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Title: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: btc-mike on July 16, 2014, 06:04:47 PM Good News Everybody!
We are proud to announce that we're starting a series of presentations in which we'll explain Boolberry's unique and very important features. We've created an easy-to-understand presentation that explains how Boolberry solves CryptoNote flaws. In this first presentation, you'll find out how Boolberry provides guaranteed privacy, while other CryptoNote coins cannot. http://oi59.tinypic.com/ampchz.jpg (http://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-solves-cryptonoteflaws-37055246) > Download Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf (http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf) Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: cryptocointools on July 16, 2014, 06:11:48 PM Very impressive :)
Good work on the slides as well. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: surfer43 on July 16, 2014, 06:28:42 PM Very impressive :) +1Good work on the slides as well. Gets across the guaranteed anonymity well. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: btc-mike on July 16, 2014, 08:49:59 PM Very impressive :) +1Good work on the slides as well. Gets across the guaranteed anonymity well. mean things removed Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: fluffypony on July 16, 2014, 09:05:10 PM Very impressive :) +1Good work on the slides as well. Gets across the guaranteed anonymity well. [mean things subsequently removed] *raises eyebrow* We've only ever had good things to say about Boolberry publicly and privately, and have exchanged both code and ideas with CryptoZoidberg over the aisle. You'd do well to think carefully about spewing puerile vitriol as a representative of Boolberry, Michael. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: btc-mike on July 16, 2014, 09:07:25 PM Very impressive :) +1Good work on the slides as well. Gets across the guaranteed anonymity well. .... *raises eyebrow* We've only ever had good things to say about Boolberry publicly and privately, and have exchanged both code and ideas with CryptoZoidberg over the aisle. You'd do well to think carefully about spewing puerile vitriol as a representative of Boolberry, Michael. Your right, I removed. And please don't call me Michael. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: maxcan on July 16, 2014, 09:22:20 PM After the months of scam coins and half-baked near-clones, it's so good that innovators like XMR and BBR are the cream rising to the top.
Looking forward to the months to come! Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: booletic on July 16, 2014, 09:31:42 PM Well done :)
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: somacoin on July 16, 2014, 09:37:43 PM Great! But the name ???
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: Brilliantrocket on July 16, 2014, 10:32:57 PM If I ever choose to invest in a CN coin, it'll definitely be Boolberry. I like a coin with devs that you know, actually develop. The other CN coins just copy off of crypto zoidberg's work.
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: rethink-your-strategy on July 16, 2014, 10:59:53 PM If I ever choose to invest in a CN coin, it'll definitely be Boolberry. I like a coin with devs that you know, actually develop. The other CN coins just copy off of crypto zoidberg's work. I like Boolberry and Monero, and you're being a fucktard: https://i.imgur.com/swxwVgX.png https://i.imgur.com/9CbTXZU.png XMR and BBR get code from each other, and have code they do themselves. All other CN coins are piece of shit scamcoins. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: Bitcrea on July 16, 2014, 11:31:19 PM Great! But the name ??? Let me say that once and for all. Boolberry is a great name for such project. I have a strong background in branding, brand identity design, creative direction, so I've worked on various products and I do know these things. From that perspective, Boolberry is one of the best names in cryptocurrency. It is simple. That means easy to remember. It is memorable. That means it is different from others. It is unique. That means it has it's own face. You wont get confused like you would with various ***coin names. Not to mention that .com domain is really important and Boolberry has that. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: superresistant on July 17, 2014, 04:16:29 PM Wow nice. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: edubai on July 17, 2014, 04:48:07 PM Great Work Guys, Now everyone is rushing to get more Boolberries ! :-*
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: enerbyte on July 17, 2014, 09:25:02 PM Hi!
I made a Spanish translation of the presentation "Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws". Cheers! thread in Spanish: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=699105.0 BBR: @enerbyte :D Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: btc-mike on July 17, 2014, 09:36:29 PM Thanks for all the positive feedback
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: Lordoftherigs on July 25, 2014, 12:10:53 PM Great! But the name ??? Let me say that once and for all. Boolberry is a great name for such project. I have a strong background in branding, brand identity design, creative direction, so I've worked on various products and I do know these things. From that perspective, Boolberry is one of the best names in cryptocurrency. It is simple. That means easy to remember. It is memorable. That means it is different from others. It is unique. That means it has it's own face. You wont get confused like you would with various ***coin names. Not to mention that .com domain is really important and Boolberry has that. +1 all hail boolberry :) Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: bbreconomy on March 20, 2015, 02:10:24 PM With the increased volume of BBR the last few days, I thought it would be smart to bump this thread.
