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Title: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 04:08:43 AM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: cbeast on July 28, 2014, 05:03:05 AM
Is birdshot adequate to take down a drone, or would you need buckshot?


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: BayAreaCoins on July 28, 2014, 05:04:07 AM
Is birdshot adequate to take down a drone, or would you need buckshot?

Depends how close it is I guess :P


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: twiifm on July 28, 2014, 05:08:23 AM
Nah carrier pigeon way cooler


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 05:10:45 AM
Is birdshot adequate to take down a drone, or would you need buckshot?

You have to be pretty close.



Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: applesRyummy on July 28, 2014, 05:10:52 AM
This makes zero sense. Bitcoins are sent via the network via the internet the internet can send data anywhere in the world almost instantly. Drones are not near instant.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 05:11:11 AM
Nah carrier pigeon way cooler

Pigeon?  why the hell would you use a pigeon?


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 05:11:56 AM
This makes zero sense. Bitcoins are sent via the network via the internet the internet can send data anywhere in the world almost instantly. Drones are not near instant.

I should have said I meant cash -> BTC  or  BTC -> Cash   basically a flying ATM .


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: BayAreaCoins on July 28, 2014, 05:14:26 AM
Nah carrier pigeon way cooler

Pigeon?  why the hell would you use a pigeon?

Jail or cause it's cool  ;D



Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2014, 05:30:06 AM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....

For some reason I imagined Amazon delivering a drone delivery straight to my house
I imagine all the helium balloons that it hits after passing a carnival and poof goes my Bitcoins lol.

(Basically its over the internet no need for an in-person delivery unless its a physical coin ^_^)


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: allthingsluxury on July 28, 2014, 05:44:58 AM
lol, what?


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Malin Keshar on July 28, 2014, 05:49:38 AM
Just use wireless or 3g, not that fun but cheaper


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: FlowerMatt on July 28, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
I wana turn my hippie van into a mobile BTC ATM


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: joshraban76 on July 28, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
Using something like a drone would work I guess to deliver bit coins however looking at the problems from using such a method as well I feel the way bit coins are being delivered now would be a lot better way than drone delivery. With so many things being shot down from the skies I am sure after a certain amount of time there would be ways to shoot down drones carrying bit coins leaving those who needed the delivery empty handed and others gaining.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: isidore on July 28, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
So.. what's to stop my shooting down drones to collect the cash? That could be a fun game.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: maurya78 on July 28, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
What's the point?
The ecosystem needs to outgrow the gimmicks and engage in substantive dialogue with mainstream folks
Drones to deliver coin ain't it


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: franky1 on July 28, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
drones to deliver a privkey..

seriously.. does the OP think that a bitcoin is a physical coin?

these threads lately are getting filled with childrens dreams of weirdnss, and nothing to do with bitcoin.. can someone please link them to a sci-fi forum to entertain themselves on.

if you cant get out of your basement to simply go to an ATM when they start to spread into every town.. (by the time drones become a standard delivery feature for amazon).. then maybe its time you lookd more at your lifestyle and not weird bitcoin stuff


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: minerpumpkin on July 28, 2014, 12:49:07 PM
This makes zero sense. Bitcoins are sent via the network via the internet the internet can send data anywhere in the world almost instantly. Drones are not near instant.

I should have said I meant cash -> BTC  or  BTC -> Cash   basically a flying ATM .

They would immediately become the target for theft, etc. Who's going to insure such an endeavour? If Amazon can't get the licences, this will fail as well. But it's a nice thing to think about!


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: CasinoBit on July 28, 2014, 01:01:08 PM
Is birdshot adequate to take down a drone, or would you need buckshot?

Wonder for how long you'd have to slave away to pay the owner for his property


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Lauda on July 28, 2014, 01:16:38 PM
This makes zero sense. Bitcoins are sent via the network via the internet the internet can send data anywhere in the world almost instantly. Drones are not near instant.
Via the network?
Not really. Drones could deliver physical Bitcoins to you.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: ajareselde on July 28, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....

It would be the best if bitcoin itself got better and more secure for public audience, than to disscuss useless ways to buy them.
The whole problem with buying bitcoins came from the sole reason of insecurity surrounding it, fix that and noone will try to stop people from buying it then, worldwide.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Hazir on July 28, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
I have heard couple times before of drones delivery. Amazon used to deliver packages via drones at some point. I also heard about some brewery offered beer that way for local anglers. And this business was shouted by government claiming drones disrupt sky order and scare the birds or something... As you see it is hard to deliver something via drone now...


