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http://lifenews.ru/news/136833

Indeed.

In English: http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Sounds interesting. I just tuned into the 3rd largest radio show here in America and the host (Michael Savage) was just scraping the surface on this. Isn't it quite helpful to Obama and the warmongerers that immigration and its related problems is completely off the map and now the focus can turned towards Russia? Immigration became the biggest issue in America recently and Obama's approval numbers were in the gutter and now this.. What would Russia stand to gain if they knowingly or unknowingly shot down a civilian aircraft? Nothing in the international community's eyes. Ukraine easily stands to gain as would any western intelligence agency trying to put Russia in a bind.

2 Kiev fighters near Malaysian aircraft registered.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/statuses/489813837013848065

Yeah , we should trust a twitter account with thousands of pro russian and anti israel tweets that is posting nonstop without more than 3 hours break for months =))))))))

What about US anti missile system installed in EU?
No info from there?

The anti-isreal tweets somehow makes this account less trustworthy because . . .

That system , which for your information is not yet completed is designed to take down ballistic missiles.
Not ground-air anti aircraft missiles.

Again sifting the blame ...

You and your friends who support those terrorist are to blame for those almost 300 lives.

You can't be anti-israel and pro US and Nato :)

Wait on black box better, Romanian adult webmaster.

How about if you just call it like you see it? How about... if they were neutral? As opposed to "pro Nato"?

Isreal is pretty obviously at fault

Lols , this coming from a guy with an adult videochat website in his signature.

But again , trying to reason with you and your broken English is too much of a hassle.

But if the Ukraine fighter planes is shooting the passenger plane they would have know it that is was the Malaysian Plane. The most plausible explanation is they are using missiles and the passenger plane is not really there target.

Another excellent question would be why in the world passenger jets are flying over active combat zones. Multiple aircraft have been shot down very recently in the same area. To have a flight path into a combat zone is at minimum gross negligence on the part of the airline.

Kiev maniacs publish "proof", about shooting FROM COSSAC ROAD BLOCK!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

This is new, S-300 or BUK on roadblock??

The Ukraine may have something to gain if they were trying to make it look like that Russia was behind this (they would likely get additional international assistance). Russia would have the same advantage if they were behind it and they were trying to make it look like that the Ukraine was trying to make it look like Russia did it.

I personally think that Russia was behind this as they have been the aggressor in much of this conflict and this appears to be an act of aggression. I am not entirely sure what they would be trying to achieve by shooting down a civilian aircraft however.

"Unknown missile" LOL
http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-over-ukrainian-airspace-1405612373


8 from 12 black box are just found.

I agree. Russia is not above false flag stuff. This is a country that shot up its own checkpoints in order to sway opinion against the Ukraine.

There is no actual proof about the presidential plane flying over that course

Even russian sources are denying it.

You are blind or You can found only "news" that You like?

http://russian.rt.com/article/41332

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

should I spell it out loud in ENGLISH you buffoon?

At the same time, there have been reports contradicting Intefax’s report that was the first and the only media source to publish the news, saying that Presidential plane was not flying over Ukraine at the same time.

As a source told Gazeta.ru online news portal, Putin’s plane does take off from Vnukovo-3 [the terminal that accepts business jets], but the president does not fly over the conflict-gripped neighboring country.

“Putin has only one jet – Board One, he does not fly other planes. This plane always takes off from Vnukovo-3, but the presidential plane have not been flying over Ukraine for a while,” the source at Vnukovo-3 terminal said.

And please only post news in English ...
It's a damn English forum here not a russian criminal organisation

Again , the title on your beloved commie propaganda newspaper:

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'

Are You trying to provoke the Moderator of this Forum?

Are You addicted by parallel reality disease?
If the news is not in English, that exist not?

Is there something about HOT Air Condition Systems (in English), that are listen for heavy capacity to attract anti aircraft missiles in that area?

http://img11.nnm.me/2/f/2/4/1/d76a413b65e12fc2a010a2ccb09.jpg

No , I am invoking god to get rid of such a pest.

I show you a material from russia today in which they claim the plane has never flied over Ukraine and you dismiss it as western propaganda.

You're a buffoon and nothing more.

RT report this flight on the same point over Varsavia.

Majority of Black boxes are just found. In next few hours i will love to see new fake versions from Kiev new Propaganda Office (http://atn.ua/politika/avakov-predlozhil-v-usloviyah-voyny-sozdat-ministerstvo-propagandy).

Russian presidential jet equipped with sophisticated missile launch warning system and different countermeasures would not be an easy target anyway.

Did you finally silenced marvel comics and it's propaganda and moved to the next one?

http://www.cnet.com/news/marvel-comics-investigated-by-russia-as-propaganda-of-violence

Niothor = Lost Dutchman  ?


