00 PM
I'm waiting for the time when some drone will get my pizza in time while still being hot. :)
People should also think on the positive ways these things can be used.

PS.
Of course i'll be paying with btc for that pizza :).
i already pay btc for my pizza, but only in restaurant ,but having your pizza being delivered by drones...that i would love to see, plus no more tips......


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: zolace on July 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM
  I think drones are another piece of technology that could come back and bite us in the Ass.  Who will be using these drones and just how much legal weight will the pictures from them have.  If they are flying over my  place and spy on me isn't that taking away my privacy rights.  Where will this go.  Good or bad what do you think..


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: Rigon on July 16, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
Private eyes using drones to catch cheating spouses

Investigators are taking drones to new heights — using the remote-controlled aircraft to catch New Yorkers cheating on spouses, lying about disabilities and endangering their kids.

“People want you to believe there’s all this negativity associated with drones . . . but they could be a very helpful tool,” said Olwyn Triggs, a gumshoe for 23 years and president of Professional Investigators Network Inc. in Glen Cove, LI. Triggs recently used a drone to find an upstate man suspected of insurance fraud. Signs on his rural property warned that trespassers would be shot, so she sent in her 2-pound, foot-long Phantom 2 Vision quadcopter, which costs about $1,000. “He was supposedly fully disabled,” she said. “We knew he was active but couldn’t prove it because of the layout of the property. I couldn’t risk being shot.” So, as a drone hovered above, snapping images of the man chopping wood, Triggs manned the controls from behind a vehicle about 1,000 feet away.

PIs are also using drones to catch cheating spouses. Matthew Seifer recently pretended to test-fly a drone in Central Park. He was actually recording a husband fooling around with a female coworker from 100 feet away. “Sometimes the best thing is to be right there in plain sight,” said Seifer, president of Long Island- based Executive Investigations.“We had to get in and get out real quick,” he added. “We deployed a drone for eight minutes and got five minutes’ worth of video. That was the closure our client was looking for.”

In another recent case, Seifer was having trouble tailing a fast-driving Long Island doctor suspected of hanky-panky. So the PI parked behind a steakhouse where the doc had taken a lover. “We raised the drone above the restaurant, [and] he was engaged in a sexual act in the front seat of his car,” the investigator said.

“Clients are amazed,” Seifer said. “The drones are a game changer.”

http://nypost.com/2014/07/13/private-eyes-using-drones-to-nab-scammers-cheating-spouses/

Insect drones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cJv4O2zEOw

 If you're up to some hanky-panky better keep your eyes on the sky. I suspect its harder to get away with anything these days what with all the cameras and drones flying around looking for evidence or just spying for the hell of it. I recently saw a video [see link] about the military creating insect drones. They are hard to differentiate from the real insect. No doubt in the future these miniature drones will be of considerable use for the military and police but the threat of the government using them to illegally spy on citizens will be present as well. Is all this a good idea or should laws exist to control the uses of these things? Once the cat is out of the bag its hard getting it back in. What do you think?
There needs to be some legal constraints on what can be done with a drone. I am not totally against them, but I think there needs to be some legislation on them.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: RodeoX on July 16, 2014, 02:51:59 PM
Great, then I'm building a drone to spy on the government!  ;)

Countermeasures:


http://www.instructables.com/id/RF-Jammer/
Something like this for your rooftop.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/shotguns/model-870-express-tactical-magpul-fde.aspx
This is your Ak-ak.

http://www.net-gun.com/
Or maybe you could catch one?



Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: noviapriani on July 16, 2014, 02:56:05 PM
I can see the day when the skies will be thick with drones.Amazon is already working on using drones to deliver packages.
That said I do think that there should be some legal limitations on drones spying on people who are on private property.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: umair127 on July 16, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol
Not unless he had killed our outdoor dogs, and "IF" he had NOT, we would know he was coming before he arrived. I have never shot at a plane flying over my property, however, an uninvited drone is burned toast.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: roslinpl on July 16, 2014, 03:38:37 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP33crds1tI

I also think I just realised how to make the American army waste all their ammunition if they ever invade us.