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: R2D221 on July 28, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Nah carrier pigeon way cooler
Pigeon?  why the hell would you use a pigeon?
To implement RFC 1149, obviously.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 06:03:10 PM
I wana turn my hippie van into a mobile BTC ATM

This ^^ or Kiosk. :o


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
Using something like a drone would work I guess to deliver bit coins however looking at the problems from using such a method as well I feel the way bit coins are being delivered now would be a lot better way than drone delivery. With so many things being shot down from the skies I am sure after a certain amount of time there would be ways to shoot down drones carrying bit coins leaving those who needed the delivery empty handed and others gaining.

If it is a two-way thingy with a webcam to see the individual exchanging cash they could just take a baseball bat and knock it down and steal the cash  >:(


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: BayAreaCoins on July 28, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
Using something like a drone would work I guess to deliver bit coins however looking at the problems from using such a method as well I feel the way bit coins are being delivered now would be a lot better way than drone delivery. With so many things being shot down from the skies I am sure after a certain amount of time there would be ways to shoot down drones carrying bit coins leaving those who needed the delivery empty handed and others gaining.

If it is a two-way thingy with a webcam to see the individual exchanging cash they could just take a baseball bat and knock it down and steal the cash  >:(

Or the drone could deliver a paper wallet that is not yet loaded.

Once the drone was away from you assholes the paper wallet would be funded from the "source".

It would be awesome to be having coffee on the roof of some place and have a drone delivery drop me off some coin.... I bet I could convince the Manager to accept it ;)

People would shit. haha!


these threads lately are getting filled with childrens dreams of weirdnss, and nothing to do with bitcoin.. can someone please link them to a sci-fi forum to entertain themselves on.


OP just ignore people like this. Dream your ass off.  ;D


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
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drones to deliver a privkey..

seriously.. does the OP think that a bitcoin is a physical coin?

Where did you get that idea?

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if you cant get out of your basement to simply go to an ATM when they start to spread into every town.. (by the time drones become a standard delivery feature for amazon).. then maybe its time you lookd more at your lifestyle and not weird bitcoin stuff

Just like you said Amazon is on to something with Drones who knows where this will go.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 08:11:57 PM
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Or the drone could deliver a paper wallet that is not yet loaded.

Once the drone was away from you assholes the paper wallet would be funded from the "source".

It would be awesome to be having coffee on the roof of some place and have a drone delivery drop me off some coin.... I bet I could convince the Manager to accept it ;)

People would shit. haha!

Paper Wallet not loaded and then loaded once it has left is a good idea lol .... Drone Delivery on a roof! yes!

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these threads lately are getting filled with childrens dreams of weirdnss, and nothing to do with bitcoin.. can someone please link them to a sci-fi forum to entertain themselves on.

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OP just ignore people like this. Dream your ass off.  ;D

HAHAHA I love dreams! Thanks man for the support! :D


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: BayAreaCoins on July 28, 2014, 08:16:57 PM
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Or the drone could deliver a paper wallet that is not yet loaded.

Once the drone was away from you assholes the paper wallet would be funded from the "source".

It would be awesome to be having coffee on the roof of some place and have a drone delivery drop me off some coin.... I bet I could convince the Manager to accept it ;)

People would shit. haha!

Paper Wallet not loaded and then loaded once it has left is a good idea lol ....

I came up with this one dreaming on how to set up a offshore paper wallet company using churches to pass along paperwallets :P (they are the biggest origination with physical locations all over the world and are protected by a number of laws)

So if someone wanted to make a withdraw you just walk into your local Christian church and get the paper.  Once you are safely away you type in the 2fa code and boom. Bitcoins.  That way the person feels comfortable where he is at to hold BTC and the church has no reason to get robbed (or the drone in this case!)


HAHAHA I love dreams! Thanks man for the support! :D

Of course man!
 
If you are ever interested in selling your porn vid BTC site hit me up please :)


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: bbit on July 28, 2014, 08:28:15 PM
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I came up with this one dreaming on how to set up a offshore paper wallet company using churches to pass along paperwallets :P (they are the biggest origination with physical locations all over the world and are protected by a number of laws)

So if someone wanted to make a withdraw you just walk into your local Christian church and get the paper.  Once you are safely away you type in the 2fa code and boom. Bitcoins.  That way the person feels comfortable where he is at to hold BTC and the church has no reason to get robbed (or the drone in this case!)