A useful idiot or perhaps a paid moron, who knows. His white avatar gives him and his fellow internet-Warriors away very easy.

How easy is to spot the red commies
Who is not with us is against us  he is paid by the opposition.

This is why you Russians propaganda bots fail so miserably.
You direct your hate at everyone arguing with you , making any discussion impossible.

And if you have anything to say about my avatar .. where is yours?
Oh sorry , newbie account made just to post bullshit on the board.
Why I am not amazed?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/17/777-shot-down-over-ukraine/

Kolomoysky will prepare surprise to Poroshenko, connected to aircraft.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxASgsIAAApjck.jpg

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1807889

SBU fake audio is uploaded 2014-07-16 !

http://gmorder.livejournal.com/1113736.html

Black box for what... black box will never show that a rocket has been used.

Now pro-russian want to ship it to Russia, but first the plane has not crashed to Russia AFAIK , and this plane is not russian plane ... so why Russia would take it back ?

To make the same shit as they do for the crash plane in Smolensk ... where they mixed all bodies in the coffin ?

Prolem is => Now pro-russian claims , we have none of these weapons. What a lie.... 2 weeks ago they claims all over on russian media that they took 'Buk".

Then last week, they shutdown 2 military airplanes ... with ?? a throwing rock ? LoL , you think really you can put down a military plane with a AK47 ... be serious !

And hoo since long time this is no more citizen who are fighting there but solder from tcheteche / crimea ....

Does they do a mistake , hooo yes ... they took a civil aircraft as military one, why ?? Because these soldier are not trainned to use this kind of material.

And i will not expose all the printscreen about website those claiming that a new military plane has been shuttted down ... but too bad it was a civil one...

RIP to all these civil in this plane.

Why fake ... LoL you are engeneer and know these people to tell => they are not the people on these tape ?

Are you hired to make propaganda all the day LoL ?

Fake .. .funny Poutin speak changed laterly since the plane crash !

Does he tell => this is not our fault ? No , just => this is because war in Ukrainia ... , funny because poutine always rethoric strong before .... does he fear russian weapons has been used to put down this civil plane ?

They have Radar and monitoring device ... they know already who put down the plane ... be sure about !

Poutine would take no precaution to tell => Ukrainia Army put down the plane, does he do ? No !

And why Ukrainia Army would use Ground-Air missile ? Pro-Russian have no plane LoL ....

The boxes will be analysed by the international aviation authority. They are shipping them to Russia as they understandably do not trust Kiev now to "lose" or "accidentally damage" the boxes. The Smolensk disaster recorders were analysed by an international committee as well.

The flight data recorder will give information about the co-ordinates from where the missile was fired. Then it will be easier to ascertain who fired the missile (according to the latest regional control map).

The problem is, this could be just as easily an intelligence agency deliberately firing on the aircraft from a specific region to make things in the Ukraine even worse, it's a bit like Iraq where they faked the nuclear weapons and Iran currently where they are trying to claim they have nuclear weapons and that country doesn't even really have a proper air force.

A Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -8.89% plane carrying 283 passengers and 15 crew crashed Thursday in the battle-torn east Ukraine region of Donetsk, where U.S. intelligence agencies say it was struck by a ground-to-air missile.

"All roads lead to the Russians to some degree," said a U.S. official.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-over-ukrainian-airspace-1405612373?mod=trending_now_1
Version  about  ,,number  1,, with Putin     examined  not a single  serious source, other versions the more so..!!!

By the way, here is why it is shipped to Russia:

http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/

Dont say  nothing about  , rt--Russia tooday...It is not bloomberg,WSJ , CNN, BBS....RT---IS NOTHING..!!

I believe we have a mild case of troll infestation here...  ::)

I've heard that Putins plane was in the same air corridor as the Malaysian airliner
Coming from Brazil going back home so it is possible anyone know if this was confirmed true
Or was it a hoax.

This is com air.  They do not come equipped with any sort of radar warning receiver.  They cannot detect anti air missile launches.  Some airlines have looked into countermeasures against IR based man portable air defense systems but such a system would be useless against a radio guided SAM.  The best the black boxes will show is a loss of hydraulic pressure caused by the missile explosion and the subsequent futile efforts of the flight crew to maintain control for however long the plain remained intact.  

Still that will give a valuable information about where the plane was hit - exact timestamp and coordinates. It, along with the ground debris inspection, can also show where what was hit and from which direction the impact came. For a plane that goes at over 700km/h to fall where it did, and presuming it maintained some of its flying capabilities and didn't disintegrate in mid-air, it should have been hit a considerable distance into the Kiev-controlled territory.

Connected a few dots in another thread thought this might be an interesting extension here
Feel free to attack it  or support it ;) (@ Yes this assumes 1 the interfax report was true and then denied later)

According to the unconfirmed source Putin was flying over that air corridor within a half hour of the event on his way back from Brazil and his Latin America tour.
But was redirected to a different military base
http://lifenews.ru/news/136833
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 298, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

LIVE UPDATES:Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.