BBR is not identical to other CryptoNote Coins. With Supernet on its way (which we are a part of) we want everyone to see what unique features we have to offer Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: MaxDZ8 on March 21, 2015, 06:20:48 AM I think it's worth stressing that after the BBR team noted the problem with traceability, the rest of the Cryptonote community seemed to be oblivious of the problem for quite some time. It was later declared "a minor issue" to be fixed with a "minor" GUI improvement... last time I checked (but that was some time ago) the modification was still not there. Go wonder.
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: fluffypony on March 21, 2015, 07:50:16 PM I think it's worth stressing that after the BBR team noted the problem with traceability, the rest of the Cryptonote community seemed to be oblivious of the problem for quite some time. It was later declared "a minor issue" to be fixed with a "minor" GUI improvement... last time I checked (but that was some time ago) the modification was still not there. Go wonder. On the contrary, the very first Research Bulletin (MRL-0001) (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf) that the Monero Research Lab published identified the same problem with mixin=0 transactions, and provided a detailed analysis of the problem. This was only published after CryptoZoidberg detailed his change. In fact, the Monero Research Lab only came together well after this thread was started;) Subsequent to that, the release of MRL-0004 (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf) shows how to actually solve that problem (without any of the tx flag drawbacks (https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=239)), and also shows how Monero addresses the unmixable dust problem, how it fixes the CryptoNote flaw of temporal output associations, and the association-by-use attack that other CryptoNote currencies are susceptible to. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: MaxDZ8 on March 22, 2015, 02:15:26 PM I'm pretty sure last time I asked on reddit I was told the fix was still not there.
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: benthach on March 27, 2015, 02:08:30 PM I think it's worth stressing that after the BBR team noted the problem with traceability, the rest of the Cryptonote community seemed to be oblivious of the problem for quite some time. It was later declared "a minor issue" to be fixed with a "minor" GUI improvement... last time I checked (but that was some time ago) the modification was still not there. Go wonder. On the contrary, the very first Research Bulletin (MRL-0001) (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf) that the Monero Research Lab published identified the same problem with mixin=0 transactions, and provided a detailed analysis of the problem. This was only published after CryptoZoidberg detailed his change. In fact, the Monero Research Lab only came together well after this thread was started;) Subsequent to that, the release of MRL-0004 (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf) shows how to actually solve that problem (without any of the tx flag drawbacks (https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=239)), and also shows how Monero addresses the unmixable dust problem, how it fixes the CryptoNote flaw of temporal output associations, and the association-by-use attack that other CryptoNote currencies are susceptible to. can you make some points that make monero is better than others cryptonote? Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: bbreconomy on March 31, 2015, 04:38:45 AM I think it's worth stressing that after the BBR team noted the problem with traceability, the rest of the Cryptonote community seemed to be oblivious of the problem for quite some time. It was later declared "a minor issue" to be fixed with a "minor" GUI improvement... last time I checked (but that was some time ago) the modification was still not there. Go wonder. On the contrary, the very first Research Bulletin (MRL-0001) (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf) that the Monero Research Lab published identified the same problem with mixin=0 transactions, and provided a detailed analysis of the problem. This was only published after CryptoZoidberg detailed his change. In fact, the Monero Research Lab only came together well after this thread was started;) Subsequent to that, the release of MRL-0004 (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf) shows how to actually solve that problem (without any of the tx flag drawbacks (https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=239)), and also shows how Monero addresses the unmixable dust problem, how it fixes the CryptoNote flaw of temporal output associations, and the association-by-use attack that other CryptoNote currencies are susceptible to. can you make some points that make monero is better than others cryptonote? This is a Boolberry thread and some of the BBR advantages are mention in the OP. That being said I think XMR has some advantages too, most importantly is the relatively larger size of their community at the moment. Boolberry has some technical advantages but a smaller community. Luckily our extremely slow distribution curve will allow others to easily join the community as we grow. Supernet, our GUI wallet and plans to build a BBR economy will be noticed by a wider audience soon. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: sgk on March 31, 2015, 05:16:55 AM I think it's worth stressing that after the BBR team noted the problem with traceability, the rest of the Cryptonote community seemed to be oblivious of the problem for quite some time. It was later declared "a minor issue" to be fixed with a "minor" GUI improvement... last time I checked (but that was some time ago) the modification was still not there. Go wonder. So Boolberry is the only cryptonote coin right now to have successfully 'fixed' the traceability issue of mixing=0 transactions? Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: GTO911 on March 31, 2015, 06:51:21 AM So Boolberry is the only cryptonote coin right now to have successfully 'fixed' the traceability issue of mixing=0 transactions? Monero has fixed it by banning 0 mixins. A minimum mixin will be enforced Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: LucyLovesCrypto on March 31, 2015, 08:00:25 AM So Boolberry is the only cryptonote coin right now to have successfully 'fixed' the traceability issue of mixing=0 transactions? Monero has fixed it by banning 0 mixins. A minimum mixin will be enforced This is absolutely incorrect. Monero will likely fix this in the future but it has not happened yet. For proof request a withdraw from Poloniex. They still use a mixin of 0 for every transaction. My understanding is that part of the problem is some people mining to Poloniex directly thereby creating lots of small "dust" transactions that would be expensive to deal with with a mixin higher than 0. Monero still allows a mixin of 0 which is a major problem ithat Boolberry has ALREADY addressed at the protocol level Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: GTO911 on March 31, 2015, 08:02:26 AM Please read clearly before posting Quote A minimum mixin will be enforced Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: LucyLovesCrypto on March 31, 2015, 10:24:18 PM Please read clearly before posting Quote A minimum mixin will be enforced I read more carefully than you. You just copied a portion of the relevant quote to hide the full context of my comment. "Monero has fixed it by banning 0 mixins. A minimum mixin will be enforced" If you change "has" to "will" in the first part of the quote then I have no objection. I believe XMR will eventually fix this. It just has not happened yet. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: smooth on April 01, 2015, 08:59:47 AM So Boolberry is the only cryptonote coin right now to have successfully 'fixed' the traceability issue of mixing=0 transactions? Monero has fixed it by banning 0 mixins. A minimum mixin will be enforced This is absolutely incorrect. Monero will likely fix this in the future but it has not happened yet. For proof request a withdraw from Poloniex. They still use a mixin of 0 for every transaction. My understanding is that part of the problem is some people mining to Poloniex directly thereby creating lots of small "dust" transactions that would be expensive to deal with with a mixin higher than 0. Monero still allows a mixin of 0 which is a major problem ithat Boolberry has ALREADY addressed at the protocol level Not entirely. BBR allows minimum mix factor to be specified by the sender on outputs. But it doesn't require it and there is not really any incentive for the sender to use it (his transaction is already mixed on the input side, so what does the sender much care what the recipient does?). Nor is there any way to require that someone who is sending you coins use it, so you may get coins with no minimum set and the exact same issues as before (in fact the sender can do this deliberately to undermine the recipient's privacy). Finally the sender can impose arbitrary costs on the recipient by setting a high value. If BBR imposed a minimum or required value on the minimum mix factor on outputs, that would be about the same as what Monero is doing, but that hasn't been done either. The comment about the minimum not being enforced in Monero yet is correct. We do have a default mix factor in github but not in any build yet. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: bbreconomy on July 07, 2015, 07:41:16 PM I am bumping this thread to remind everyone of the importance of this issue.