Awesome idea!  I agree knocking down the church doors seems a little awkward no doubt.  I still think we'll see some variation of what we are talking about.

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Of course man!
 
If you are ever interested in selling your porn vid BTC site hit me up please :)

Funny, you should say that! Of course I would  ;D  Or, at least try to expand on the idea.

PM me if you want to talk about ...


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: jbreher on July 29, 2014, 05:01:26 AM
To implement RFC 1149, obviously.

I would think that there would tend to be much interchannel interference between A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers and this new scheme. Though with today's drones implementing a typical fanout ratio of 4, perhaps this could be minimized. I suppose we could also build tweet-awareness into the drone routing protocol.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: kingama on July 29, 2014, 05:49:31 AM
These drones would need to be armed since they'll be carrying cash and will be juicy targets.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: TheButterZone on July 29, 2014, 06:20:45 AM
These drones would need to be armed since they'll be carrying cash and will be juicy targets.

Drone should only be sent out empty on a pickup and return to base full flight. There's a number of YouTube videos of quadcopters flying in the middle of fireworks going off. I think they'll be safe at that cruising altitude, and doing VTOL.

Where it gets tricky would be instant payment/instant delivery, if someone wanted a drone to come to them, relay the video of the QR code and the money being deposited in the payload container (without a counterfeit check) to the pilot/seller, and wait for a confirm.

If I were the pilot/seller, I would have the buyer fill out a form with their BTC address and fiat amount they plan to deposit in advance, and send the drone under these conditions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359126.msg3928674#msg3928674). Once the drone returns back to base, the money would be counterfeit checked, and the BTC sent.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: ljudotina on July 29, 2014, 06:57:04 AM
What i would do i get myself a harpoon (only propeer way to shoot down and capture transport drone imho), and wait for em to get closer to ground. Bam! My drone! My loot!  ;D I can see it happe with Amazon drones too.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: oceans on August 07, 2014, 04:14:45 PM
Drones could work but then you have to look at all the negatives like could they be shot down and the delivery not make it to the person it is intended for. I personally would not like to have my bitcoins delivered by drone even if I knew it would be quicker.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Magicman420 on August 07, 2014, 04:22:21 PM
Just got a pizza delivered by a drone..

Joking but I heard of it lol


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: oceans on August 07, 2014, 04:27:51 PM
Just got a pizza delivered by a drone..

Joking but I heard of it lol

:D Yes I have heard of this also :) I think that because companies such as Amazon are considering using drones to deliver packages to people not people think drones can be used for anything. Difference is pizza and packages are not always that valuable meaning they are less likely to be shot down.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: keithers on August 07, 2014, 04:40:49 PM
There would be more theft than there already is now.   Would need to disguise it so that people thought it was something else that was being delivered.   That would be the equivalent of cash floating in the air and expecting people not to grab it...


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: TheButterZone on August 07, 2014, 06:17:54 PM
If drones can hover in the middle of fireworks displays (see Youtube) and not get taken down, good bloody luck shooting one in cruising mode.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 07, 2014, 09:27:38 PM
If drones can hover in the middle of fireworks displays (see Youtube) and not get taken down, good bloody luck shooting one in cruising mode.

I think there was a movie where the house has a rocket and shot it at a drone
Return to sender Asta La Vista Baby

Anyways I guess drone mail is convenient for many things lol, delivering your drugs from up high in the sky, or the new definition of a roofie lol.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: jjc326 on August 07, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....

No.  Look I'm middle of the road politically but it's NOT good if we have drones flying around all over the place.  Say goodbye to privacy and peace if that happens, which it looks like might eventually happen.  I mean they'll sell it as "wow look you can have Amazon deliver things to you so fast!"  But then yeah the gov. can spy on you so fast too...


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: counter on August 07, 2014, 09:41:41 PM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....

No.  Look I'm middle of the road politically but it's NOT good if we have drones flying around all over the place.  Say goodbye to privacy and peace if that happens, which it looks like might eventually happen.  I mean they'll sell it as "wow look you can have Amazon deliver things to you so fast!"  But then yeah the gov. can spy on you so fast too...

My thoughts exactly.  If your willing to give up more of your privacy for some kind of ease of use delivery system then you probably don't fully understand Bitcoin generally speaking.  I hate to say it but I can see that happening at some point to the more trendy crowd or when Crypto becomes very mainstream.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: TheButterZone on August 07, 2014, 10:12:13 PM
If drones can hover in the middle of fireworks displays (see Youtube) and not get taken down, good bloody luck shooting one in cruising mode.

