Kiev try to shoot aircraft with mr. Putin?

[bryant.coleman]

The flight data recorder will give information about the co-ordinates from where the missile was fired. Then it will be easier to ascertain who fired the missile (according to the latest regional control map).

[Lethn]

The flight data recorder will give information about the co-ordinates from where the missile was fired. Then it will be easier to ascertain who fired the missile (according to the latest regional control map).

The problem is, this could be just as easily an intelligence agency deliberately firing on the aircraft from a specific region to make things in the Ukraine even worse, it's a bit like Iraq where they faked the nuclear weapons and Iran currently where they are trying to claim they have nuclear weapons and that country doesn't even really have a proper air force.

[Alex077]

A Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -8.89% plane carrying 283 passengers and 15 crew crashed Thursday in the battle-torn east Ukraine region of Donetsk, where U.S. intelligence agencies say it was struck by a ground-to-air missile.

"All roads lead to the Russians to some degree," said a U.S. official.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-over-ukrainian-airspace-1405612373?mod=trending_now_1
Version  about  ,,number  1,, with Putin     examined  not a single  serious source, other versions the more so..!!!

[Nemo1024]

Now pro-russian want to ship it to Russia, but first the plane has not crashed to Russia AFAIK , and this plane is not russian plane ... so why Russia would take it back ?

By the way, here is why it is shipped to Russia:

Earlier the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), a Russia-based international body tasked with investigation of all civil aircraft incidents in most former Soviet republics, including Ukraine, called for the formation of an international investigative group under the aegis of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), a UN body, to investigate the incident.

The IAC said such a group should be handed over MH17 flight recorders, which are currently being recovered in Ukraine’s Donetsk Region.

http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/

[Alex077]

Now pro-russian want to ship it to Russia, but first the plane has not crashed to Russia AFAIK , and this plane is not russian plane ... so why Russia would take it back ?

By the way, here is why it is shipped to Russia:

Earlier the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), a Russia-based international body tasked with investigation of all civil aircraft incidents in most former Soviet republics, including Ukraine, called for the formation of an international investigative group under the aegis of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), a UN body, to investigate the incident.

The IAC said such a group should be handed over MH17 flight recorders, which are currently being recovered in Ukraine’s Donetsk Region.

http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/

Dont say  nothing about  , rt--Russia tooday...It is not bloomberg,WSJ , CNN, BBS....RT---IS NOTHING..!!

[Nemo1024]

Dont say  nothing about  , rt--Russia tooday...It is not bloomberg,WSJ , CNN, BBS....RT---IS NOTHING..!!

I believe we have a mild case of troll infestation here... 

[Swordsoffreedom]

I've heard that Putins plane was in the same air corridor as the Malaysian airliner
Coming from Brazil going back home so it is possible anyone know if this was confirmed true
Or was it a hoax.

[Slab Squathrust]

The flight data recorder will give information about the co-ordinates from where the missile was fired. Then it will be easier to ascertain who fired the missile (according to the latest regional control map).

This is com air.  They do not come equipped with any sort of radar warning receiver.  They cannot detect anti air missile launches.  Some airlines have looked into countermeasures against IR based man portable air defense systems but such a system would be useless against a radio guided SAM.  The best the black boxes will show is a loss of hydraulic pressure caused by the missile explosion and the subsequent futile efforts of the flight crew to maintain control for however long the plain remained intact.  

[Nemo1024]

The flight data recorder will give information about the co-ordinates from where the missile was fired. Then it will be easier to ascertain who fired the missile (according to the latest regional control map).

This is com air.  They do not come equipped with any sort of radar warning receiver.  They cannot detect anti air missile launches.  Some airlines have looked into countermeasures against IR based man portable air defense systems but such a system would be useless against a radio guided SAM.  The best the black boxes will show is a loss of hydraulic pressure caused by the missile explosion and the subsequent futile efforts of the flight crew to maintain control for however long the plain remained intact.  

Still that will give a valuable information about where the plane was hit - exact timestamp and coordinates. It, along with the ground debris inspection, can also show where what was hit and from which direction the impact came. For a plane that goes at over 700km/h to fall where it did, and presuming it maintained some of its flying capabilities and didn't disintegrate in mid-air, it should have been hit a considerable distance into the Kiev-controlled territory.

[freedomno1]

Connected a few dots in another thread thought this might be an interesting extension here
Feel free to attack it  or support it (@ Yes this assumes 1 the interfax report was true and then denied later)

According to the unconfirmed source Putin was flying over that air corridor within a half hour of the event on his way back from Brazil and his Latin America tour.
But was redirected to a different military base
http://lifenews.ru/news/136833
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 298, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.

LIVE UPDATES:Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.