Shapeshift, poloniex, bittrex, mining pools, etc should all use a minimim mixin # to protect the privacy of their users. If necessary impose higher withdraw fees or larger minimum deposits. If you are a miner, never mine directly to an exchange! Too many dust transactions make the cost of using a higher mixin # higher Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: bbreconomy on July 30, 2015, 06:15:44 AM Supernet update below. Join slack if you want to track things more carefully. This coin offers many new ideas and works well already with a user friendly GUI, mixin improvements and a smaller blockchain for faster synching
Proof that BBR is still going to be an important part of supernet (from today): you can join at : https://sprnt.slack.com bbreconomy how is teleport integration doing? bbreconomy many cryptonote fans are excited about its inclusion in supernet bbreconomy I think a lot of monero believers will join supernet too if bbr is included soon bbreconomy it has a nice gui already unlike xmr and supernet is creating a nice economy jl777 some details of the teleport have changed, but once it is finalized, then there will be a specific task for the BBR to perform jl777 I am envisioning a trustless mixing using BBR ringsigs, so to combine teleport, mixing and ring sigs bbreconomy thanks jI777. glad to know you still plan to feature BBR for ring sigs It is unreasonable to expect users to jump through proprietary hoops like Slack in order to obtain updates about a project previously promoted publicly. Many months after jl777's announcement, BBR integration is still in the "envisioning" stage. Just like everything else to do with SuperNet...lots of vaporware and visions but nothing real and working to show for it. Not entirely vaporware, in terms of BBR at least: CZ mentioned a while back that the integration was done on the BBR side and that appears to be the case: https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/14eba55b4a496f2f04f5ad33891fe9f172b7d3db https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/8fe1aa050c49dbabd3e09d82473b0bc1b113fdc7 https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/28995ed64f844891c11a14e268550797e4cd5e08 https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/efa3e9fa03ad6427fee335b4f466ab45ef079c7f https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/d99dc8018f955989a76e43af0b62424a4e84767b https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/d188d7a053e6124d0006eebeddafcff332b79cb1 I do not know what is going on from the "SuperNET" side, nor do I care. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: benthach on July 30, 2015, 06:51:52 AM boolberry is the better coin than any cryptonote, include shitcoin like monero. boolberry have better code and security.
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: mathgal23 on August 01, 2015, 06:15:08 AM It is nice to be hearing more about Boolberry again. The coin had an extremely fair launch and has many nice features. I really feel like it was overlooked
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: mathgal23 on August 01, 2015, 06:21:51 AM I found another presentation on the same page as the original post
This one deals with blockchain bloat: http://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-reduces-blockchain-bloat Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on August 01, 2015, 08:19:03 PM It is nice to be hearing more about Boolberry again. The coin had an extremely fair launch and has many nice features. I really feel like it was overlooked There has not been much marketing focus yet. Just like bitcoin, most early efforts have been focused on technology. When the time is right, exposure will increase. Luckily for latecomers, boolberry has one of the most rational emission curves among the major cryptonote coins. There was no massive premine or fastmine of BBR https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/627100158073942016 Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: smooth on August 02, 2015, 01:03:40 AM There was no massive premine or fastmine of BBR I agree. To be more precise there was no premine or fastmine at all. The per-block developer payment is a bit like a premine though, especially how it is structured (negative votes just defer payment, they don't actually reduce the total amount given to the developer, which is fixed at 1% of the total). Still that is not at all massive by the standards of other coins with a developer coin grab. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on August 02, 2015, 12:20:40 PM There was no massive premine or fastmine of BBR I agree. To be more precise there was no premine or fastmine at all. The per-block developer payment is a bit like a premine though, especially how it is structured (negative votes just defer payment, they don't actually reduce the total amount given to the developer, which is fixed at 1% of the total). Still that is not at all massive by the standards of other coins with a developer coin grab. You are correct. No fastmine or premine. Developer payment was disclosed since the beginning. If Boolberry was just a simple clone, nobody would want to mine it and reward the developer. Luckily many people do recognize the innovation at boolberry and find the developer payment very reasonable I should note that community development donations for many coins including AEON which you are working on far exceed 1%. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641696.msg11986798#msg11986798 AEON info from your quote: "Donation fund: balance: 414176.048419687951, unlocked balance: 414165.931766313195 Previously spent: 19000 (bounties)" 414,176/18,4000,000 = 2.25 % Your current donations as a percentage of all coins that will ever be mined (excluding your current tail emission proposal) far exceeds that of Boolberry Most developers will not work for free so funding is important. As long as everything is transparent (as it is with both Boolberry and Aeon) I see no problems Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: smooth on August 02, 2015, 02:46:08 PM There was no massive premine or fastmine of BBR I agree. To be more precise there was no premine or fastmine at all. The per-block developer payment is a bit like a premine though, especially how it is structured (negative votes just defer payment, they don't actually reduce the total amount given to the developer, which is fixed at 1% of the total). Still that is not at all massive by the standards of other coins with a developer coin grab. You are correct. No fastmine or premine. Developer payment was disclosed since the beginning. I agree 100%. Although not relevant to BBR, I've even said that an actual up-front premine, as long as it is honestly disclosed up front, is legitimate. People may buy or not buy it is up to them, at least there is nothing fraudulent about it. In any case everything about the BBR parameters was properly disclosed. Quote I should note that community development donations for many coins including AEON which you are working on far exceed 1%. Yes, and you might want to consider donations for BBR. 1% of the block rewards is not very much. Donations apparently work better. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on August 03, 2015, 01:11:25 AM Announcement!