Send 10000 drones to the military area and wait few hours :D then you can takeover whole area with no bulletproof vest :)




Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: sana8410 on July 16, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol
Not unless he had killed our outdoor dogs, and "IF" he had NOT, we would know he was coming before he arrived. I have never shot at a plane flying over my property, however, an uninvited drone is burned toast.
Good policy Umair.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 03:39:44 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol
Not unless he had killed our outdoor dogs, and "IF" he had NOT, we would know he was coming before he arrived. I have never shot at a plane flying over my property, however, an uninvited drone is burned toast.

And that is because you can't shot an airplane but you can shot a drone.
You seem to act like a 8yo bully.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: cryptasm on July 16, 2014, 03:54:41 PM
Yeah can't really see drones as being a good thing, I doubt the general public will be allowed to use them without a license.



Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
Yeah can't really see drones as being a good thing, I doubt the general public will be allowed to use them without a license.



Why not?
Having a drone deliver packages and reducing traffic in the streets not to mention delays in delivery?
You have a flat tire , no spare and you can call a drone service to deliver you a spare rather than waiting for hours for a free mechanic? Or anything else than you run out of or broke down?
Rather than spending hours each day walking around inspecting your farm and its fence you can send a drone to do that and you check the videos back home ?






Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: cryptasm on July 16, 2014, 04:05:37 PM
Yeah can't really see drones as being a good thing, I doubt the general public will be allowed to use them without a license.
Why not?
Having a drone deliver packages and reducing traffic in the streets not to mention delays in delivery?
You have a flat tire , no spare and you can call a drone service to deliver you a spare rather than waiting for hours for a free mechanic? Or anything else than you run out of or broke down?
Rather than spending hours each day walking around inspecting your farm and its fence you can send a drone to do that and you check the videos back home ?
Sure there are lots of positive reasons for drones but like most technology I can only see them being used against us eventually. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic  ;D


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 16, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
Yeah can't really see drones as being a good thing, I doubt the general public will be allowed to use them without a license.
Why not?
Having a drone deliver packages and reducing traffic in the streets not to mention delays in delivery?
You have a flat tire , no spare and you can call a drone service to deliver you a spare rather than waiting for hours for a free mechanic? Or anything else than you run out of or broke down?
Rather than spending hours each day walking around inspecting your farm and its fence you can send a drone to do that and you check the videos back home ?
Sure there are lots of positive reasons for drones but like most technology I can only see them being used against us eventually. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic  ;D

So computers and bitcoin are used only against people?


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: zolace on July 16, 2014, 04:10:06 PM
We've come to a point that except for when you are in your bathroom...you should understand that you are being watched.  


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: sana8410 on July 16, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
We've come to a point that except for when you are in your bathroom...you should understand that you are being watched.  
We still need NEVER make that easy, and we can make it very expensive for their privacy violations. I intentionally do many transactions in cash, especially those over $10K, and then delay my responses.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: Jason on July 17, 2014, 02:57:50 AM
Countermeasures:

http://www.instructables.com/id/RF-Jammer/
Something like this for your rooftop.


The jammer you reference above won't work on most drones.  Many (most?) consumer-type drones operate in the 2.4 GHz band, which is far above where that jammer operates.  Instead, you'll want to grab one of the cheap Chinese jammers for the wifi band and use it.  If you are based in the US beware that the US government is starting to crack down on RF jammers imported into the country and is even talking about going after consumers:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fcc-levels-record-fine-against-chinese-maker-of-cellphone-jammers-1403205812

Still, the legal risks are probably much lower than the risk of firing a gun at one of these unless you live in a rural area where discharge of firearms is not prohibited.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: Benjig on July 17, 2014, 03:21:53 AM
If they are spying me from 1000 feets away i wouldnt think twice to shot them down from 1200 feets away with a barret m82 sniper rifle.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: pungopete468 on July 17, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
Good luck shooting down a drone...
An RC plane is tough enough to hit with a shotgun, much less with a rifle at a greater distance...

The other problem is determining the distance, especially when you don't know the relative size...

Save your ammo and if you're really afraid of drones then start looking into powerful lasers and fine optics...

I love the drone delivery idea! I would love to open a drone-delivery pizza shop and get that first mover advantage!


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 17, 2014, 02:47:45 PM
If they are spying me from 1000 feets away i wouldnt think twice to shot them down from 1200 feets away with a barret m82 sniper rifle.

In 10 years there will be spying (if they want) from 10 km and see how slices of salami you have on your pizza.
Good luck targeting something at that distance.

I really don't get why people have so much against those drones...