The ones who benefit the most from this are the Americans who can shift the blame to Putin and put pressure on him to back off in the Ukraine since they missed the lynchpin this may also be why the plane was told to Descend Altitude over that area.
The reason a vast network of underground pipelines connecting the Ukraine to Europe and a battle over who will control them.
http://qz.com/191651/russias-invasion-of-crimea-has-caused-it-to-lose-the-latest-battle-in-the-pipeline-wars/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysia-Airlines-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

"A Boeing Malaysian Airlines that was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur began to descend about 50km before entering Russian airspace, and was subsequently found burning on the ground in Ukraine," an aviation source told Interfax.

Also at the same time intercepted audio by Ukrainian authorities claiming that they had intercepted telephone conversations between separatist rebels and Russian officers that suggested the insurgency was responsible for downing Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on Thursday, killing 298 people on board was released and made public.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/ukraine-intercepted-audio-shows-separatist-rebels-shot-malaysia-airlines-plane/

Better coincidences could not be had here enough to raise a stink at the least.

Addendum:
For almost two decades, the West and Russia have waged a contest for mastery over a vast swath of the Eurasian continent stretching from Central Asia into Europe. The Russian goal has been to dominate the export of oil and especially natural gas across the region. The West, viewing gas as a Russian political instrument, has sought to break Moscow’s hold on the market.

This combined with the fact that Russia China Brazil India and South Africa the BRICS are unifying to create their own bank to replace the IMF is more than enough reason for the USA to target Putin at this time.
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/17317/20140716/brazil-russia-china-india-south-africa-form-independent-development-bank.htm

Brazil, Russia, China, India and South Africa to Form Independent Development Bank and Currency Reserve

The leaders from Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa announced in a joint statement on Tuesday the creation of their own development bank. The announcement was made after a plenary meeting of the five BRICS heads of state in Fortaleza, Brazil.
The New Development Bank will be headquartered in China, with $100 billion in reserve.

In the statement, BRICS leaders said, "Based on sound banking principles, the NDB will strengthen cooperation among our countries and will supplement the efforts of multilateral and regional financial institutions for global development."

Curious how far down the rabbit hole this is or if it seems like a plausible enough theory.

As an aside here is a smoking gun
Why was a shipment of pot in the cargo manifest XD
http://time.com/3004675/malaysia-airlines-ukraine-crash-dogs/

Edit In:
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-airlines/mas/PDF/MH17/MH017%20-%20Cargo%20Manifest%201.pdf?&refid=aff-125272-skim66960X1516588X6a9981e6f73cecd1b8d29bbcb3fac759

The shipment of pot is not marijuana; it's actually a shipment of a potentiostat galvanostat for an electrochemistry workstation.
Oh well
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/18/5915321/some-dogs-and-birds-died-on-mh17-too

[Alex077]

It is said that airplanes mr. PUTIN and MH17,,intersected in one point, and this point... ABOVE WARSAW. Not above Donetsk, not above Kyiv, not above Hornbeam, and above Warsaw. And difference at times being in this point made 37 minutes. But generally on this point for these 37 minutes it was a few ten of airplanes, because it is an echelon, air-route, and motion идeт on him. Airplanes fly not where want, and on the clearly laid skyways. And, certainly, as do we know, 37 minutes it is an exactly that delay with that rockets work in mid air, yes? What idiot could think of such ridiculous version"?

[freedomno1]

It is said that airplanes mr. PUTIN and MH17,,intersected in one point, and this point... ABOVE WARSAW. Not above Donetsk, not above Kyiv, not above Hornbeam, and above Warsaw. And difference at times being in this point made 37 minutes. But generally on this point for these 37 minutes it was a few ten of airplanes, because it is an echelon, air-route, and motion идeт on him. Airplanes fly not where want, and on the clearly laid skyways. And, certainly, as do we know, 37 minutes it is an exactly that delay with that rockets work in mid air, yes? What idiot could think of such ridiculous version"?

Assuming we trust one source of information that is
First rule is to trust no independent source but look at the connections between them but fair point that is a large distance away from the Ukraine in Poland so that kills part one still leaves the other parts though keep killing but thanks for attacking it

(Feel free to target the wargames part between the USA and Russia or you could deny the theory and focus on the politics between those two states and how they are reacting to each other over this incident)

But one point worth noting is that the plane was told to change skyways and didn't use their standard one.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-navigating-airspace-over-warzones-1.2710775

The Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 catastrophe in Ukraine could have been a tragedy for another international carrier, aviation experts say, noting the doomed jet’s flight plan was the very route that was, until recently, used by several European airlines.

The European Cockpit Association, which represents 38,000 pilots, said Thursday the path taken by the doomed Boeing 777 flying to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam is the "the most common route for flights from Europe to Southeast Asia."

"The flight was diverted … into an area where the conflict was very active," said Ted Lennox, president of LPS AVA Consulting.

"It was mischance, in some respects."

Amid calls for an international investigation, airlines and aviation authorities around the world ordered flight routes to circumvent the region.

"It’s a mistake a lot of people were making, and until now, very few were avoiding," said retired Air Canada and Canadian Air Force veteran Russ Cooper.

"The only ones that were basically opting out [of flying over the region] were the Americans because of the FAA."

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdRBaL4-wU

[247crypto]