Boolberry has been invited by a Monero subreddit moderator to discuss BBR in their subreddit. Come join the discussion. Lets be thankful and polite as guests in their subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3fjs1s/monthly_monero_altcoin_discussion_mmad_august/ctp97p7 This is a good opportunity for us. Please participate in the discussion. Even if you love Boolberry you may learn a few things and decide to start supporting Monero as well Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: HCLivess on August 03, 2015, 07:33:50 AM So now monero actually needs a different coin to manage it's reputation?
outrage Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: poloskarted on August 03, 2015, 10:28:57 AM BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.
It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on August 03, 2015, 04:30:50 PM BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on. It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh. I agree with some of your comments regarding the size and quality of the Monero community. Boolberry is much smaller but does have a community. SupernNet will help BBR gain some more publicity and grow larger. Our comparatively slow emission schedule is very friendly to adding new community members right now! I like Monero but Boolberry does have some unique advantages and there is room for more than 1 successful CryptoNote coin. There is also a fair amount of community overlap. It is helpful for coins to experiment with different ideas and learn from each others success and failures. Monero and Boolberry are not mere clones. They can coexist. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on August 19, 2015, 05:08:36 AM Its time to get more active on social media and emphasize why Boolberry is important and unique. Lets start here:
On blockchain bloat: https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/3hjmuc/cryptonote_blockchain_bloat_and_the_unique https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/633855890945257472 source: http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf On mixins and their impact on CryptoNote unlinkability: https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/3hjmfl/mixins_and_their_impact_on_cryptonote https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/633859728884367362 source: http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf Feel free to share this information with anyone who cares about privacy. Boolberry truly is one of a kind. Many technical advantages a fair launch and a user friendly GUI. Price remains low because there has not been much marketing or visibility yet. Lets focus on introducing more people to Boolberry so that we can gain some market adoption. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: funnyman21 on August 23, 2015, 03:57:57 AM BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on. It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh. Betamax vs. VHS may have a different outcome this time. My money is on the coin with the best tech. Go Boolberry! Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: languagehasmeaning on August 28, 2015, 12:35:45 PM BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on. It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh. Betamax vs. VHS may have a different outcome this time. My money is on the coin with the best tech. Go Boolberry! I think CryptoNote coins should try to get along (except the big premine scam coin). Instead focus on proving anonymity superiority over CoinJoin based coins Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: smooth on August 28, 2015, 12:39:19 PM BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on. It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh. Betamax vs. VHS may have a different outcome this time. My money is on the coin with the best tech. Go Boolberry! I think CryptoNote coins should try to get along (except the big premine scam coin). Instead focus on proving anonymity superiority over CoinJoin based coins There is nothing to prove. That ship sailed a long time ago. For example. https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/622022840330682368 He happened to mention the biggest and most well known one but in terms of anonymity superiority over ad-hoc solutions with no proven or provable cryptographic security they are largely equivalent to each other. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: LucyLovesCrypto on August 28, 2015, 07:11:14 PM Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner
Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: AnonCoinTwitter on August 30, 2015, 08:16:42 AM Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: newb4now on September 05, 2015, 10:37:24 PM Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: owm123 on September 05, 2015, 11:20:21 PM Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it People havent heard about many other coins that are 'the best' in something. Most people dont care about underlying technology They just want to know how they can use bbr and how it will benefit them more than using btc, monero, shadow or whatever? And trading in circles in polonix without any real life use, is not very attractive. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: smooth on September 05, 2015, 11:55:35 PM Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it People havent heard about many other coins that are 'the best' in something. Most people dont care about underlying technology They just want to know how they can use bbr and how it will benefit them more than using btc, monero, shadow or whatever? And trading in circles in polonix without any real life use, is not very attractive. Look, neither technology nor marketing really matters at this point in time in crypto. Everything is getting crushed. Sure there are pumps (today it is Bitshares, Litecoin, and a few others) but once the pump is over and we return to the regularly scheduled program, the march toward zero continues everywhere. I doubt there is anything to be done at this point other than try to wait out the storm and prepare for sunnier days ahead, in case they come. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: Liquid71 on September 06, 2015, 05:55:30 AM Zoidberg is active again. he recently posted in the boolberry thread talking about a GUI miner That is good to see. BBR is my favorite cryptonote coin because of its technical advantages. Nevertheless, Monero remains the leader because of more recent development activity. If cryptozoidberg becomes more active again that could change I still think marketing is more important than development right now. Boolberry already is one of the most advanced cryptonote clones and arguable "the best" in several ways. Yet many people have not even heard of it People havent heard about many other coins that are 'the best' in something. Most people dont care about underlying technology They just want to know how they can use bbr and how it will benefit them more than using btc, monero, shadow or whatever? And trading in circles in polonix without any real life use, is not very attractive. Look, neither technology nor marketing really matters at this point in time in crypto. Everything is getting crushed. Sure there are pumps (today it is Bitshares, Litecoin, and a few others) but once the pump is over and we return to the regularly scheduled program, the march toward zero continues everywhere. I doubt there is anything to be done at this point other than try to wait out the storm and prepare for sunnier days ahead, in case they come. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: bbreconomy on September 11, 2015, 08:56:10 PM update from cryptozoidberg!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12393633#msg12393633 leveldb Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on September 21, 2015, 03:00:04 AM update from cryptozoidberg! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12393633#msg12393633 leveldb This is a major project and it will take some time to transition (and test) everything but it will be very helpful going forward. Boolberry has many exciting things ahead! Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: owm123 on September 21, 2015, 04:33:36 AM update from cryptozoidberg! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12393633#msg12393633 leveldb This is a major project and it will take some time to transition (and test) everything but it will be very helpful going forward. Boolberry has many exciting things ahead! How does boolberry compare to monero? What is better, what is worse? Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: boolberry on September 21, 2015, 04:51:01 AM update from cryptozoidberg! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12393633#msg12393633 leveldb This is a major project and it will take some time to transition (and test) everything but it will be very helpful going forward. Boolberry has many exciting things ahead! How does boolberry compare to monero? What is better, what is worse? I like Monero and it clearly has a much larger community than Boolberry. There are several things I prefer about Boolberry but I don't like to use the terms "better" or "worse". Lets use the term "different". There is a lot of BBR and XMR community overlap and we try to help each other. If you are interested in learning more here are a few of our technical differences (besides an official GUI which I think is not a huge deal because Monero has unofficial GUIs already and a web walet) http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf (mixin issue as they relate to anonymity) http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf (pruning issues and blockchain bloat) Boolberry also has a much slower emission schedule than Monero (xmr is 50% mined excluding tail emission as of this month). There are pros and cons to this. This is the current Boolberry development focus which quotes a fair critique from a Monero core dev (smooth) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12454282#msg12454282 Most of things that distinguish Boolberry are technical right now. Monero is clearly ahead in adoption and services such as xmr.to and cryptokingdom help the monero economy. Boolberry needs to work on increasing usage and development of supporting services cointopay.com recently added support for Boolberry which is a good start for us. We have many ideas but some of them will take time. Title: Re: Boolberry Solves CryptoNote Flaws Post by: smooth on September 21, 2015, 05:23:32 AM Boolberry also has a much slower emission schedule than Monero (xmr is 50% mined excluding tail emission as of this month). There are pros and cons to this. It's exactly half the speed (literally divided by two in the code). I not saying that you're being misleading but somehow when I personally read "much slower" I think of like 1/10 the speed or something, but that may just be my own odd interpretation of it. I was personally in favor of Monero running at something like half speed so I'm not criticizing here at all. |