The ones who benefit the most from this are the Americans who can shift the blame to Putin and put pressure on him to back off in the Ukraine since they missed the lynchpin this may also be why the plane was told to Descend Altitude over that area.
The reason a vast network of underground pipelines connecting the Ukraine to Europe and a battle over who will control them.
http://qz.com/191651/russias-invasion-of-crimea-has-caused-it-to-lose-the-latest-battle-in-the-pipeline-wars/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysia-Airlines-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

"A Boeing Malaysian Airlines that was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur began to descend about 50km before entering Russian airspace, and was subsequently found burning on the ground in Ukraine," an aviation source told Interfax.

Also at the same time intercepted audio by Ukrainian authorities claiming that they had intercepted telephone conversations between separatist rebels and Russian officers that suggested the insurgency was responsible for downing Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on Thursday, killing 298 people on board was released and made public.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/ukraine-intercepted-audio-shows-separatist-rebels-shot-malaysia-airlines-plane/

Better coincidences could not be had here enough to raise a stink at the least.

Addendum:
For almost two decades, the West and Russia have waged a contest for mastery over a vast swath of the Eurasian continent stretching from Central Asia into Europe. The Russian goal has been to dominate the export of oil and especially natural gas across the region. The West, viewing gas as a Russian political instrument, has sought to break Moscow’s hold on the market.

This combined with the fact that Russia China Brazil India and South Africa the BRICS are unifying to create their own bank to replace the IMF is more than enough reason for the USA to target Putin at this time.
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/17317/20140716/brazil-russia-china-india-south-africa-form-independent-development-bank.htm

Brazil, Russia, China, India and South Africa to Form Independent Development Bank and Currency Reserve

The leaders from Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa announced in a joint statement on Tuesday the creation of their own development bank. The announcement was made after a plenary meeting of the five BRICS heads of state in Fortaleza, Brazil.
The New Development Bank will be headquartered in China, with $100 billion in reserve.

In the statement, BRICS leaders said, "Based on sound banking principles, the NDB will strengthen cooperation among our countries and will supplement the efforts of multilateral and regional financial institutions for global development."

Curious how far down the rabbit hole this is or if it seems like a plausible enough theory.

As an aside here is a smoking gun
Why was a shipment of pot in the cargo manifest XD
http://time.com/3004675/malaysia-airlines-ukraine-crash-dogs/

Edit In:
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH17/MH017%20-%20Cargo%20Manifest%201.pdf?&refid=aff-125272-skim66960X1516588X6a9981e6f73cecd1b8d29bbcb3fac759

The shipment of pot is not marijuana; it's actually a shipment of a potentiostat galvanostat for an electrochemistry workstation.
Oh well
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/18/5915321/some-dogs-and-birds-died-on-mh17-too

It is said that airplanes mr. PUTIN and MH17,,intersected in one point, and this point... ABOVE WARSAW. Not above Donetsk, not above Kyiv, not above Hornbeam, and above Warsaw. And difference at times being in this point made 37 minutes. But generally on this point for these 37 minutes it was a few ten of airplanes, because it is an echelon, air-route, and motion идeт on him. Airplanes fly not where want, and on the clearly laid skyways. And, certainly, as do we know, 37 minutes it is an exactly that delay with that rockets work in mid air, yes? What idiot could think of such ridiculous version"?

Assuming we trust one source of information that is
First rule is to trust no independent source but look at the connections between them but fair point that is a large distance away from the Ukraine in Poland so that kills part one still leaves the other parts though keep killing but thanks for attacking it :)

(Feel free to target the wargames part between the USA and Russia or you could deny the theory and focus on the politics between those two states and how they are reacting to each other over this incident)

But one point worth noting is that the plane was told to change skyways and didn't use their standard one.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-navigating-airspace-over-warzones-1.2710775

The Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 catastrophe in Ukraine could have been a tragedy for another international carrier, aviation experts say, noting the doomed jet’s flight plan was the very route that was, until recently, used by several European airlines.

The European Cockpit Association, which represents 38,000 pilots, said Thursday the path taken by the doomed Boeing 777 flying to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam is the "the most common route for flights from Europe to Southeast Asia."

"The flight was diverted … into an area where the conflict was very active," said Ted Lennox, president of LPS AVA Consulting.

"It was mischance, in some respects."

Amid calls for an international investigation, airlines and aviation authorities around the world ordered flight routes to circumvent the region.

"It’s a mistake a lot of people were making, and until now, very few were avoiding," said retired Air Canada and Canadian Air Force veteran Russ Cooper.

"The only ones that were basically opting out [of flying over the region] were the Americans because of the FAA."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdRBaL4-wU