I think there was a movie where the house has a rocket and shot it at a drone
Return to sender Asta La Vista Baby

Key word: movie. Thermal signature of small payload delivery drones goes into the undetectable range for infrared homing, with altitude. Sure, you may be able to hit them at lower altitudes, if you don't mind a shrapnel shower and possibly setting houses on fire...


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Omikifuse on August 07, 2014, 10:33:14 PM
Hummm what nonsense I just read?


Bitcoin is not a physical thing like gold or drugs that need to be delivered by physical means.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: ShameOnYou on August 07, 2014, 11:01:37 PM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....

No.  Look I'm middle of the road politically but it's NOT good if we have drones flying around all over the place.  Say goodbye to privacy and peace if that happens, which it looks like might eventually happen.  I mean they'll sell it as "wow look you can have Amazon deliver things to you so fast!"  But then yeah the gov. can spy on you so fast too...
I agree that privacy would be dramatically negatively impacted when drones start flying all over the US (not that privacy levels are not already a problem).

I also don't see this being very realistic. I would think the OP's setup would likely be very expensive so users would need to pay a large premium over market rates. Another issue is that you would need to trust each drone with your cash/bitcoin. You would not have many ways to verify that the drone would actually give you cash or send you bitcoin and could trick you into giving it money and would just fly away.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 08, 2014, 10:05:09 AM
Wouldn't it be better if a Drone could deliver you Bitcoins or  two-way cash for Bitcoins.  Could be like a flying exchange ATM ...lol.....

No.  Look I'm middle of the road politically but it's NOT good if we have drones flying around all over the place.  Say goodbye to privacy and peace if that happens, which it looks like might eventually happen.  I mean they'll sell it as "wow look you can have Amazon deliver things to you so fast!"  But then yeah the gov. can spy on you so fast too...

My thoughts exactly.  If your willing to give up more of your privacy for some kind of ease of use delivery system then you probably don't fully understand Bitcoin generally speaking.  I hate to say it but I can see that happening at some point to the more trendy crowd or when Crypto becomes very mainstream.

True its not going to be that difficult to XFER a droid with remote communication to observe people
Just transfer the control to X user or hack its signal hehe in front of Homeland Security lol 9/11 more like Drone Army invades the White House after all its all RFID dependent.
http://rt.com/usa/texas-professor-drone-hacking-249/

In an interview with RT America this week, Todd Humphreys of the University of Texas at Austin’s Radionavigation Laboratory reveals that it only took a few researchers, around $1,000 in parts and some seriously smart software to send signals to an unmanned aerial vehicle’s GPS receiver, hijack the craft in mid-air and then have it do the department’s bidding — all right in front of Homeland Security agents.

“The navigations systems of these drones have a variety of sensors,” explains Humphreys, “…but at the very bottom is a GPS unit — and most of these drones that will be used in the civilian airspace have a civilian GPS unit which is wide open and vulnerable to this kind of attack. So if you can commander the GPS unit, then you can basically spoon feed false navigation information to the navigation center of these drones.”

By compiling several years’ worth of research into custom-made software, Humphreys was able to do exactly that recently — and right before the DHS. By 2020, the Federal Aviation Administration expects to have as many as 30,000 drones flying over the United States. According to Humphreys, though, the FAA might want to make a few changes before they roll out a domestic UAV for local law enforcement agencies to use.

“I’m a big proponent of bringing in drones to the national airspace. They are going to come and we might as well expect it. The question is, how can we bring them in reliably?” he asks. “And right now the dangers of bringing them in, before addressing this problem, is that someone on the ground could hack the drones and turn them into their own device, making them go to a different place or along a different path. So it could cause loss of life, it could cause collisions. But I hope that we can address the problem long before that happens.”


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: TheTruth4 on August 08, 2014, 10:48:59 AM
You're smoking the good stuff, aren't you?


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: unexecuted on August 08, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
You're smoking the good stuff, aren't you?

Don't be jerk. That's a good idea.


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: Quintessence on August 08, 2014, 11:39:22 AM
umm...why? do you rally think that we need it? ridiculous


Title: Re: Drones to Deliver Bitcoins
Post by: counter on August 09, 2014, 01:47:04 AM
...
well, it sounds better than bombs

Don't think it's that simple.  Drones can be equipped with bombs just as easy and once people get used them being around it won't be easy getting rid of them.  I'm more just bothered by the idea of roaming camera's in the sky at this point however.