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: roslinpl on July 17, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
If they are spying me from 1000 feets away i wouldnt think twice to shot them down from 1200 feets away with a barret m82 sniper rifle.

In 10 years there will be spying (if they want) from 10 km and see how slices of salami you have on your pizza.
Good luck targeting something at that distance.

I really don't get why people have so much against those drones...

I am not against till those drones are not shooting at me or recording my privacy for some global network (yes Aiden Pierce, some network like ctOS).


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 17, 2014, 03:16:02 PM
If they are spying me from 1000 feets away i wouldnt think twice to shot them down from 1200 feets away with a barret m82 sniper rifle.

In 10 years there will be spying (if they want) from 10 km and see how slices of salami you have on your pizza.
Good luck targeting something at that distance.

I really don't get why people have so much against those drones...

I am not against till those drones are not shooting at me or recording my privacy for some global network (yes Aiden Pierce, some network like ctOS).

Reading through these threads I'm starting to believe the more people are concerned about their privacy the more they are likely to have something to hide from the law and doing something illegal in their basement.



Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: RodeoX on July 17, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
Countermeasures:

http://www.instructables.com/id/RF-Jammer/
Something like this for your rooftop.


The jammer you reference above won't work on most drones.  Many (most?) consumer-type drones operate in the 2.4 GHz band, which is far above where that jammer operates.  Instead, you'll want to grab one of the cheap Chinese jammers for the wifi band and use it.  If you are based in the US beware that the US government is starting to crack down on RF jammers imported into the country and is even talking about going after consumers:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/fcc-levels-record-fine-against-chinese-maker-of-cellphone-jammers-1403205812

Still, the legal risks are probably much lower than the risk of firing a gun at one of these unless you live in a rural area where discharge of firearms is not prohibited.

I kinda thought the frequency would be wrong. But in concept I think jamming with a dirty, broad spectrum broadcast would be your best countermeasure. It would be very hard to detect compared to a shotgun blast.
If you really knew what you were doing you might even be able to connect to the datastream from the camera. Then you could get a look at the drone operators when they recover the bird. This was done to U.S. drones like the MQ-9. If I remember correctly, it could be done cheaply with off the shelf gear.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: roslinpl on July 17, 2014, 03:37:16 PM
If they are spying me from 1000 feets away i wouldnt think twice to shot them down from 1200 feets away with a barret m82 sniper rifle.

In 10 years there will be spying (if they want) from 10 km and see how slices of salami you have on your pizza.
Good luck targeting something at that distance.

I really don't get why people have so much against those drones...

I am not against till those drones are not shooting at me or recording my privacy for some global network (yes Aiden Pierce, some network like ctOS).

Reading through these threads I'm starting to believe the more people are concerned about their privacy the more they are likely to have something to hide from the law and doing something illegal in their basement.



Hue hue. I am not hiding anything but I don't want some drone to fly over my place and record through the window me while doing romances to my gf :-) for example.

I don't want drones to became flying cctvs which will record you while you are walking to a place of work or things like that.
It is not because I have something to hide it is because people need privacy to stay in good mental health conditions :-)

But like I told before I see many good ways of how the drones can be used.


Title: Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way!
Post by: niothor on July 17, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
If they are spying me from 1000 feets away i wouldnt think twice to shot them down from 1200 feets away with a barret m82 sniper rifle.

In 10 years there will be spying (if they want) from 10 km and see how slices of salami you have on your pizza.
Good luck targeting something at that distance.

I really don't get why people have so much against those drones...

I am not against till those drones are not shooting at me or recording my privacy for some global network (yes Aiden Pierce, some network like ctOS).

Reading through these threads I'm starting to believe the more people are concerned about their privacy the more they are likely to have something to hide from the law and doing something illegal in their basement.



Hue hue. I am not hiding anything but I don't want some drone to fly over my place and record through the window me while doing romances to my gf :-) for example.

I don't want drones to became flying cctvs which will record you while you are walking to a place of work or things like that.
It is not because I have something to hide it is because people need privacy to stay in good mental health conditions :-)

But like I told before I see many good ways of how the drones can be used.


I'm always looking at the bright side...

I had a friend who was accused by his ex girlfriend of rape and robbery.
He was saved by a camera that recorded him 100 km away in another town at the time of the supposed crime.

For a while after this I even took the habit of smiling and waving at security cameras at atm , gas station and even when entering a mall. :).